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    This article was in last month's issue of Urb magazine (#26) - is this
a late April Fool's joke or something real?  All I can say is I haven't heard
it mentioned here or among anyone I know....

    I checked PIHKAL, and the only thing I could find was GAMMA, which
is related to MDA.  This drug below sounds a little like MDA I guess.  I
make no apologies as to the grammar and content of the article, I just want
to know what this stuff is.  A lot of his references sound pretty bogus...



LIQUID X

What is GHB?

    In the past few months GHB (Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate) has become a
staple drug in the underground scene.  All but replacing Ecstasy (MDMA),
it's now on the forefront of what seems like a new drug revolution.
    It has even been dubbed "liquid ecstasy."  It's highly concentrated
street form is available as a liquid in small plastic bottles, about the size
and shape of a hotel shampoo bottle.  One dosage is usually a capful.  There
are approximately 9 hits per bottle, and at $10 a bottle, not only is this
drug potent, it's very cheap as well.
    GHB's relation to MDMA is uncanny, but some say its effects are more
like a hybrid of acid and ecstasy.  Despite its relatedness though, it's
chemical composition is a far cry from that of X.  Ecstasy is in the chemical
family of amphetamines, GHB is not.  The analogy between the two probably stems
from the physical effects the drug has on the user.  Both enhance the sense
of touch greatly, causing the user the desire to touch and feel.
    The sedative effects of the drug are also worth mentioning, as it can
be very strong.  Quite often, with a sufficient dose, the user can nod off
completely and go to sleep or find themselves in a state of unmovable [sic]
helplessness.  To some, this is unpleasant because the brain is functioning
quite rapidly but they don't have much control over what they can do
physically.  Several ephedrine or a rail of amphetamines have been used to
counteract this effect with much success, causing a very happy and ecstatic
high.  This combination of GHB and speed are for many the only way they will
take the drug.
    The history of GHB is very interesting.  Developed almost a decade ago,
it's [sic] initial purpose was an alternative anaesthetic to be used for
surgery and medical operations.  Due to the unpredicatable qualities of the
drug and its obvious side effects,  it was soon discarded by the medical
community at large.  Later, other doctors realized that it was a very strong
growth hormone stimulate and was then promoted for muscle growth, weight loss
and dieting.  This caught on very big in the body building community and
before long every health food store had a good supply of it.  During the late
'80s, it's [sic] overwhelming popularity among body builders incited increased
medical testing to further study the effects of the drug.  During these tests,
they found that it was a very powerful neurotransmitter, increasing the
dopamine level in the central nervous system.  This caused an upset, and in
1991 the FDA had it classified as _Narcotics_1_, restricting its use to
licensed researchers only and made it a misdemeanor to possess or sell it.
    The negative effects of GHB are documented, although I have little
knowlege of any of these things happening. _Epileptic_Grand_Mal_Seizures_
sometimes occur under high dosages of the drug.  Coma has also been known
to occur.  The addictive qualities are unknown, but I have yet to meet any
"GHB Junkies."  A few weeks ago at a club in L.A., a girl died while on GHB
and several other drugs.  Because of the mix of drugs, it's hard to attribute
it to any one thing.  GHB may have played a part in her death.
    Another thing to consider with this drug is it's [sic] unpredictability
with certain individuals.  A half hit to one person may seem like 5 or 6 hits
to another.  Because of this, great caution and care should be taken while
experimenting with this drug.  Don't overdo it!
    The fact that GHB was made illegal is not surprising.  But it serves as
further evidence that consciousness-expanding practices are not tolerated and
[are] seen as a direct threat to the establishment.  Yet the establishment will
not look deeper to find the benefits or revelance such drugs can have.  The ban
on drugs like GHB exhibits the lack of control we have over our own bodies and
minds.  _Remember,_drug_use_is_a_personal_choice_.  You choose.  Food for
thought.

    --- Cohry O.

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In a previous article (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) has written:
>    This article was in last month's issue of Urb magazine (#26) - is this
>a late April Fool's joke or something real?  All I can say is I haven't heard
>it mentioned here or among anyone I know....

I just poked Medline for the following info.  Apparently the name
is exactly correct and it DOES have abuse potential.  As far as
it being an MDMA substitute- I doubt this material has that potential,
especially with respect to therapeutic applications.


Joseph A Tucker
[e-mail]
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MED-> f kw gamma hydroxy butyrate

   Search request: F KW GAMMA HYDROXY BUTYRATE
   Search result:  5 citations in the Medline database

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MED-> d short ab
Search request: F KW GAMMA HYDROXY BUTYRATE
Search result:  5 citations in the Medline database

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1. Lane RB.
     Gamma hydroxy butyrate (GHB) [letter; comment].
   Jama, 1991 Jun 12, 265(22):2959.
     (UI:  91237970)
     Pub type:  Comment; Letter.

2. Gamma hydroxy butyrate poisoning.
   Medical Letter on Drugs and Therapeutics, 1991 Jan 25, 33(836):8.
     (UI:  91094712)

3. From the Centers for Disease Control. Multistate outbreak of poisonings
     associated with illicit use of gamma hydroxy butyrate [see comments].
   Jama, 1991 Jan 23-30, 265(4):447-8.
     (UI:  91087349)

4. Multistate outbreak of poisonings associated with illicit use of gamma
     hydroxy butyrate.
   Mmwr. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 1990 Nov 30, 39(47):861-3.
     (UI:  91042306)

5. Fisher RS.
     Animal models of the epilepsies.
   Brain Research. Brain Research Reviews, 1989 Jul-Sep, 14(3):245-78.
     (UI:  90029159)
     Pub type:  Journal Article; Review; Review, Academic.

Abstract: The study of mechanisms of the epilepsies requires employment of
    animal models. Choice of a model system depends upon several factors,
    including the question to be studied, the type of epilepsy to be modelled,
    familiarity and convenience. Over 50 models are reviewed. Major categories
    of models are those for simple partial seizures: topical convulsants, acute
    electrical stimulation, cortically implanted metals, cryogenic injury; for
    complex partial seizures: kainic acid, tetanus toxin, injections into area
    tempesta, kindling, rodent hippocampal slice, isolated cell preparations,
    human neurosurgical tissue; for generalized tonic-clonic seizures:
    genetically seizure-prone strains of mouse, rat, gerbil, fruitfly and
    baboon, maximal electroshock seizures, systemic chemical convulsants,
    metabolic derangements; and for generalized absence seizures: thalamic
    stimulation, bilateral cortical foci, systemic penicillin,
    gamma-hydroxy-butyrate, intraventricular opiates, genetic rat models. The
    lithium-pilocarpine, homocysteine and rapid repetitive stimulation models
    are most useful in studies of status epilepticus. Key findings learned from
    each of the models, the model's strengths and weaknesses are detailed.
    Interpretation of findings from each of these models can be difficult. Do
    results pertain to the epilepsies or to the particular model under study?
    How important are species differences? Which clinical seizure type is
    really being modelled? In a model are behavior or EEG findings only similar
    superficially to epilepsy, or are the mechanisms comparable? The wealth of
    preparations available to model the epilepsies underscores the need for
    unifying themes, and for better understanding of basic mechanisms of the
    epilepsies.

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From: [e-mail] (Herb Greene)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: G H B
Date: 28 May 1993 18:29:21 GMT
Message-ID: <1u5lm1$[e-mail]>

Posted anonymously for my friend Frank.  I will forward all replies.
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Sorry for being anonymous but I wish to be too frank.  I have been
doing some self experimentation with GHB that I would like to report.
GHB is gamma-hydroxy-butyrate (I think I spelled it right.)  It is a
waxy and very hygroscopic solid.  The literature shows results in
experiments using it as treatment for several things but the one that
caught my eye was its use with alcoholics.  I am an alcoholic with a
perpetual fight to keep control.  I do not abstain.  I have a desire or
need to alter my conciousness in the evenings mostly that I don't wish
to speculate about.  For the purpose of this discussion, for whatever
reason, that is a given.

The research results relate to its use in alcoholics as a treatment for
the effects of alcohol poisoning.  A detox helper as it were. It seems
to aleviate many of the symptoms such as trembling and sweating.  I
tried it out of curiousity and found the psychoactive effect to be
extremely pleasant.  For me it satisfies virtually every reason that I
drink alcohol.  The subjective experience is similar in a few regards.
Dizziness and disruption of motor control are equivalent to or worse
than alcohol for the equivalent buzz.  That is about the only down
side.  An astonishing thing for me though is that one is much less
likely to be foolish enough to attempt to drive or operate machinery
than one would with an equivalent motor disruption from alcohol.  It
lacks the agressive quality that seems to make one feel capable with
alcohol.

