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- Computer underground Digest Sun Jun 2, 1996 Volume 8 : Issue 41
- ISSN 1004-042X
-
- Editor: Jim Thomas (cudigest@sun.soci.niu.edu)
- News Editor: Gordon Meyer (gmeyer@sun.soci.niu.edu)
- Archivist: Brendan Kehoe
- Shadow Master: Stanton McCandlish
- Field Agent Extraordinaire: David Smith
- Shadow-Archivists: Dan Carosone / Paul Southworth
- Ralph Sims / Jyrki Kuoppala
- Ian Dickinson
- Cu Digest Homepage: http://www.soci.niu.edu/~cudigest
-
- CONTENTS, #8.41 (Sun, Jun 2, 1996)
-
- File 1--Response to Lance Rose (in re CuD 8.39)
- File 2--It's watermelon season on the Internet, cops alarmed! (fwd)
- File 3--Request: DC-ISOC Meeting Location
- File 4--Update on CDA, copyright, crypto (5/29/96)
- File 5--(Fwd) The Usenet/etc Stonewall over rec.music.white-power vote
- File 6--FW: American Reporter v. Reno
- File 7--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 7 Apr, 1996)
-
-
- CuD ADMINISTRATIVE, EDITORIAL, AND SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION ApPEARS IN
- THE CONCLUDING FILE AT THE END OF EACH ISSUE.
-
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: 31 May 1996 02:35:14 GMT
- From: skg@SADR.COM(Keith Graham)
- Subject: File 1--Response to Lance Rose (in re CuD 8.39)
-
- Cu Digest <TK0JUT2@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU> writes:
-
- >Lance Rose <72230.2044@CompuServe.COM> writes:
-
- >How deeply are CDA opponents getting lost in the hype? Check this
- >out: One of their arguments against the CDA is that it wrongly
- >seeks to impose the "indecency" standard from television -- a
- >"pervasive" medium -- on the supposedly non-"pervasive" Internet.
-
- >[....] Whoa --
- >let's circle back to the top now. Isn't an indecency standard of
- >some sort very much in place for television today? And isn't
- >television a hugely popular mass medium, at the very center of U.S.
- >and other societies?
-
- Cable TV channels, such as HBO, not to mention the various "Adult"
- channels, do not adhere to this standard. TV is "pervasive" because it is
- broadcast and there are TV's in most homes. BROADCAST TV is also
- a scarce resource (in that only so many TV channels can operate
- in a given area), so the government has an interest in keeping it
- of the highest possible quality. (Please no comments on their
- success or lack thereof. :-)
-
- Your argument is fundamentally flawed. TV is scarce and pervasive;
- cable eliminates the scarcity, and is so not restricted. The
- Internet eliminates the scarcity and possible the pervasiveness,
- and therefore argueably should not be restricted.
-
- On Encryption:
-
- >[....] It is used to hide
- >a message right in someone else's face. [cops and robbers
- >"scenario" deleted]
-
- The problem is, discounting the subject of Key Escrow, encryption
- is used to keep the operator of the chat system I might want to
- use from listening in when I talk to my wife when I'm travelling
- on business. There are lots of people with network sniffers that
- have access to my messages; why should I not prevent them from
- doing so if it might be even vaguely important? (For example, the
- fact that I'm on the road might be useful if someone wanted to
- assault my wife.) Encryption is, usually, not about cops and robbers.
-
- As to Key Escrow, why should I cripple my encryption system to
- allow the government to access my historical communications? It
- is a fact of life that some tools in the law enforcement regime
- become outdated due to advances in technology. Wire taps, in their
- pure form, will probably be one of these outdated technologies. In
- exchange, they gain access to lists of sites you connect to;
- electronic financial records; online police databases; and secure
- police communications between officers and command and control
- facilities not to mention DNA analysis and the rest of the advantages
- of modern technology. Overall, the police's capabilities will be
- greatly expanding in the near term future; why give them yet another
- weapon in the arsonal when it will potentially greatly compromise
- American corporate security and citizen's privacy?
