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- Network Working Group Bernard P. Cosell
- Request For Comments # 386 David C. Walden
- NIC # 11358 Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
- Categories: August 16, 1972
- Updates:
- Obsoletes:
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- LETTER TO TIP USERS -- 2
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- This is the second letter to TIP users. The first was RFC #365.
- There will be more letters to TIP users as they seem to us to be a
- good way to keep you informed about what's going on. We suggest you
- keep these letters with your TIP User's Guide (TUG) as we will use the
- letters to provide documentation of TIP system changes which are made
- before we can get TUG revisions printed and distributed. (It is almost
- inevitable that the TUG revisions follow actual system changes.
- Further- more, these letters will allow us more discussion of new
- commands than in TUG.)
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- Some of the changes we will be making to the TIP have been
- suggested by TIP users. We won't bother with acknowledg- ments.
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- The @PROTOCOL TO LOGIN and @PROTOCOL TO CLOSE BOTH commands will
- be removed very soon. We presume no one uses these commands any more
- since they have been replaced by @LOGIN and @CLOSE.
-
- As we warned in TIP Letter 1, the @LOGIN command will be given a
- parameter soon, the Host number up to now given with the @HOST
- command. At the same time, @HOST will be changed so it does a
- simultaneous @RECEIVE FROM HOST and @SEND TO HOST. Presently, @HOST
- is the same as @SEND TO HOST.
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- Several changes will be made to the @TRANSMIT commands very soon.
- First @TRANSMIT ON NO CHARACTERS and @TRANSMIT ON EVERY CHARACTER will
- be removed. Their functions will be covered by the other @TRANSMIT
- commands. @TRANSMIT NOW will continue to function as at present; it
- will cause the one message presently being accumulated to be sent as
- soon as possible. @TRANSMIT ON LINEFEED and @TRANSMIT ON MESSAGE-END
- will continue to cause the message being accumulated to be sent on
- linefeed and CONTROL-S. However, they will additionally cause the
- message being accumulated to be sent when the character buffer is
- almost full. Thus, it will no longer be necessary to give a @TRANSMIT
- EVERY <big number> with @TRANSMIT ON LINEFEED and @TRANSMIT ON
- MESSAGE-END. @TRANSMIT EVERY # will continue to cause the message
- being accumulated to be sent as near as possible to every #th
- character. However, values of # which are bigger than the size of the
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- input buffer will cause transmission when the buffer is almost full;
- and a value of 0 for # will reset the terminal to its initial setting
- -- TRANSMIT-ON-LINEFEED mode off, TRANSMIT ON MESSAGE- END mode off,
- and transmitting every character. Thus, TRANSMIT EVERY 0 has the
- effect of the removed @TRANSMIT ON NO CHARACTER command, and @TRANSMIT
- EVERY 1 has the effect of the removed @TRANSMIT ON EVERY CHARACTER
- command.
-
- There are two ways outside of letters and the telephone to
- communicate your suggestions and complaints to us: log into BBN-TENEX
- and SNDMSG to WALDEN or use the NIC Journal system to send a message
- to DCW3. Dave likes letters best, incidentally.
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- We are going to remove the "NEWS" herald from the TIP's HELLO
- message. The problem is that we don't know when everybody has read the
- latest news so that we can turn off the herald. Therefore, we can't
- turn it off. Therefore, it is useless. Check the NEWS every time you
- use the TIP. If once the news begins printing you discover you have
- already seen it, you can stop it by typing @CLOSE _LF_ (on a 2741 hit
- "attention" first).
-
- A new TIP message will have been added by the time you get this
- letter, the message TIP GOING DOWN. This message will be printed on
- every TIP terminal shortly before the TIP is taken down for preventive
- maintenance, new software releases, etc. (see RFC #381 for further
- discussion of this topic). When this message is printed, all TIP users
- should cleanly stop what they are doing with a Host. Eventually, this
- message will include information on how long until the TIP will go
- down, for how long it will be down, and why.
-
- While we are on the subject of TIP messages, let us mention that
- we will be adding a number of new messages which we believe will
- remove some of the present confusion about what the TIP is doing.
- Unfortunately, we don't have the space to store the message text
- strings, so, we will use numbers for the new messages. The format of
- these messages will probably be something like M46 for message 46.
- Perhaps when the TIPs get more core we can replace the number-messages
- by text-messages.
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- We are thinking of changing all the TIP LOGIN commands to OPEN
- commands which would be more opposite to the CLOSE commands and not so
- liable to confusion with Host LOGIN.
-
- On page 12 of the TUG is a description of how Hosts can send
- commands to a TIP terminal. Be warned, if you decide to use this
- facility, that we are changing the TIP command language slowly and we
- will not be constrained in these changes by the fact that some Hosts
- are sending TIP commands. Therefore, if a Host is going to send a
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- command to a TIP it ought to implement this in a manner that can be
- changed easily.
