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- ==Phrack Magazine==
-
- Volume Four, Issue Forty-Three, File 18 of 27
-
- The LOD Communications Underground H/P BBS Message Base Project:
- Price Listing of Currently Available Message Bases and Order Form.
- Holdings List Version #1, 5/15/93
-
-
- This file contains:
-
- - Background information on the project;
- - Currently completed message bases with prices; and,
- - Order form and stipulations.
-
- If you have already seen some of the background information contained in the
- following paragraphs, note that additional information has been added. The aim
- was to make this file as self-contained as possible. It is approximately seven
- pages in length (23K) and it should answer all of your questions.
-
-
- The Project:
- ------------
-
- Throughout history, physical objects have been preserved for posterity for
- the benefit of the next generation of humans. Cyberspace, however, isn't very
- physical; data contained on floppy diskettes has a finite lifetime as does the
- technology to retrieve that data. The earliest underground hacker bulletin
- board systems operated at a time when TRS-80s, Commodore 64s, and Apple ][s
- were state-of-the-art. Today, it is difficult to find anyone who has one of
- these machines in operating condition, not to mention the brain cells left to
- recall how to operate them. :-(
-
- LOD Communications has created a historical library of the "dark" portion of
- Cyberspace. The project's goal is to acquire as much information as possible
- from underground Hack/Phreak (H/P) bulletin boards that were in operation
- during a decade long period, dating from the beginnings (in 1980/81 with 8BBS
- and MOM: Modem Over Manhattan) to the legendary OSUNY, Plover-NET, Legion of
- Doom!, Metal Shop, etc. up through the Phoenix Project circa 1989/90.
- Currently, messages from over 50 different BBSes have been retrieved, although
- very few message bases are 100% complete. However, not having a complete "set"
- does not diminish their value.
-
-
- Who Benefits From This Information?:
- ------------------------------------
-
- - PARTICIPANTS who were on the various H/P BBSes may want to see their
- contribution to history or reminisce about the "golden era" of hacking;
-
- - ENTHUSIASTS who came into the "scene" after most of these boards were
- down may want to see what they missed;
-
- - COMPANIES who may want to see if their (or their competitors') phone
- systems, computers, or networks were compromised;
-
- - SECURITY PROFESSIONALS/LAW ENFORCEMENT who may want to see what
- techniques were used to subvert computer security systems;
-
- - SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES (including their libraries) who may want to use
- the information for research in sociology or computer science as well as
- for educational purposes in courses such as Computer Law, Computer
- Ethics, and Computer Security;
-
- - AUTHORS/PRESS who may want to finally get the facts straight about
- "hackers;" and,
-
- - THE CURIOUS PUBLIC who may want to sneak a peek into the inner realm of
- the Computer Underground, especially those Restricted Access BBSes and
- their Private sub-boards where only a small handful of "the best"
- resided.
-
- Were the individuals involved in the Computer Underground out to start World
- War III, selling secrets to the Soviets, working with organized crime,
- conspiring to do evil, or just a bunch of bored teenagers with nothing better
- to do? How much did they know, and how did they find it out? Did they have
- the capability to shut down phone service of Area Code portions? Could
- they ruin someone's credit? Could they "move satellites in the heavens?"
- Could they monitor packet switching network conversations or YOUR
- conversations? The answers lie within the messages themselves.
-
-
- Why is LODCOM Charging Money For The Message Bases?:
- ----------------------------------------------------
-
- As happens with most projects, the effort and monetary investment turned out
- to be substantially more than originally anticipated. With all of the high-
- tech equipment available today, people sometimes forget that in the early
- 1980s, 14.4K baud modems and 250 MB hard drives were just a fantasy for the
- home computer user. Most messages Lodcom has recovered were downloaded at 300
- baud onto 143K disk drives, with each file usually no larger than 15K in size.