-
- >[Copyright]
-
- I'll leave this for a future discussion, but since we're all
- going to be coypright holders and publishers, I think the critically
- important thing will be for the laws to be reasonable, understandable,
- able to be followed, and fair. (Whatever all of those mean.) Right
- now, copyright law is so out of touch with how the Web (or Usenet
- news) works, that we are all probably breaking the law. I think we
- need to make sure that whatever changes are added to the law are
- in everyone's best interest; and some of the changes I've seen aren't.
-
- For example, if I "copy" a program to my hard disk, and then run it
- by copying it into RAM 50 times, how many copies have I made? 1?
- 50? If the program cost $1000, and the answer is 50, then I am liable
- for huge civil fines and possibly jail time under criminal "mass copyright
- violation/piracy" laws. But if the answer is 1, then I'm subject to much
- smaller fines and no jail time. Which is, IMO, the intent
- of the copyright law. And what if I copy a program to my hard
- disk, but don't ever run it. Is that a violation of the law?
-
- In the meantime, some big media interests are also trying to increase
- the copyright term on existing works by 20 years. Unless you hold
- stock in one of these companies, that just means that it will be
- 20 more years before you can, say, get free copies of newspaper
- articles about WWI online. (Or use music, photos, art, and stories
- from the 1920's as backgrounds and accents to your Web page.) We
- won't mention the cost to church choirs, etc. that aren't in any
- way associated with the 'net. This looks like bad law.
-
- Keith Graham
- skg@sadr.com
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:27:18 -0500
- From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
- Subject: File 2--It's watermelon season on the Internet, cops alarmed! (fwd)
-
- From--eye5@interlog.com (eye WEEKLY)
- Newsgroups--eye.news,alt.culture.internet,alt.journalism
- Date--22 May 1996 21:09:52 -0400
-
- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- eye WEEKLY May 23, 1996
- Toronto's arts newspaper .....free every Thursday
- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- EYENET EYENET
-
- BE AFRAID! IT'S WATERMELON SEASON!
-
- by
- K.K. "Fish License" CAMPBELL
-
- Over 20 years ago Monty Python's John Cleese warned citizens about
- violent criminals using fresh fruit as weapons. People only sneered.
- Today, Cleese has been vindicated with Edmonton's "Fruitabomber."
-
- Someone is blowing up the watermelons of Edmonton.
-
- And the Internet is to blame.
-
- Here's the lead from The Edmonton Sun story of May 17: "The culprit
- who blew apart a bus shelter with an explosives-packed watermelon
- detonated a second fruit bomb just moments later, city police revealed
- yesterday.
-
- "The so-called Fruitabomber has cops fearing a rash of citywide melon-
- bombings, and police are asking markets to keep an eye peeled for
- young men buying large pieces of fruit."
-
- Sun reporter Steve Tilley says the police warn this could just be the
- "beginning of a reign of exploding fruit terror."
-
- The Edmonton cops are "convinced" the Fruitabomber learned his Molotov
- Melon craft from the net. They don't reveal how they figured that out,
- unfortunately. They must read alt.bombs.watermelons.
-
- Then comes the standard crime sheet quote: "We certainly are very
- concerned about certain types of information available on the
- Internet, because it is so easily accessible to people who have a
- computer and that interest level."
-
- And easy access to watermelons, too. Don't forget that.
-
- On May 10, The Calgary Herald reported some 14-year-old moron living
- in a shithole Cowtown burb blew off the tip of his left thumb while
- fooling around with some explosives. The cops also immediately knew he
- got the recipe from the net. (They don't say if he also got the
- "gunpowder and carbon dioxide cartridge" from the net, too.)