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- Some TIP users have been seeing the following problem. They are
- communicating with a Host when suddenly they get the message DEAD. If
- they try to LOGIN to the Host again they do not get the DEAD message,
- but the Host refuses to allow the LOGIN by either doing nothing,
- closing, or refusing. The problem was that occasionally the network
- partitioned briefly; for instance, one of the two cross-country lines
- was down and the other got flaky for a few seconds. If, during a
- period when the network is partitioned, a TIP user sends a message to
- a Host which cannot be reached, the TIP types DEAD and closes the
- connection to the Host. The Host, on the other hand, may not have been
- trying to send to the TIP when the network partitioned; in that case
- it might not have noticed that the network partitioned and therefore
- still thinks it has an open connection to the TIP. When the TIP then
- tries to re-LOGIN to the Host, the Host refuses because it already has
- an open connection with that particular TIP device.
-
- Now that we have three independent cross-country paths we do not
- expect this problem to occur often, but if it does we see no
- short-term solution. We can't just let a CLOSE reset the connection
- since the user's immediately preceeding LOGIN destroyed the Host
- supplied socket numbers. One can get out of this state by executing
- the Host/Host protocol command from the TIP which resets _all_ TIP
- users at the given TIP talking to the given Host; but this is a little
- gross. What is maybe needed is a Host/Host protocol command to reset
- the Host's connections with a particular user (TIP) socket; we will
- try to understand the ramifications of such a command and perhaps
- undertake promotion of a Host/Host protocol change. In the meantime,
- frequently when the above problem happens some other TIP terminal can
- still LOGIN to the Host and then halt the hung terminal's job from the
- Host side. If it is not possible to get through on another
- connection, a telephone call to the Host, asking them to log the job
- out, may be necessary. Or, if there is really no other user talking to
- the particular Host, the reset command can be executed -- this command
- is not documented but we will tell a responsible person at each TIP
- site how to execute the command.
-
- There is a problem related to the above problem which some TIP
- users have seen. Occasionally, an IMP crashes somewhere in the network
- and takes a packet of a message along with it. Eventually, the source
- of the message gets an incomplete transmission message from the
- network. When the TIP gets this message, it closes the connection and
- calls the destination dead. This is what most other Hosts do also, we
- understand. A more reasonable thing to do might be to retransmit the
- message or to tell the user and then let him continue; we would like
- to do one of these. But before retransmission or letting the user
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- continue, the TIP and Host's allocate counters must be resynchronized.
- However, there is no Host/Host protocol way to synchronize simple
- enough for the TIP to use. What may be needed is a simple Host/Host
- protocol reset allocate command. We will try to understand this issue
- and, again, perhaps undertake promotion of a Host/Host protocol
- change.
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- The above two problems explain part of the "lost allocates" but
- not all. We have now instrumented the TIP program in a manner which we
- hope will help us find the rest of the lost allocate problem soon.
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- The TIP's logger (opener?) has been causing users some problems.
- Upon examination, the problems were seen to originate from basic
- design assumptions within the logger which we are working on changing.
- In the short term, however, we think that a discussion of what the
- logger is doing and how it works will alleviate some of the grief.
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- For the user, opening proceeds in three phases. In the first, the
- user is queued up waiting to "get" the TIP's logger. In the second,
- the user has gotten the TIP's logger and is beginning the login
- sequence. In the third, the user has completed the login sequence and
- is waiting for the Host to open up the actual data connections. Many
- of the problems stem from the fact that _only_one_user_ may be
- proceeding through phase 2 at a time. Hence the need for the queue of
- phase 1. Any single user may tie up phase 2 for at most about 1
- minute. This is the canonical "timeout" in the logger. Notice that
- this does not include the times in either the first or third phases.
- Thus, the actual delay before you get a "timeout" after you type @L
- can be 1 minute, 2 minutes, 3 minutes...depending on how many other
- people are having difficulty logging in at the same time. Abort Login
- (@A L) does three different things depending on which phase of logging
- in the user is in. In phase 2 it resets the timer to be close to
- overflowing so that it is responded to with a "timeout" shortly after
- the command is given. In phase 3 it does nothing at all, and in phase
- 1 it merely removes the user (silently) from the logging queue.
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- We will, medium term, have the TIP type out something like "YOUR
- LOGGER" when you get off the queue and the logger begins trying to
- open your connections. This will at least alleviate user uncertainty
- as to whether he is in phase 1 or phase 2. Long term, we will
- probably make the logging process reentrant so that users will not
- interact with one another quite so destructively. In the short term,
- here is a small "cookbook" on how to undo a login that seems to not be
- working.
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- When you have waited as long as you would like to for the login
- to take place, you may type "@A L". If the TIP responds with
- "TIMEOUT" in a few second and has not typed T OPEN or R OPEN, then you
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- are aborted and may attempt logging in again. If it types "TIMEOUT"
- but has typed out T OPEN or R OPEN then you should type @C and wait
- for that to be responded to (You _must_ wait.) If you get no response
- at all to @A L, and the TIP has typed that one or the other connection
- is open, you should type @C and wait, as above. Finally, if the TIP
- makes no response and has not opened any connection, than you are free
- to proceed.
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- From now on the name of the DEVICE CODE EXECUPORT command will be
- DEVICE CODE EXTRA-PADDING, since there are a number of other terminals
- which require this feature. The latest to be added to the list is the
- DATAPOINT 3300.
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- [ This RFC was put into machine readable form for entry ]
- [ into the online RFC archives by BBN Corp. under the ]
- [ direction of Alex McKenzie. 1/97 ]
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