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From: [e-mail] (MLB)
Subject: MK for SNES question
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:43:09 GMT

Does anyone know if the SNES version of Mortal
Kombat is going to allow you to play as Goro
or Reptile?

[e-mail]

From: [e-mail] (A. J. Zuniga)
Subject: Re: MK for SNES question
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 17:21:38 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:
>Does anyone know if the SNES version of Mortal
>Kombat is going to allow you to play as Goro
>or Reptile?
>
>[e-mail]
>
>

No, you will not be allowed to play as Goro or Reptile

From: CXEO000 <[e-mail]>
Subject: MK
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 01:32:53 GMT

Could someone please post ALL known ( no bs. some real facts please)
facts on SNES MK. That is: what caracters,moves,fatalitys,what is in
the game and what has been excluded.
thanx in advance
Jon Aiken

From: [e-mail] (Shih-ta Peng)
Subject: MK .... It's here!!!
Date: 8 Sep 1993 00:46:54 -0700

The local video stores received MK for SNES today. There is my initial
impression:

The graphics was pretty good, but still not comparable to the arcade.
The animation is very good. It often looks as fluid as the arcade game.
The voices are quite good.
The music is decent but the sound effects (such as sound of impacts) are
not so hot.
The overall pace of the game is slower than that of the arcade.
The reaction time and recovery after knockdown time are different from the
arcade.
The special moves are much harder to perform than the arcade version. This
gives an advantage (unintentionally) to fighters who's moves are not so
complicated to execute.
Overall a good game, but pales in comparison to SF2: Turbo.

From: [e-mail] (A. J. Zuniga)
Subject: Re: MK for gameboy?
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 18:16:34 GMT

In article <26l5b9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Aaron K. Solomon)
writes:
>
>Does anyone know the release date for Mortal Kombat for the Gameboy?  I see it
>with the other versions for Nintendo systems in the new issue of NP, but it
>doesn't give a release date.  Any info?
>

Same as the other versions...Sept. 13th. Not to ruin ruin your party, but I
have read numerous reviews on Gameboy's MK and they all state that it isn't too
good.

STP

From: [e-mail] (Jeff Hoffman)
Subject: Re: MK
Date: 8 Sep 1993 18:08:55 -0400

This information is coming from the GamePro Magazine, Vol. 5 Num. 9

Rayden - Electrocute and then skeleton falls to dust
  Toward, Away, Away, Away, Y Button
Kano   - Slam fist into torso of opponent
  Away, Down, Toward, A Button
Johnny Kage - Kick foot into torso of opponent
  Toward, Toward, Toward, Y Button
Liu Kang - Helicopter Spin Kick
  Start up, make a complete circle Toward foe.
Sub-Zero - Freeze a foe and then blast them to ice cubes
  Toward, Down, Toward, Y Button
Scorpion - Pull off hood and torch, skeleton falls to ashes
  Hold R, Up, Up
Sonya    - Blows a kiss which chars you and then the skeleton falls to ashes
  Toward, Toward, Away, Away, R Button

All of the other moves are pretty much the same as they are in the arcade.
The SNES version is basically exactly like the arcade except for the blood
is now grey (to look like sweat), some fatalities have been changed, and
of course the graphics aren't arcade...But, they are rated extremely high,
the best you can get on a SNES.

I will not post the genesis moves now, but, GamePro said that the graphics
on the genesis are a little less impressive but the fatalities are the
original bloody ones from the arcade.

Later,

Jeff Hoffman

Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 17:57:37 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MK

  I bought my MK about a month and a half ago in Japan, which made
me wonder why it's taking so much time to get it over here.
  But, anyway, my question is that I've read in a magazine that
there is some secret code for all those nice little blood and
gore to appear in the SEGA version, is there one for SNES?
  Also, does anyone know the death moves for the SNES version?
So far I have gathered the following:
Scorpion:  block, up, up
Sonya: toward, toward, away, away, block
Johnny Cage:  toward, toward, toward, block (???)
Liu Kang: Circle towards the character, high kick
Kano: (N/A)
Raiden: toward, toward, back, back, back, high punch (???)
Sub-zero: forward, down, forward, high punch (only succeeded once)

Victor

From: [e-mail] (The Legacy)
Subject: Re: MK
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 23:07:32 GMT

In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Shih-ta Peng) writes:
> >     Graphics are Excellent, including character animation
>
> Graphics is good. The color still seems lacking in comparison to the arcade
> game, but definitely ahead of the Genesis version.
>
> >     Music is also excellent...the kind that gets you pumped to play
>
> The Music is pretty good, but the sound of the hits, like SF2, don't
> have the kinda impact that the arcade version does.
>

Truly I've seen few or no games ported to anything that match the arcade.  I
don't know why the authors don't bother trying to duplicate the games more
closely.  I mean if they were that lazy it is possible to digitize the actual
arcade sounds and compose music that sounds the same.


> >SEGA Version of Mortal Kombat:
>
> >     Graphics are very good for 16-color.
>
> 16 colors??? Where did you get that??? Genesis displays upto 64 colors at
> once. Maybe that's why it came off better than you thought?? B-)

Yea you're right..I'm not really sure where I got 16!  But the difference
between 64 and 256 is always noticeable between both systems.

> The problem is that you had limited time to play with unfinished products.
> The final product in both cases are much better than what you saw.