This lack of agressive content is a very distinguishing difference
between it and alcohol in general.  I tend to get nasty or fight easily
when on alcohol as do many and I think my own observation is likely to
be a general effect.  One tends to get silly.  One can become as
intoxicated as one wishes but I find I tend to modulate it much better
than alcohol which has a runaway effect with me.

It definitely acts as a disinhibitor similarly to alcohol.  Talking is
facilitated but one retains a coherence that makes it a good deal more
meaningful than talk similarly facilitated with alcohol.  I am also a
very good listner when high on GHB.  It has an empathogenic quality.
Not nearly as profound as MDMA for example but in the same vein.  I
feel it actually does facilitate communication that is more normal than
what alcohol provides.  I am fairly buzzed at the moment and I will let
you judge my coherence.

I, as many alcoholics, turn to aclcohol particularly heavily when in
emotional pain due to loss, rejection and the like.  I have found
though that it does not help a whit as much as we treat ourselves with
it for that pain.  In fact alcohol causes depression and a deeper slide
into self pity and sorrow.  GHB on the other hand does relieve such
pain to a remarkable degree.  To a degree that I have found lasting.  I
am saying that it may well be therapeutic for people in such a state.
I have two personal experiences with this effect.

Physiologically, and speaking only subjectively, it is much kinder than
alcohol.  There does not appear to be any toxicity.  No shaking, no
sweating, no weak knees or any of the symptoms we alcoholics have come
to know and love.  And most miraculously, no hangover.  On the contrary
I and others that I know who have experimented with it all agree that
one awakes feeling more rested than normal and in a far better mood the
morning after a GHB evening than an evening without.  I know of no
toxicity studies at the dosages I take however and wish one of y'all
would take that on.

The dosage I take recreationally is about a half teaspoon.  I haven't
weighed it.  It comes on pretty fast, under a half an hour, and I will
usually take another half teaspoon within an hour and no more then for
several.  It is long lasting, four to six hours of motor impairment.
It also makes one pee for some reason in the middle of the night which
I rarely do normally.  One takes it mixed in a glass of warm to hot
water.  It takes a few minutes to disolve and is sort of fun to watch
since it seriously messes with the index of refraction of water as it
disolves.

It is fairly soporific and highly relaxing with a time dilating effect
similar to mushrooms but less profound.  It is not at all psychedelic
or entactogenic.  It is easy to go to sleep at any time after the
effects come on.  It is sexually arousing in a very relaxed sort of way
but I find it difficult to climax.  I can enjoy sex however for
prolonged periods.  A friend of mine has an occasional incidence of
falling asleep during sex however.  It doesn't bother him but it does
not thrill his wife.  :-)  I would definitely clasify it as a mild
aphrodesiac especially with its disinhibiting effect.  I have not
"tried it out" on the unwary, however, to see if it would entice the
reluctant.  I suspect, however, that it would and might even be useful
for sexual dysfunction brought on by stress or by anxiety about the act
itself in many of the myriad ways that can be caused.

To me its most profound effect is how it has changed my relationship to
alcohol.  I struggle nightly with the desire to drink.  I lose all too
frequently.  I have controlled it for several years with antabuse when
I get a hangover two days in a row.  If I have GHB available I have
*no* desire for alcohol.  I would much rather use it for whatever it is
I use alcohol for.  I have been using it regularly this round for about
two weeks and in that time have used alcohol to excess twice.  Each
time I stopped short of going where I usually do with distinct feelings
of dysphoria.  Like, why on earth did I do that and how long do I have
to wait for the effects of the alcohol to wear off?  This is a new
experience for me with regard to alcohol.  I am out of it as of tonight
with no chance for resupply for a while and I am interested to see if
this effect lasts.

This is my third or fourth round with it, this being the longest.  I
have not experienced any sort of withdrawal symptoms when my supply is
removed.  There is no excess craving or nervousness.  It is much like
being cut off from marijuana.  You miss it but so what.  For me,
however, the effects are positive enough that I probably would use it
regularly if regularly available.  I have used it in several small
groups without it being seriously noticed and the next time it is
available I wish to try it out in a bar or club setting.  It should
*not* be mixed with alcohol.  They each enhance the other and one feels
very inebriated very fast.  It mixes well with pot.

I am now feeling near full effects of about a level teasoon.  It is
sufficient.  A friend uses much larger dosages.  He had an experience
combining a fiarly large dose of GHB, probably three or four times my
dosage, and an amphetamine like stimulant.  He lost all motor control,
couldn't even hold a glass.  He scared the hell out of his wife who
thought he was lost to the world but internally he was having a
thouroughly delightful time bouncing between the stimulated state and
the soporific state.

I have decided that the next time I am able to obtain a signifignat
quantity I am going to give it to a very close woman friend that is
also struggling and losing with alcohol.  I have told her all about it
so I am not talking dosing any one.  I am not very comfortable with the
ethics of doing this since so damned little research has been done on
long term use but I see her life slipping away and I really think this
will help.  She knows it is experimental and I have summarized the
research I have done and made the synopses of the papers available for
her to read herself.  I would like feedback on this.  Please keep your
flamethrowers on standby for a bit though and consider the alternatives
first.  This person is not a candidate for any treatment program or
help group.  Just out of the question for many reasons.

As far as treatment for alcoholism it first must be shown that it is
safe and then one must deal with the thorny issue of whether or not it
is ok to substitute one mind altering substance for another as
therapy.  I know that the established alcohol treatment infrastructure
will not like that idea much at all.

Well, that's about it.  I wish someone of you would do some kind of
controled research on this stuff.  There seem to me to be many areas
that could be explored.

BTW The last half or so of this post was written while in a fairly
delightful state of mild alteration from GHB and it still has a bit
to come on yet.

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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: [e-mail] (Brian Sassone)
Subject: Re: G H B
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 22:05:37 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Myers) writes:

>A friend of mine in Florida is doing a newspaper article on the
>rave scene, and he called me to ask if I'd ever heard of GHB...
>I hadn't...  It's supposedly a big deal in LA, Vegas and NYC...
>All I know is it comes as a liquid, it's supposedly a hallucenogen,
>and there are allegedly no 'after effects'...  Anyone tried this??

A friend of mine (in SF) accidently ingested a high dose (2-3 hits?) of
this that was in someone's beer.  She said it was *very* intense.  It only
lasted a few hours and as she came down, she started crying uncontrollably.
(However, she *had* just broken up with her boyfriend, so was already
emotionally disraught.)  She likened the effects similar to MDMA as far as
empathy goes.  She also said she lost partial motor-control as she kept
dropping things.  She didn't have any significant lingering effects after
only 5-6 hours.

She was concerned the following week that it may have had some more subtle
lasting effects.  She noticed seeing herself in the mirror as 'different';
like she had never seen herself that way before.  However, she had also just
quit a long caffeine addiction (with high octane coffee) so this may also
have been a contributing factor.  It's been a couple of weeks since then,
and she has ad no furhter evidence of any lasting effects.

I've looked through various archives and have found no mention of this drug.
We would still like to find out exactly what it is and any other information
about it.


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-bS                            "A happy face,
[e-mail]                 a funkin' bass,
A lowly raver without a glowstick.             for a loving race."
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Sassone)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Subject: GHB References [long]
To: [e-mail] (Bay Area Ravers)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 00:03:25 -0700 (MST)

Just so everybody knows some of the facts about this stuff, here is a list
of references w/ abstracts culled from a medline search awhile back.  Sorry
for the long post, but I think it's important if your entertaining ideas of
possible experimentation.

I also have a fairly long post of a person who has done some experimentation
with GHB to offset alcohol cravings.  If anybody is interested, let me
know.

