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- Subject: ****Conflicting Stories in 2600 Raid 11/11/92
- From: newsbytes@clarinet.com
- Date: 11 Nov 92 20:52:29 GMT
-
- WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 1992 NOV 11 (NB) -- In the on-going
- investigation of possible Secret Service involvement in the Friday,
- November 6th ejection of attendees at a "2600 meeting" from the premises
- of the Pentagon City Mall, opposing statements have come from the
- same source.
-
- Al Johnson, chief of security for the Pentagon City Mall, told
- Newsbytes on Monday, November 9th: "No one said that we were acting
- on behalf of the Secret Service. We were merely enforcing our
- regulations. While the group was not disruptive, it had pulled
- tables together and was having a meeting in our food court area.
- The food court is for people eating and is not for meetings. We
- therefore asked the people to leave."
-
- On the same day, Johnson was quoted was quoted in a Communications
- Daily article by Brock Meeks as saying, "As far as I'm concerned,
- we're out of this. The Secret Service, the FBI, they're the ones
- that ramrodded this whole thing."
-
- Newsbytes contacted Meeks to discuss the discrepancies in the stories and
- was informed that the conversation with Johnson had been taped and was
- available for review. This Newsbytes reporter listened to the tape (and
- reviewed a transcript). On the tape, Johnson was clearly heard to make the
- statement quoted by Meeks.
-
- He also said, "maybe you ought to call the Secret Service. They're
- handling this whole thing. We, we were just here," and, in response
- to a Meeks question about a Secret Service contact, "Ah.. you know,
- I don't have a contact person. These people were working on their
- own, undercover, we never got any names, but they definitely, we saw
- identification, they were here."
-
- Newsbytes contacted Johnson again on the morning of Wednesday,
- November 11 and asked him once again whether there was any Secret
- Service involvement in the action. Johnson said: "No, I told you that
- they were not involved." When it was mentioned that there was a
- story in Communications Daily, quoting him to the contrary, Johnson
- said, "I never told Meeks that. There was no Secret Service
- involvement."
-
- Informed of the possible existence of a tape quoting him to the contrary,
- Johnson said, "Meeks taped me? He can't do that. I'll show him that
- I'm not fooling around. I'll have him arrested."
-
- Johnson also said, "He asked me if the Secret Service was involved; I just
- told him that, if he thought they were, he should call them and ask them."
-
- Then Johnson again told Newsbytes that the incident was "just a mall
- problem. There were too many people congregating."
-
- In a related matter, Marc Rotenberg, director of the Washington office of
- Computer Professionals For Social Responsibility (CPSR), has announced
- that CPSR has filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the
- Secret Service asking for information concerning Secret Service
- involvement in the incident.
-
- Rotenberg told Newsbytes that the Secret Service has 10 days to respond
- to the request. He also said that CPSR "is exploring other legal
- options in this matter."
-
- The Secret Service, in earlier conversations with Newsbytes, has denied
- that the mall security was working on its behalf.
-
- In the actual incident, a group attending the informal meeting was
- disbanded and, according to attendees, had property confiscated.
- They also contend that security guards took film from someone
- photographing the confiscation as well as a list that someone was
- making of the guard's names.
-
- In his November 9th conversation with Newsbytes, Johnson denied that
- security personnel took away any film or lists and further said, "We
- did not confiscate any material. The group refused to own up to
- who owned material on the tables and in the vicinity so we collected
- it as lost material. If it turns out that anything did belong to any
- of those people, they are welcome to come in and, after making proper
- identification, take the material."
-
- 2600 meetings are promoted by "2600 Magazine: The Hacker Quarterly" and
- are held on the evening of the first Friday of each month in public
- places and malls in New York City, Washington, Philadelphia, Cambridge,
- St. Louis, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco. They are regularly
- attended by a variety of persons interested in telecommunications and
- so-called "hacker issues."
-
- (Barbara E. McMullen & John F. McMullen/19921111)
-