Actually I did try the final SEGA version.  The SNES version was an earlier
beta, although I found few bugs in it.  Were both versions done by
completely different software companies?  BTW I have never even played the
arcade version, so my opionions have no bias as to do with which port is
better from the original arcade version.  For all we know, the arcade
version was wrong :)

From: [e-mail] (Shih-ta Peng)
Subject: Re: MK
Date: 9 Sep 1993 00:03:28 -0700

[e-mail] (The Legacy) writes:

  >Were both versions done by
>completely different software companies?

The SNES version was programmed by Sculptured Software while the Genesis
version was programmed by Probe.

STP

From: [e-mail] (George Edward Serad)
Subject: MK commercial
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:15:59 GMT

     I just saw the MK commercial the other day and noticed that all the game
clips were form the SNES version.  They were shown very quickly, and I didn't
get a chance to examine them thoroughly.  I could be wrong, but i thought i saw
blood in one of the shots.(really doubtful) I also thought I saw reptile
fighting in the pit (again i could be mistaken). I want to catch it again.
does anyone know a certain show or time or a channel that the ad is likely to
appear on?

From: [e-mail] (Chao I Wu)
Subject: Re: *Have anyone seen a GREEN MAN in MK?*
Date: 10 Sep 1993 02:47:56 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> writes:
>My brother was paly the game the other day there was a green man came
>out after a few rounds.  And it say you get 1 or 10 millions points
>if you win this guy.  Has anyone seen it before?Know how to get him out?
>What need to be done?

Your brother is fighting "reptile"...

To get reptile, you must do a double flawless + fatality on the bridge scene
versus the computer, and never use the block except for fatalities.  There
must be shadows flying across the moon in both the winning rounds.

If all requirements are met, reptile will jump down on to the screen, the
screen will flash, and the screen will shift to the bottom of the bridge
where all the pierced heads are.

Reptile is a ninja, just like Sub Zero and Scorpion...He is faster than
normal, can harpoon, freeze, slide, and teleport punch.

Defeating him will grant you ten million points.  Losing to him will get you
an uppercut to the face, hell fire to the body, or decapatation by spinal
yank...

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From: [e-mail] (Shih-ta Peng)
Subject: Re: MK
Date: 10 Sep 1993 14:03:53 -0700

[e-mail] (Shih-ta Peng) writes:

>The play control, IMO, is way off on the SNES version. The special moves
>have much stricter timing requirements that hinders some characters.
>The game runs at a slower/off pace too!

Did I mention the short pause that seems to occurs between consecutive moves?
This is even more annoying when you try to jump two or three times in
a row, which is quite an useful manuever in MK.

STP

From: CXEO <[e-mail]>
Subject: HELP NEEDED (MK,SNES or GENESIS)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 01:32:45 GMT

I cannot decide on which version to get. According to people i have
heard from the genesis has better move execution (with six button cont.)
and nintendo has jerky movements. However, nintendo has better sound
and more fluid graphics ( these are opinions i have heard from friends
etc. ) And of course genesis has fatalitys . My question is a) is it
worth the cost to get the genesis controllers (BTW how much does each
cost?) b) could someone who has played both give a detailed opinion
on which he liked more overall. I am presently considering getting
the SNES version any opinions on either game are much appreciated

From: [e-mail] (/\/exus)
Subject: Re: MK for gameboy?
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 02:37:52 GMT

[e-mail] (A. J. Zuniga) writes:

|Same as the other versions...Sept. 13th. Not to ruin ruin your party, but I
|have read numerous reviews on Gameboy's MK and they all state that it isn't
|too good.

Yep.  Save your $$ and frustration.

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From: [e-mail] (James L. Brookes)
Subject: Re: HELP NEEDED (MK,SNES or GENESIS)
Date: 11 Sep 1993 07:02:46 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> CXEO <[e-mail]>
writes:
>I cannot decide on which version to get. According to people i have
>heard from the genesis has better move execution (with six button cont.)
>and nintendo has jerky movements. However, nintendo has better sound

I don't know where people are coming up with this 'bad control' stuff...
it seems to me to be fairly subjective.  I've never played the arcade
version of MK before, but with the arcade moves guide I was able to execute
all the moves and all but one of the fatalities (Kano's) pretty easily.
Although, yes, I _do_ need practice :)

>and more fluid graphics ( these are opinions i have heard from friends
>etc. ) And of course genesis has fatalitys . My question is a) is it

I haven't seen this in a while, so here are the changes:

  Scorpion's and Sonya's are the same (pretty cool).
  Subzero now freezes the enemy and shatters him/her. (ok, but not as cool)
  Liu Kang's is the same, but no blood in the pit (boo)
  Johnny Cage kicks the enemy... VERY INCREDIBLY lame :)

And I haven't been able to Kano's, as I mentioned.

>worth the cost to get the genesis controllers (BTW how much does each
>cost?) b) could someone who has played both give a detailed opinion
>on which he liked more overall. I am presently considering getting
>the SNES version any opinions on either game are much appreciated

I think the SNES version is pretty good, except for (of course) the
lack of blood and the fatalities being changed.  I don't know what the
people who are complaining about the control/speed of game/phase of moon
are smoking; I have no complaints.
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From: Marty Chinn <[e-mail]>
Subject: MK Kano
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 93 10:53:25 PDT

In the arcade Kano's fatality is down, down forward, forward punch, but
it doesn't seem to do that in the arcade, but when i tried a half circle,
starting from back, going down and around to forward with a punch button,
it worked fine and i could pull it off whenever i wanted. As for the
control, personally it was poor at first to me but as i got used to doing
the moves it was alright. I could do whatever i wanted to when i wanted
to so the control seemed to be fine to me. Maybe the same will happen to
other people, as they get used to it, it won't be as bad as they think.