- One could not call a BBS and download the complete message base in 10 minutes
- and save it into one file. Literally hundreds of man-hours have been spent
- copying dusty Apple ][ disks, transferring them to IBM (or typing in hard copy
- versions when electronic versions were unavailable), organizing over one
- thousand individual files (thus far) according to what BBS the messages were
- originally posted on, and splicing the files together. Also, after consulting
- with the appropriate civil liberties organizations and our own legal counsel,
- a slight editing of the messages (restricted to long distance access codes,
- phone numbers, and computer passwords) had to be made to ensure that there is
- nothing illegal contained within the messages. Every effort was made to keep
- the messages in their pristine condition: 40 columns, ALL CAPS, spelling
- errors, offensive language, inaccuracies of various kinds, and ALL.
-
- Although a fairly comprehensive collection of the goings-on during a decade
- of public and private computer underground activity has been accomplished,
- there are more messages out there. It is our wish to continue to document the
- History of the Computer Underground. In order to do this, and in order to
- break even on what resources have already been expended (it is a LOT more than
- most people realize), a dollar value has been attached to each set of message
- bases. The dollar values were kept as low as possible and range from $1.00 to
- $8.00 for each H/P BBS Message Base Set. Without your understanding and
- support, this effort may not be able to sustain itself long enough to complete
- the project. A large portion of any profits will be recycled for two other
- projects in the works, whose aim is to provide additional historical background
- on the Computer Underground Community. That is, no one involved is quitting
- their day job :-)
-
- One additional note: For those who purchase the Metal Shop Private Message
- Base, 100% of the price ($4.00) will be donated to help pay for Craig Neidorf's
- (Knight Lightning) Legal Defense bills (due to his successful campaign to
- protect First Amendment rights for electronic publishing, i.e. the PHRACK/E911
- case).
-
-
- How The Prices Were Determined:
- -------------------------------
-
- Prices were determined based on the following considerations:
-
- - The number of years ago that the BBS operated (affected availability);
-
- - The total number of messages compiled (required more time to compile);
-
- - Its popularity and message content (anticipated demand);
-
- - Whether the BBS or portions thereof were deemed "elite" and, therefore,
- restricted access to a small number of users (affected availability);
- and,
-
- - An additional factor to account for overhead costs such as diskettes,
- diskette mailing containers, postage, time to fill orders, etc.
-
-
- What Each "Message Base File" Contains:
- ---------------------------------------
-
- - A two page general message explaining H/P BBS terminology and format.
-
- - The BBS Pro-Phile: A historical background and description of the BBS
- either written by the original system operator(s) or those who actually
- called the BBS when it was in operation (it took months to track the
- appropriate people down and get them to write these specifically for
- this project; lesser known BBSes may not contain a Pro-Phile);
-
- - Messages posted to the BBS (i.e. the Message Base);
-
- - Downloaded Userlists if available; and
-
- - Hacking tutorials a.k.a. "G-Philes" that were on-line if available.
-
-
- It is anticipated that most people who are interested in the message bases
- have never heard of a lot of the BBS names shown in the listing. If you have
- seen one set of messages, you have NOT seen them ALL. Each system had a unique
- personality, set of users, and each has something different to offer. If you
- decide to order the minimum, we recommend that you mix a high-priced base
- ($7.00 or above) with a couple of medium-priced bases ($4.00 to $6.00) and a
- few lower-priced bases ($1.00 to $3.00). This will provide you with a feel for
- what was happening over a broad range of years and message quality. Of course,
- nothing beats the full set (offered at a discount, see order form).
-
- Formats the Message Base Files are Available in:
- ------------------------------------------------
-
- Due to the large size of the Message Base Files, they will be compressed
- using the format of your choice. Please note that Lodcom does NOT include the
- compression/decompression program (PKZIP, PAK, etc.). ASCII (decompressed)
- files will be provided for $2.00 extra to cover additional diskette and
- shipping costs. The files are available for:
-
- - IBM (5.25 or 3.5 inch)
- - AMIGA (3.5 inch)
- - APPLE MACINTOSH (3.5 inch)
- - PAPER versions can be ordered but cost triple (due to increased shipping
- costs, time to print order, and messages being in 40 column format and
- therefore wasting lots of paper...save those trees!). Paper versions
- take twice the time to deliver but are laser printed.
-
- Orders are expected to arrive at the requesters' physical mail box in 2-4
- weeks upon receipt of the order.