       1
AN MJJA-338363.  91034.
OC 91034.
TI Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate Poisoning.
SO The Medical Letter on Drugs and Therapeutics. 1991 Jan 25. 33(836).
   p 8.
PU The Medical Letter, Inc.
   Copyright 1991 by The Medical Letter, Inc.
PD 910125.
PT Article (ART).
IS 0025-732X.
TX 1 OF 5.
        Gamma hydroxy butyrate (GHB) sold in health food stores has
   recently caused outbreaks of gastrointestinal illness,
   central-nervous-system (CNS) depression, and seizures (Morbid Mortal
   Weekly Rep, 39:861, Nov 30, 1990).
        THE DRUG - GHB is an endogenous substance produced by the
   metabolism of the neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid.  The
   metabolite is itself neuroactive, increasing dopamine levels in the
   brain and acting on the endogenous opioid system (M Mamelak, Neurosci
   Biobehav Rev, 13:187, 1989).
   3 OF 5.
        SOURCES - GHB has been used experimentally in the USA for
   treatment of narcolepsy because it can induce a normal pattern of
   rapid-eye-movement (REM) and non-REM sleep.  GHB is sold in health
   food stoes in the USA, usually as the sodium salt in tablets or as a
   powder, with instructions to take 1 tablet or 1/2 tablet to three
   teaspoons of the powder dissolved in water at bedtime.  The amount of
   GHB contained in these preparations is not known.  Names for the drug
   have included Sodium Oxybate, Sodium Oxybutyrate, Gamma
   Hydroxybutyrate Sodium, Gamm-OH, 4-Hydroxy Butyrate, Gamma Hydrate,
   and Somatomax PM.  It is promoted (illegally) for sleep, weight
   control, and for euphoric and anabolic effects.  GHB has been sold
   particularly to bodybuilders with the claim that stimulates growth
   hormone release.
   4 OF 5.
        CLINICAL EFFECTS - An oral dose of 10 mg/kg can cause amnesia
   and hypotonia; 20 to 30 mg/kg of GHB can produce somnolence within 15
   minutes.  Taking more than 50 mg/kg can result in abrupt
   unconsciousness and coma.  Patients who have taken 1/2 to 3 teaspoons
   have had symptoms varying from nausea, vomiting, dizziness,
   confusion, and drowsiness to depressed respiration and seizure-like
   activity.  Some patients have developed bradycardia and hypotension.
   No deaths have been reported.  Signs and symptoms subsided
   spontaneously within eight hours in most patients, although some
   complained of dizziness for as long as two weeks.  GHB apparently
   acts synergistically with alcohol to produce CNS and respiratory
   depression.  Naloxone (Narcan; and others) has not been effective as
   an antidote.
   5 OF 5.
        CONCLUSION - Gamma hydroxy butyrate (GHB) sold in health food
   stores as an aid to sleep and bodybuilding has caused severe illness,
   including seizures and coma.  No specific treatment is available, but
   all patients so far have recovered spontaneously.

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       1
AN MJBB-394706.  91074.
OC 91074.
TI Epidemiologic Notes and Reports: Multistate Outbreak of Poisonings
   Associated with Illicit Use of Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate.
SO Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR). 1990 Nov 30. 39(47). pp
   861-863.
PU Printed and distributed by the Massachusetts Medical Society;
   Information provided by the Centers for Disease Control.
PD 901130.
PT Article (ART).
IS 0149-2195.
TX 1 OF 12.
        On August 7, 1990, the San Francisco Bay Area Regional Poison
   Control Center notified the regional office of the Food and Drug
   Administration (FDA) and the California Department of Health Services
   of acute poisonings attributed to ingestion of gamma hydroxy butyrate
   (GHB), which recently has been illicitly marketed nationwide.
   Manifestations included gastrointestinal symptoms, central nervous
   system (CNS) and respiratory depression, and uncontrolled movements.
   Subsequent surveillance, based on contacts among poison-control
   centers, led to the recognition that similar poisonings had been
   independently identified in several states.  This report summarizes
   findings from the preliminary investigation of this problem.
   2 OF 12.
        From June 4 through November 28, 1990, at least 57 cases of
   illness attributed to GHB exposure have been reported from California
   (25 cases, 17 from the San Francisco area); Georgia (15, all from the
   greater Atlanta area); Florida (seven, six from the greater Tampa
   area); South Carolina (three); Minnesota (two); Arizona (two); and
   Ohio, Texas, and Virginia (one each).  Patients have presented with
   histories of ingesting 1/2 -3 teaspoons of GHB dissolved in water;
   ingestion is followed within 15-60 minutes by onset of one or more of
   the following: vomiting, drowsiness, hypnagogic state, hypotonia,
   and/or vertigo.  Loss of consciousness, irregular and depressed
   respiration, tremors, or myoclonus may follow.  Seizure-like
   activity, bradycardia, hypotension, and/or respiratory arrest have
   also been reported.  Spontaneous resolution occurs in 2-96 hours.
   The severity and duration of symptoms appear to depend on the dose of
   GHB and/or the presence of other CNS depressants, most frequently
   ethanol.  In 11 of 12 Georgia patients, four of five Florida
   patients, and three of four California patients for whom concurrent
   drug status was known, other psychoactive drugs--including ethanol,
   benzodiazepines, cannabis, and amphetamines--also had been used.
   3 OF 12.
        Although no deaths have been reported, most patients have
   required emergency room care; at least 11 were hospitalized, and nine
   required ventilator support or other intensive care.  Therapeutic
   efforts consisted of nonspecific supportive care.
   4 OF 12.
        On November 8, FDA issued an advisory warning that GHB use
   outside of FDA-approved physician-supervised protocols was unsafe and
   illicit and should stop *RF 1 *.  Persons who have used GHB and have
   symptoms should consult a physician.  Ill persons, physicians, and
   emergency room staff are encouraged to report suspected cases of
   GHB-related illness to their regional poison-control centers and
   state health departments.  FDA's investigation into the source(s) of
   this illicit distribution is ongoing.  Sale of GHB was banned by
   California on November 8 and by Florida on November 9.
   5 OF 12.
        Reported by: JE Dyer, PharmD, San Francisco Bay Area Regional
   Poison Control Center; R Kreutzer, MD, A Quattrone, PhD, KW Kizer,
   MD, California Dept of Health Svcs.  RJ Geller, MD, Georgia Poison
   Control Center; JD Smith, Georgia Dept of Human Resources.  SA
   Normann, PharmD, Florida Poison Information Center; AJ Hill, RA
   Calder, MD, State Epidemiologist, Florida Dept of Health and
   Rehabilitative Svcs.  T Litovitz, MD, American Association of Poison
   Control Centers.  Food and Drug Administration.  Div of Environmental
   Hazards and Health Effects, Center for Environmental Health and
   Injury Control, CDC.
   6 OF 12.
        Editorial Note: In the United States, the only legal use of GHB
   (HOOC-CH sub 2 -CH sub 2 -CH sub 2 OH) has been under specific FDA
   exemptions for investigational research protocols (e.g., treatment of
   narcolepsy).  In Europe, GHB has also been used as an anesthetic
   adjunct and experimentally to treat posthypoxic cerebral edema and
   ethanol withdrawal.  During controlled clinical use, the same dose of
   GHB sometimes caused different responses in different patients and
   different responses in the same person at different times (M.
   Mamelak, personal communication, 1990).
        GHB has been illegally marketed under a variety of names,
   including Gamma Hydroxybutyric Acid, Sodium Oxybate, Sodium
   Oxybutyrate, Gamma Hydroxybutyrate Sodium, Gamma-OH, 4-Hydroxy
   Butyrate, Gamma Hydrate, and Somatomax PM.  It is distributed as the
   sodium salt in powder or tablet form and is commonly dissolved in
   water.
   8 OF 12.
        GHB has been marketed illicitly to body builders since at least
   May 1990; it also has been promoted illicitly for weight control and
   as a sleep aid.  In addition, GHB has been illicitly touted as a
   "replacement" for L-tryptophan, which had been marketed as a food
   supplement but was recalled in November 1989 when the epidemic of
   eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome was recognized *RF 2 *.
   9 OF 12.
        GHB allegedly produces a "high," which has led to its further
   use as an illicit drug.  Although the concurrent use of other drugs
   with similar toxicities may confuse the clinical, toxicologic, and
   epidemiologic presentation of this problem, the reported symptoms of
   GHB toxicity are the same as the known pharmacologic effects of the
   drug.  A causal association between use of GHB and these poisonings
   is also supported by the rapid onset of symptoms after ingestion of
   GHB, more severe and prolonged symptoms associated with larger doses
   of GHB, and occurrence of illness in persons who have not used other
   drugs.
   10 OF 12.
        GHB is produced by the body as a normal metabolite and is not a
   nutritional requirement.  In the brain, GHB increases dopamine
   levels, has effects through the endogenous opioid system, and
   probably has effects through other independent receptor-dependent
   mechanisms.  GHB is present in many peripheral sites, including the
   kidney, heart, skeletal muscle, and brown fat.  GHB is well absorbed
   orally, readily crosses the blood-brain barrier, and is subsequently
   metabolized to carbon dioxide and water without active metabolites
   *RF 3,4 *.  Effects include amnesia and hypotonia from doses as low
   as 10 mg/kg, a normal sequence of REM and non-REM sleep from 20-30
   mg/kg doses (1-3 g per dose were used in U. S. narcolepsy studies *RF
   5 *), and anesthesia from doses of approximately 50 mg/kg.  In doses
   greater than 50 mg/kg, GHB decreases cardiac output and subsequently
   produces increasingly severe respiratory depression, seizure-like
   activity, and/or coma *RF 4,5 *.  Other effects suggest that, during
   hypoxia and other energy-limiting conditions, GHB may play a role in
   reducing energy-substrate demand and consumption and in preventing
   the production of free radicals *RF 4 *.
   11 OF 12.
        GHB acts synergistically with ethanol to produce CNS and
   respiratory depression; ethanol also increases the endogenous levels
   of GHB *RF 4 *.  GHB may potentiate the effects of narcotic
   analgesics and skeletal muscle relaxants and may be potentiated by
   the actions of benzodiazepines and neuroleptics *RF 5 *.  Although
   antagonism may occur with d-amphetamine, naloxone, haloperidol, and
   drugs used for absence seizures *RF 4 *, these experimental
   antagonists have not been assessed as possible treatments for GHB
   overdose.  Anecdotally, naloxone has not been effective in treating
   a limited number of GHB-related poisonings.
   12 OF 12.
        The focus of public education efforts should be that products
   such as GHB that are promoted for physiologic effects act on the body
   as drugs.  In this context, advertising terms such as "natural,"
   "organic," or "supplement" do not imply safety or legality.
RF 1 OF 5.
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AN 91237970.  91000.
AU Lane-R-B.
TI Gamma hydroxy butyrate (GHB) [letter; comment].
CM Comment on: JAMA 1991 Jan 23-30;265(4):447-8.
SO JAMA.  1991 Jun 12.  265(22).  P 2959.
JT JAMA.
PT COMMENT (COM).  LETTER (LET).
LG English (EN).
MJ HYDROXYBUTYRATES: poisoning (po).
MN ADULT.  ANESTHESIA.  CHILD.  CHILD-PRESCHOOL.  HUMAN.
RN 0 -- Hydroxybutyrates.
SB Abridged Index Medicus Journals (A).  Priority Journals (M).  Cancer
   Journals (X).
YR 1991.
IS 0098-7484.  KFR.
CP UNITED-STATES (Z1.107.567.875).
IM 9108.
ND ENTRY DATE: 910627.
   LAST REVISION DATE: 910912.
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AN 91094712.  91000.
TI Gamma hydroxy butyrate poisoning.
SO Med-Lett-Drugs-Ther.  1991 Jan 25.  33(836).  P 8.
JT MEDICAL LETTER ON DRUGS AND THERAPEUTICS.
PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).
LG English (EN).
MJ CENTRAL-NERVOUS-SYSTEM-DISEASES: chemically-induced (ci).
   GASTROINTESTINAL-DISEASES: chemically-induced (ci).  SEIZURES:
   chemically-induced (ci).  SODIUM-OXYBATE: poisoning (po).
MN HUMAN.  QUACKERY.
RN 502-85-2 -- Sodium-Oxybate.
SB Abridged Index Medicus Journals (A).  Priority Journals (M).
YR 1991.
IS 0025-732X.  M52.
CP UNITED-STATES (Z1.107.567.875).
IM 9104.
ND ENTRY DATE: 910213.