[e-mail] (Marty Chinn)
The Land of Garg BBS -- [phone]

From: [e-mail] (-=THE JESSTER=-)
Subject: SNES MK: differences from the arcade.
Date: 11 Sep 93 16:48:21 CDT

Well, the release date has been broken, and I have my SNES MK three days early.
For those of you trying to convince your local store owners to sell it to you,
I bought mine at KAY-BEE toys (with the $10 off coupon available in recent
video game magazines).  The address is 2500 N Mayfair Rd Milwaukee, WI (inside
Mayfair mall).  The phone number is [phone].  Tell your store manager to
call for proof.  I believe they were selling the Genesis version too, but I;m
not sure about the GG or GB versions.

        If you're a loyal fan of the arcade version (like me), you're going to
be disappointed.  The graphics are good, and the sound is okay, but nearly
every aspect of the game play is different.

The moves:
The reaction time between when you press the button and when the move goes is
very bad for most movesl.  There is even a split second delay before a
character will begin walking backwards, forwards, jumping, etc.  For example,
if you're a Scorpion player, you probably like to repeatedly tap back when
you're a full screen away from your oponent so that you can easily harpoon him
if he jumps.  If you try this on the SNES version, Scorp will just sit there as
you tap (not actually moving backwards unless you hold back) and if your
oponent jumps at you, you won't be far enough away and you'll get a foot in the
face rather than your haroon in his neck.  There are also inconsistencies with
almost every other move in the game.

low punch- Stand blocking a barrage of low punches in the corner will not cause
           cause your oponent to stumble back away from you.  Also, Sonya can
           can be hit by low punches when duck blocking, though she still can't
           hit other people in the same situation.

throw- Throws work pretty much the way they should, but they are animated
       badly.  The thrower is usually out of sync with the trowee.

high punch- High punches do not cause the oponent to stumble backwards like
            they should.

special high punch- Each character has his own unique close range high punch
                    move.  These work pretty much the way they should, but are
                    fairly useless.

uppercut- This move was given too much power.  It seems the programmers did
          everything they could to make sure that the uppercut will counter
          almost any blocked close range move, even when it shouldn't.

wimpy kick- You can sometimes be hit with low punches when doing a wimpy kick.
            What's the use of it now?

low kick
high kick
roundhouse- These moves seem to work okay.
sweep
knee

block- When it works it works right, however it doesn't always work.  Some
       glitch in the programming causes the block to fail occasionally.  This
       happens in the arcade too, but not nearly as often.  It also seems that
       once your oponent has started hitting you with a barrage of high or low
       punches, you cannot block again until he either stops or pushes you
       away.

Jump kicks/punches- All jump kicks and punches stay extended through the entire
                    durration of the jump, regardless of when the punch or kick
                    button is pressed.

Special Moves:

Cage
Green bolt (back, frwd, lp)- Works okay.
Shadow kick (back, frwd, lk)- Moves too fast and sometimes too far.
Nut punch (lp + block)- Works okay.
Fatality (close + frwd, frwd, frwd, hp)- Looks rediculous.  He slips his foot
                                         into his oponents chest, they writhe
                                         in agony (which looks funny as hell),
                                         and he pulls it back out.

Kano
Knife (block + (back, frwd))- Can't be done too quickly.
Ball (rotate toward oponent from frwd to up)- Can't be done too quickly.
Stationary ball (hold block and do the ball)- Stays in stationary position a
                                              a little too long.
Fatality (close + back, down, frwd + lp)- Makes no sense.  He no longer pulls
                                          anything out.  He simply punches you
                                          in the chest, sweat flies, he pulls
                                          out his hand (with nothing in it) and
                                          holds it up.  Stupid.

Raiden (Rayden)
Lightning (down, down/frwd, frwd + lp)- works okay.
body launch (back, back, frwd)- Can't be done too quickly.  It also will not
                                 fly under most projectioles like it should.
Teleport (down, up)- Can't be done too quickly.  Once it's activated it takes
                     too long to be completed.
Fatality (close + frwd, back, back back, hp)- Must be done really fast for some
                                              reason.  This is the best of the
                                              altered fatalities.  He zaps you
                                              into a glowing skeleton which
                                              then crumbles to dust form your
                                              feet up to your neck, then your
                                              skull falls and lays on its side
                                              next to the pile of dust.

Liu Kang
Fireball (frwd, frwd, hp)- Much too fast.
Flying Kick (frwd, frwd, hk)- Does not fly over ducking oponents.  It will
                              either hit a ducking oponent or be blocked by a
                              duck blocking oponent.
Fatality (rotate toward oponent from frwd to up)- Cartweel does not kick the
                                                  oponent, and it seems to
                                                  slide along the ground.  It
                                                  will hit from any distance.
                                                  This means no special
                                                  fatality combos.