-
- After being served this shocking story, causing middle-class Moms to
- clutch at their pearls, we are treated to unrelated Calgary bomb
- facts: on April 29, a parcel bomb exploded at the Calgary Jewish
- Centre; there were 14 bomb incidents in 1994, and 32 in 1995; and in
- 1995, four teens used a "home-made pipe bomb" (as opposed to a Radio
- Shack pipe-bomb, I suppose) to blow up a teddy bear. A teddy bear!
-
- On May 11, The Calgary Sun renewed its call for net.cops: "something"
- has to "be done" to the net.
-
- David Jones (djones@efc.ca), president of Electronic Frontier Canada,
- Canada's cyber-rights watchdog, is familiar with such press antics.
-
- "For some reason, reporters didn't call anyone at the Calgary high
- school near the explosions, where principal Del Hack says model
- rockets are used as a demonstration in science class," Jones told
- eyeNet. "It's easier to blame the Internet."
-
- Jones finds it particularly ironic to see these Champions of Child
- Morality scratching their scalps in bewilderment at just what could
- make teens want to make things explode. The powerful minds of the
- press corps can only conclude it has to be something about the net and
- they nod sadly at each other as they call for the cops -- while the
- sky above them lights up with Victoria Day rockets and firecrackers.
-
- You can find Jones' editorial comment at
- http://www.efc.ca/pages/pr/boom.html . EFC is at http://www.efc.ca .
-
- The EFC site also features the relevant articles from Alberta (using
- groovy ol' gopher to store them):
-
- gopher://insight.mcmaster.ca/00/org/efc/media/calgary-herald.10may96
- gopher://insight.mcmaster.ca/00/org/efc/media/calgary-sun.11may96
- gopher://insight.mcmaster.ca/00/org/efc/media/edmonton-sun.17may96a
- gopher://insight.mcmaster.ca/00/org/efc/media/edmonton-sun.17may96b
-
- I made clear my position on this issue in print (May 25 1995 --
- http://www.eye.net/News/Eyenet/1995/net0525.htm) as well as on TV.
-
- On May 16 last year, I was on CBC's Face Off and displayed an
- explosive recipe exactly like that used in the Oklahoma City bombing.
- I had just photocopied it from the Encyclopeadia Brittanica at the
- Metro Reference library. For a buck.
-
- eyeNet still embraces the slogan we raised then: "Allan Rock! Regulate
- Them Damn Libraries Now!"
-
- First anniversary congrats -- you dopes
-
- The most quoted/republished eyeNet was about the DeathNET website.
-
- It traced step-by-step how The Calgary Sun essentially fabricated a
- story about "suicide tips for teens" on the Internet.
-
- This wasn't the "Janet Cooke model" of news fabrication -- a straight
- creative-writing-class fantasy (she wrote an about an 8-year-old smack
- addict, was given a Pulitzer, then was revealed as a fraud); this
- brand of fabrication involves an editor getting a story idea, finding
- the story doesn't actually exist (outside his brain), and so scraping
- together vaguely related gunk, which he then bundles under a bold
- headline screaming his original story idea.
-
- It's supermarket tabloid journalism: papers whose headlines are always
- better than the actual stories.
-
- In the case of the DeathNET fabrication, it was picked up around the
- world as truth, making DeathNET webmaster John Hofsess a victim of
- shithole net journalism.
-
- The DeathNET story ran May 11, 1995
- (http://www.eye.net/News/Eyenet/1995/net0511.htm).
-
- To celebrate the anniversary of that story, on May 11, 1996, The
- Calgary Sun wrote an editorial calling, again, for censorship. The
- reason last time was the evil net was helping teens snuff themselves;
- now the evil net is helping teens blow themselves up.
-
- Blow themselves up real good.
-
- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:57:40 -0400
- From: russ@NAVIGATORS.COM(Russ Haynal)
- Subject: File 3--Request: DC-ISOC Meeting Location
-
- Greetings from the DC Chapter of the Internet Society.
