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- Computer underground Digest Wed Apr 16, 1997 Volume 9 : Issue 30
- ISSN 1004-042X
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- Editor: Jim Thomas (cudigest@sun.soci.niu.edu)
- News Editor: Gordon Meyer (gmeyer@sun.soci.niu.edu)
- Archivist: Brendan Kehoe
- Shadow Master: Stanton McCandlish
- Shadow-Archivists: Dan Carosone / Paul Southworth
- Ralph Sims / Jyrki Kuoppala
- Ian Dickinson
- Field Agent Extraordinaire: David Smith
- Cu Digest Homepage: http://www.soci.niu.edu/~cudigest
-
- CONTENTS, #9.30 (Wed, Apr 16, 1997)
-
- File 1--Responses to Cokie Roberts' column on the Net and government
- File 2--Re: CuD, #9.29 - More Responses to Cokie Roberts
- File 3--Internet, Telephones, and Duct Tape (More on Roberts)
- File 4--Re: CuD, #9.29, Sun 13 Apr 97, Cokie Roberts, et al.
- File 5--Brock Meeks vs. Cokie Roberts (fwd)
- File 6--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 15 Apr, 1997)
-
- CuD ADMINISTRATIVE, EDITORIAL, AND SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION APPEARS IN
- THE CONCLUDING FILE AT THE END OF EACH ISSUE.
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- Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:50:29 -0700 (PDT)
- From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
- Subject: File 1--Responses to Cokie Roberts' column on the Net and government
-
- Source - fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu
-
- [Hayek has it right -- we shouldn't fetishize democracy. Democracy is at
- best a means to a freer society, not a guarantee of one. Under the weight
- of a homogenous majority, a democracy can be more oppressive than a benign
- dictatorship. Instead, we should pursue liberty as a goal. -Declan]
-
- *******************
-
- Date--Fri, 11 Apr 97 20:08:00 DST
- From--"Halpert, James - DC" <jhalpert@pipermar.com>
-
- This column is remarkably unfair -- at its core an elaborate bait and
- switch. Petitioning the government over the Net has nothing to do with
- cyber-stalking or cyberporn -- and is a considerable leap away from
- electronic town hall referenda.
-
- Whatever the merits of instant electronic referenda, giving the public an
- opportunity to comment on federal agency decisions is what agency
- rulemaking is supposed to be all about -- only until recently, such
- organizing efforts have required significant resources. The Net has
- helped to change that.
-
- The logical extension of the Roberts' position is to call for
- congressional offices to disconnect their telephones so that mass call-in
- campaigns by the Christian Coalition, AARP and other well-funded, highly
- disciplined grassroots groups are not heard. Are these troops more
- reflective than Net users. Hardly (remember the CDA juggernaut).
-
- But the Roberts wouldn't dream of closing the doors of power to that sort
- of campaign. They attack the Net because it is new, scary to them and
- some of their readers, and therefore an easier target.
-
- -- Jim Halpert
-
- *******************
-
- Date--Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:47:03 -0400
- From--Theodore Baar <tedbar@omegacom.com>
- To--"'declan@well.com'" <declan@well.com>
-
- Declan - regardings Roberts whining diatribe.......
-
- I have an interesting point you might consider. The philosophical keystone
- of the Protestant Reformation rested on the concept that man deals
- directly with God and did not require a priest to stand between or mediate
- for him.
-
- Likewise we now have an alledgedly "representative" government that, at
- least according to Ms. Roberts, stands between us and governance to
- protect us from ourselves and teach us our "place". No doubt she includes
- herself in this "protector" class as a jo urnalist to help we poor
- peasants "understand" our appropriate relationship to governance.
-
- I suggest she brush up on democracy real soon or start reading books on
- Oliver Cromwell. Her points on the dangers of direct democracy are of
- course true with one small caveat, direct involvment is the last hope we
- have because their is no representative government.