Scorpion
Harpoon (back, back, lp)- Works okay.
Teleport Punch (down, down/back, back, hp)- Will not jump over a ducking
                                            oponent on the other side of the
                                            screen.  It also can be done even
                                            when backed against the wall.  It
                                            also, for some reason can hit an
                                            oponent who is jumping towards
                                            him BEFORE he goes off the screen.
Fatality (fairly close + up, up)- Same as arcade, but seems to have a wider
                                  range of distances from which he can do it.

Sub-Zero
Iceball (down, down/frwd, frwd + lp)- Works okay.
Slide (back + lp + block + lk)- Very inconsistent.  Sometimes it doesn't work
                                until you block a move.
Fatality (close + frwd, down, frwd, hp)- Can't be done too fast or too slow.
                                         He flips backward's, freezes oponent
                                         into generic frozen form (same for all
                                         characters), flips forward, backfist
                                         shatters them from the knees up.

Sonya
Rings (lp, back, lp)- Works okay.
Flying Punch (frwd, back, hp)- Travels too far in the air.
Leg Grab (down + lp + block + lk)- Suffers from the bad reaction time and bad
                                   throw animation problems.
Fatality (frwd, frwd, back, back, block)- Same as arcade.

Combos and Counters:
Most of the arcade combos and counters that involve special moves can not be
done or are extremely difficult because of the bad reaction time.

Computer oponents:

The computer does not suffer from the same reaction time problems that you do
so it can perform rediculous combos and counters.  The computer can, however be
defeated quite easily (even on "very hard" difficulty setting) because it will
never block a jumpkick that comes from a full screen away and the kick button
was pressed immediately at the start of the jump.  You can usually defeat any
character including Goro and Reptile simply by repeatedly tapping low kick and
sliding your thumb between forward jump and backward jump on the control pad.
One other noticable difference is that Shang Tsung can only throw one flaming
skull at a time, making it no different than any other projectile attack.

Miscelaneous problems:

-There is at least about a 3/4 inch space between the edge of the screen and
your character at all times.  Escentially, this means you can't get as far away
from your oponent as you should be able to, because you can't get that close to
the edge of the screen.
-Animation of fatalities and even of the defeated oponent swayin is too fast.

-You get more time to attempt fatalities (not really a problem, but a
difference).

-For some reason you can throw an oponent durring the "finish him" time and the
match won't end right away allowing you to throw, then do the fatality.  The
computer never does fatalities.  Instead, it often likes to throw you back and
forh until time runs out.

-NO PAUSE!!!!!  This is incredibly annoying.  It seems that Acclaim didn't
want you to be able to use slo motion controllers so you can only pause the
game between matches on the tournament lineup screen.

-Bonus rounds are impossible without turbo buttons.  In the arcade, I could
consistently break everything but ruby and diamond (which I could break
sometimes).  On the SNES the only one I can break sometimes is wood.  It makes
me wonder if Acclaim even tested this feature of the game.

-The requirements for fighting Reptile are now much easier.  A double flawless
plus fatality on the pit is now all that's necessary.  There are never moon
shadows so that isn't a factor, and the no block requirement seems to be taken
out.

-In endurence matches, the second oponent jumps in and attacks right away
rather than just sitting there and giving you a free hit.  Sometimes they will
even kick as they jump in.

-Finally, the ending sequence is changed.  Rather than the extra digitized
pictures accompanying the text, each character instead jumps down in front of
his or her statue in the warrior shrine, does his/her victory pose, and the
text scrolls from the bottom of the screen up.

That's about all I can think of.  If you are looking for an arcade translation,
this is not it.  If you've never played MK before, you might like it.
Escentially it is a diffent game with the same characters and the same moves,
but the rules of play have changed drastically.  I suggest you try it before
you buy it.

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From: [e-mail] (Chao I Wu)
Subject: MK buttons
Date: 5 Sep 1993 01:10:24 GMT

Okay, I have heard a lot of talk about the use of the 6 button controller
for the up and coming Mortal Kombat (I can't wait until next Monday).
Anyways, how difficult is it to use the standard 3 button controller?  I
mean I don't want to shell out $20 for a controller that I am gonna use for
just one game...What are the controls for the standard controller?

- Bob....

From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Owen)
Subject: Re: MK: Here's the scoop!
Date: 6 Sep 1993 02:29:48 GMT

Well console users, here's a tip for those of you who are wondering which
MK to get. I have played both versions using the good ole MGH and unfor-
tunately, neither version fully mirrors the arcade version. However, here
are a few guidelines to consider when purchasing (or not) the cartridge.
Snes: Great graphics, although not exactly the same proportion as the arcade.
Great sound, it almost completely (if not completely) mirrors the arcade in
both soundtrack and voices.Decent gameplay, it needs work with the timing
of special moves and the range of the attacks. Also, sometimes the animation
stops at the end of a match; i.e. when you defeat someone, the action stops
for a split section. Direct translation: fatalities are good, except for the
fact that the decapitation is removed and Kano doesn't have the opponent's
heart in his hand. The only fatality that REALLY pisses me off is Johnny
Cage's Sliding foot of death. Although SubZero's isn't that great either.
However, the graphics and sound are incredibly close to the arcade.

