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- Computer underground Digest Sun Jul 14, 1996 Volume 8 : Issue 53
- ISSN 1004-042X
-
- Editor: Jim Thomas (cudigest@sun.soci.niu.edu)
- News Editor: Gordon Meyer (gmeyer@sun.soci.niu.edu)
- Archivist: Brendan Kehoe
- Shadow Master: Stanton McCandlish
- Field Agent Extraordinaire: David Smith
- Shadow-Archivists: Dan Carosone / Paul Southworth
- Ralph Sims / Jyrki Kuoppala
- Ian Dickinson
- Cu Digest Homepage: http://www.soci.niu.edu/~cudigest
-
- CONTENTS, #8.53 (Sun, Jul 14, 1996)
-
- File 1--Meeks' article on site blocking software companies
- File 2--Singapore's Internet regulation to start on Monday July 15th
- File 3--Discussion Forum on Privacy on the Internet
- File 4--UK cyber-rights and cyber-liberties web site
- File 5--iStar memo: don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups (fwd)
- File 6--Tacoma decides to tax Internet
- File 7--DC-ISOC Event: July 16
- File 8--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 7 Apr, 1996)
-
- CuD ADMINISTRATIVE, EDITORIAL, AND SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION ApPEARS IN
- THE CONCLUDING FILE AT THE END OF EACH ISSUE.
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-
- Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 00:38:26 -0700
- From: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri@netcom.com>
- Subject: File 1--Meeks' article on site blocking software companies
-
- Editor:
-
- I am writing in regard to Brock Meek's article on obtaining the
- secret databases of various blocking software companies. A lively discussion
- of some aspects of the article has followed on the Cypherpunks
- list (cypherpunks-request@toad.com) and inspired many of the
- reactions herein.
-
- My first reaction to the article was of disappointment. Why are
- McCullagh and Meek obviously "picking a fight" with these companies?
- They have some decent points buried in the inflammatory rhetoric of
- the article (which I would rather not dissect line-by-line), but they
- seem to me to largely missing some key points that can be made about
- these "rating services":
-
- 1. These services are just starting-- they are in their infancy, an
- embryonic stage. They are sorting out how they want to deal with
- issues of publicity of their data, how they are to advertise their
- service to parents, how they are to differentiate themselves from
- each other, etc. It's just not very reasonable to criticize them
- for not having all the answers yet. Actually, I think they should be
- commended for advancing the technology so far in any extremely
- hostile, competitive, and emotionally-charged environment.
-
- 2. The services are NOT censorship. Use of the service is
- *entirely*voluntary*. Who are libertarians to rant at parents who
- independently have made the decision to use the service? While an
- informed and unbiased review of the services and their practices
- would be very valuable for those parents, Meeks' rabid reporting
- style is just the opposite of what is called for here. If the entire
- article were rewritten from a more unbiased and levelheaded point of
- view, it would be a public service. As it stands, it sounds like a
- call to arms. I suspect that not only are Meeks and McCullagh on the
- wrong side of the battle, the battle is exactly the wrong one to
- fight.
-
- 3. These services are right now *receiving*money* for their work.
- That is, a market has already arisen and apparently there is a valid
- economic role for these companies to play based on the fact there are
- already multiple, competing services operating on profits. This is
- really something to be delighted about-- it turns out that people who
- complain about material unsuitable for children are willing to put
- their money where their mouths are and actually support services that
- do the grunt work, and the whole endeavor can exist entirely
- independently of people who aren't interested in either funding or
- participating in it (no *taxes*, *lawyers*, or *bureacrats* required!
- hallelujah!). Why is Meeks making it sound so horrible? I believe we
- are witnessing the birth of a somewhat revolutionary new paradigm for
- information dissemination-- instead of burning books or libraries,
- zealots have an actual socially-acceptable channel for their
- seemingly inexhaustable energies, namely starting cyberspace ratings
- services!
-
- 4. Why is Meeks complaining that these services are preventing
- children from seeing certain material in all clearly borderline
- cases? A single rating service deciding that a site doesn't cut
- their criteria is not at all a verdict of global, deathly silence on
- that site. The mere fact that all the rating services are keeping
- their lists secret from each other would tend to prevent a global
- blacklisting. In fact this is one disadvantage of sharing the data!