-
- I have no representation in Washington. For 30 adult years I've watched
- the democratic led permanent government, including their journalistic
- water carriers, represent everyone but the people who really make this
- country work. Government by special inetre st and whining is not
- representative government, don't kid yourself.
-
- Now the, so to speak, first representative is Bill Clinton. I am quite
- certain he represents the the embodiment of the permanent government and
- every belief Cokie & her ilk hold privately dear, otherwise why would the
- press be so supportive. Based on that
- I dare say that representative government has failed miserably.
-
- If representative government is foiled by nonsense like the last two years
- of democratic party nonsense and direct government is then blocked (all in
- our best interests of course) it will then mark the end of our democracy.
- The remaining moderates (check out the blue dog democrats and Ben Campbell
- of Colorado) will be forced to extremes to seek redress, thus my reference
- to Cromwell.
-
- What Ms. Roberts, like so many, does not understand is that Gingrich and
- his people are not the rabid attack dogs of facism they alledge but in
- fact the last reasonable men. If things get ugly I suspect none of us will
- like who leads the next wave.
-
- Ted Baar
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- ******************
-
- Date--Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:18:25 -0700 (PDT)
- From--Anthony Jankowski <anjank@iquest.net>
- To--declan@well.com
-
- thanks for sharing the Cokie and Mr. Cokie column! the whole thing is
- laughable, and I'm sending a note to her via All Things Considered...
-
- Cokie and her ilk, i.e. the other talking head pundits, are deathly afraid
- of the Net, NOT because it's "anti" democratic, but for the very reason that
- IT IS DEMOCRATIC AND MUCH MORE REPRESENTATIVE than those that allegedly
- represent us!
-
- I don't know what Internet she's using, but from my travels, I've seen
- everyone represented on the Net quite well, straight, queer, liberal, con-
- servative, radical, anarchist, skin-heads, nazi-lovers, black, white, rich,
- poor, etc.. the Forum is wide open, the very opposite of what goes on in
- the "halls of Congress".
-
- Her and hubby open the column with the standard scare tactic that phoney-
- baloney moralists use-- the "kids get porn on the Net" ploy... their
- implication that "parents have no control over what their kids are seeing" is
- a flat out LIE. there are now dozens of software packages available to
- parents that want to screen what their kids are seeing.
-
- but then they move right into their real concern--- politics, and their
- ability to make money off of politics. They wax eloquently about what the
- Founding Fathers wanted in terms of representative government. Please, let's
- get REAL, here! Did the Founders advocate career politicians? Did the Founders
- advocate a system where large corporations make campaign contributions, and
- get tax breaks, tax subsidies (corporate welfare) from the government in
- return? While the Roberts' comment on stopping the "money chase", we ALL
- KNOW very well
- that is NOT going to happen under the status quo!
-
- The People have spoken. As author and film maker Michael Moore (Downsize This)
- pointed out, "less than 50% of the eligible voters voting is an act of civil
- disobediance!" The People NO LONGER BELIEVE IN THE SYSTEM for good reason.
- The average person's needs are NOT being met by the current system, and under
- the Constitution it is our complete right to creat a new system, in fact, it is
- our civic duty to do so.
-
- Now we have a tool at hand which allows for every voice to be heard, the Net.
- Computers and the Internet were not even conceivable to the Founding Fathers,
- so naturally it made more sense to advocate a "representative" speaking
- collectively for the People. But given the proven capabilities of the Net,
- would they still feel that way, or would they conceive a different system?
-
- I agree totally with Ms. Vincent. Important issues should, MUST be put on
- national referendums. ONLY THEN will everyone have their input taken seriously.
- The silly notion that "all we have to do is fix the current system and all
- will be well" is just that: SILLY and laughable. The problems we have now
- have been building for the last 100 years! Our elected representatives (some
- of them in office for almost that long) have had every oppportunity to fix
- the system, and show that it is democratic. THEY HAVE MISERABLY FAILED!!!!!