Sega: Good graphics: My only complaints are that there are noticeable
missing frames of animation in all the characters. Look at the intros
for each character and you'll see what I mean (compared to Snes).
The other complaint is that the lack of colors really hurts this game.
You can't tell one raiden from the other or when a person is frozen by
Subzero, because the colors don't reflect it. The backgrounds are decent,
but when a fatality is done, the screen doesn't really darken, it bitmaps.
That really sucks. Sound: Let me start by saying, the sound SUCKS!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are so many non existant sounds it's
ridiculous. The one's that are there stink. They aren't even from the arcade,
or they are so horrible that they don't sound right. Then to make up for it,
Probe tries to come up with a snazzy MK soundtrack, that sucks out loud.
We all know the genesis sound chip isn't great, but this shows how inferior
it is to the Snes's. I'm sorry, I own both systems and the sound made me
want to throw up. I can't fairly describe the feeling of not having the
sound present. It changes the environment of the game. I used to think
the fatalities made MK stand apart, but now I can see that without it's
good sound, it can't stand up against any SF Clone, let alone the King
of Fighting Games. Playability: It plays pretty well, but they phucked
up the controls and changed a whole lot of moves. This is the only good
thing (and it's only average) about the game on Genesis. Direct Translation:
This is nowher near what Midway would want to see in a home version of the
very popular arcade hit. Overall, I would give it a 4 (and I'm being
generous).

If you're looking for a direct translation, get a Super Gun and the PCB
or buy the damn game. If you want something cheaper that's pretty good,
but not direct, get the Super Nes version. If you want to waste serious
money, or are a diehard Sega fan, get the genesis version. Let's just
hope that the Sega CD version (if it exists) can take the best of both
and become a near-perfect translation. God save Sega, this game is not
worth the chips it's encoded on!

From: [e-mail] (The Legacy)
Subject: Re: MK
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:59:32 GMT

In article [e-mail], CXEO000 <[e-mail]> () writes:
> Could someone please post ALL known ( no bs. some real facts please)
> facts on SNES MK. That is: what caracters,moves,fatalitys,what is in
> the game and what has been excluded.
> thanx in advance
> Jon Aiken
>

I am by no means an authority on this but since I have seen little or no
response to these questions, I will try to answer...

SNES Version of Mortal Kombat:
        Graphics are Excellent, including character animation
        Music is also excellent...the kind that gets you pumped to play
        Digitized voices are excellent.  Very clear.
        Game control is fairly good, but fatality moves are difficult the way
        they are defined (in both versions).  Neither control pad has very good
        response to rotating the pad like a joystick, or a disk (like
        intellivision) does.
        Fatalities removed... since I'm not an avid player there is only one I
        know that is truly different, and that's sub-zero's decapitation.  In
        this version, he freezes his opponent and breaks him into many pieces.
        No Blood.  Only some grey sweat coming off of oponnent.
        Also, the screen doesn't shake like the arcade version.  I am not sure
        if this is because I tested an early version of it or whether they
        decided not to include this.
        As of yet I haven't heard of a code for full arcade mode.

SEGA Version of Mortal Kombat:
        Graphics are very good for 16-color.  Animation of character isn't as
        good as SNES version (what I'm mainly referring to is the animation
        when they stand there, not necessarily when they are fighting).
        Music is good, but nothing like the power of the SNES music.  This is
        more like classical background music.
        There are some digitized voices, but they aren't as clear as the SNES
        version and in a few places they are left out.
        Game control seems a little more difficult than the SNES version.  It
        is tougher to land a flying kick, for example, but the 3-button
        controller probably doesn't do it a lot of justice.  I also found it
        more difficult to perform some of the fatality moves like scorpion's
        mainly because block is the start key.  It is very hard to reach on the
        SEGA control pad.
        In non-fatality mode, there isn't even sweat that comes off the
        opponent. not a big deal, but thought I would mention it.
        In fatality mode, it acts exactly like the arcade, with the blood
        splattering and the screen shaking on the harder hits.  It makes it a
        lot more interesting to play!

Overall comparison:
        Its tough, as the games obviously have different features.

        The SNES version seemed to have better play control, graphics, sound,
        and music, but that's always a given with SNES games (ok, minus the
        play control, but like I said that may be due to the fact that I didn't
        try the 6-button
        controller).

        But one of the biggest features of the SEGA version is full fatality,
        blood and arcade style.  It doesn't make the SEGA version or break the
        SNES version but is something to consider when trying them out.  If
        they did include the full arcade mode into the SNES version I would
        recommend that hands down.

This is only my opinion from my limited play testing, but first impressions of
games are usually 95% correct.

[e-mail]

From: [e-mail] (Shih-ta Peng)
Subject: Re: MK
Date: 8 Sep 1993 11:11:01 -0700

>    Graphics are Excellent, including character animation

Graphics is good. The color still seems lacking in comparison to the arcade
game, but definitely ahead of the Genesis version.

>    Music is also excellent...the kind that gets you pumped to play

The Music is pretty good, but the sound of the hits, like SF2, don't
have the kinda impact that the arcade version does.

>    Game control is fairly good, but fatality moves are difficult the way they
>    are defined (in both versions).

The play control, IMO, is way off on the SNES version. The special moves
have much stricter timing requirements that hinders some characters.
The game runs at a slower/off pace too!

>Neither control pad has very good response
>to rotating the pad like a joystick, or a disk (like intellivision) does.

If you used the Sega 6-button pad you'll see that the new pad is setup to
facilitate rotating manuevers. The original Sega and SNES pads don't give
enough thereby making certain moves more difficult.

>Also, the screen doesn't shake like the arcade version.

The screen does shake in the final version. The game may already be available
for purchase/rent in some places.