- The services may tend to unify in their "blacklistings" where now
- there is a diversity of opinion.
-
- 5. Parents want to err on the side of caution. It is not a calamity
- if some legitimate mailing list or web site is filtered from their
- children, as Meeks tends to suggest. Parents who choose such
- services may already be making similar conservative judgements in
- other areas of the child's lives. Meeks seems to be trying to create
- a controversy where none exists, by calling up the sites that are
- supposedly being "censored" and telling them that they are being
- "blocked", when perhaps ignorance of this is bliss for everyone
- involved. Do the parents who use the service really care?
-
- 6. The services are typically aimed at YOUNG children. I am all for
- letting children eventually be exposed to every aspect of our
- society, even those considered socially repulsive. However, a gradual
- plan that is very restrictive at first for the child at a young age,
- to something that is extremely "permissive" when they are at a later
- age, seems like the most sensible approach for parents to me.
- Furthermore, I suspect this is exactly what happens in the real world
- right now, in a general sense, if there were a study of the general
- trend of "permissiveness" of parents associated with chronological
- stages of child-raising.
-
- 7. Why does Meeks assume that parents want to know exactly what is on
- the lists? I think it is clear even from his own account that at
- least some of the services he mentions do a decent job of indicating
- the kinds of categories and criteria that they are blocking, and any
- more information than this may not be of any interest to the parent.
- Again, I think the best point is that the market *right*now*
- "deciding" what the optimal blocking service is. The fact that there
- are already so many different services is a sign that it is a
- healthy, fledgling new industry.
-
- 8. In the long run, so what if some kids are prevented from seeing
- material that may be important to them at some later age? What is
- there that is all that important to kids at young ages? As I
- suggested above, as long as the parents are following a plan of
- gradually exposing the child to everything in slow installments that
- finish when they reach 18, what we have here is "delayed exposure" to
- material, not so much "blocking". I suspect that these services are
- very soon going to have different age level categories if they don't
- already. And this can be simulated right now, apparently, by the
- parent simply picking appropriate categories they feel are correct
- out of the spectrum of ratings made by the agencies and revising as
- necessary.
-
- 9. If Meeks got the plans to the Pentium chip on a CD from an
- anonymous informant, would he publish it? Why then does he feel the
- need to broadcast and publicly ridicule the trade secrets of these
- blocking companies to the world, the information that they make their
- money by? Why does he insinuate he is doing a noble and daring public
- service? Why is there the subtle insinuation in the article, "if it's
- secret, it's not legitimate"?
-
- 10. Meeks doesn't seem to conceive of a simple observation. It's not
- a *problem* if the blocking services vary in their opinions of what
- is not acceptable to children. The decision of what is inappropriate
- to children is *subjective*, and all that is going on is that parents
- are hiring companies to help them make those subjective decisions.
- That's the beauty of the whole system-- the government is completely
- uninvolved, nor should it ever need to be, and the entire system is
- voluntary by all parties. Internet sites do not even have to be aware
- of the rating services.
-
-
- In general, I agree with an underlying theme of the article that
- perhaps more candor about selection criteria among the blocking
- services is in order. They do seem to have an atmosphere of paranoia
- and secrecy somewhat reminiscent of an intelligence agency.
-
- Nevertheless, Meeks could have written his article from a totally
- different view that takes the above points into account more fairly.
- It could have been a rosy article about how new information rating
- services are starting to flourish. Instead his article is bordering
- on what might be called, not merely a hatchet job, but buzz-saw
- journalism. That's his style. He doesn't appear to have ever met a
- new Internet development that he likes, at least based on his past
- articles. In fact Meeks at times seems to be an even bigger source of
- FUD than some scaremonger government bureacrats that he's targeted in
- the past.
-
- Can Meeks draw the basic distinction between blocking services, and
- companies like Point Communications whose awards are proudly
- displayed on web pages all over the planet? I see no difference. All
- these services have something basic in common: they are sifting
- through information to rate it and present the valuable stuff to
- their clients. The blocking companies simply do this through the
- process of elimination, and Point Communications (and other "cool web
- site compilations" that litter cyberspace everywhere) simply start
- from one of inclusion.