-
- It's time for the corruption to END, plain and simple. The People are
- finally wising up, and the Net can be thanked for that. Ms. Roberts' will soon
- be out of a job, and that's what really concerns her... with many more Voices
- available on the Net, we no longer need the likes of Ms. Roberts, with her
- self-serving agenda. Like the dinosaurs, there kind is about to become extinct.
-
- A centralized, representative system will always be corruptible by monied
- interests. However, a de-centralized system, with only 85% participation, using
- the Net as a vote-collecting tool, would totally shift the power back to where
- it needs to be: The Average Citizen. The lobbyists cannot BRIBE US ALL-- it
- wouldn't be "cost effective".
-
- Anthony Jankowski
-
- "A conservative government is a hypocrisy." Benjamin Disraeli, former Prime
- Minister of England... will the U.S. ever have a Jewish president? a woman?
- a Black? an Oriental?
- Sudden Impact Graphics
- http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6645
-
-
- "Who cares for the Heart?" Shri P. Rajagoplachari
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:17:16 -0400 (EDT)
- From: George J Kamenz <z005318b@BC.SEFLIN.ORG>
- Subject: File 2--Re: CuD, #9.29 - More Responses to Cokie Roberts
-
- I really felt it necessary to respond, almost as if my words might have a
- positive impact. The quoted material is in each case attributed, I hope
- correctly.
-
- But first: Kookie Roberts' editorial was laughable. Totally off the
- mark. Second, sober reflection is a good thing! Take a deep breath and
- try to calm down! (I suppose that applies to everyone except Declan who
- usually appears more rational than the rest. ;-)
-
- On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Cu Digest is was written:
-
- > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:31:21 -0600
- > From: Sue Ashdown <zero@xmission.com>
-
- > Personally my blood runs cold when I think of the representative
- > democracy Cokie has in mind. Her brother, Tommy Boggs, of the Washington
- > law firm Patton, Boggs & Blow made quite a name for himself as a lobbyist
- > arguing strenuously on behalf of erstwhile Guatemalan dictators and death
- > squad financiers in the 1980's and early 1990's.
-
- First, what is to prevent "erstwhile Guatemalan dictators and death
- squad financiers" from getting email accounts?
-
- Second, one lobbyist takes money from sleazes and that weakens Kookie's
- argument? Hey! Wake up! There *is* porn on the 'net. Pedophiles and
- murderers *do* use the 'net. Why doesn't that weaken yours?
-
- Third, her brother is a lobbyist? Well, what do you know. I suppose that
- you've never heard the story of Cain and Abel? Ms. Roberts is as
- responsible for her brother as Seth (the rumored third son) was
- responsible for Cain.
-
- Fourth, your choice of lobbying firm is a *cowardly* ad hominem attack,
- you pathetic pinhead.
-
- > Date--Fri, 11 Apr 97 20:08:00 DST
- > From--"Halpert, James - DC" <jhalpert@pipermar.com>
-
- > disciplined grassroots groups are not heard. Are these troops more
- > reflective than Net users. Hardly (remember the CDA juggernaut).
-
- First, some sarcasm: And as we all know there are no juggernauts on the
- 'net. Don't we?
-
- Second, I suspect the a fairer view would see the various email virus
- warnings and "make money fast" spams as being as reflective of 'net users
- as the CDA is of the "Telecom Reform" thingy *that was passed all at
- once*, and those who crafted it.
-
- > Date--Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:47:03 -0400
- > From--Theodore Baar <tedbar@omegacom.com>
-
- > Likewise we now have an alledgedly "representative" government that, at
- > least according to Ms. Roberts, stands between us and governance to
- > protect us from ourselves and teach us our "place". No doubt she includes
- > herself in this "protector" class as a journalist to help we poor
- > peasants "understand" our appropriate relationship to governance.