>SEGA Version of Mortal Kombat:

>    Graphics are very good for 16-color.

16 colors??? Where did you get that??? Genesis displays upto 64 colors at
once. Maybe that's why it came off better than you thought?? B-)
The problem with the Genesis version is that Probe went all out for the
gameplay and just rendered the graphics being inferior (to SNES) as a given.
They didn't bother with the little subtle details such as the fancy energy
bar, and fonts for in the arcade. How memory could it possibly have cost for
them to do it??? Not much, I'd gather.

>  Animation of character isn't as good

Agreed! The animation is not as smooth as the SNES version. Perhaps there
are frames removed or something. The characters, for some reason, stand
near the bottom of the screen instead of in the middle , like the SNES
version. This makes the characters appear smaller than that of the
SNES.

>Game control seems a little more difficult than the SNES version.

Like you said, it's probably because you're using the 3 button controller.
The gameplay is much truer to the arcade version than the SNES version.
Almost without exception, the moves are much easier to execute in the Sega
version.

I wonder if the missing voices in the Sega version was to make room for
the extra fatality moves.

I wonder which version of the MK you played. Both versions you played
seem to be early beta copies. The final product, in both cases, turned
out a lot better.

>Overall comparison:
>    Its tough, as the games obviously have different features.

SNES version's got the edge in graphics, sound, and smoothness of animation.
Genesis version's got better gameplay, and control.

>But one of the biggest features of the SEGA version is full fatality, blood
>and arcade style.

Unfortunately, that is also the essence of MK. Without full gore, the game
is stripped of it's soul.

>It doesn't make the SEGA version or break the SNES version

In most cases, it wouldn't. But, in the case of an arcade to home
translation, the game need to be come as close to the arcade as possible
without sacrificing it's core. The problem with the SNES version is that
all the superficial aspects are there, but the one element that really
attracted a lot of gamers, the gore, is gone. For those who never played
the arcade game the SNES version maybe a great game. For those looking for
a truer overall translation, the Genesis version is better.

>If they did include the
>full arcade mode into the SNES version I would recommend that hands down.

And "IF" they fine tune the control also.

>This is only my opinion from my limited play testing, but first impressions of
>games are usually 95% correct.

The problem is that you had limited time to play with unfinished products.
The final product in both cases are much better than what you saw.

From: [e-mail] (Matt Kruse)
Subject: MK code for goro, tsung, reptile
Date: 9 Sep 1993 15:00:45 -0500
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

has anyone heard the code to play as goro, tsung, or reptile?
i've heard it exists, and since the pictures in die hard seem to
confirm this, i want to know before i play it!

From: [e-mail]
Subject: MK released early!!!
Date: 10 Sep 93 06:20:53 GMT

Beleive it or not but I have MK in my hands right now.  For some reason, some
store release it early, like four days early, and that opened the other stores
to see who could sell first.  So some stores may be fined quite heavily but
maybe they thought that they would make enough to compensate.  Who knows.

My impression of the game was mixed.  The sound and music SUCKS!  Plain and
simple.  The graphics are ok but need work on the fluidity.  But I was mostly
pissed off to hear almost all the voices were gone.  Including Lui Kang.  I
seemed to enjoy the game more when listening to the radio and let the graphics
try to impress me then the lame sound it has.  The fatalities are pretty good
considering.  The speed is pretty close to the arcade (finally a plus).
Control is really good if and only if you have the 6 button controler.
The only trouble I had with was with Sonya's leg grab in the heat of battle
because you have to use your fingers to push the buttons instead of you
thumb.

If I would have to say what the best thing about the Genesis version it would
have to be the graphics of the characters.  Those are near perfect.

All in all, if you have never seen the arcade version (yea right) you might
not be as picky and think it is the best game.  But since most of us are
used to the arcade, the least imperfections are the biggest things.

Waiting patiently for the CD version.  'Nuff said

       ----------Brendan

From: [e-mail] (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: MK released early!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:32:44 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>If I would have to say what the best thing about the Genesis version it would
>have to be the graphics of the characters.  Those are near perfect.

Are the character names on the energy bars like the arcade, or do they use
the cheesy computer font that's in all the previews?
--
Ken Arromdee ([e-mail])

From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MK released early!!!
Date: 10 Sep 93 14:24:07 GMT

The names of the Characters are right above the energy bar unlike the arcade
which is inside the energy bar.  A minor difference but noticable.

  --------------Brendan

From: [e-mail] (Daniel Wu)
Subject: Re: MK: Here's the scoop!
Date: 10 Sep 1993 17:18:14 GMT

Is the SNES and Genesis version of MK going to be button-configurable? So I
could use the capcomn fighter stifck for both systems?

From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MK: Here's the scoop!
Date: 10 Sep 93 19:49:14 GMT

I haven't found any button configureations in the options part of the game.

Unless there is some code to configure that I don't know about, it isn't
configurable.

------Brendan

Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 19:32:43 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MK for sale at ElBo

     I called the local (State College, PA) ElBo today (actually to see if
any new Sega CD titles were out) and they told me that they had already begun
selling MK.  I asked if this was national, and the manager told me that they
had started selling early because some Wal-Mart or something "in this region"
had done so.  Thus your ElBo (or even Wal-Mart) mileage may vary... Personally,
I'm waiting to see what the CD version is like.  I WAS going to get a Neo-Geo
for SS, but now I'm not so sure about that anymore.  Perhaps I'll just wait
for the next round of fighting games, anyway, as I wasn't really struck by
MK in the arcade (but I didn't play it much either).