-
- Imho, we are right now witnessing the birth of a new industry--the
- meta-information industry, exemplified in e.g. Yahoo, which helps the
- world sift through information (and also includes blocking some of
- it). I highly recommend that libertarians reconsider any opposition
- they may have to these services under the different perspectives I
- offer above. Are these services the beginning of the end of the zest
- of cyberspace? Or are they instead possibly the beginning of a system
- whereby that zestiness is amplified in a positive feedback loop?
- Perhaps because there is a fresh new safety net being woven as we
- speak to prevent children from exposure to "inappropriate" material,
- the overall freedom of information dissemination benefits as a
- result.
-
- I am fully aware that Meeks recently won an award from a group of
- admirers, and I do have some respect for his past articles and scoops
- and willingness to donate his time toward a cause. However, I
- suggest that there is a narrow edge between what helps and hurts
- cyberspace, and often it is not clear what effect a particular
- development will have in the long run. I hope Mr. Meeks will be less
- smug and hasty in his future judgements of such (to say the least) in
- the future.
-
- Also, I have seen a very long and intricate discussion among
- cypherpunks about how to evade the blocking software. I suggest to
- everyone that trying to evade the basic situation that is going on
- here-- i.e. parents deciding how they want to raise their own
- children--is extremely dangerous territory. I would like to see
- libertarians instead come to the conclusion, and advocate it
- publicly, that it's not a big deal if kids are prevented from seeing
- significant aspects of the world before they are 18, and that they as
- adults are willing to support such a system, or at least not try to
- sabotage one that is put into place by others who are directly
- involved (i.e., parents, educators, child welfare specialists, etc.).
-
- Sincerely,
- Vladimir Nuri
-
-
- Note: more information on a sophisticated new ratings protocol called PICS
- that may be in widespread use sometime in the future
- by various ratings agencies is available at http://www.w3.org/PICS
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:15:51 +0100
- From: Jean-Bernard Condat <jeanbc@INFORMIX.COM>
- Subject: File 2--Singapore's Internet regulation to start on Monday July 15th
-
- By Geoffrey Pereira
-
- SINGAPORE'S cyberspace will be regulated from Monday under a new
- licensing scheme that aims to safeguard public morals, political
- stability and religious harmony.
-
- Two groups -- those who provide or sell Internet access and those
- who provide information with business, political and religious
- content -- will be deemed to be licensed automatically.
-
- They will have to follow a set of Singapore Broadcasting Authority
- guidelines on what material can enter Singapore's cyberspace.
-
- While the first group will also have to be registered with the SBA,
- not all of the second group, except for those whose home pages
- engage in local political or religious discussion and on-line
- newspapers which target Singapore subscribers, need to.
-
- To register, they will have to provide information such as the
- targeted readers, the names of the editors and publishers and the
- nature of the organisation behind them, a move to promote
- responsible use of the medium.
-
- The SBA announced the new Class Licence Scheme yesterday in a
- follow-up to moves earlier this year.
-
- The scheme will cover two main categories of Internet providers.
-
- Internet Service Providers (ISPs). These include access provi ders
- such as CyberWay and secondary access providers such as cybercafes
- and schools. They must block out objectionable sites when the SBA
- tells them to and pay a licensing fee.
-
- The Internet has thousands of newsgroups in which people discuss
- topics that include homosexuality, sex and religion, sometimes with
- pictures.
-
- Service providers will also have to follow the SBA's guidelines on
- content in deciding which newsgroups to offer to the public.
-
- Schools and other places which offer access to children will need
- tighter control; the SBA said it was working with the Education
- Ministry and the National Library Board on this. Internet Content
- Providers (ICP). The term refers to anyone who provides information
- on the World Wide Web, a publishing platform on the Internet,
- including those who put out their own home pages.
-
- But Mr Goh Liang Kwang, the SBA's chief executive officer, told a
- press conference that regulatory efforts would focus only on groups
- which provide content on an organised basis.
-
- Individuals who put up web pages that are not for business,
- political and religious purposes will be exempted unless they are
- notified by the SBA.
-
- He said the scheme aimed to encourage responsible use of the
- Internet while allowing its healthy development here. He said: "It
- encourages minimum standards in cyberspace and seeks to protect Net
- users, particularly the young, against the broadcast of unlawful or
- objectionable materials."
