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- K N I G H T L I N E
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- Issue 03/Part III of III
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- 17th of November, 1990
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- Written, compiled,
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- and edited by Doc Holiday
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- What is this? Information Society's new album is called "HACK"? Just
- what do these guys know about hacking? How did they come up with the album
- title? Why are they taking such an interest in the Computer Underground?
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- Knightline got the chance to ask Kurt Valaquen of InSoc about the new
- album and his involvement with the CU.
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- RINGing New York .. .
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- KV: Hello
- Me: Kurt?
- KV: Yes, Doc ?
- Me: Yea, you ready for the interview?
- KV: Sure, shoot.
- Me: Okay, this is DH with Phrack Classic--
- TC: This is the Conflict
- PH: And this is Pain Hertz
- KV: I uh, hope you ask me what my hacker handle is..
- Me: Ok, what's your handle?
- KV: Because I believe that I have one of the coolest hacker's handles that I've
- ever heard.
- TC: uhh
- Me: What is it?
- KV: TRAPPED VECTOR.
- Me: "Trapped Vector" ?
- KV: yep
- Me: How did you come up with that?
- KV: What? You don't recognize it ?
- Me: haha
- KV: What.. . and you guys call yourselves hackers?
- Me: ah
- KV: My god. . you guys must be so young that you've never had to deal with
- assembly language.
- Me: Who would want to-- It was a sarcastic question..
- Me: Now, Kurt..
- KV: Trapped Vector is a term from deep deep down in the functioning's of a CPU.
- Me: Right.
- Me: Uh, uh What kind of involvement, if any, have you had in the
- telecommunications field?
- KV: In telecommunications what?
- Me: In the telecommunications field.
- KV: Uhh.. I majored in computer science at the University of Minnesota.. . Just
- long enough to get interested and not long enough to get a degree.
- Me: ah. So you didn't graduate?
- KV: No. After my 5th year I finally gave up and went to Vienna.
- Me: Uhh. Let's get into the new album .. uh now, what was the inspiration for
- involving the "hacking" theme in your new album?
- KV: Umm, well, it's not like we were inspired to do it -- and we sat around all
- day and said "Hey, let's like put this hacker's moltese into it." -- it's
- more like we just left all that stuff out on our first album because we
- were trying to .. uh.. to not make any waves, since it was our first album.
- And now were cocky and think we can do whatever we want. So we just did
- whatever we wanted. And whenever we do whatever we want, some of that
- stuff inevitably creeps in because .. were into it.
- Me: uhh.. have you been following all of the recent hacking busts that have
- plagued the country this year .. ?
- KV: Hacking "buzz" that has plaged.. .
- Me: BUSTS.. yea hacking busts..
- KV: Oh, I haven't been following it, but I've been hearing a little bit about
- it from my friends..
- Me: Yea, because your album comming out titled "HACK" really does tie in
- with this time period of hackers getting alot of press..
- KV: Yea
- Me: And I just thought that could have been one of the inspirations.. .
- KV: Well, actually, believe it or not, we don't really know what it means to
- title an album "HACK". We have a list of about nine different
- interpretations that we thought we could leave open and anyone else could
- decide which is the real one and strangley (Gruhm) the computer hacker
- concept is pretty far down on our list. The first one we always think of
- is uh.. the hack versus .. uh.. respected professional-- meaning-- like,
- you know, their just hack, he's just a hack writer.. .
- Me: Right.
- KV: Their just hack musicians-- because uh, I guess we wanted to be
- self-deprecating in a sarcastic and easily marketable way.
- Me: Yea..
- Me: What about your personal involvement in the Computer Underground? Is there
- one? With hackers?
- KV: Well, umm.. if I were not being a "pop tart" (which is our personal lingo
- for rock star) I would probably be trying to make my money off of
- programming.
- Me: Aaah!
- KV: Ummm, however.. that's not the case.. I am trying to be a "pop tart" so my
- involvement is more limited that I would like it to be. I mean I do all my
- work on IBM.. When I'm composing..
- Me: Hm, Kurt, what are your thoughts and attitudes toward hackers and hacking?
- KV: Umm, this is my thoughts and attitudes towards it: I am somebody who --
- always. . always -- like when I had that telephone job, I just was, I
- hardly did any work. I just spent the whole time trying to come up with
- tricky things to do you know. Like I'd screw up other people's phone calls
- and stuff and so like I'm way into it. And I understand why people want to
- do it. BUT, I always kinda, knew that I just .. . shouldn't. Just because
- it's stupid.. It was childish. And, I just wish that hackers could come up
- with something better to do than get things without paying for them.
- PH: Like something more productive?
- KV: Yea, like .. uh.. umm, crash some sort of umm, killing organization's
- computer system.
- Me: Have you always had these thoughts or..just because of your popularity?
- KV: Umm, I've had this attitude as I got older, because .. um, I'm just
- becomming really bored with people devoting all this intelligence and
- motivation into like avoiding paying their phone bill.