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Anthony)
Subject: Re: Mortal Kombat Code
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 18:11:57 GMT

In article <26fi6f$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>       Some time ago, someone posted the code that would access the arcade
>mode(blood n'guts) of the upcoming MORTAL KOMBAT for the Genesis.  Could
>someone please post it again?
>


  TO PUT ALL THE BLOOD AND FATALiTiES iNTO MORTAL KoMBAT FOR GENESiS!

     AT THE SCREEN WHERE iT SAYS ' CODES OF HONOUR ' , Do THiS WiTH
       CONTROLLER 1 ( A,B,A,C,A,B,B), after you DO THiS, THE LETTERS
         ON THE SCREEN WiLL TURN TO A RED TiNT.  AND YOU'LL HEAR SCORPiAN
           SAY ' GET OVER HERE '.  THiS CONFERMS THAT THE TRiCK WORKED!


                        ____                   ___    _____
                          ___

(Taken from a text file i had saved)

Jim C


From: [e-mail] (Chao I Wu)
Subject: Mortal Kombat
Date: 6 Sep 1993 19:43:09 GMT


To whoever posted that article about Mortal Kombat SNES v Genesis...

Have you even tried using the 6 button?  Its compatability will enable users
total control over the game, far more than the SNES.  The playability is far
superior to that of the SNES, that plays IMHO sluggishly.

BTW, how do you judge the sound quality.  Whenever I am at the arcade, the
game machine is swarmed with dozens of people.  The sounds of cheers and
shouts as well as the other machines drown out almost anything you can
honestly consider as a "Sound Track"...

From: [e-mail] (Ronald Mendoza)
Subject: Mortal Kombat Genesis vs SNES
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 23:47:06 GMT

Okay, I've tried them both.  (On the Genesis, with both the 3-button and the
6-button controller)

Here's my quick opinions:

The SNES version has much better music and sound effects.  It announces the
names on the character selection, says the various move chants, and also
announces the winner.  The Genesis says "Get over here," and "Excellent."
That's it.  :(

The SNES graphics are a little better.  The dithering isn't as noticeable as
it could be on the Genesis, but it's still there.  Also, the animation on
the Genesis is a little more choppy.

Now, here's my main point: gameplay.  The SNES version is too fast!  If you
play the arcade, you know that MK differs from SF2 in that you don't need to
pound those buttons very quickly.  The SNES game is another matter.  It is
almost as fast as SF2Turbo.  The Genesis version is much closer to the arcade
in speed, letting you plan and execute your moves.

Also, there are the fatalities.  (Err, Finishing Moves, sorry Nintendo!)  On
the SNES, they are not bad, but then they are not good.  It's nice to see
them on the Genesis, although with the few frames of animation they aren't
too smooth.

So, overall, if you want gameplay, I recommend the Genesis.  For graphics and
sound, the SNES.

BTW: I even tried playing MK with the 3-button controller and it was playable.
Not as bad as the mags made it seem.  The 6-button does feel more natural
though.

-Ron ([e-mail]) ([e-mail])


From: [e-mail] (John E. Ray)
Subject: Mortal Kombat CD
Date: 8 Sep 1993 05:50:19 GMT

In response to the "Is the Mortal Kombat CD REAL?" question -

I was just looking at a listing of "incoming" titles at Babbages
and Mortal Kombat CD was listed as "11/30/93" - This came from the
manufacturer - so I would assume it is "REAL"...

Joe Montana will be out the 15th of THIS month! (according to Sega)

The list pretty much shows about 20-30 new titles by Christmas...
Most of them coming out in November/December (big surprise)...

Silpheed was listed as 10/15/93, and has been renamed "Terra Something:
The Silpheed Wars" - Don't see why it'd need a RAM cart when the import
works beautifully w/o one.

Just thought someone would like to know.

Oh yes - Mortal Kombat for the Sega - DISAPPOINTING!  When I finally
got ahold of a copy, I was quite excited...and I would have LOVED
the game if they had simply included as many frames of animation as
the SNES version.  I will certainly buy the Sega-CD version if it is
complete (animation wise) and has better sound.  The blood was nice
to see though!  Oh yes, one BIG thing in its favor - special moves
are MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to pull off on the Sega version... perhaps
a better joystick for the SNES would have helped - but I could do
the fireball motion with NO problem on a standard Sega joypad.

--

From: [e-mail] (Gary Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Mortal Kombat Code
Date: 9 Sep 93 21:14:57 GMT

        The code for Mortal Kombat is ABACABB.  I think you put it
in when it has the "code of honor" screen.

Subject: Sega Master System Mortal Kombat?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 9 Sep 93 18:59:35 EDT

Fellows......

Being a fan of the Sega Master System (flame all ya want :), I've been asking
around about a Mortal Kombat translation.  A friend mentioned that, yes
indeedie, it was on the way, but his info was a bit slim.....