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AN 91087349.  91000.
TI From the Centers for Disease Control.  Multistate outbreak of
   poisonings associated with illicit use of gamma hydroxy butyrate [see
   comments].
CM Comment in: JAMA 1991 Jun 12;265(22):2959.
SO JAMA.  1991 Jan 23-30.  265(4).  P 447-8.
JT JAMA.
PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).
LG English (EN).
MJ DISEASE-OUTBREAKS.  SODIUM-OXYBATE: poisoning (po).
MN EMERGENCIES.  HUMAN.  POISONING: epidemiology (ep).
   POPULATION-SURVEILLANCE.  UNITED-STATES: epidemiology (ep).
RN 502-85-2 -- Sodium-Oxybate.
SB Abridged Index Medicus Journals (A).  Priority Journals (M).  Cancer
   Journals (X).
YR 1991.
IS 0098-7484.  KFR.
CP UNITED-STATES (Z1.107.567.875).
IM 9104.
ND ENTRY DATE: 910207.
   LAST REVISION DATE: 910912.

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AN 91042306.  91000.
TI Multistate outbreak of poisonings associated with illicit use of
   gamma hydroxy butyrate.
SO MMWR-Morb-Mortal-Wkly-Rep.  1990 Nov 30.  39(47).  P 861-3.
JT MMWR.  MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY WEEKLY REPORT.
PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).
LG English (EN).
MJ DISEASE-OUTBREAKS.  SODIUM-OXYBATE: poisoning (po).
MN EMERGENCIES.  HUMAN.  POISONING: epidemiology (ep).
   POPULATION-SURVEILLANCE.  UNITED-STATES: epidemiology (ep).
RN 502-85-2 -- Sodium-Oxybate.
SB Priority Journals (M).
YR 1990.
IS 0149-2195.  NE8.
CP UNITED-STATES (Z1.107.567.875).
IM 9102.
ND ENTRY DATE: 901219.
   CLASS UPDATE: 91.

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AN 90029159.  90000.
AU Fisher-R-S.
IN Department of Neurology, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine,
   Baltimore, MD 21205.
TI Animal models of the epilepsies.
SO Brain-Res-Brain-Res-Rev.  1989 Jul-Sep.  14(3).  P 245-78.
JT BRAIN RESEARCH.  BRAIN RESEARCH REVIEWS.
PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).  REVIEW (REV).  REVIEW-ACADEMIC (RAC).
LG English (EN).
AB The study of mechanisms of the epilepsies requires employment of
   animal models.  Choice of a model system depends upon several
   factors, including the question to be studied, the type of epilepsy
   to be modelled, familiarity and convenience.  Over 50 models are
   reviewed.  Major categories of models are those for simple partial
   seizures: topical convulsants, acute electrical stimulation,
   cortically implanted metals, cryogenic injury; for complex partial
   seizures: kainic acid, tetanus toxin, injections into area tempesta,
   kindling, rodent hippocampal slice, isolated cell preparations, human
   neurosurgical tissue; for generalized tonic-clonic seizures:
   genetically seizure-prone strains of mouse, rat, gerbil, fruitfly and
   baboon, maximal electroshock seizures, systemic chemical convulsants,
   metabolic derangements; and for generalized absence seizures:
   thalamic stimulation, bilateral cortical foci, systemic penicillin,
   gamma-hydroxy-butyrate, intraventricular opiates, genetic rat models.
   The lithium-pilocarpine, homocysteine and rapid repetitive
   stimulation models are most useful in studies of status epilepticus.
   Key findings learned from each of the models, the model's strengths
   and weaknesses are detailed.  Interpretation of findings from each of
   these models can be difficult.  Do results pertain to the epilepsies
   or to the particular model under study?  How important are species
   differences?  Which clinical seizure type is really being modelled?
   In a model are behavior or EEG findings only similar superficially to
   epilepsy, or are the mechanisms comparable?  The wealth of
   preparations available to model the epilepsies underscores the need
   for unifying themes, and for better understanding of basic mechanisms
   of the epilepsies.  Author-abstract. 332 Refs.
MJ CONVULSANTS: pharmacology (pd).  DISEASE-MODELS-ANIMAL.  EPILEPSY:
   physiopathology (pp).  KINDLING-NEUROLOGY.
MN ANIMAL.  EPILEPSY: chemically-induced (ci).  SUPPORT-NON-U-S-GOVT.
   SUPPORT-U-S-GOVT-P-H-S.
RN 0 -- Convulsants.
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YR 1989.
IS 0165-0173.  BRS.
CP NETHERLANDS (Z1.542.651).
IM 9002.
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   CLASS UPDATE: 92.
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AN 81230352.  81000.
AU Hoang-P-T.  Pourriat-J-L.  Rathat-C.  Cupa-M.
IN Departement D'Anesthesie-Reanimation, Bobigny-Bondy, Hopital
   Avicenne, Bobigny.
TI [Status asthmaticus.  Mechanical ventilation with association sodium
   gamma hydroxy-butyrate and pancuronium bromide (author's transl)].
TT L'etat de mal asthmatique.  Ventilation assistee a l'aide de
   l'association gamma-hydroxy-butyrate de sodium-bromure de
   pancuronium.
SO Anesth-Analg (Paris).  1981.  38(1-2).  P 43-6.
JT ANESTHESIE, ANALGESIE, REANIMATION.
PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).
LG French (FR).
AB The authors have added to the usual therapy (corticoids, antibiotics,
   bronchodilatators) of 13 cases of status asthmaticus the following
   association: sodic gamma hydroxybutyrate and pancuronium bromid so
   they have noted in every case of quick decrease of bronchospasm
   allowing the stopping of the mechanical ventilation.
   Author-abstract.
MJ ASTHMA: therapy (th).  HYDROXYBUTYRATES: therapeutic-use (tu).
   PANCURONIUM: therapeutic-use (tu).  RESPIRATION-ARTIFICIAL.
   SODIUM-OXYBATE: therapeutic-use (tu).
MN ADULT.  DRUG-THERAPY-COMBINATION.  ENGLISH-ABSTRACT.  FEMALE.  HUMAN.
   MALE.  MIDDLE-AGE.
RN 0 -- Hydroxybutyrates.
   15500-66-0 -- Pancuronium.
   502-85-2 -- Sodium-Oxybate.
SB Priority Journals (M).
YR 1981.
IS 0003-3014.  4RU.
CP FRANCE (Z1.542.286).
IM 8110.
ND ENTRY DATE: 810810.
   CLASS UPDATE: 91.