- ( http://www.dcisoc.org )
-
- We have held several very successful events during our first 1.5 years. Our
- meetings have been attended by hundreds of people from industry,
- government and the academic sectors. These meetings have also featured top
- speakers, covered timely topics, and have always been free and open to the
- public.
-
- We are looking forward to expanding our activities to help support the
- Internet's successful growth, but we require your assistance.
-
- Specifically, the DC chapter of the Internet Society (DCISOC) needs one or
- more meeting sites for future events.
-
- Requirements/preferences include:
-
- seating for several hundred people
- convenient to major highways
- convenient/free parking
- Metro access
- quality projection equipment and facilities
- Internet access
- no charge for use by non-profit organizations
- ability to reliably reserve room several months in advance
- etc.
-
- Organizations offering meeting facilities would contribute to
- the Washington, DC Internet community and industry, and would
- host meeting(s) addressing local/regional/national/international
- Internet issues.
-
- If you know of any appropriate meeting locations (with a point of contact)
- please reply to Ross Stapleton-Gray at director@embassy.org,
- (ie. do not reply to this message)
-
- Thanks in advance,
-
- Russ Haynal
- (DC-ISOC Membership/treasurer)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:31:51 -0700 (PDT)
- From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
- Subject: File 4--Update on CDA, copyright, crypto (5/29/96)
-
- ON THE CDA:
-
- Folks involved in the case expect a decision within the next week from the
- Philadelphia three-judge panel hearing our challenge to the CDA. The DoJ
- has a few weeks to appeal to the Supreme Court if they lose.
-
- -------------------------------------------------------
-
- ON COPYRIGHT:
-
- Regarding the online copyright legislation, there's plenty of action on
- the Hill -- and contrary to what I thought a week ago, there's even a
- fighting chance that this bill will happen this year.
-
- So far, full Senate judiciary and the House judiciary intellectual
- property subcommittee have held hearings.
-
- The House has taken the lead here, and the tentative date for the
- subcommittee markup of HR2441 is June 5. (It was to have been last week,
- but was cancelled at the last minute when no agreement was reached.)
-
- The Senate seems to be waiting to see what the House does before making
- any sudden moves. General feeling is that the legislation was on a fast
- schedule but has been slowed down considerably because of ongoing
- controvery over OSP liability and (especially) section 1201.
-
- The big snarl is over 1201, and some alliances of convenience are breaking
- down. More to the point, libraries are finally mobilizing grassroots
- opposition.
-
- Brock has a piece about this in last week's Muckraker on HotWired.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------
-
- ON CRYPTO:
-
- The National Research Council's report on crypto policy will be unveiled
- tomorrow at the National Press Club at 1 pm in Washington, DC. I'm going
- to try my best to be there.
-
- From their web page at <http://www2.nas.edu/cstbweb/>:
-
- The Computer Science and Telecommunications Board (CSTB) of the
- National Research Council (NRC) has completed a congressionally
- mandated study of national cryptography policy. The final report,
- Cryptography's Role in Securing the Information Society, will be
- released to the public on May 30, 1996 at a public briefing. A large
- number of the authoring committee members will attend.
-
- Thanks to John Young for this pointer to the original September 1994
- announcement of the NRC National Cryptography Project at:
-
- http://www.wpi.edu/~ryant/ncp.html
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 19:06:11 GMT
- From: tallpaul <tallpaul@nyc.pipeline.com>
- Subject: File 5--(Fwd) The Usenet/etc Stonewall over rec.music.white-power vote
-
- The post below was originally sent privately to Mike Handler (the vote
- taker for "rec.music.white-power") and to David Lawrence of
- USENET.uunet on May 21. Almost simultaneously, Michael Handler
- announced that the vote on RMW-P was finished and had been sent to
- David Lawrence where he anticipated it would be "posted shortly."
-
- My original intent was to give people a week or so to respond in
- detail, preferably by finishing the vote counting and posting the
- results, basis for the results, and voters in the proper USENET/uunet
- form.