-
- Finally something I almost agree with. I used to view (you guys sure the
- editorial was written by NPR's Cokie Roberts?) NPR and especially the
- slightly humorous commentators as a source of a more balanced view. That
- was before they started letting people who know nothing about it comment
- on the 'net. Then I knew they were. It is good to know what it looks
- like from the outside.
-
- > Date--Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:18:25 -0700 (PDT)
- > From--Anthony Jankowski <anjank@iquest.net>
-
- > Cokie and her ilk, i.e. the other talking head pundits, are deathly afraid
- > of the Net, NOT because it's "anti" democratic, but for the very reason that
- > IT IS DEMOCRATIC AND MUCH MORE REPRESENTATIVE than those that allegedly
- > represent us!
-
- I don't know who said it, and it has probably been abused quite a bit, but
- it is said that the masses would vote for free bread and daily circuses.
- The problem with democracy is that the world is full of idiots, thiefs,
- and liars. The good guys are greatly outnumbered. Caution is indicated.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date:Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:26:54 -0400
- From: "Webb, Dean" <DWebb@CAPGEMINI.COM>
- Subject: File 3--Internet, Telephones, and Duct Tape (More on Roberts)
-
- This is in regards to the Cokie Robert's article in issue 9.29.
- When I read her article, I became outraged. How dare she, a
- privileged member of the journocrats, dare attack a form of
- communication freer than she ever dreamed imaginable? Normally,
- journalists are the first to holler when 1st Amendment rights are
- threatened, as it presents to them what seems to be a slippery slope.
- Banning porn on the 'net would eventually lead to swastikas on your
- local rags as they shut down their news bureaus and stick to reporting
- on flower-arranging parties and our victories overseas, right? That's
- the way it seemed whenever someone or some group tried to get newspapers
- to quit carrying ads for topless, nude, or strip clubs, seeing as how
- they can tempt our children into evil ways. Now, the source of free
- speech is being gagged by its own bedfellows. To be precise, *attempted*
- to be gagged, as it certainly is not only alive and well, but at full
- volume to boot.
-
- When I read the responses to the article, I became proud once
- again to be an American. We still have the freedom not only to express
- ourselves, for good or for ill, but we also have the ability to voice
- our dissenting opinions as loudly and as strongly as we choose in as
- direct a manner to our leaders as we can find. Democracy is not
- threatened by lively public debate. There will be no mob rule because of
- the Internet. If anything, our society will break off into niche groups
- (as it is doing so now), where people of differing interests will find
- themselves banding together to support a common cause, while still
- opposing each other on other issues. Such is the stuff of politics, and
- thus it ever was and thus it ever shall be.
-
- I would like Ms. Roberts and others of her ilk to apply their
- logic evenly or *not at all.* To illustrate this, let us consider the
- Internet as it compares to our telephone system and why all our
- telephones need extensive security devices attached to protect the
- innocent if such devices should apply to the Internet.
-
- Telephones allow free access to congresspeople. This access is
- even more insidious than email. Phone access allows direct voice contact
- to those in power, which email does not. Should the congressperson
- choose to disregard either email or telephony, all that need be done is
- delete the email or ignore the call. The catch is that the phone call
- ties up much more in the way of communications resources than does the
- email: it shuts down a precious phone line. Therefore, if emailing our
- congresspeople en masse would be a bad thing, calling them would be even
- worse. Congresspeople need to be insulated from those they represent, so
- their phone numbers should be unpublished and secured by the appropriate
- agencies. These phone numbers should be made available only to lobbyists
- and journalists who wish to take advantage of their access, rather than
- serve as governmental watchdogs. Similar restrictions should apply to
- their email addresses.