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AN 81107525.  81000.
AU Defossez-M.  Le-Bec-G.  Sancier-A.  Manelfe-C.  Espagno-M-T.
   Bouzat-A.  Sevely-A.
TI [Neuro-sedation and cranial C.-T.  scan in infants and children
   (author's transl)].
TT Neuro-sedation et examens tomodensitometriques chez le nourrisson et
   l'enfant.
SO Anesth-Analg (Paris).  1979.  36(11-12).  P 525-9.
JT ANESTHESIE, ANALGESIE, REANIMATION.
PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).
LG French (FR).
AB Sixty-four infants and children under 14 years of age had a
   neuro-sedation, for a cranial C.-T.  Scan.  This entirely painless
   procedure requires complete immobility of the patient.  We used two
   sorts of methods: for infants under eight months of age, a
   premedication followed by a feeding-bottle is sufficient.  For
   children over eight months of age, intravenous administration of
   gamma-hydroxy-butyrate at 30 to 50 mg/kg induces light but sufficient
   sleep in obtaining a useful scan.  Within the group of 24 infants we
   obtained 14 good results, 8 mild ones and 2 failures.  Within the 40
   children over eight months of age, 28 procedures were good, 10
   children had to undergo more anesthesia during the examination and
   twice the exploration was impossible.  Author-abstract.
MJ BRAIN: radiography (ra).  HYPNOTICS-AND-SEDATIVES:
   administration-and-dosage (ad).  TOMOGRAPHY-X-RAY-COMPUTED.
MN ADOLESCENCE.  CHILD.  CHILD-PRESCHOOL.  ENGLISH-ABSTRACT.  HUMAN.
   HYDROXYBUTYRATES: administration-and-dosage (ad).  INFANT.
RN 0 -- Hydroxybutyrates.
   0 -- Hypnotics-and-Sedatives.
   502-85-2 -- Sodium-Oxybate.
SB Priority Journals (M).
YR 1979.
IS 0003-3014.  4RU.
CP FRANCE (Z1.542.286).
IM 8105.
ND ENTRY DATE: 810327.
   CLASS UPDATE: 91.

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AN 75035869.  75000.
AU Puca-F-M.  Genco-S.  Masi-G.  Federico-F.  Di-Lauro-L.
TI [Vestibulo-oculomotor reflexes in relation to the level of vigilance.
   III.  The vestibulo-oculomotor reflexes during central depression
   caused by sodium gamma-hydroxy-butyrate].
TT I riflessi vestibolo-oculomotori in rapporto al livello di vigi
   lanza.  III.  I riflessi vestibolo-oculomotori in corso di defres
   sione centrale da gamma-idrossibutirrato di sodio.
SO Boll-Soc-Ital-Biol-Sper.  1973 Sep 15.  49(17).  P 1001-6.
JT BOLLETTINO - SOCIETA ITALIANA BIOLOGIA SPERIMENTALE.
PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).
LG Italian (IT).
MJ BRAIN: drug-effects (de).  EYE-MOVEMENTS.  HYDROXYBUTYRATES:
   pharmacology (pd).  REFLEX.  VESTIBULAR-NERVE: physiopathology (pp).
MN ADULT.  ATTENTION.  HUMAN.  MALE.  NYSTAGMUS.  SLEEP.
SB Priority Journals (M).
YR 1973.
IS 0037-8771.  ALS.
CP ITALY (Z1.542.489).
IM 7503.
ND ENTRY DATE: 750122.
nd age.
SO Mech-Ageing-Dev.  1989 Mar.  47(3).  P 229-39.
JT MECHANISMS OF AGEING AND DEVELOPMENT.

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   GHB, or gamma-hydroxybutyrate, is a normal component of mammalian
metabolism. It is found naturally in every cell in the human body and is most
properly considered a nutrient. In the brain, the highest amounts are found in
the hypothalamus and basal ganglia [Gallimberti, 1989]. GHB is found in
greater concentrations in kidney, heart, skeletal muscles, and brown fat
tissues [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. It is believed to be a neurotransmitter,
although the jury is still out as to whether it exhibits all of the properties
required for fulfillment of this function [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. It is
both a metabolite and precursor of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA
(gamma-aminobutyric acid, or gamma-aminobutyrate), another nutrient to which
it bears a close structural relationship. GHB, however, does not act directly
on GABA receptor sites [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992].
   GHB was first synthesized about thirty years ago by Dr. H. Laborit, a
French researcher interested in exploring the effects of GABA in the brain.
Because little or no GABA crosses the blood-brain barrier, Laborit synthesized
GHB, which substitutes a hydroxy group for an amino group. This difference
allows GHB to cross the blood brain barrier where some of it is metabolized
into GABA [Vickers, 1969].
   As it turned out, Laborit found that GHB exhibited a range of effects
beyond those expected from GABA. Over the intervening years, numerous
researchers have extensively studied GHB's effects. It is has come to be used
in Europe as a general anesthetic, a treatment for insomnia and narcolepsy (a
daytime sleeping disorder), an aid to childbirth (increasing strength of
contractions, decreasing pain, and increasing dilation of the cervix), a
treatment for alcoholism and alcohol withdrawal syndrome, and for many other
uses.
   During the 1980s, GHB was widely available over-the-counter in
health-food stores, purchased largely by body-builders for its ability to
stimulate growth hormone release which aids in fat reduction and muscle
building. In the last few years it has been gaining popularity as a
"recreational" drug offering a pleasant, alcohol-like, hangover-free "high"
with potent prosexual effects.

