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The F I D O N E W S Volume 23, Number 04 23 Jan 2006
+--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
| |The newsletter of the | | |
| | FidoNet community. | | Netmail attach to (POTS): |
| | | | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-960447) |
| | ____________| | |
| | / __ | Netmail attach to (BinkP): |
| | / / \ | Editor @ 2:203/0 |
| | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | |
| \_______\(_| /_) | Email attach to: |
| _ @/_ \ _ | bfelten @ telia dot com |
| | | \ \\ | |
| | (*) | \ ))| |
| |__U__| / \// | Editor: Björn Felten |
| ______ _//|| _\ / | |
| / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. |
| (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
+--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 2
Fidonet Related Websites ................................. 2
3. ROBERT COUTURE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................ 5
FIDONet Software References .............................. 5
4. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 10
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 10
5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 12
How to Submit an Article ................................. 12
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 14
FIDONEWS 23-04 Page 1 23 Jan 2006
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
=================================================================
I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always
oppressive.
--Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787.
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FIDONEWS 23-04 Page 2 23 Jan 2006
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
=================================================================
Fidonet Related Websites
Thom LaCosta
1:261/1352
03/14/2005
One approach to tracking and viewing Fidonet related websites is to
visit webrings that specialize in Fidonet.
A webring is a method where sites having a common theme advertise
other websites with simailar themes. The advantage to the webring
concept is that in theory, the sites have an interest in maintaining
an accuate listing and can modify their own listings on a site by
site basis.
It appears that there are two fidonet webrings....the long-running
system at http://b.webring.com/hub?ring=fidonet and another at
http://www.fidonet.us/fidoring/
The ring at webring.com is larger, but forces the viewer to look at
google ads panels. The smaller ring at fidonet.us does not depend on
adverstising revenue from ads.
Sysops with Fidonet related websites should consider joining one or
both rings.
Ring News
03/13/2005
Welcome to the Positronium Repository - Software Repository of mostly
free/PD packages for DOS, Wins, OS/2 & Linux. Over 20,000 packages ...
Sysop: Ben Ritchey
02/17/2005
Fidonet webring welcomes BGD Consulting and Graphics BBS
Sysop : Barry Davis Jr
01/15/2004
Welcome to Fidotel -- Free access to Fidonet via Telnet & the Web.
Sysop: Shannon Talley
12/27/2004
Welcome to The Thunderbolt -- A Weather Wonder(Arkansas, US)
Sysop: Daryl Stout
12/5/2004
It's a pleasure to welcome two new BBS systems to the
fidonet.us webring:
Pucela BBS (Valladolid, Spain) Sysop: Komunero
The Realm of Darkness BBS Sysop: Ken Bowley
The most current version of the list below can be viewed at
FIDONEWS 23-04 Page 3 23 Jan 2006
http://www.fidonet.us/fidoring/sitelist.html
WWW.FIDONET.US - WEBRING PARTICIPANTS
BBBS Charlotte and N4RPS.net Home Page
Web Page of N4RPS, Rob Sargeant, and Web portal for BBBS Charlotte,
a Fidonet BBS located in Charlotte, North Carolina USA (1:379/2).
http://www.n4rps.net - 6-November-2003
Fidonet - Net261 - Maryland
Fidonet in Maryland - Net261
http://www.fidonet.us/net261/ - 2-March-2003
Rocasa BBS
Rocasa BBS is a system accessible as both a traditional Bulletin
Board System, via landline or telnet, as well as via the Web for
message and file access. It is also the home of the BBBS FDN.
http://bbs.rocasa.org - 16-June-2003
Prism BBS
Hq of the IFDC FileGate and the Programmers Distribution Network.
Prism has been online since 1989.
http://www.filegate.net:8080 - 11-February-2003
Fidonet.us
The Fidonet Site for all sysops.
http://www.fidonet.us - 10-February-2003
The Realm of Darkness BBS
A Linux based BBS running in Phoenix, AZ
http://www.trod.org/trod.html - 3-December-2004
Pucela BBS (Valladolid, Spain)
BBS located in Spain. The web has a lot of information about
BBS's and FidoNet in Spain, Argentina, Mexico
FidoNet: 2:341/201.