-
- That week has gone by and this has not happened.
-
- Worse, the vote results have still not been posted. Most votes are
- counted, tabulated, explained and posted within two or three days after
- the voting is over. The vote counting for RMW-P took over two months,
- and the results are still not posted even though a week has passed.
-
- In short, the stonewall over RMW-P continues.
-
- The process has taken so long, another proposal on nazi-ism has come up
- for discussion and is approaching the period when another CALL FOR
- VOTES could be published.
-
- People have a right to know why Dave Lawrence and others have delayed
- the announcement. People have the right to have Lawrence and others
- follow the fundamental procedures they established.
-
- And now people should demand to know why the stonewall occurred and to
- have access to the all of the data/discussions on the Unix Volunteer
- Votetaker discussion lists, by UVV forces, and by all others involved
- in any way with the RMW-P vote in the post-vote period.
-
- --tallpaul (Paul Kneisel)
-
- * * *
-
- To--handler@netaxs.com
- Subject--On the delay over "rec.music.white-power"
- From--tallpaul@nyc.pipeline.com(tallpaul)
- Cc--tale@uunet.uu.net
- X-PipeUser--tallpaul
- X-PipeHub--nyc.pipeline.com
- X-PipeGCOS--(tallpaul)
- X-Mailer--Pipeline v3.5.0
-
- Dear David and Michael,
-
- I am writing to you concerning issues raised in several hundred
- posts to the USENET new group "news.groups" concerning the lack
- of information on the vote for the creation of the news group
- "rec.music.white-power". As you know it has been over two months
- since the vote deadline and little to no information has been
- formally posted from either of you.
-
- The background to the RMW-P proposal was explicitly political on
- the part of the cybernazis. Before they submitted the initial
- REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) to create the group they had
- elsewhere announced their intention to move off of the "alt"
- USENET hierarchy into the more respectable news groups.
-
- The political background was further demonstrated when they
- published their original RFD to their STORMFRONT-L discussion
- list.
-
- Both of these actions struck me as the normal course of events.
- Any political group (regardless where on the political spectrum
- it resides) naturally tends to propagate their ideas.
-
- You are, I believe, aware that I played a major role in urging
- people to vote against the creation of RMW-P. Opposition to the
- group's creation was divided into two factions. One, exemplified
- by people like R. Graves, opposed the group on technical USENET
- grounds and disclaimed any political opposition to RMW-P. The
- other group of which I was a member openly opposed a political
- organizing effort with a political counter effort.
-
- These various efforts naturally produced a large voter turnout,
- even leaving aside the possibility of forged votes from any side
- (or any lone nut seeming to support one side or another.) The
- various organizing efforts also produced considerable
- controversy, as is to be expected in any political organizing
- effort. Issues like the Joe Fraud spam to inappropriate
- discussion lists like "CHOCOLATE LOVERS," and the confusion over
- the nature/identity of Mr. Fraud naturally increased the
- controversy.
-
- Under such circumstances, it seemed reasonable to me that you
- would make a *special* effort to avoid any sense of impropriety
- that could be interpreted as supporting either side. "Net loons"
- like Gruborsey already widely post libelous material about both
- secret and open cabals that somehow control the internet in
- general and USENET/uunet in particular. It is likely that other
- individual "loons" seeming to reflect the views of either Kleim,
- Graves, or myself would have come forward under any
- circumstances. But, had the normal proprieties been adhered to in
- the post-vote period the *vast* majority of net users would, I am
- sure, have dismissed all of the complaints as openly cranky.
-
- The need for strict adherence to regular USENET announcement
- procedures was also heightened by the recent strong more-than-
- appearance issue of massive vote fraud around the creation of the
- Kashmir news group. The failure to follow normal procedure and
- openly post the names of the people who voted in the Kashmiri
- RESULTS announcement further heightened concerns all around.