   --- Scientific Reports on GHB ---

   For the thirty years prior to 1990, the scientific papers on GHB were
unanimous in reporting numerous beneficial physiological effects and the
absence of long-term negative effects. In 1964, Laborit listed "very low
toxicity" as one of the "principle elements" of the compound's pharmacology.
In a 1969 report on GHB's anesthetic uses, Vickers referred to GHB as "a
truly nontoxic hypnotic" and repeatedly emphasized its "lack of toxicity."
Vickers cited evidence that GHB demonstrates "no toxic effects on the liver
and kidney." In 1972, Laborit described the body's metabolism of GHB and
stressed "the absence of any need of detoxification by the organism."
   As recently as 1989, this scientific consensus on GHB's benign nature
remained unchanged. Gallimberti's study from that year on its uses in
treating alcohol withdrawal in humans notes that "GHB's action ...seems to be
without serious side effects." His almost off-hand reference to the "safety
of GHB" shows how well-established this property of the nutrient had become.
   Then, on November 8th, 1990, the FDA banned the over-the-counter sale
of GHB in the United States. In 1991, two scientists from the California
Department of Health Services wrote a report on ten "poisonings" associated
with GHB. The authors, Chin and Kreutzer, warned of GHB's "tremendous
potential for abuse." They observed that "all interviewed patients reported a
pleasurable sensation or a `high.' Several of them...continued taking [GHB]
because it made them `feel good'." Apparently, the authors construed feeling
good in and of itself as a potential threat to public health. Despite such
dire language, the report acknowledged that "there are no documented reports
of long-term [detrimental] effects. Nor is there any evidence for physiologic
addiction."
   Of the ten "poisonings" reported, four involved "unknown doses," four
featured the "coingestion" of other drugs, (usually alcohol), one involved
unmedicated epilepsy, and another a history of grand mal seizures. Since
alcohol and other central nervous system (CNS) depressants are not
recommended with GHB, and because GHB is contraindicated for epileptics, such
cases are not unexpected. Chin and Kreutzer acknowledge that the "more severe
reactions...generally occurred when patients took an unmeasured dose, a
particularly large dose, or several doses within a short period of time."
Such problems are easily avoided by following the directions for GHB's use.
   Although the specific clinical details of these ten cases are too
lengthy to go into here, one point needs addressing--the use of the terms
"coma" and "seizures" in descriptions of these cases. At a sufficiently high
dose, GHB can cause CLONUS, a rapid, rhythmic contraction and relaxation of
muscles which would be better described as muscle spasm or uncontrollable
twitching than a seizure. GHB can also cause intense drowsiness, abrupt
sedation, and deep sleep which is probably better described as unarrousability
or deep sedation than coma. Vickers [1969] described it as a "nontoxic coma,"
which blunts some of the inflammatory connotations of the term coma.
   Regardless of their alarmist tone, the authors confirm that "there
have not been any reported deaths" and that "if product use is discontinued,
full recovery with no long-term side effects is universal." They concluded
that "the prognosis for people who experience GHB poisoning is quite good."
   The degree to which the pleasant state of GHB euphoria may be
psychologically addicting may not be fully appreciated. Anybody with known
attraction or addiction to tranquilizers or alcohol should pay special heed
to this possibility. In the few cases of GHB abuse that we have investigated,
there were pre-existing use/abuse patterns with alcohol and/or tranquilizers.
Ironically, it was GHB's lack of toxicity that led to increased frequency of
use (numerous times per day) that characterized what can only be called
classic cases of psychological addiction. Without the dehydration and CNS
irritation of alcohol, or the side effects of tranquilizers, there was no
incentive to moderate or curtail GHB use. Fortunately, few people seem to
have such overwhelming attraction to the GHB state. Even Chin and Kreutzer
minimize GHB's abuse potential by stating, "No investigator [has] reported
any long-term adverse effects, addictive or dependent qualities associated
with discontinued usage of the drug."

   --- Why Was GHB Banned? ---

   It seems likely, then, that at least some of the motives behind the
1990 FDA ban of GHB were other than those of public safety. Such a ban
constitutes the only means of Federal control of a substance neither scheduled
by the DEA nor approved by the FDA as a drug. In the absence of a genuine
public-health concern, such control might have been motivated by a desire to
protect the pharmaceutical industry (with which the FDA is closely
intertwined) from competition from a safer, more effective and less expensive
alternative to sleeping pills. Is it a coincidence that the FDA has also
banned L-tryptophan, another nutrient that functions as a safe and effective
sleep aid?

   --- What Are the Real Concerns? ---

   As with most substances, unpleasant and possibly dangerous side
effects can be associated with excessive doses of GHB. A dose usually only
about twice the amount required for relaxation or a prosexual effect can, as
one user put it, "knock you out but fast." In this respect, GHB is probably
comparable to alcohol: if you drink twice as much as you normally would, you
probably wouldn't function very well. Despite its general safety and lack of
toxicity, the safe use of GHB requires information, preparation, caution, and
good judgment. In other words, follow the usage guidelines!

   --- How Does It Feel? ---

   Most users find that GHB induces a pleasant state of relaxation and
tranquility. Frequent effects are placidity, sensuality, mild euphoria, and a
tendency to verbalize. Anxieties and inhibitions tend to dissolve into a
feeling of emotional warmth, wellbeing, and pleasant drowsiness.
   The "morning after" effects of GHB lack the unpleasant or debilitating
characteristics associated with alcohol and other relaxation-oriented drugs.
In fact, many users report feeling particularly refreshed, even energized, the
next day.
   The effects of GHB can generally be felt within five to twenty minutes
after ingestion. They usually last no more than one and a half to three hours,
although they can be indefinitely prolonged through repeated dosing. The
effects of GHB are very dose-dependent. SMALL INCREASES IN THE AMOUNT INGESTED
LEAD TO SIGNIFICANT INTENSIFICATION OF THE EFFECT. Higher levels feature
greater giddiness, silliness, and interference with mobility and verbal
coherence, and maybe even dizziness. Even higher doses usually induce sleep.

   --- The Actions of GHB in the Body ---

   GHB temporarily inhibits the release of dopamine in the brain. This
may cause increased dopamine storage, and later increased dopamine release
when the GHB influence wears off [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. This effect could
account for the middle-of-the-night wakings common with use of higher GHB
doses, and the general feelings of increased well-being, alertness and arousal
the next day.
   GHB also stimulates pituitary growth hormone (GH) release. One
methodologically rigorous Japanese study reported nine-fold and sixteen-fold
increases in growth hormone 30 and 60 minutes respectively after intravenous
administration of 2.5 grams of GHB in six healthy men between the ages of
twenty-five and forty [Takahara, 1977]. GH levels were still seven-fold
higher at 120 minutes.
   The mechanism by which GHB stimulates growth-hormone release is not
known. Dopamine activity in the hypothalamus is known to stimulate pituitary
release of growth hormone, but GHB inhibits dopamine release at the same time
that it stimulates GH release. This suggests that GHB's GH-releasing effect
takes place through an entirely different mechanism [Takahara, 1977].
   At the same time GH is being released, prolactin levels also rise.
Serum prolactin levels increase in a similar time-dependent manner as GH,
peaking at five-fold above baseline at 60 minutes [Takahara, 1977]. This
effect, unlike the release of GH, is entirely consistent with GHB's inhibition
of dopamine. Other compounds which lessen dopamine activity in the brain (such
as the neuroleptic Thorazine) have been shown to result in prolactin release.
Although prolactin tends to counteract many of the beneficial effects of GH,
the sixteen-fold increases in GH probably overwhelm the five-fold increases in
prolactin.
   GHB induces "remarkable hypotonia" (muscle relaxation) [Vickers,
1969]. It is now gaining popularity in France and Italy as an aid to
childbirth. GHB causes "spectacular action on the dilation of the cervix,"
decreased anxiety, greater intensity and frequency of uterine contractions,
increased sensitivity to oxytocic drugs (used to induce contractions),
preservation of reflexes, a lack of respiratory depression in the fetus, and
protection against fetal cardiac anoxia (especially in cases where the
umbilical cord wraps around the fetus' neck) [Vickers, 1969; Laborit, 1964].
   GHB is completely metabolized into carbon dioxide and water, leaving
absolutely no residue of toxic metabolites [Vickers, 1969; Laborit, 1972].
Metabolism is so efficient that GHB can no longer be detected in urine four
to five hours after it is taken by injection [Laborit, 1964].
   GHB activates a metabolic process known as the "pentose pathway" which
plays an important role in the synthesis of protein within the body [Laborit,
1972]. It also causes a "protein sparing" effect [Laborit, 1964] which reduces
the rate at which the body breaks down its own proteins. These properties,
along with GHB's effect on growth hormone, underlie its common use as an aid
to muscle-building and fat loss.
   Anesthetic (large) doses of GHB are accompanied by a small increase in
blood sugar levels, and a significant decrease in cholesterol. Respiration
becomes slower and deeper. Blood pressure may rise or fall slightly, or remain
stable, but a moderate bradycardia (slowing of the heart) is consistent
[Vickers, 1969; Laborit, 1964]. A slight drop in body temperature also occurs
[Laborit, 1964].
   GHB also stimulates the release of acetylcholine in the brain
[Gallimberti, 1989].