-
-
- FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions):
- ----------------------------------
-
- QUESTION: How long will these Message Base Files be available?
-
- ANSWER: We cannot say for sure. This is an ongoing effort and your support
- will allow us to continue until we are satisfied with having
- recovered the last decent scraps of messages out there. Assuming
- there is a demand for these messages, all H/P BBSes of WORTH (i.e.
- NON-"codez" and NON-"warez" systems) are expected to be offered by
- the end of the Summer of 1993. A Guesstimate of what will be
- offered is 80 to 100 Message Bases, half of which will be rather
- partial. Orders are expected to be filled up until the end of 1993
- although this may change. Regardless, we will send out
- notification well in advance of ceasing operations.
-
- QUESTION: "Can I help out? I have some old messages" (either on a C64,
- Apple, IBM [best for us], or printout).
-
- ANSWER: Contact us ASAP! We will work out an equitable agreement depending
- on the quantity, quality, format, and "ancientness" of the
- messages. Your contribution will not go unrecognized.
-
- QUESTION: Say if I purchase BBS "X" which has 100 messages and the next
- Version of your Price Listing shows BBS "X" now has 200 messages,
- do I have to pay the for the first 100 all over again if I want
- the other 100 messages?
-
- ANSWER: No. If a small number of additional messages are added, they will
- be sent for the price of a diskette and postage only, i.e. the
- information will be free. If a larger number such as 100 new
- messages are added, then if you previously purchased the message
- base, the additional messages will be discounted. Those who pay
- the Commercial Rate (corporations, government, etc.) will receive
- updates of the purchased Volume for FREE regardless of how many new
- messages there are, and LODCOM also pays for the postage and
- diskette(s).
-
- QUESTION: What if I purchase the minimum order now and, when the next
- Version of the price list is released, I want to get more Message
- Bases? Do I have to still pay the $20.00 minimum?
-
- ANSWER: No. If you are a previous customer, the minimum is cut in half,
- that is, $10.00. Commercial customers who bought Volume #1 (the
- current "Complete Set"), are obviously not obligated to purchase
- the added Message Bases (the next Volume).
-
- QUESTION: I would really like to get a feel for what one or two of the
- boards were like before I order them. Can I get more info?
-
- ANSWER: Yes. A Sample of Actual Messages is available by performing the
- following, so long as you have TELNET access to the Internet:
-
- Telnet to: 198.67.3.2 [IP Address for PHANTOM.COM]
- Type: mindvox [To enter the Mindvox system]
- login as: guest [To look around]
- At prompt: finger lodcom [To see our Sample Messages File]
-
- If you do not have TELNET access to the Internet, AND your host will NOT
- "bounce" a 50K file, Lodcom will send you the Sample Messages File if you
- specifically request it.
-
-
- The Price List:
- ---------------
-
- LOD Communications (c) 1993: Price List of Hack/Phreak BBS Message Bases
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- BBS NAME A/C SYSOP(S) # MSGS DATES KBYTES PRICE
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Alliance BBS 618 Phantom Phreaker 113 2/09/86 - 215 $ 3.00 B
- Doom Prophet G,P 6/30/86
-
- Black Ice Private 703 The Highwayman 880 12/1/88 - 580 $ 7.00 B
- P,U 5/13/89
-
- Broadway Show/ 718 Broadway Hacker 180 9/29/85 - 99 $ 3.00 B
- Radio Station BBS 12/27/85
-
- CIA BBS 201 CIA Director 30 5/02/84 - 30 $ 1.00
- 6/08/84
-
- C.O.P.S. 305 Mr. Byte-Zap 227 11/5/83 - 196 $ 4.00 B
- The Mechanic G,R,U 7/16/84
-