-
- But instead of making the *special* effort to avoid the
- appearance of any impropriety, you have stepped back, and moved
- away from even the past normal (and technologically obsolete)
- procedures.
-
- Normal results of the vote on the creation of new groups seem to
- be posted within two or three days after the vote deadline
- passes. I think most people involved in the RMW-P discussion,
- regardless of faction, knew that the vote turnout would be
- unusually large.
-
- You could have, after two or three days, formally posted messages
- to this effect on "news.groups" and elsewhere, letting people
- know that the formal results announcement would be delayed.
-
- You did not.
-
- You could have made routine posts to "news.groups" about your
- activities concerning the delayed result announcement.
-
- You did not.
-
- All of these things strike me as normal procedure in handling
- unusual administrative problems, whether occurring on the net or
- off. In particular, extra efforts could have been made before the
- vote deadline to facilitate vote counting. After all, when one
- house catches on fire the local engine company responds; when an
- entire city block catches on fire the local engine company calls
- for reinforcements. It does not try to fight the fire alone.
-
- As you know I do not like cybernazi Milton Kleim. On this 50th
- anniversary of the international war crimes tribunal I would
- cheerfully observe Kleim hanging from a gallows (after all of his
- legal rights under the war crimes laws were observed.) Should,
- though I can't imagine why in this space/time continuum it would
- occur, I ended up shaking hands with Kleim I would immediately
- count my fingers afterward. But I can recognize that Kleim has a
- certain human/animalistic quality. By this I mean that when
- sleepy he tends to sleep, when hungry he tends to eat, and when
- proposing a news group he wants to see the vote results. His
- concern over the vote results thus has a certain reasonable
- character to it.
-
- So does the concern of the others who have posted material to
- "news.groups" about the delay in the vote results.
-
- In effect you have ignored the concerns in the hundreds of posts
- presented to "news.groups" about RMW-P after the vote deadline
- passed. These concerns have also occurred in people who have not
- generally posted their concerns there. I have received a large
- number of messages via e-mail from people who voted against RMW-P
- and who were also concerned about the vote delay. I counselled
- patience on their part and suggested that they not post any
- additional material to "news.groups". But pressure on me was at
- times considerable. As we move into the third post-vote deadline
- month this pressure has increased. So, I think, has the concern
- of many other net citizens.
-
- It was once said that "Caesar can do whatever he wants but
- Caesar's wife must be beyond reproach."
-
- The informal "leakage" of information on the vote from the
- proverbial informal but "usually reliable sources" does not help.
- We first heard that some 10,000 votes were cast, then that the
- vote was close to a record-breaker, and finally that it broke the
- record by a factor of roughly two. But this information was not
- official. If inaccurate it will only increase the controversy
- when accurate information is posted. If accurate it will only
- increase the controversy about the refusal for so long to provide
- official information. And indeed, if inaccurate will nonetheless
- be taken as accurate by many and thus feed the already
- controversial speculation about vote fraud. In a sense, the long
- delay has moved some people from unreasonable speculation on the
- post-vote process to speculation that is very reasonable.
-
- Chief among the data here is Kleim's post citing the e-message he
- received from M. Handler the vote taker on April 16 that the vote
- had been virtually completed and would likely be sent off that
- night. (M. Kleim to "news.groups," May 1, 01:35.)
-
- Most reasonable people would, I believe, conclude that Kleim lies
- routinely on political matters, as I think R. Graves and others
- have documented. But Kleim is not the proverbial Cretin of
- Philosophy 101 logic lectures who *always* lies. I do not believe
- that Kleim lied in this matter nor invented/forged the post he
- cites.
-
- Consequently, the delay in the vote announcement coupled with the
- long formal refusal to respond to complaints, can only greatly
- exacerbate the various concerns and controversy I mentioned
- above.