   --- GHB and Sleep ---

   GHB has been called "almost an ideal sleep inducing substance" [SMART
DRUGS II, p245]. Small doses produce relaxation, tranquility and drowsiness
which make it extremely easy to fall asleep naturally. Higher doses increase
the drowsiness effect and decrease the time it takes to fall asleep. A
sufficiently large dose of GHB will induce sudden sleep within five to ten
minutes [Laborit, 1964].
   Many other hypnotics interfere with various stages of the sleep cycle
thus preventing the body from achieving a complete and balanced session of
rest and recuperation. The most remarkable facet of GHB-induced sleep is its
physiological resemblance to normal sleep. For instance, GHB sleep is
characterized by increased levels of carbon dioxide in the arteries, as in
normal sleep [Vickers, 1969]. During normal and GHB sleep, the CNS continues
to be responsive to "noxious stimuli" (pain and other irritations), a factor
which sets limits on GHB's uses in anesthesia [Vickers, 1969]. GHB facilitates
both REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, and "slow-wave" (non-REM) sleep, the
stage of sleep featuring increased release of growth hormone [Laborit, 1972].
And unlike the unconsciousness induced by other anesthetics, that triggered by
GHB does not feature a systemic decrease in oxygen consumption [Laborit,
1964].
   The primary disadvantage to GHB's use as a sleep aid is it's
short-term influence--about three hours. During GHB's influence, sleep is
deeper and more restful, but after the GHB has worn off, people have a
tendency to wake up. The higher the dose, the greater is this tendency. Some
have called this pattern the "dawn effect" and have speculated that it is
related to the release of stored-up dopamine. Some people minimize this effect
by taking minimal doses of GHB. Others take advantage of this effect by
getting a couple of hours of work done in the middle of the night. Still
others choose to take a second dose of GHB to sleep for another three hours.
   It should be noted that not everyone can be put to sleep by GHB. We
have spoken to three men who have never achieved sleep even with the doses
normally used for such purposes. In addition, Takahara [1977] reported that
one of the six men in the growth hormone study cited above remained conscious
even though he had received two and a half grams of GHB intravenously, a
dosage which rendered the rest of the participants unconscious.

   --- GHB, Alcohol and Alcoholism ---

   GHB shows great promise in the treatment of alcoholism. In Europe,
one of its primary uses is to relieve withdrawal symptoms, cravings, and
anxiety among alcoholics.
   In laboratory rats addicted to alcohol, withdrawal symptoms closely
resemble those exhibited by humans, including tremors, convulsions, and
hypersensitivity to sound. All of these symptoms were blocked by sufficiently
high doses of GHB [Fadda, 1989]. Administration of GHB has also been found to
prevent alcohol consumption among rats that voluntarily ingest alcohol
[Fadda, 1989; Gallimberti, 1989].
   In a rigorous, double-blind, placebo-controlled study conducted of
human alcoholics, "nearly all withdrawal symptoms disappeared within two to
seven hours" after administration of GHB. On a severe-moderate-mild-or-none
scale, withdrawal symptoms remained below moderate during the entire period.
The only side effect observed was slight, occasional, and transient dizziness.
The researchers concluded, "the results clearly indicated that GHB is
effective for the suppression of withdrawal symptoms in alcoholics"
[Gallimberti, 1989].

   --- Other Uses of GHB ---

   GHB has a decades long track record of use as a general anesthetic.
Administered intravenously, an anesthetic dose of GHB is in the range of 4-5
grams for a 150-pound person [Vickers, 1969]. Its advantages as an anesthetic
include low toxicity, relatively few contraindications, slowing of the heart
rate without loss of blood pressure, the absence of irritation to the veins
with intravenous administration, muscle relaxation, absence of respiratory
depression (usually), reduction of body temperature (hypothermia), and various
protective and anti-shock actions [Laborit, 1964]. However, GHB can almost
never be used in anesthesia without the additional administration of other
drugs [Vickers, 1969] because it does not produce complete surgical anesthesia
except in children [Laborit, 1964]. The autonomic nervous system remains
active during GHB-induced anesthetic coma, and thus the body continues to
respond to surgical stimuli through increases in heart rate, blood pressure,
and cardiac output, as well as through sweating, peripheral vasoconstriction,
vocalization, and reflex muscle action [Vickers, 1969]. Local anesthetics or
other drugs which suppress these responses must therefore also be used, like
the way a dentist or orthodontic surgeon might use Novocaine to kill pain
along with nitrous oxide to render a patient unconscious.
   It is suspected that part of GHB's protective function involves a
slowing of the metabolism of brain cells, thus reducing their requirements for
oxygen and glucose [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992; Artru, 1980]. Another factor in
GHB's anti-shock capability may be the marked vasodilation induced in the
liver and kidney, thus increasing blood flow to those vital organs.
   GHB's efficacy for treating anxiety has been positively demonstrated
in tests involving schizophrenic subjects [Laborit, 1964]. Its sedative
properties have earned it a role as a psychotherapeutic adjunct [Vickers,
1969]. It has also been used to assist the process of "abreaction," or the
release (usually through verbalization) of repressed emotion [Vickers, 1969].
Unlike other "anxiolytic" (or anti-anxiety) drugs, GHB's effect is non-toxic.
Furthermore, GHB's reduction of inhibitions, its tendency to encourage
verbalization, and the typical lack of fear during the GHB experience would
seem to provide an ideal context for the verbal exploration of difficult
emotional territory during therapy.

   --- GHB and Sex ---

   Scientists and doctors have traditionally been reluctant to ascribe
aphrodisiac properties to any substance, although this tendency may have
abated somewhat in recent years. It is a testament, then, to the power the
GHB's sexual effects that they were clearly acknowledged in the scientific
literature by 1972. Dr. Laborit wrote:

      "A last point should still be mentioned: the [GHB] action on Man
       which could be called 'aphrodisiac.' We cannot present any animal
       experiments on this subject. However, the oral form has now been
       sufficiently used so that, as generally agreed, no doubt can
       subsist as to its existence."

We have identified four main prosexual properties:
   1) disinhibition,
   2) heightening of the sense of touch (tactility),
   3) enhancement of male erectile capacity, and
   4) increased intensity of orgasm.

   Perhaps the foremost prosexual property of GHB is disinhibition. Some
users suggest that GHB's other sexual benefits are secondary effects, made
possible (or at least amplified) by this loosening of psychosomatic
constraint. A number of people have commented that this disinhibition is
particularly marked among women.
   Women often report that GHB makes their orgasms longer and more
intense, as well as more difficult or time-consuming to achieve, especially at
higher doses. As with its other effects, GHB's impact on female orgasm seems
highly sensitive to small adjustments in dosage.

   --- Legal Status and Availability ---

   GHB is not approved in the US and has been banned from
over-the-counter sale by the FDA. GHB has not yet been "scheduled" as a
"controlled substance" by the DEA, and therefore simple possession is not
illegal. GHB continues to be sold to legitimate laboratories and scientists
for research purposes, but selling it specifically for human consumption,
especially while making claims about its health benefits, is a violation of
current FDA regulations and policy.
   In some European countries, GHB is an approved drug available by
prescription. Local doctors, pharmacists and government bureaucrats should be
able to provide country-by-country specifics.
   GHB is growing in popularity and seems to be widely available in the
underground "gray market." Since most of the GHB available through such
channels is of the "bootleg" variety, manufactured by nonprofessional
"kitchen" chemists, concerns about quality and purity should be kept in mind.
Caveat emptor (buyer beware)!

   --- Safety Issues ---

   As has been emphasized, the overall safety of GHB is well-established,
and no deaths attributable to GHB have been reported over the thirty year
period that this compound has been in use [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer,
1992]. In fact, as of 1990, only forty-six adverse reactions had been reported
in the United States surely constituting only an infinitesimal fraction of
actual usage, all followed by rapid and complete recovery [Chin and Kreutzer,
1992]. Unlike a large proportion of other drugs including alcohol and even
Tylenol, GHB has no toxic effects on the liver, kidney or other organs
[Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. One program of sleep therapy using
six to eight grams daily for a period of eight to ten days produced no side
effects. Vickers [1969] even reports that doses as high as twenty to thirty
grams per twenty-four hour period have been used for several days without
negative consequences (don't do this at home kids!). In the Canadian studies
of narcolepsy mentioned earlier, the nightly use of two to six teaspoons (one
teaspoon equaling roughly 2.5 grams) for several years resulted in no reports
of long-term adverse effects, or problems with issues of addiction or
dependence. In one of these studies, one patient inadvertently ingested
fifteen teaspoons without adverse consequence "other than deep sedation and
headache the next day" [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. And in France,
sub-anesthetic oral doses were used by "a large number of patients for about
six years" without untoward effect [Laborit, 1972].