Anyone who reads the UK mags:  is the SMS getting the Game Gear version, with
improved resolution?  Or a nice "original" translation, perhaps?  All answers
most appreciated, but please, post all replies... (can't promise I'll be able
to check this account later, and I'm sure there are a few, closet ridden SMS
fans out there :)

Jeff Bogumil

From: [e-mail] (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Mortal Kombat CD
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1993 18:04:02 GMT

In article <26jrqr$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John
E. Ray) writes:
>
>In response to the "Is the Mortal Kombat CD REAL?" question -
>
>I was just looking at a listing of "incoming" titles at Babbages
>and Mortal Kombat CD was listed as "11/30/93" - This came from the
>manufacturer - so I would assume it is "REAL"...

That's a tentative release date.  It can, and probably will change between
now and the actual release.

>Joe Montana will be out the 15th of THIS month! (according to Sega)

Case in point.  Joe Montana CD has been delayed (again) until the end of
September or early October.  We'll have to wait until then to see the new
release date when they delay it again.
--

From: [e-mail] (Simon E Spero)
Subject: Mortal Kombat (Fatalities Friday)
Date: 11 Sep 1993 02:48:54 GMT

Ok, now that everybodys learnt the true meaning of the word "Embargo",
Can anyone give me some gentle hints on how to execute finishing moves?
I've been decapitated by Sub-Zero, and tossed into the pit of spikes by
Sonya, but I haven't been able to figure out how to perform the moves.

I'd rather not have the actual sequences, but I'd really appreciate
knowing with the finishing moves are combination moves or just simple
attacks (I've never actually played the arcade game, just watched, so
I'm pretty clueless).

AS for the sound; I have the fix. Play a quick game of Jurassic park
and MK will seem like a CD game :-)

Simon
p.s.
 The manual is pretty bad - it doesn't even mention the 6-button controls,
p.p.s
 Today's useful game gear tip; the power supply for the game gear is just the
same as that for the Casio DAR-1000 portable DAT recorder.
Well I found useful, anyway.
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Hurley)
Subject: GameGear Mortal Kombat
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 05:38:26 GMT

I got my GameGear Mortal Kombat today.  The folks at Babbages called and let me
know I could pick it up early if I wanted to.   As an Arcade MK player, heres
my experiences with it on the GG.

        Firstly, the Graphics are extremely good for the game gear.  The facial
shots of all the players look very good.  They make me wonder how many colors
the GG actually has.  The game movement is a bit choppy compared to the arcade
but reasonable.  Indeed except for the slight chopiness in the animation, the
players look almost perfect.   Only the pit screen and Goro's Lair are
present in the GG version (alas, you can't knock players into the pit itself).
The backgrounds look very good as well.  The pit screen bridge appears to be
some sort of marble that I have seen in other GG games. Goro's Lair has both
the front and the back brick walls, although the back wall isn't parallax
scrolled as the coin-op and SNES versions are.
        The sounds in the game are C-64-ish.  No samples whatsoever.  The
music seems similar to the coin-op.  The 'insert coins' music from the coin-op
is recreated to good effect, given the limited GG sound.  I was hoping for
some samples, but hearing how the samples in 'Ayrton Senna's GP II' are
so hideous, I suppose it's just as good they aren't here.  The music doesn'y
cross the line into being highly-irritating, but it isn't exciting either.
        With the exception of Sub-Zero's slide, I have been able to find all
the coin-op moves of the characters with little difficulty.  The timing is
slightly different, but as a whole the control is well layed out.  The
two button (one punch and one kick) with start for block works quite well.
If anyone knows how to get Sub-Zero to slide (back+ any or all of the buttons
doesn't seem to work), let me know. :)  Some Coin-Op combos seem to sorta
work, while most don't seem to.
        The game is pretty enjoyable.  I played the coin-op for about two
hours this evening, then played the game gear, and found myself enjoying
the GameGear version pretty well.
        Overall, I am extremely pleased with the Game Gear Mortal Kombat.
With the gore-code, you get the coin-op fatalities (Sub-Zero's is even more
gory) or you can use the alternate fatalities with no blood.  The only
differences between 'easy' and 'hard' seem to be the speed of the game.
Hard seems to be nearly coin-op speed and more enjoyable for me as an MK
veteran, although EASY is good to learn the moves.

Chris Hurley
[e-mail]

From: [e-mail] (Ralph Barbagallo)
Subject: Re: Mortal Kombat CD
Date: 11 Sep 93 18:28:03 GMT

        Speaking of MK, check your local stores TODAY.  They started
selling MK YESTERDAY for the SNES and Genesis...  Bradlees originally
broke the street date, so now a lot of stores will follow suit.  So, start
looking for MK in the stores today.

        I want the Game Gear one myself...I'm going to buy that.  The Genesis
one IMHO sucks...the SNES one is good even WITH the censoring, but the Genesis
one blows...  the tunes are all remixed, the graphics are pale and colorless,
and the animation REALLY suffers.  It does have a 6/3 button option, I do
belive... with 3 buttons Start blocks, and they merged high punch and low
punch together.
        The GG version looks VERY impressive, for a GG...

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From: [e-mail] (SHADOW)
Subject: Mortal Kombat Fatality Moves
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 00:08:03 GMT

Okay... I just got Mortal Kombat for the Sega Genesis and overall I think
that it was a fairly good transition from arcade to 16bit systems.  Okay,
maybe I think that the background graphics could have been a bit better(to
me, the colors seem a bit off), but I would still rate it pretty high.
   What I need to know is, what are the moves for all of the character's
fatalities(i.e. I know what Sub-Zeros fatality is, but I can't recall the
others).  Any help would be appreciated.

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