-
- Telephones allow access to pornographic materials and other
- unpleasantries. Our innocent children could dial a 1-800 number at
- random, using phrases to provide guidance as to what numbers to dial. My
- own daughter yesterday suggested 1-800-SPANK ME as a possible number for
- kids who had parents too busy to discipline them properly. I dialed the
- number just to see if it worked and who would answer. I was neither
- surprised nor pleased when it turned out to be a phone-sex line. What if
- my daughter, in her unsuspecting innocence, dialed that number? We have
- programs to protect us on the Internet, but do I really need to get
- clearance from a parental approval box on my phone just to dial
- 1-800-FLOWERS? If Ms. Roberts is right, then the answer is a yes. I
- would also, according to the logic of Ms. Roberts, need a device to
- prohibit calling or being called from anyone someone else decided was
- "kooky" (pun only slightly intended). That would be nice, actually, if I
- could program it myself, but it would also cut out lots of potentially
- legitimate callers. What if a blocked number changes hands without my
- knowledge and gets assigned to a dear friend of mine? What if I block
- all pay phone numbers and I get stranded one night with only a pay phone
- to call home? I cannot accept such stringencies on either phone line or
- Internet line, and neither would Ms. Roberts, if I am permitted to think
- on her behalf. I think she understands the telephone as well as she
- needs to and loves it dearly. I think she would scream murder at the
- thought of someone putting a clamp on her ability to dial out and answer
- calls as a responsible adult all in the name of curbing the activities
- of the irresponsible.
-
- What can be said for the Internet can be said for practically
- any media, all the way down to simple grunting. (I certainly don't want
- any sicko making simple grunts near *my* children!) Let us then,
- therefore, put duct tape across all our mouths and bind our hands that
- we might never hurt anyone ever again. Let us also fill our ears with
- wax and bury ourselves in lead coffins that we might be protected
- against those who find ways to break their bonds and strip themselves of
- their muzzles, who would do such things only to create mischief and
- inflict mayhem, right? Ms. Roberts certainly found an inviting target in
- the Internet, but the gun she is firing can be used on herself just as
- easily.
-
- I am a responsible parent because I do not delegate my
- responsiblities as a parent to any other caretaker. I and my wife set
- the rules in our house, and we enforce them. We spend time with our
- children teaching them the difference between good and evil, right and
- wrong. I do not need any government-imposed stumbling blocks to be
- placed in my path: I can navigate these difficult channels of parenthood
- on my own, thank you very much. It's obvious that Ms. Roberts detects a
- threat to those of her ilk from the Internet, but her attacking, rather
- than embracing, this new media reveals not only her ignorance, but also
- her fear. Shame on her for using the media to recruit others to her
- evil, closed-minded, Internet-hating cult! I should have my newspapers
- filtered so her offensive ideas do not infect the impressionable minds
- that live in my house...
-
- Ms. Roberts represents a shameful part of our society. It is
- that part that uses government, media, and networks of special interests
- as a bully pulpit to crusade against anyone else gaining access to it
- and/or threatening their own grip on it. This part of society is losing
- its control and it will fight tooth and nail, possibly even down and
- dirty, to preserve its control. This, too, will pass. The Greeks had a
- word to describe this sort of person: hubris, one who challenges even
- the gods. Ms. Roberts would do well to brush up on her Greek, as well as
- her Latin, for there is the saying, *vox populi, vox dei.* (The voice of
- the people is the voice of God.) The Internet, more than any other mode
- of communication, is the *vox populi.*
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:35:31 -0400 (EDT)
- From: Jack <jack@LINUX.COWLAND.COM>
- Subject: File 4--Re: CuD, #9.29, Sun 13 Apr 97, Cokie Roberts, et al.
-
- I am not entirely sure how Mr Ted Baar made the leap from US citizens
- petitioning their government by email being somehow analogous to the
- benefits (however nebulous) brought to 17th-century England (not to
- mention Ireland) by the efforts of Oliver Cromwell.
-
- But when he paints the US mass media as somehow being in the pocket of the
- present occupant of the White House, he would seem to be somewhat more
- than out of touch with the current content of television and newspaper
- commentary.
-
- And when he drags the recently censured Speaker of the House into his
- rambling diatribe as the savior of the democratic process I become
- completely adrift in his political Sargasso.