-
- He added that political and religious organisations are free to
- conduct discussions provided they do not break the law or disrupt
- social harmony.
-
- The SBA guidelines on content also prohibit other types of material.
- They include material which:
-
- Jeopardises security or defence, or which undermines confide nce in
- the administration of justice; Misleads and alarms the public; Tends
- to bring the Government into hatred or contempt, or excites
- disaffection against it.
-
- When asked to elaborate on the kind of material which would fall
- under the third point, Mr Goh replied that it would be a matter of
- judgment on the part of the SBA.
-
- The penalties for those who break the rules have not been spelt out
- under the scheme, but he said that they could have their licence
- withdrawn or be fined.
-
- The Internet was impossible to control fully, he said, and added:
- "Our licence conditions are directed at what is necessary and
- possible. As technology evolves, so will our regulatory framework."
-
- He added that the Ministry of Information and the Arts will appoint
- a National Internet Advisory Committee to help formulate a good
- framework.
-
- Although the SBA will have up to 10 people monitoring cyberspace, he
- added that the success of its regulation would depend a lot on
- industry and community action. People can help, he said, by
- informing the SBA of the objectionable sites that they come across.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:53:07 -0700
- From: Berliner Datenschutzbeauftragter <dsb@datenschutz-berlin.de>
- Subject: File 3--Discussion Forum on Privacy on the Internet
-
- The International Working Group on Data Protection in
- Telecommunications is currently working on Data Protection and
- Privacy on the Internet.
-
- The Group was founded in 1983 and has been initiated by Data
- Protection Commissioners from different countries in order to improve
- Data Protection and Privacy in Telecommunications. The Secretariat of
- the Group is located at the Berlin Data Protection Commissioner=B4s
- Office, Berlin, Germany.
-
- At its spring meeting 1996 in Budapest the Group has agreed on a
- Draft Report and Guidance on Data Protection on the Internet. It was
- agreed to publish the Report on the Net in order to receive comments
- from the network community.
-
- The Secretariat of the Working Group has initiated a discussion forum
- located at the WWW-Server of the Berlin Data Protection Commissioner
- (http://www.datenschutz-berlin.de/diskus/).
-
- The comments received will be published on the server.
-
- We are looking forward to your comments on the report.
-
- Yours sincerely,
-
- Hansj=FCrgen Garstka
- (Chairman of the Group)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:54:31 -0700 (PDT)
- From: Declan McCullagh <declan@eff.org>
- Subject: File 4--UK cyber-rights and cyber-liberties web site
-
- [Kindly forwarded by Eric Freedman. --Declan]
-
- // declan@eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan@well.com //
-
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
- Date--Thu, 04 Jul 1996 08:00:56 -0500 (CDT)
- From--Y. AKDENIZ <lawya@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
-
- A NEW WEB PAGE DEALING WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH & PRIVACY ON THE
- INTERNET - "CYBER-RIGHTS & CYBER-LIBERTIES" AT:
-
- http://www.leeds.ac.uk/law/pgs/yaman/yaman.htm
-
- PLEASE WIDELY REDISTRIBUTE THIS DOCUMENT
-
-
- I have created a new web page called "CYBER-RIGHTS AND
- CYBER-LIBERTIES: Materials related to Internet and the Law"
-
- It is located at the Criminal Justice Studies of the Law
- Faculty of University of Leeds, UK where I am a current MA Research
- student. My research involves freedom of speech and privacy issues on
- the Internet. I cover such issues as pornography, encryption and
- defamation on the Internet in my MA thesis.
-
- The web site will deal with these issues and will concentrate on the
- UK law though current developments in the US (such as the CDA) will
- be covered and there will be links to articles I have written on the
- subject matter and links to relevant web sites. I have also included
- a reading list which will be updated regularly.
-
- I would appreciate if you contact me for non-listed web sites
- (especially UK but all welcome) so that I can develop the relevant
- links and try to create a strong web site dealing with freedom of speech
- and privacy on the Internet.