- TC: Well, actually, that's getting away from the hacker as such. Because alot
- of hackers are really into systems more than their into .. you know, toll
- fraud.
- KV: Well I sure hope so..
- TC: Yea, I mean..
- KV: My Idea of great hacking is gathering information that other people are
- wronmgfully trying to withhold.
- TC: Right.
- KV: But, most hacking to me seems to be petty ways of getting things without
- paying for them.. and that is just silly.
- Me: That is the "90's hackers" Kurt.
- PH: Yea, it's moving that way alot..
- Me: It's in that direction.
- Me: Tell us about the telephone job you mentioned?
- KV: Well, I worked at a market research place. You all know what that is-- you
- call up and say, "Hello, my name is Kurt and Im calling for marketing
- incentives incorporated, and we are conducting a survey in your area
- tonight... about toothpaste!"
- PH: Hah
- TC: ahha
- Me: Bahaha
- KV: "And I would like to know if I could ask you a few questions?" .. "What! I
- don't wanna buy no toothpaste!" .. "No we were just going to ask a few
- questions.." -- Ewwwwph..
- KV: Like... you would try to come up with ways to not make the phone calls
- because it was so painful to do.
- TC: heh
- KV: The best thing was when I umm. . this was a time when I didn't know much
- about telephones.. or how they really worked.. umm. . but I managed to run
- a little thing-- wires with alligator clips --uhh, from the phone that I
- was at to the central switcher. And uhh, whenever I like got up to goto
- the bathroom, or something, I'd go in there, and by connecting and shorting
- the two wires out I'd break up someone's phone call.
- PH: ha
- KV: You know, but after a while, I thought to myself, WHY? I wish I could have
- pulled something more creative like umm.. . installing a uhh.. a pitch
- transposer on the outgoing signals, so that the people on the other end of
- the phone would hear, "AND NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU: HOW DO YOU FEEL
- ABOUT COLEGATE?"
- Me: Bahaha
- TC: ahha
- PH: heh!
- KV: That would have been funny-- aha.
- KV: But, I never did that..
- Me: Hmm, Do you know any other bands that are involved or interested in the
- computer underground?
- KV: No, I don't know that there are any-- most uh musicians are either
- anti-tech or if they are into tech they arnt into it enough-- or they arn't
- into it for it's own sake. Like, like hackers.
- Me: Did you guys have any problems with the title of your new album?
- KV: Like what do you mean?
- Me: Well, do you find that most of your fans think you guys are into the
- "hacking scene" because of the title?
- KV: They can think of it anyway they want-- it a bunch of different meanings.
- KV: Like uh, one member of the band thinks of it refering to him being a cook
- and he likes to cut up meat.
- Me: Hah
- TC: heh
- TC: What about like on the 12" with the "BlueBox 2600" mix and the
- "Phone Phreakers" mix?
- KV: What about it?
- TC: Yea.. uh
- KV: And the Virtual Reality mix?
- TC: Yea, has that uh.. have you heard anything about that?
- KV: Umm, no people in large just don't notice. I mean when your a hacker, I
- mean you kind of forget how little people know. But it's unbelieveable how
- much people don't know. And I'm sure one person in a thousand thinks that
- those are anything other than, "Oh another wacky mix name!"
- Me: Baha
- KV: Most mix names are just inside jokes-- so most people don't bother trying
- to understand them.
- TC: Right.
- KV: Umm, basically the only thing that has happened is that people have umm..
- really responded to the concept of uhh.. us trying to tie into computer
- hacking-- way more than we were really trying to. We just wanted it to be
- a reference. And the people around us are kinda pushing us into it being a
- theme. Were not really prepared for that. Because, while were into it, of
- the three of us, Im the only one who can hold down a conversation about
- tech. And even I have to move over and admit that I am not ane expert
- hacker. I just dont know enough. Like.. Uh.. I know what an FAT is, but
- I wouldn't know how to rewrite it.
- TC: Well, that's another thing. Do you make a distinction between hacker as
- someone who breaks into computers or a hacker who is an intense system
- programmer?
- KV: Do I make that distinction?
- TC: Yea.
- KV: Umm.. No.. Im not involved enough in the hacker world to make that
- distinction.
- Me: Do you have anything you want to say to the computer underground?
- KV: Umm.. .yes let me think. . "Roller-skating is not a crime".
- TC: Hah
- PH: ah!
- KV: You know that I live on skates don't you?
- PH: Well on the album cover your wearing skates.. next to that car ... with
- your..
- KV: My teledestruction gear!
- KV: And, I have to add a grain of salt to the phrase "Hackers of the world
- unite" thats on our album cover..
- PH: Right.
- KV: We didn't actually intend it to be a huge banner.. it was suppose to be a
- tiny little comment on the side.. and our label misunderstood our
- intentions for that. We didn't think it was quite good enough to have it
- be a huge .. in such huge print.
