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From: George.Root@leading.org (George Root)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 11:02:00 +0000
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What are the different kinds of LSD?
IB>>What do you mean by different kinds? LSD-25 is LSD-25...you know, the
IB>>"Heaven or Hell Drug" (LIFE MAGAZINE circa 1965). It may be in different
IB>>potencies -- 250 micrograms to 1,000 -- ya never know. Beware of
IB>>garbage. I am not familiar with any companies marketing the stuff under
IB>>a brand name with quality control, listed ingrediants, etc...at least
IB>>not in the USA. Back in the "old days" (my time - '66-70) you could
IB>>trust purple Owsleys and Chocolat chips...and "Dubechek's Revenge" which
IB>>was like cellophane blotters or something. <deletions>
> well, i dunno that much, but I know the difference between regular and
> poison acid. Poison acid you have absolutly no control over your body
> whatsoever. That's the stuff people think they're oranges and if anyone
> touches them as they try t peel of their face they will turn into orange
> juice. about all i know, other than that it's all different, most have
> speed, almost all, fake nowadays is just speed or rat poison,
> umm..that's it
From 1972 to 1977 i was Director of Florida's anonymous
street drug testing program (Clearwater Free Clinic/Drug
Analysis Project) and later was a research associate with
UpFront, Inc. in Miami (1978 & 79). During this period of
time i was directly familiar with the results from our
analytical labs and those operating in California, Oregon
and Detroit. I recall NO instances of samples of (actual)
LSD being combined with strychnine, brucine or amphetamines
and derivitives of amphetamine. (Which is not to say that
there were no instances of people intentionally co-dosing
with other drugs such as amphetamine; seems to me there were
some clinical experiments where such a combination was tested
and i recall people telling me about instances when they had
done the same.)
Of course, there were samples that were out-and-out
misrepresentations. Generally these were easily
distinguished from legitamate LSD by such signs as dosage
quantity and form. Strychnine, brucine and amphetamine are
typically active at dosage levels in the milligram ranges
which are considerably higher than that of LSD. I also
recall that there was a time when "white crosses" were
analyzed to be brucine rather than amphetamine.
In the early 70's the typical dosage range of LSD on the
street was from ~100 ug to ~300 ug. From the late 70's to
the present (far as i know) the typical dosase is ~40 ug to
~100 ug (with some exceptions, the "Bay Area" blotters are
typically in higher dose ranges than that of "Southern
Cal.")
It may well be, from what folks tell me, that typical dose
ranges have crept up again from the typical lows of the
80's. It has been many years since i have been directly
involved with qualitative/quantitative analysis programs.
The physiological signs which people attribute to being due
to "bad acid" or to stychinine, amphetamine and the like
seem to show up in the literature for clinical
experimentation with LSD. So, it is likely that to some
extent these effects are potentially found in association
with LSD itself. Although, based on field work and other
experience i am inclined to think that factors such as
dietary, endocrine rythems & diurnal cycles, as well as
set & setting influence the extent to which undesirable
effects may exhibit with various entheogens. The Yachajruna
(Quijos, Ecuador) who was my informant was very particular
about diet and lunar phase when using (enetama)
Banisteriopsis sp. Many traditional users of entheogens
(i.e., shaman's as categorized in anthropology) insist
on "purification(s)" being performed before utilization of
an entheogen.
Further, there are possibly effects which might be attributed to
the agent (LSD) such as by-products of synthesis and
degradation products. It seems reasonable that this would
increase the likelyhood of undesirable effects... yet even
this is not real clear as there is so much variation between
individuals and individual trips. I have observed people
who had signs of discomfort yet reported no subjective
discomfort and vice-versa.
All exogenous agents seem to produce varying degrees of
desirable/undesirable effects.
Cheers
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 19
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
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George Root
George.Root@leading.org
The Leading Edge BBS Wurtsboro, NY (914) 888-4295
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