-
- The address for the web site is:
-
- http://www.leeds.ac.uk/law/pgs/yaman/yaman.htm
-
- Yaman Akdeniz
- lawya@leeds.ac.uk
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:31:00 -0500 (CDT)
- From: David Smith <bladex@BGA.COM>
- Subject: File 5--iStar memo: don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups (fw
- d)
- Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9607082334.A28553-0100000@vern.bga.com>
- MIME-Version: 1.0
- Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
-
-
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
-
- See http://www.efc.ca/pages/isp/istar-memo-03jul96.html
- - - -
-
-
- M E M O R A N D U M
-
- TO: iSTAR Technical Support Staff
-
- FROM: Margo Langford, Corporate & Regulatory Counsel
-
- SUBJECT: USENET News Groups
-
- DATE: July 3, 1996
-
- CC: David Ralston, COO
- Michael Martineau, VP, Engineering
- John Cryer, VP, Western Region
- Steve Doswell, VP, Central Region
- Denis Choquette, VP, Eastern Region
- Eric Carroll, Sr. Director, Network Services
- David Chaloner, Manager, Integration
-
- Please be advised that effective today, we will be enforcing the
- attached policy by deleting the appended list of USENET newsgroups
- from all iSTAR USENET news servers. The attached quote is for public
- distribution, and should be made available on all iSTAR web servers.
-
- Quote
-
- Pursuant to iSTAR internet Inc's policy to prohibit use of the iSTAR
- network for illegal purposes, on the advice of legal counsel, certain
- newsgroups have been deleted as they contain material that contravenes
- the laws of Canada.
-
- iSTAR will not tolerate the use of its network for illegal purposes.
- Any incidence of illegal use reported to iSTAR internet will be
- investigated and the information will be turned over to the
- appropriate authorities. iSTAR reserves the right to cancel a
- customer's account for illegal use of its network, or for interference
- with other users or networks.
-
- Unquote
-
- In specific, we have deleted the following newsgroups per legal counsel.
-
- NOTE
-
- This list is for the information of the technical support staff
- of iSTAR internet only, and is not for general redistribution or
- publishing to the customer base.
-
- Please only give out examples, or confirmation of deleted groups when
- customers ask, but do not otherwise make the full list available.
-
- alt.binaries.warez*
- alt.binaries.pictures.child.erotica.male
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child*
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teens
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.schoolgirls
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.babies
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.cheerleaders
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.fetish.diaper
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.gymnast*
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen*
- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.young
- alt.binaries.lolita.misc
- alt.binaries.pictures.nudism
- alt.binairies.pictures.erotica.teens
- alt.sex.children
- alt.sex.preteens
- alt.sex.pedophilia*
- alt.sex.incest
- alt.sex.babies
- alt.sex.bestiality*
- alt.sex.fetish.diapers
- alt.sex.fetish.tinygirls
- alt.sex.intergen
- alt.sex.masturbation.pictures.female.teen
- alt.sex.necrophilia
- alt.sex.teens
- alt.sex.young
- alt.sex.boys
- alt.sex.girls
- alt.sex.fetish.scat
- alt.sex.sm.fig
- alt.sex.stories.hetero.incest
- alt.sex.watersports
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:41:57 -0500
- From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
- Subject: File 6--Tacoma decides to tax Internet
-
- [From Dave Farber's IP list. More fodder for Rich's state-censorship page,
- I think. -Declan]
-
-
- Tacoma's Internet Tax
-
- News Flash
- The News Tribune on 7-8-96 has a
- <A HREF="http://www.tribnet.com/news/cytax.htm">
- Front Page</A> story on this taxing issue.