- Face To Face 713 Montressor 572 11/26/90 - 400 $ 2.00 B
- Doc Holiday * 12/26/90
-
- Farmers Of Doom 303 Mark Tabas 41 2/20/85 - 124 $ 2.00 B
- G 3/01/85
-
- Forgotten Realm 618 Crimson Death 166 3/08/88 - 163 $ 3.00 B
- 4/24/88
-
- Legion Of Doom! 305 Lex Luthor 194 3/19/84 - 283 $ 6.00 B
- Paul Muad'Dib * G,P,U 11/24/84
-
- Metal Shop Private 314 Taran King 520 4/03/86 - 380 $ 4.00 BD
- Knight Lightning P,R,U 5/06/87
-
- OSUNY 914 Tom Tone 375 7/9/82 - 368 $ 8.00 B
- Milo Phonbil * G,U 4/9/83
-
- Phoenix Project 512 The Mentor 1118 7/13/88 - 590 $ 4.00 B
- Erik Bloodaxe * G,R 2/07/90
-
- Plover-NET 516 Quasi Moto 346 1/14/84 - 311 $ 5.00 B
- Lex Luthor * G 5/04/84
-
- Safehouse 612 Apple Bandit 269 9/15/83 - 251 $ 4.00 B
- G,U 5/17/84
-
- Sherwood Forest I 212 Magnetic Surfer 92 5/01/84 - 85 $ 2.00 B
- P,U 5/30/84
-
- Sherwood Forest ][ 914 Creative Cracker 100 4/06/84 - 239 $ 3.00 B
- Bioc Agent 003 * G 7/02/84
-
- Split Infinity 408 Blue Adept 52 12/21/83 - 36 $ 1.00 B
- 1/21/84
-
- Twilight Phone ??? System Lord 17 9/21/82 - 24 $ 1.00
- 1/09/83
-
- Twilight Zone/ 203 The Marauder 108 2/06/85 - 186 $ 3.00 B
- Septic Tank Safe Cracker * G,U 7/24/86
-
- WOPR 617 Terminal Man 307 5/15/84 - 266 $ 6.00 B
- The Minute Man * G,U 1/12/85
- _____________________________________________________________________________
-
- NOTES: In SYSOP(S) column, * indicates remote sysop.
-
- In #msgs column, P indicates that the BBS was Private, R indicates BBS
- was public but restricted access sub-board(s) are included, G indicates
- that SOME (or maybe all) of the G-files written by the sysop and/or
- files that were available on the BBS are included, U indicates that a
- BBS Userlist (typically undated) is included.
-
- DATES column shows the starting and ending dates for which messages
- were buffered (and therefore available) although there may be some gaps
- in the chronological order.
-
- KBYTES column shows size of complete file containing messages, g-files,
- userlist, etc. COST column indicates current cost of message base in
- U.S. Dollars, "B" indicates that a "BBS Pro-Phile" was written and is
- included, "D" indicates that 100% of all orders for that BBS (Metal
- Shop Private) will be donated to help pay for Craig Neidorf's (Knight
- Lightning) Legal Defense bills.
-
- LODCOM is currently organizing and splicing messages from over 30 more H/P
- BBSes [shown below] and, as the files are completed and/or as additional
- messages are procured for the above systems, updates of this listing will be
- released. Next release is expected some time in JUNE of 1993: Modem Over
- Manhattan (MOM), 8BBS (213), Mines of Moria (713), Pirates Cove (516) sysop:
- BlackBeard, Catch-22 (617) sysop: Silver Spy, Phreak Klass 2600 (806) sysop:
- The Egyptian Lover, Blottoland (216) sysop: King Blotto, Osuny 2 (a.k.a. The
- Crystal Palace) (914), The Hearing Aid, Split Infinity (408), (303) sysop: The
- ShadowMaster, ShadowSpawn (219) sysop: Psychic Warlord, IROC (817) sysop: The
- Silver Sabre, FreeWorld II (301) sysop: Major Havoc, Planet Earth, Ripco (312)
- sysop: Dr. Ripco, Hackers Heaven (217) sysop: Jedi Warrior, Demon Roach
- Underground (806) sysop: Swamp Ratte, Stronghold East Elite (516) sysop: Slave
- Driver, Pure Nihilism, 5th Amendment (713) sysop: Micron, Newsweek Elite (617)
- sysop: Micro Man, Lunatic Labs (415) sysop: The Mad Alchemist, Laser Beam
- (314), Hackers Den (718) sysop: Red Knight, The Freezer (305) sysop: Mr. Cool,
- The Boca Harbour (305) sysop: Boca Bandit, The Armoury (201) sysop: The Mace,
- Digital Logic's Data Center (305) sysop: Digital Logic, Asgard (201), The KGB,
- Planet Earth (714), PBS (702), Lost City of Atlantis sysop: The Lineman, and
- more.