- Me: Hmm
- KV: Not a grain of salt.. A tounge and a cheek.
- TC: hehe
- <SILENCE>
- Me: Well, I guess thats about it.. Do you have anything you wanna sum up with?
- KV: Umm..
- <SILENCE>
- Me: Uh, Kurt, do you have an Email address somewhere?
- KV: AH, well, Im embarrassed to say it but only on Prodigy.
- TC: HAH
- Me: Bahah!
- PH: Heh
- Me: Okay.. Well, if that's it..
- KV: Wait. I do know something I can sum up with..
- KV: Please.. In the case of our album try to overcome your instinct of hacker
- tendancies and buy an original disk rather than just waiting for a copy..
- KV: Ok?
- Me: Hah
- KV: We need the money.
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- [The following is a press release for InSoc's new LP. --DH]
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- INFORMATION
- SOCIETY
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- "Hackers have no regard for conventional wisdom. We have no regard for
- musical conventions..."
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- -- Paul Robb
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- "Hack has multiple meanings, some of them self-deprecating. You can't
- take any of this too seriously or you've missed the point. It's about
- a playful use of technology, about breaking codes. It's a post-modern
- aesthetic that comes through in our music..."
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- -- James Cassidy
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- "After having devised, erased and blotted out many other names, we
- finally decided to call our album _Hack_ -- a name that, in our
- opinion, is lofty, sonorous and significant. It explains that we had
- been only ordinary hacks before we had been raised to our present status
- as first of all hacks in the world..."
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- -- Kurt Valaquen
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- There you have it...as complete a definition of the vision of _Hack_ as
- you're likely to get short of actually listening to Information
- Society's superb new album of the same name. And if, after reading the
- trio's treatises on the term, you suddenly have a clear understanding of
- what the meaning behind _Hack_ really is, then something's gone wrong.
- _Hack_ is more than the definition. It's a way of life. With its own
- soundtrack.
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- "We're musical hackers of the first order," continues InSoc's Paul Robb.
- "What we do is similiar to computer hackers breaking into sophisticated
- systems to wreak havoc."
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- "Our music is really different from other progressive styles," adds
- James Cassidy. "It's funnier and scarier...a mix of pure pop and sub-
- versive stuff underneath the surface."
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- A> Four direct telephone circuits linking Seoul to Moscow were set to open
- at midnight last night. South Korea's Communication Ministry said telephone
- calls between South Korea and the Soviet Union have jumped from four calls in
- all of 1987 to some 5,000 a month this year.
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- B> In the latest issue of IEEE Spectrum (November, 1990), on pages
- 117-119, there's an interesting article entitled "The Great Blue Box Phone
- Frauds", subtitled "Until the phone company separated signaling information
- from the voice signal, long-distance calls could be made without charge by
- anyone who could whistle at 2600 hertz."
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- It even has the illustration from the June 1972 "Ramparts" magazine, showing
- how to constuct a "black box" to prevent the calling party from being billed
- for the call.
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- There's also a list of about five or six other references at the end
- of the article which sound interesting.
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- C> Registering for AT&T Mail on-line: make a modem call to 1 800 624 5123
- (2400, 1200, or 300 baud, 8 bit, no parity); give one (or more) <CR>'s; and at
- the login prompt, type REGISTER followed by another <CR>. The system will walk
- you through its on-line registration procedure. Have a creditcard number or
- EFT number handy. You can back out at any time with a ^C (<cntrl>-C) and a
- QUIT.
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- A couple further AT&T Mail features:
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- "Mail Talk" permits retrieval of messages w/o a terminal from any DTMF phone --
- text messages get "spoken" by a synthesized voice; and there are "Autoanswer"
- and "Autoresponse" options permitting fairly flexible automatic response to
- either all or selected incoming messages.
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- D> Detroit, Michigan time 313-472-1212. May soon be replaced with
- a 900 number that charges.
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- E> In Australia, the hacker known as Phoenix was charged with Defrauding
- the Commonwealth, Conspiracy to Commit Treason, and Conspiracy to Commit
- Murder. The United States has sent representatives from the Federal Bureau of
- Investigation (FBI) and the Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT) overseas to
- help investigate the situation and aid in prosecution of Phoenix. In the
- meantime, the "eccentric" Phoenix is maintaining ties to hacker friends in the
- USA by use of the Internet.
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- F> Bellcore reports that we have only 9 unused area codes. The current
- system of generating the codes was supposed to last 100-200 years. Not to
- worry, a representative at the Bell organization says a new plan is already in
- the works. The new system consists of replacing the 2nd digit (either 0 or 1)
- with a number between 2 and 9. Bellcore says the new plan should last 200 more
- years. Hm.
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- G> A new BBS has been set up for a communication flow between hackers,
- fed, and journalists. 713.242.6853 Instant validation for all. The BBS is
- called FACE to FACE.
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