-
- The City of Tacoma has sent out <A HREF="city.phtml">demand letters </A>
- to Internet Providers declaring that they are a "Network Telephone
- Service" and are subject to a utility tax. <P>
-
- If you have not received a notice yet, here is the scoop. <P>
-
- This tax is levied at a rate of 6.38% on every dollar of revenue
- derived from a customer located in the city of tacoma. It does not
- matter where YOU are doing business.<P>
-
- This tax was intended to be levied on real utilities such as us west. The
- city of tacoma has expanded the scope to include telephone related services
- such as answering services and pager companies. The have established a
- precident of taxing non telephone companies by getting away with taxing
- them. <P>
-
- The really bad news is that EVERY city in Washington has the ability to
- levy this tax and in fact Bellevue, Seattle and Spokane have already stated
- that if Tacoma is successful they will begin demanding that this tax be
- levied. Every internet provider will be required to report revenues and pay a
- tax based on the zipcode of every customer. <P>
-
- <I>A little history.</I> <P>
-
- My role in this issue started in February of this year while employed in the
- State Senate as an Aid to Sen. Bill Finkbeiner (R-45). It was brought to
- the attention of the Senator by a constituent. <P>
-
- I investigated the story and found out that it was indeed true. My
- conversations with the City of Tacoma were very unproductive. The
- person who came up with this tax idea stated that he could <B>"not let internet
- providers go untaxed" </B>and refused to back off of his plan.<P>
-
- I contacted the <A HREF="dor.phtml">State Department of Revenue</A>
- to find out what there interpretation of law was and they did not agree
- with Tacoma but has no athority over the City.<P>
-
- My next step was to request an opinion from the
- <A HREF="ag.phtml">Attorney Generals'</A> office. I finally received a
- non-answer last week. The AG will not issue an opinion on
- the interpretation because they feel that it is too close of a call and that
- they feel that it will have to be settled in court.<P>
-
- <I>What to do?</I><P>
-
- There are several options available at this point. The first of which should
- be a plea before the City Council. I am willing to organize a group meeting
- with the council, but it will take a strong show of unity to go before them.
- It should consist of several ISP's as well as users. <P>
-
- If you would like to be part of this, either send me
- <A HREF="mailto:vince@web.wa.net">email </A>or you can
- reach me voice at 922-3552 (tacoma) or 878-9282 (seattle). <P>
-
- At this point there is nothing the Senator can do until the next legislative
- session in January.<P>
-
- You can contact Sen. Finbeiner via email at
- <A HREF="mailto:finkbein_bi@leg.wa.gov">finkbein_bi@leg.wa.gov</A><P>
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- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:19:24 -0400
- From: russ@NAVIGATORS.COM(Russ Haynal)
- Subject: File 7--DC-ISOC Event: July 16
-
- The Washington DC Chapter of the Internet Society (DC-ISOC)
- announces its Next Event!
-
- INET '96 Mirror
-
- Tuesday, July 16, 1996, 7:00pm
-
- The Internet Society just held its annual conference, INET '96,
- in Montreal, Canada. This event included over 2500 delegates
- from around the world to discuss the latest Internet developments.
- 200 papers presented at the fifty theme sessions covered issues
- such as world policy, financing, ethics and technical problems.
- Additional information about INET '96 can be found at the
- Internet Society's Home page; http:www.isoc.org
-
- Since many of us did not have the opportunity to attend this event
- in person, the DC-ISOC is organizing an "INET '96 mirror event"
- for a recapping of INET'96.
-
- D.C.-area ISOC members who attended the INET '96 will share their
- impressions and insight from this global event. D.C.-area ISOC members
- who attended INET '96 are invited to contact Ross Stapleton-Gray at
- director@embassy.org to confirm your participation in the our INET'96
- Mirror event (do not reply to this message).
-
- Additionally, NASA may provide a brief overview of a meeting to be held
- the following week. The subject: "Live from Mars--the Virtual Conference"
- show which is being sponsored by NASA and the National Science Foundation.
- The actual show will take place on Saturday, July 20th and will consist of 2
- teachers from every state in the U.S. The general public will view the
- show via television and the Internet.
-
- The INET '96 Mirror event will be held from 7-9 pm, July 16th, at NASA
- Headquarters, Washington DC. Attendance will be on a first-come,
- first-seated basis, though we expect that there should be room for all
- those interested.
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- Directions:
- NASA Headquarters, 300 E St. SW, Washington, DC
- Main Auditorium (Enter through the East Lobby Entrance)
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- Via Metro: Federal Center (South)
- Upon Exiting the Metro station, turn right
- Walk under the overpass
- Turn right to NASA Headquarters
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- Individuals who are interested in becoming members of DC-ISOC can do so
- by joining the Internet Society. See their web site at
- http://www.isoc.org for more information.
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- site at: http://www.dcisoc.org Please feel free to pass this announcement
- message along to other interested individuals. If this message was
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- ________________________________________
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