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 INFO-CPM Digest             Sun, 25 Sep 88       Volume 88 : Issue 213

 Today's Topics:
                          Z-80 Unix? (5 msgs)
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 Date: 23 Sep 88 19:53:02 GMT
 From: cadnetix.COM!cadnetix![e-mail]  (Rusty)
 Subject: Z-80 Unix?

 In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Doug Braun ~) writes:
 ....
 >I wrote one a couple of years ago.  It is a totally from-scratch
 implementation
 >of the Unix kernel for a 64K CP/M machine.  It runs just fine on my machine,
 >being able to support the 7th edition shell with no problems. I would be
 >glad to mail the source code or post it to the net.
 >
 POST! POST!  well, email if not enough people agree, but I seriously doubt
 that will happen.

 >The kernel was completely written by me, but unfortunately I cannot legally
 >distribute...

 Maybe we can figure a way around this?

  ----
 Rusty Carruth   UUCP: {uunet,boulder}!cadnetix!rusty  DOMAIN:
 [e-mail]
 Cadnetix Corp.  [phone]x296 \  5775 Flatiron Pkwy. \ Boulder, Co 80301
 Radio: N7IKQ    'home': P.O.B. 461 \  Lafayette, CO 80026

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 Date: 24 Sep 88 07:20:48 GMT
 From: ucsdhub!ucrmath![e-mail]  (John Antypas)
 Subject: Z-80 Unix?

 >In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Chris Rende) writes:
 >> In his book "The Unix Operating System" Kaare Christian mentions that Unix
 >> exists for Z-80. This was a big suprise to me. I didn't know that Unix ran
 >> on any 8 bit CPU's.
 >>
 >> Does anyone know anything about Unix running on a Z-80?
 >
 >Whitesmiths may have done IDRIS for the Z80.

 Indeed they did, but I wouldn't exactly call it Unix.  Our labs use Idris
 because we must, and the C alone is semi-Unix-like if you look at it
 just the right way.  They rewrote litterally 90% of the libraries.  Truly
 non-portable code!

 ------------------------------

 Date: 22 Sep 88 00:46:54 GMT
 From: tetra![e-mail]  (Rex A. Buddenberg)
 Subject: Z-80 Unix?

 Doug,

 This looks really interesting.

 1.  Suggest you consider uploading to Simtel20 or similar where
 we can get at it.  This is assuming, as you implied, that your
 work is for public domain.

 2.  What are implications for the follow-on Z-80 derivative chips
 like HD64180 and Z-280?  How portable are we here?  If you can make
 things work in a 64k RAM space, life ought to get easier if you can
 lay hands on more RAM...  Somehow sounds like an awkward fit though
 until you get hardware memory management to take a lot of the load off
 your code...muse,muse,muse.

 Rex Buddenberg

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 Date: 22 Sep 88 21:09:13 GMT
 From: pilchuck!ssc![e-mail]  (Mark Zenier)
 Subject: Z-80 Unix?

 In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Chris Rende) writes:
 > In his book "The Unix Operating System" Kaare Christian mentions that Unix
 > exists for the Z-80. This was a big suprise to me. I didn't know that Unix
 ran
 > on any 8 bit CPU's.
 >
 > Does anyone know anything about Unix running on a Z-80?

 Whitesmiths may have done IDRIS for the Z80.

 ------------------------------

 Date: 23 Sep 88 14:32:14 GMT
 From: mcvax!ukc!stc!datlog!dlhpedg![e-mail]  (Charles Lambert)
 Subject: Z-80 Unix?

 In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stephen J. Friedl) writes:
 >
 >Morrow was a God in the Z80 world but he stayed in it too long when
 >the IBM PC came out :-(.

 He should've emigrated.  Alan Sugar is still wringing cash out of the little
 monster in Europe :-)

 ----------
 Charlie

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 INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 26 Sep 88       Volume 88 : Issue 214

 Today's Topics:
                                  MARC
                               Z-80 Unix?
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 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1988  08:24 MDT
 From: "Frank J. Wancho" <[e-mail]>
 Subject: MARC

 For the record, Ed Ziemba did the principal work in developing MARC, a
 Unix-like OS for the Z80, collaborating with Lauren Weinstein and Leor
 Zolman (of BDS-C fame), among others.  After Ed died in an unfortunate
 and untimely snorkling accident, Lauren picked up the work.  Toward
 the end of 1982, Lauren's hard disk failed, and he had to resort to
 using floppy disks to regenerate the system - a slow and painful
 process.