Language: Spanish.
http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/pucelabbs.htm -
18-November-2004
FTN Gate
Fidonet related site; including especially DNS hosting for
z1.fidonet.net domains.
http://www.ftngate.net - 18-September-2004
Fidonet Region 13
Home page for Fidonet Region 13.
http://www.fidonet.us/region13/ - 20-August-2004
FidoNet Primer
An introduction to FidoNet: what it is, how it works
http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html - 11-February-2003
RuneKeep BBS
A great place for new sysops to learn about BBSing and getting help
setting things up. A friendly place for people to Play Onlines Games,
FIDONEWS 23-04 Page 4 23 Jan 2006
Chat, and participate in International Message Forums.
http://runekeep.darktech.org - 10-February-2003
The Elflords' Home
Where the FidoMob meets to exercise it's mysterious control over
Zone 1
http://www.elflords.net/ - 2-March-2003
Fidonet Parody
FidoNet - An Unofficial Page where truth is stranger than fiction,
and humor abounds when the Emperor Has No Clothes.
http://www.fidonet.ro/ - 2-March-2003
Chowdanet BBS
Chowdanet offers mail from several nets, games and a large files
base. Dial up and telnet access.
http://www.chowdanet.com - 11-February-2003
The Thunderbolt -- A Weather Wonder
Arkansas' exclusive GT Power and FIDO BBS, with over 150 message
areas, over 5500 files, and over 125 REGISTERED doors.
FIDO 1:382/33 GT Power 035/005
http://www.wx1der.com - 26-December-2004
FidoTel Provides free access to Fidonet via Telnet & the Web.
Download/upload QWK packets via Telnet or Web,
Free Email with every account! Come by and see, Fidotel is Free!
http://www.fidotel.com/ Fido 1:275/311 & 100 15-January-2005
BGDCAG BBS has been around since the early 90's.
We are always looking for ways to update the BBS. Doors are always
being added. Stop by for a visit.
http://www.bgdcagbbs.com Fido 1:229/414 17-February-2005
Positronium Repository - Software Repository of mostly free/PD
packages for DOS, Wins, OS/2 & Linux. Over 20,000 packages
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/m/cmech617/positron.htm 7-March-2005
If you have a Fidonet-related site, join the ring at
http://www.fidonet.us/fidoring/
Thom
1:261/1352
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ROBERT COUTURE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
=================================================================
-=:{ FIDONet Software Reference }:=-
Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal
P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info
.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -.
|Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node|
`- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'
Argus |MI |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84
| | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889
| | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001
BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102
| | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998
BinkD |MI |http://2f.ru/binkd/
| | maloff@corbina.net
| | v0.94 on Jul 24th 2000 (Outdated)
FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280
Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net
| | v2.6b on Jul 20th 2005
FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330
Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101
| | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX
Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/
| | v1.4 RC2 on Sep 22nd 2003
Radius |MI |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38
(based on Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
| | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005
Taurus |MI |http://taurus.rinet.ru 2:461/701
(based on Radius) | | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru
| | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004
Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608
| | Website is in Russian only
WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204
Software, Inc. | | AUP 451.1 on April 26th 2004
+- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+
Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org
| | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.10
FMail |T |http://fmail.nl.eu.org
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| | support@fmail.nl.eu.org v1.60
JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de
(ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000
Squish |T |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | Lanuis site redirects to above
| | Squish is part of Maximus.
+- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+
BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net
| | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222
ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com
Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com
| | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002
EZYCom BBS |BT |http://ezycom.sytes.net
| |http://members.westnet.com.au/centuryp/
| | ezycom@westnet.com.au 3:690/682
| | v2.0 on 3 May 2003
Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org
| | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final
Maximus BBS |B |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | v3.03
MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802
Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
| | v0.60.0 on June 5th 2004
Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com
| | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001
Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net
| | groberts@nexusbbs.net
| | v0.99.41-Beta on Oct 16th 2002
| | [Note: No Longer under active
| | development.]
Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be
| | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002
RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com
| | v2.62.2SW
Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150
| | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999
Synchronet BBS |BT |http://www.synchro.net
| | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
| | v3.10L Beta
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Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net
| | support@telegard.net
| | v3.09g2 SP4
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Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
| | Last Update: August 2004
Cheepware |DU |http://cheepware.midnightshour.org
Sean Dennis | | hausmaus@midnightshour.org 1:18/200
DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201
Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
Ruth Argust | |
DoorMUD |D |http://doormud.com
| | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002
| | Website is down after
| | past the splash page.
Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
| | scott@jibben.com
| | 1995-99 Release dates
John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
| | support@johndaileysoftware.com
Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
| | nannette@shiningstar.net
Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
| | Tel: (404) 256-9518
The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
| | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases
Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
| | jpritch@eisonline.com
| | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002
Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013
Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org
| | last update: Jul 17th 2002
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APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de
| |http://www.apoint-mail.de/indexe.htm
| | (English Version)
| | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
| | v1.25 2:2426/1210.13
CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de (German Only)
| | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999
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FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de 2:2433/460
| | support@freexp.de
| | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot)
OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004
| | (Site is in German Only)
| | mk@openxp.de v3.8.15 Beta Feb 10th 2004
| | Download Page comes back 404 not found.
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GoldEd+ |E |http://mik.nu/golded-plus/ 2:203/6600
| | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003
SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de
| | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999
TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
| | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed
| | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267
+- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+
GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com
| | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997
Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
(Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001
TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
| | transnet@ressl.com.ar
| | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998
TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.start.ca/software/multiboard
Communications, Inc.| | Unsure about support now but Free Keys
| | are now available. Donations accepted.
| | v3.5 (Note: KeyGen is a Windows Program)
Ifmail |UI |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net
| | crosser@average.org 2:5020/230
| | Ifmail is a FTN <-> E-Mail/News Gateway
| | Program.
Meltdown-BBS |UI |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/
| | meltdown-bbs.project.petkan
| | @spamgourmet.com
| | Fido: 2:350/5
| | Meltdown-BBS is an FTN <->
| | Web/PHP/MySQL BBS forum system.
MakeNL |U | http://makenl.darktech.org/
| | fidonet.hub2000 [at] gmail [dot] com
| | Fido: 1:229/2000
| | FidoNet Nodelist Processor
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National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org
Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
(in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings)
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File Archives:
http://archives.thebbs.org http://www.filegate.net
http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org http://www.juge.com
http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/ http://garbo.uwasa.fi
http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu
http://maximus.midnightshour.org http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
Note: most also provide FTP access
(use ftp:// instead of http:// above)
*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*
Please send corrections & additions to: Robert Couture, 1:229/2000
E-Mail: rpa4email (at) rogers (dot) com
Telnet: runekeep.darktech.org
(Leave Feedback as Guest or create an account)
Emeritus: Ben Ritchey, Todd Cochrane, Frank Vest, Peter Popovich
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SPECIAL INTEREST
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Nodelist Stats
Input nodelist nodelist.020
size 731.7kb
date 2006-01-20
The nodelist has 6017 nodes in it
and a total of 8269 non-comment entries
including 6 zones
46 regions
358 hosts
413 hubs
admin overhead 823 ( 13.68 %)
and 841 private nodes
316 nodes down
272 nodes on hold
off line overhead 1429 ( 23.75 %)
Speed summary:
>9600 = 516 ( 8.58 %)
9600 = 4931 ( 81.95 %)
(HST = 89 or 1.80 %)
(CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(PEP = 1 or 0.02 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.02 %)
(V32 = 2537 or 51.45 %)
(V32B = 157 or 3.18 %)
(V34 = 3381 or 68.57 %)
(V42 = 2879 or 58.39 %)
(V42B = 160 or 3.24 %)
2400 = 51 ( 0.85 %)
1200 = 6 ( 0.10 %)
300 = 513 ( 8.53 %)
ISDN = 423 ( 7.03 %)
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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
----------------------------------------------------------
XA Frontdoor <1.99b 1889
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 8
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 4
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XP Seadog 2
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XR Opus 1.03 29
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XW Fido >12M 249
Tabby
KittenMail
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 2560
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
T-Mail
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None QMM 1276
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CrashMail capable = 1985 ( 32.99 %)
MailOnly nodes = 3411 ( 56.69 %)
Listed-only nodes = 497 ( 8.26 %)
Other = 124 ( 2.06 %)
[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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How to Submit an Article
If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here
are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred
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Send articles via e-mail or netmail, file attach or message to:
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Fidonet 2:2/2
E-Mail bfelten @ telia dot com
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| Editor: Björn Felten, 2:2/2 |
| Columnists: Frank Vest - Frank's Column |
| Thom LaCosta - Fidonet Related Websites |
| Robert Couture - Fidonet Software Listing |
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