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- = F.U.C.K. - Fucked Up College Kids - Born Jan. 24th, 1993 - F.U.C.K. =
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- Hi Fundie
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- I've been involved in several religious debates, both on IRC and in
- "real life". With this experience, I have been able to come up with many
- conclusions, many of which I've written about, such as the purpose of the
- "God" concept, the value of fear to the Christian religion, and the necessity
- of all religion to satisfy the ego whether it denies it or not.
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- Unfortunately I've also learned that open-mindedness is a virtue in
- today's society. While it might seem "high and mighty" of me, I tend to
- think that I can keep an open mind in most situations. Open-mindedness led me
- to my religion, which I used to make fun of quite often(Before I learned
- about it, of course).
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- It seems the Christian religion itself tends to frown upon
- open-mindedness, unless one is to "read the Bible with an open mind". Many
- times people have told me this; "read it with an open mind!" I try, but
- sorry kids--it's just a book in my eyes, not the "Holy Word of God". Someone
- might throw that in my face and say "Now that's not openminded!" but alas
- I've given the religion quite awhile to prove itself to me, and the Bible
- seems more and more ridiculous each time I read it. I say just as easily ask
- them to read a Greek Myth with "open-mindedness". Open-mindedness is not
- willingness to believe, it's willingness to UNDERSTAND, to drop prejudices
- and learn for yourself. Once one understands, it's up to them to believe.
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- Since faith demands they have "no other Gods" Christians tend NOT to be
- "openminded"(by their concept of the word) towards other religions or lack
- thereof. I can understand this, dogma is dogma. In fact, I often find
- myself thinking "HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN GOD!?" while a Christian might ask
- "HOW CAN YOU NOT BELIEVE IN GOD!?" I can accept their dogmatic nature; but
- it's when foolish fundies make statements with no backing that I find myself
- quite frustrated.
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- Fundies[Fundamentalist Christians] tend to attack things like evolution,
- and to the uninformed they might seem effective. Unfortunately, evolution is
- not "the process of which chimps become men." Another thing they'll do is
- rant and rant and rant on how if there is no God we're merely the by-products
- of chance, matter and energy. These rants are nothing more than appeals to
- the ego, and they can grow quite annoying. Atheists find nothing cheap about
- being *A* complex product of the universe.
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- Other silly things said are "No self-respecting scientist beliefs in
- evolution", "You can't prove evolution", etc. Unfortunately..evolution *is*
- science. Belief in evolution is like belief in friction. "You can't prove
- evolution" is a silly statement indeed--prove your God. "But that's faith!
- And science relies on faith too!" Science doesn't deal in proof or faith.
- "It's only a theory!" Scientific theories are not assertions; "Creationism"
- is. Science gathers the evidence and makes predictions. When it fails to
- make sense, it changes with time. Unfortunately the Bible cannot do this
- easily, so people end up saying things like "You take it too literally" or
- "That's human error". These rants can go on forever, and why shouldn't
- they, because anyone can have their own fucking opinion on what "Paul really
- meant" or whatnot.
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- The tactics used in this type of "debate"[most utilized by FUNDIES, I'm
- not saying Christians in general are incapable] are nothing more than
- "victory by signs of frustration in the nonbeliever". If a fundie pisses you
- off enough, he/she might consider themself the victor. Do not allow this!
- Retain the upper hand! Fight stupidity with blatant, harsh, and sometimes
- vulgar frankness. Blasphemy also works...just to make them give you your
- telltale sign of victory--"I'll pray for you!" or "You're going to hell!"
- Here are a few examples:
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- "Everything you've said so far is bullshit. I'd like to see you back up
- one, just one of your statements. Every statement you can make against
- evolution can be refuted in no time. I have no time for idiots like you."
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- "If there is a God, why would he make blatantly ignorant fucks like
- you?"
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- "An omnipotent, all good and all loving God cannot exist in a universe
- with hell. Period."
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- "God is dead. Shut the fuck up."
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- "Jesus was a bastard."
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- "Rege Satanas!"
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- "I find your Christ revolting."
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- People might say "You only stupe to their level", but hey, when logic
- and reason fail, show the person exactly how stupid they are. They might
- consider themself a victor, but you being a true victor can both revel in
- your victory and in the knowledge that they believe they are victorious
- indeed! To answer bottomless drivel with brutal frankness is better than to
- say, tell them you're tired and allow them any chance of believing they fared
- well.
-
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- Lord_H
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