-
- Indeed, the long official refusal to announce the vote results,
- announce reasons for the delay, or even respond to the post vote
- complaints threatens to do severe, perhaps even irreparable
- damage to a vote procedure long overdue for rehaul and to parts
- of the internet in general.
-
- I believe that all of the net citizens are due an explanation of
- what happened with the vote and what the vote takers have been
- doing during their period of long silence. I believe the
- explanation is, in fact, long overdue. The more-than-two-month
- period of official silence has created a controversy that will
- never die regardless of how detailed the explanation. The silence
- has, rather only increased the need for a far greater, more
- detailed explanation for the period of silence.
-
- Falling such an immediate explanation, I believe the controversy
- will only increase to the detriment of the internet, the
- "news.group" creation process, and uunet.
-
- Sincerely,
-
- tallpaul@nyc.pipeline.com (Paul Kneisel)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 21:25:32 PDT
- From: Jonathan Blumen <us003275@pop3.interramp.com>
- Subject: File 6--FW: American Reporter v. Reno
-
- ---------------Original Message---------------
-
- American Reporter v. Reno -- The Final Arguments
-
- The Importance of SLAC Value
-
- NEW YORK (June 3)--The dark skies opened up and poured down on the
- city as the lawyers for the American Reporter v. Reno met for the
- final arguments in the massive federal courtroom on Pearl Street.
- Although the proceedings fell flat in the shadow of a high-energy
- finale in Philadelphia a few weeks prior, this parallel summation
- had its moments--some enlightening, others interesting, and others
- comic.
-
- There were perhaps twenty or thirty people in the courtroom watching
- as Randall Boe, the lawyer for the plantiff, battled it out with
- government attorney William Hoffman. Boe began by stressing that
- since there are no real ways to comply with the safe harbor
- defenses, the CDA constiutes a flat ban on speech that is
- constitutionally protected for adults. He argued that the definition
- of indecency sweeps far too broadly, including works of merit such
- as Joyce's Ulysses and Miller's Tropic of Cancer.
-
- Judges Cabranes and Cote both asked Boe if he would concede the
- statue's constitutionality with regards to commercial providers,
- suggesting that they might decide to uphold just a part of the
- statute. Boe responded that he didn't know if this was possible,
- saying that the intentions of the government seemed to be clear--"to
- eliminate all indecent material from the Net".
-
- Boe then pointed out that the government tried to calm fears by
- saying it would prosecute only those who "intend to shock or
- offend". This does not offer much consolation, he argued, as
- artists ply their trade with the explicit intention of shocking or
- offending--"it is a part of the creative process. That is why," he
- said "indecency has always been upheld by the First Amendment."
-
- Judge Cote said that with regards to the tagging system proposed by
- Olsen, "the government is asking us to make a leap of faith into the
- future, by accepting this defense today." Boe responded that most
- people don't look to the possibilty of being acquitted, but the
- possibility of prosecution. And with no clear defense that actually
- works, he argued, there will be a huge chilling effect as people
- purge their servers. Boe continually hammered home the point that
- tagging pages today does nothing.
-
- He also discussed the problem of judging indecency according to
- local communnity standards and declared that under this law a
- national standard will indeed develop--based on the lowest common
- denominator, the most restrictive community.
-
- Hoffman started with an argument that was heard in Philadelphia--the
- plantiff is overreacting. "The number of items for which the
- government would prosecute which would cause a constitutional
- challenge is small." He argued that the context of these items is
- important. He also addressed Boe's assertion that the government
- did not have a compelling interest, saying that these indecent
- materials are easily accessible. "Children can get it. They can be
- surprised by it."
-
- Cabranes was intent on having terms defined. He asked if "patently
- offensive" meant "indecent"; he wanted to know if "indecent" was the
- same as "harmful to minors"; he asked if "sexully explicit" was
- equivalent to "patently offensive." Hoffman danced around with
- answers that could be translated as "sort of."