   --- Side Effects ---

   According to Dr. Gallimberti [1989], the action of GHB is "without
serious side effects." Some research programs have reported no side effects at
all. Nonetheless, it's clear that some minor side effects can occur. Those
most commonly experienced are drowsiness, dizziness, nausea, and sometimes
vomiting. As a sedative-hypnotic, GHB's effects bear some similarity to those
of alcohol and tranquilizers. GHB not only "may cause drowsiness" like these
other drugs, IT WILL ALMOST INVARIABLY DO SO. Ataxia, or incoordination, can
also be a side effect of GHB. DO NOT DRIVE A VEHICLE OR OPERATE DANGEROUS
MACHINERY WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF GHB.
   As mentioned, clonic movements (muscle contractions or "seizures")
have been observed during the onset of GHB-induced sleep. Headache is
sometimes reported. A moderate slowing of the heart rate is a consistent
effect, and small changes in blood pressure can take place. Likewise,
orthostatic hypotension (a sudden drop in blood pressure caused by standing up
quickly) has also been reported. Sometimes this is experienced as brief
dizziness, and rarely people can briefly lose consciousness. At very high
doses, cardiac and respiratory depression can occur.
   Sufficiently large doses of GHB can cause sudden sedation and loss of
consciousness. Do not take such doses except when reclining on a bed or sofa.
It is also a bad idea to take such doses in the presence of people who don't
know anything about GHB. You may alarm your family or friends and wake up in
an emergency room (with a large medical bill).
   More unusual and extreme reactions have included diarrhea, lack of
bladder control, temporary amnesia, and sleepwalking. Whatever side effects
may be noted, they are often much more severe when GHB is combined with other
central nervous system depressants [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992, Gallimberti,
1989; Takahara, 1977; Vickers, 1969].

   --- Contraindications ---

   Although contraindications for GHB have been described as "remarkably
few" [Vickers, 1969], those who suffer from any of the following conditions
should not use GHB: severe illness of any kind, epilepsy, eclampsia
(convulsions), bradycardia (slowed heart-beat) due to conduction problems
[left-bundle-branch-block is an example of conduction difficulty], Cushing's
syndrome, severe cardiovascular disease, hyperprolactinemia, and severe
hypertension [Gallimberti, 1989; Vickers, 1969].
   Severe alcoholism is sometimes mentioned as a contraindication for GHB
[SMART DRUGS II, p244] even though GHB has been used quite successfully in
the treatment of withdrawal symptoms. The explanation for this seeming
contradiction probably lies in the likelihood that severe alcoholics may
combine GHB with alcohol.
   GHB should not be used with benzodiazepines ("minor tranquilizers"
such as Valium and Xanax), phenothiazines ("major tranquilizers" like
Thorazine and Stellazine), various painkillers (barbiturates and opiates),
alcohol, anticonvulsants (Dilantin and phenobarbital) and even many
over-the-counter allergy and sleep remedies--without direct medical
supervision.

   --- Dosage ---

   Determining the ideal dose is probably the trickiest aspect of working
with GHB. The amount required for a given level of effect will vary from
person to person, and the dose-response curve is fairly steep. Overestimating
the dose can have consequences ranging in seriousness from ruining your plans
for the evening to waking up in the emergency ward as a result of panic on the
part of concerned-but-uninformed friends or relatives.
   Once you have found the levels that give you the effects you desire,
they will remain consistent. Tolerance to GHB does not develop. However,
recent (not current) alcohol consumption may decrease the effect of a given
dose of GHB [Fadda, 1989].
   Most people find that a dose in the range of 0.75-1.5 grams is
suitable for prosexual purposes, and that a quantity in the range of 2.5 grams
is sufficient to force sleep.
   Some people think that GHB might lower potassium levels and should
therefore be taken with potassium supplementation. Some research papers have
identified such an effect, others have not. If you want to play it safe, take
a potassium supplement equal to 10% of the GHB dose.

   --- Notes: ---

   Note 1: This article is excerpted and adapted from a 40-page special
report on GHB written by the authors and available from:

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   --- References Cited in this Article ---

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November 1980.

Chin MY, Kreutzer RA and Dyer JE. Acute poisoning from gamma-hydroxybutyrate
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Fadda F, Colombo G, Mosca E and Gessa GL. Suppression by gamma-hydroxybutyric
acid of ethanol withdrawal syndrome in rats. ALCOHOL AND ALCOHOLISM (Great
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Gallimberti L, Gentile N, Cibin M, Fadda F, Canton G, Ferri M, Ferrara SD and
Gessa GL. Gamma-hydroxybutyric acid for treatment of alcohol withdrawal
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Kleimenova NN, Ostrovskaya RU and Arefolov VA. Effect of sodium
hydroxybutyrate on the ultrastructure of the cross-striated muscle tissue
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Laborit H. Correlations between protein and serotonin synthesis during
various activities of the central nervous system (slow and desynchronized
sleep, learning and memory, sexual activity, morphine tolerance,
aggressiveness, and pharmacological action of sodium gamma-hydroxybutyrate).
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Laborit H. Sodium 4-Hydroxybutyrate. INT J NEUROPHARMACOLOGY (Great Britain).
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Vickers MD. Gamma-hydroxybutyric Acid. INT ANAESTHESIA CLINIC 7: 75-89, 1969.

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Many Americans first heard of GHB through a widespread rumor that actor
River Phoenix's death was caused by a GHB overdose. This rumor was started by
club-goers, exaggerated by reporters, confused by DEA agents, and rejected
by the subsequent coroner's report. NEWSWEEK called GHB "an obscure and
dangerous steroid substitute," but perhaps the most egregious purveyors of
misinformation were DEA field agents who informed reporters that GHB's slang
name was "Great Bodily Harm," a designer drug with a less-than-benign
reputation on the streets of Los Angeles. The press took it hook, line and
sinker, failing even to recognize that the three-letter acronym G-B-H was a
scrambled version of G-H-B. The DEA's attempt at misinformation was a
brilliant attempt to scare the American people and support the FDA's
questionable ban of GHB. Although it worked on the mass media, it boomeranged
in the clubs. Said one New York nightclub patron, "I'd never heard of GHB
before. No one in New York had. This month it's the only drug" [Rogers,
1993].

Rogers P and Katel P. The New View From On High. NEWSWEEK, 6 December 1993.

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From: ELM <linda>
Subject: Re:gamma-hydroxybutyrate(GHB)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 20:49:50 GMT

>  bob chapel <[e-mail]> wrote:
> READERS.....lately I have been reading about a rather controversial
> substance that has piqued my curiosity due to the very controversy
> surrounding it (GHB) Does anyone out there have any experience with this
> drug?

I used GHB a number of years back when it had lots of popularity among
bodybuilders. I never found that it did much for my physique, but it works
great to make me fall asleap. The problem i have with the stuff is that
I wake up about 2  hours after i fall asleap.
My normal sleap patterns are funky to begin with: i sleep in 4 hour cycles
wake, need to eat something small, then I can fall back to sleap.
I could repeat this over and over sleaping forever if i wanted to.
I hoped that GHB might cure this, but it made it worse.

Other things i learned about GHB...

   GHB makes you naucious if you try and stay awake after taking it. The nausia
   may be because it kind of makes you feel drugged up and the whole
equalibrium
   thing starts to go.

  Never take GHB if youve smoked pot earlier in the evening. (Locks me up into
  the stranges state, half between awake and asleap haveing horrible emotional
  nightmares. This experience was also noted by others who used the stuff)

 Never take it unless you are ready to crawl into bed. (I woke up on the living
 room floor one night, after having taken GHB and finishing up my nightly
chores
 I recall getting a little naucious,a really woozy drugged up feeling, and the
next thing i know  I'm waking up on the floor.. i must have passed out)

 Some people i know say it gives them a hangover type effect, where you just
can not wake up in the AM... Not good if you have client waiting for you at the
gym at 6am. I never noticed this effect personally, but i suggest experimenting
on a nite that you dont have a critical aptmt. the next day.

 You have to be a totally brainless fool to take GHB with alchohol in order
 to get high. But I'm sure that ones been covered in previous postings.
 I still cant figure out how one can stay awake to actually enjoy this.

I once had a brainless aquaintence who thought more must be better and took
 4 scoops
of the stuff at once. I ended up over their house all nite when his girlfriend
called me because he was behaving like a psychotic. I spent the nite there
convincing him that his girlfriend was not his mother, and that noone was
going to hurt him. This was like wittnessing a bad trip. People without
good solid common sense should not play with this stuff. Turns out the guys
a real asshole in a lot of other respects as well.

            Hope the experiences are useful
                        Linda