-
- Cokie Roberts, like many writers faced with deadline, latched onto
- something she appears not to understand well. But, hey--the Internet
- is fair game.
-
-
- So what? What she writes (or Mr Baar, or I, for that matter) will not
- have the faintest effect on how electronic communications between
- the people and the government will develop.
-
- Surely, we can all find something of somewhat greater substance to fill
- our Sunday-evening email boxes.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:45:36 -0400
- From: Jonah Seiger <jseiger@cdt.org>
- Subject: File 5--Brock Meeks vs. Cokie Roberts (fwd)
-
- (MODERATORS NOTE: From Brock Meeks and CyberWire DIspatch, who
- once again illustrates why he's about the best Cyber-journalist
- around!))
-
- Source - fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu
-
- From http://www.msnbc.com/news/wwwashington.asp, April 16
-
- How the Net will kill democracy
-
- Media elite discovers new plot!
-
- WASHINGTON - Some 200-plus years of democratic government
- in the United States is "under attack" and a thriving, politically active
- Internet community is the perpetrator. That's the theme of a recent
- syndicated column by ABC News talking head and National Public Radio
- commentator Cokie Roberts and her husband, Steve Roberts, a columnist
- for the New York Daily News.
-
- The hysterical tone of the column is astounding. The Robertses claim
- that computers facilitate the ability of people to "get in touch with each
- other on public policy issues." Horrors! Further, this new, digital
- democracy-slaying beast comes close to fulfilling Ross Perot's notion of
- nationwide electronic town halls that "let the politicians know what we
- want, so then they will do it! No more pandering to the big contributors,
- no more deals between members, just the voice of the people will be
- heard!" At this revelation, the Robertses write: "We hear that and
- shudder."
-
- These are the same sentiments I heard last year during a House
- hearing discussing how to wire Congress for the next century. Reading the
-
- column was like deja vu all over again, to borrow from that great political
- pundit, Yogi Berra. The Robertses claim that electronic, participatory
- government would mark the end of deliberation among lawmakers, that
- there would be "no more consideration of an issue over a long period of
- time, no more balancing of regional and ethnic interests, no more
- protection of minority views."
-
-
- PARTICIPATION KILLS DEMOCRACY?
-
- Bull. All this would be laughable if the column had been cranked out
- by some backwater hack on a second-rate newspaper in a third-rate state.
- Instead, it carries Cokie's byline, who, according to a cover story in the
- April 5 issue of the National Journal, is noted as being among a handful of
- the most influential journalists in Washington. "She's a celebrity, but an
- influential one," the Journal writes.
-
- This sort of journalistic tripe is poison and yet at the same time, grist
- for the mill among the twisted jackals that make up Congress and who, it
- seems, have no qualms about using the Internet as a personal whipping
- post whenever it suits their fancy.
-
- The Robertses column falls within days of another equally remarkable
- event: A nationwide "town hall meeting," cybercast by Democracy.Net
- with Rep. Rick White, R-Wash. The cybercast interview of White,
- broadcast in RealAudio with a simultaneous live chat happening, flies in
- the face of the column for a few reasons.
-
- PUTTING LAWMAKERS WITHIN REACH
-
- First, Democracy.Net, strung together on a shoe-string budget with
- borrowed equipment and staff, easily and effectively puts lawmakers
- within grasp of the public. Unlike a physical town hall meeting, where if
- you can't make it in person you lose out, on Democracy.Net there is a full
- audio archive of White's remarks along with a full transcript of the chat.
-
- The Roberts claim that electronic, participatory government would mark the
- end of deliberation among lawmakers.
-
- A member of Congress answering to the public, in real time, might
- frighten Cokie Roberts, but to me it's the beginning of a new movement to
- breach an ever-widening gap between a public that feels far too removed
- from its government and impotent when it comes to being a part of the
- process.