-
- Boe then got up for his final encore and raised the point that even
- the expensive, most effective means of determining age--credit card
- and Adult ID systems--are useless in the huge and largely ignored
- realms of the Internet such as Usenet and IRC. He then touched upon
- the fact that pejoratively labelling one's speech may not even be
- constitutional, reiterated that tagging systems do not even work
- today, and concluded that there is no way for an average user to
- avoid prosecution.
-
- "The bottom line," he said, "is that it starts as a total ban for
- indecent communications between adults. Then there are no real
- defenses provided."
-
- Not long after Hoffman started into his final arguments Cabranes
- stopped him to ask him, "With the possible exception of email, there
- is no way to be 100% sure that indecent material does not get to
- people under 18?" Hoffman added something about limited membership
- email lists, obliquely conceding the point.
-
- Cabranes asked directly if the statute minus the defenses was
- unconstitutional. Hoffman danced around then admitted that "given
- the current state of technology it would be hard to argue that it's
- not a total ban."
-
- Cabranes followed, "The question is whether the affirmative defenses
- can save the statute". Hoffman answered with something about the
- Supreme Court's decisions concerning telephones and how this was
- "not unprecedented".
-
- Hoffman's argument was periodically distracted by a small,
- distincive click, echoing throughout the massive hall. On the back
- bench by the doors sat a large, bearded guard, slowly, deliberately
- trimming his nails. He clipped away and Chris Hansen, lawyer for
- the ACLU, finally turned his head and increduously whispered, "is he
- clipping his fingers or his toes?" Hoffman was not distracted, but
- talked about the government being compelled to action... *click*
- ... The guard was looking down into his hands, oblivious to the
- important and high-minded arguments in front of him. And then
- Hoffman was finished.
-
- In his deep, raspy voice Cabranes then called Fred Cherry, who had
- attended every day of the hearings in hopes of consolidating his
- case. The chief judge looked at a paper and pronounced Cherry's
- name again. Someone leaned over the seats and tapped Cherry. He
- awoke, arose, gathered his plastic bags and umbrella and, wearing
- his overcoat, approached the bench.
- He walked straight to the microphone and rested his belongings at
- his feet. Cherry started his hurried talk about how he "despised
- the ACLU" and what he was there to discuss "goes all the way back 30
- years." He cited "rule 54 B--'B'as in 'Benjamin'".
-
- Cabranes finally interrupted to determine that Cherry did in fact
- want to consolidate his case. Both parties agreed and that was
- that.
-
- "Can I give a little evidence here?" Cherry asked. He came
- prepared, with lots of arguments and stacks of evidence.
-
- "Not a little evidence," Cabranes responded. "Just a few comments."
-
- Cherry offered a document into the record then referred to an email
- message that was presented on the first day of testimony that
- involved his comments. It was pulled from the "alt.christnet"
- newsgroup and said something about "fags" and "jesus". Cherry
- wanted to set the record straight and said he was going way back,
- back to an early message posted by another that was titled, "What
- Size Is Christ". He then lauched into a story about Christ,
- appearing 900 feet tall, as compared to another one which was
- supposedly 500 feet tall.
-
- The nail clipping had disappeared and all that could be heard was a
- strange, involved fiction, transparently suggesting Christ's penis
- size and lewd acts of fellatio with the Lord and Orel Roberts. Some
- were shaking with laughter; one lawyer at the plantiff's table
- turned his chair and removed his glasses, wiping tears from his
- eyes. Fred Cherry, the "connoi-ssewer of porn", summed up his
- evidence and thanked the judges for the time to speak.
-
- It was not clear whether Cherry intended to shock or offend. All at
- once, it seemed all too apparent that it didn't matter--such speech
- would be found indecent under the CDA, even though it does have
- serious literary, artistic, or comedic value.
-
-
-
- Mark Mangan
- markm@bway.net
- co-author,
- Sex, Laws, and Cyberspace (Henry Holt, 1996)
- http://www.spectacle.org/freespch
-
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