-
-
- Hacking/Phreaking Tutorials a.k.a. "G-Philes":
- ----------------------------------------------
-
- Along with the above H/P BBS Message Bases, LODCOM has collected many of the
- old "philes" that were written and disseminated over the years. A list of all
- of them would take up too much space here, however, we can tell you that the
- majority are NOT files that were originally written for electronic newsletters
- such as Phrack, PHUN, ATI, etc. (with the perhaps obvious exception of the
- LOD/H Technical Journal). Those files/newsletters are readily available from
- other sources. This hodgepodge of files includes files from Bioc Agent 003,
- Legion of Doom members, and many others that somehow fell out of widespread
- circulation. A Table of Contents of the collection is included but the
- tutorials are all grouped together in four large files of approximately 250K
- each. This collection will have additions with each update of this file. See
- the order form for the price (price will go up as more files are added).
-
-
- The Order Form:
- ---------------
-
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - C U T - H E R E - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
-
- LOD Communications H/P BBS Message Base ORDER FORM
- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-
- PERSONAL RATE: Due to the economics involved in diskettes, disk mailing
- containers, snail mail costs, and time to fill orders, a MINIMUM ORDER of
- $20.00 is required for all personal requests. If all 20 message bases are
- ordered (containing 5700+ messages), the cost is discounted to $39.00; if you
- order $20.00 worth (the minimum) or more, you get $5.00 worth in addition as a
- discount. That is, pay for $20.00 and get $25.00 worth of message bases.
-
- COMMERCIAL RATE: Corporations, Universities, Libraries, and Government
- Agencies must order the complete set (Volume #1) and pay a higher rate. For
- Price Listing Version #1 Released 5/15/93 (20 boards total), the price is
- $99.00 (note that new messages that surface for any BBS purchased will be sent
- completely FREE of ANY additional charge).
-
- H/P BBS Names: ____________________________________________________________
-
- [Write: COMPLETE ____________________________________________________________
- SET if you want
- all messages] ____________________________________________________________
-
-
- "G-Phile" Collection Version #1 (Optional): $____________ ($10.00 Personal)
- ($25.00 Commercial)
-
- Disk Format/Type of Computer: _____________________________________
- (Please be sure to specify diskette size [5.25" or 3.5"] and high/low density)
-
- File Archive Method (.ZIP [preferred], .ARJ, .LHZ, .Z, .TAR) ____________
- (ASCII [Non-Compressed] add $2.00 to order)
-
- Texas Residents add 8% Sales Tax.
- If outside North America please add $5.00 for Shipping & Handling.
-
- Total Amount (In U.S. Dollars): $ ___________
-
- Payment Method: Check or Money Order please.
- Absolutely NO Credit Cards, even if it's yours :-)
-
- By purchasing these works, the Purchaser agrees to abide by all applicable U.S.
- Copyright Laws to not distribute or reproduce, electronically or otherwise, in
- part or in whole, any part of the Work(s) without express written permission
- from LOD Communications.
-
- Send To:
- Name: _____________________________________
-
- Organization: _____________________________________ (If applicable)
-
- Street: _____________________________________
-
- City/State/Zip: _____________________________________
-
- Country: _____________________________________
-
- E-mail address: _____________________________________ (If applicable)
-
-
- PRIVACY NOTICE: The information provided to LOD Communications is used for
- sending orders and periodic updates to the H/P BBS Message Base Price List.
- It will NOT be given or sold to any other party. Period.
-
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - C U T - H E R E - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
-
- Remit To: LOD Communications
- 603 W. 13th
- Suite 1A-278
- Austin, Texas USA 78701
-
- Lodcom can also be contacted via E-mail: lodcom@mindvox.phantom.com
- Voice Mail: 512-448-5098
- _____________________________________________________________________________
- End Order File V.1
-
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-
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- 603 W. 13th
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