-
- To White's credit, he took question after question from those firing
- away at their keyboards. He was frank and honest. "How refreshing!"
- remarked one person in the real-time chat, "A congressman with a brain!"
- Just think, a member of Congress at the mercy of the public they are
- sworn to serve and not a lobbyist within earshot. How revolting!
-
- AVOIDING THE MEDIA ELITE
-
- Another reason this democracy.net experiment works is that there is
- no middle man, other than some software and a keyboard. Yes, a
- moderator, Wired Magazine editor Todd Lappin, did field the questions
- and pass them on to White. But Lappin handled the job with the
- even-handedness usually reserved for C-Span. The "Washington Media
- Elite" are as reviled by the public as the Congress itself; this process
- effectively takes the media out of the meeting.
-
- White doesn't brook with the Robertses' assessment of the Internet.
- "I'm not as skeptical," White told me in a phone interview. In a short
- statement highlighting his appearance on democracy.net, he says: "The
- Internet is one of the best new tools we have to create a more open
- democracy the Internet is helping bring the issues before Congress into the
- homes of people across our country. This is a positive development and
- one that will help foster more participation in our government."
-
- White said his experience on democracy.net was "great fun," but like
- other such experiments using the Net, "it's an initial first step down a
- long path" to putting people
- more in touch with their government. However,
- White said the experience on democracy.net "doesn't quite substitute for
- the direct feedback" in a face-to-face town hall meeting, where there are
- no intermediaries. He said
- there's no reason to believe that members of
- Congress, in the future, won't be able to carry out their own version of
- electronic town hall meetings, via video conferencing links, "where we
- could look at each other face-to-face on a laptop screen."
-
- BAN GRASSROOTS LOBBYING?
-
- The Robertses, for whatever reason, believe that putting Congress
- within a modem's reach of the public would threaten its very existence,
- "thanks to the Internet." Yet I know of no one making a case for every
- single issue being voted on by the public, via modem, and therefore
- usurping the duty of Congress to carry out debate on the issues. All
- anyone is asking for is more of a voice, more of a presence. And that's
- what the power of the Internet can help facilitate.
-
- Jock Gill is a former White House staffer and an original member of
- the Clinton '92 campaign that first incorporated the power of the Internet
- into a presidential campaign. He noted in a message to the Interesting
- Persons mailing list, run by Internet icon Dave Farber, that the current
- two-party system relies on "top down, legacy media branding and
- communications structures, which are clearly seen as not producing useful
- solutions to tomorrow's pending problems." Gill maintains that this is one
- reason why "citizen participation" is at an all-time low. "This lack of
- participation is the greatest threat to our security, not the content or
- habits of the Internet," he
- writes.
-
- On the Fight-Censorship list, James Halpert put a fine edge on his
- critique of the Roberts' thoughts: "The logical extension of the Roberts'
- position is to call for congressional offices to disconnect their
- telephones so that mass call-in
- campaigns by well-funded, highly disciplined
- grassroots groups are not heard. Are these troops more reflective than Net
- users? Hardly."
-
- UNANIMITY ON THE NET? NOT!
-
- Another thing that irks me is that the Robertses column assumes that
- Congress could be held hostage to a digital band of nationwide activists
- just waiting to hijack critical
- items of the national agenda. As if Netizens all
- spoke with one voice and always agreed on every issue. As Halpert so
- adroitly dead-panned: "Hardly."
-
- I have to applaud the efforts of those like White who are taking a
- stand and helping to push the envelope in an atmosphere that is at best
- chilly when it comes to the Internet. Unfortunately, he's in an even
- smaller minority than the
- Democratic Party.
- Access to the public via the Internet is no panacea for what ails
- Congress, but it can help foster a better dialog and allow people to feel
- more connected to their lawmakers. If we can just lead them to these
- digital waters, I'm sure those
- behind efforts like democracy.net can make them
- drink.
-
- Meeks out . . .
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