 MARC required a working CP/M BIOS to use as the device interface and
 provided a combination of a V6/V7 interface, an extensively reworked
 runtime BDS-C library, a version of MINCE, the EMACS-like editor
 from Mark of the Unicorn, and the ability to run well-behaved CP/M
 programs.

 Attached to the end of this message are two messages from Lauren
 submitted in November 1983 announcing the demise of MARC and the
 reasons why.

 --Frank
 --------------------

 Date:     Tue, 1 Nov 83 1:11:29 EST
 From:     R. Bruce Natalie (CTAB) <rbn@brl-vgr>
 To:       info-micro@brl-vgr, info-cpm@brl-vgr
 Subject:  [lauren:  status report message]

 Lauren Weinstein has sent me the following message regarding the
 MARC software package.  For those of you who don't know, MARC is
 an attempt to get as much of UNIX as you can on a 8080 based system.
 This message was forwarded to me as list maintainer because he was
 uncertain whether it would be viewed as a commercial statement and
 thus be a prohibitted use of the DDN.  I find this note to be of the
 informational type, which is one of the primary purposes of this list
 and therefore am forwarding it on his behalf.

 Mr Weinstein's mailing address is:
     <vortex!lauren@rand-unix>

 Ron Natalie
 INFO-MICRO-REQUEST@BRL-VGR
 INFO-CPM-REQUEST@BRL-VGR

 ---------
 A very brief status report on MARC:

 Due to various technical problems, the rapidly advancing state of the
 art in software and affordable hardware, and a variety of
 marketing considerations, the MARC software project has been
 terminated.  No further work is taking place on the software, and the
 MARC software package will henceforth not be sold or distributed in
 any manner.

 Persons with specific questions on this topic may feel free to contact
 me, but the decision is irrevocable.   Thanks much.

 --Lauren--

 Date: Thursday, 10 Nov 1983 16:56-PST
 Realname: Lauren Weinstein
 To: INFO-CPM@brl
 Subject: Erroneous information from hp-pcd!craig about MARC
 From: lauren@rand-unix

 I sincerely hope that this will be my last message on this topic.

 I don't know what hp-pcd!craig has been smoking, but his information
 regarding MARC is absolutely and totally wrong and confused.

 There isn't any "George" at Vortex.  I AM VORTEX.  VORTEX IS ME.  Period.
 I will NOT be selling or distributing MARC in any manner.
 The MARC software project has been terminated.
 MARC was designed only for the 8080/Z80 processors and there
 have never been any plans to distribute a MARC for the 68000 or any other
 processors.  In point of fact, the overwhelming percentage of software
 in the MARC software package is written in a non-standard 8080 assembler
 and is most decidedly NOT portable in any manner.

 To be blunt, the system was not really usable as other than a toy.
 Performance with floppies was miserable and could not be reasonably improved.
 Even with hard disks, many operations were extremely slow.  The system
 could NOT make use of additional memory over 64K in any manner, and
 the useful workspace for user programs ended up being only around 30K,
 sometimes even less.  CP/M compatibility did not function properly
 for about 75% of currently tested CP/M programs.

 The MARC software package is fundamentally limited by its original
 design parameters, and has no future beyond hardware which
 is rapidly heading into oblivion -- and, as I stated, it doesn't
 work well enough even on that hardware.

 There are a variety of software products from various vendors on
 the market which can provide much of the MARC functionality
 in a much more reasonable manner, and which won't ignore the entire
 base of existing CP/M software in the process.  Microshell and Software
 Tools are two obvious examples of reasonable approaches to the
 problem of providing such an environment on limited machines.
 There are also packages which can make effective use of bank-switched
 memory and provide for much faster disk access, which should help
 to provide functionality for that hardware which MARC could not and cannot
 provide.

 MARC was a good effort but is just too fundamentally limited by the
 underlying hardware base for which it was designed and written.
 It is just "too much" for such hardware -- the operating system
 takes up so much of the memory and disks that there just isn't
 anything reasonable left for the humans!  Also very important
 is the fact that MARC's being written mostly in 8080 assembler
 made it difficult to maintain and modify and essentially impossible
 to take forward into the future in the rapidly changing micro marketplace.

 You might be interested to know that of the people I've talked to about
 the termination of the project, the vast majority admitted that they
 were planning to try upgrade to newer hardware (usually with lots
 more memory and usually running a fullblown multiprocess Unix
 or real multiprocess Unix look-alike system) in the near future.
 Most of the people (few as they were) who sounded the most disappointed
 were those with hardware that would not reasonably run MARC in any case.
 However, the bottom line is that bugs and poor performance would
 require so much more code to fix properly that the remaining memory
 space would be made even smaller and less useful!

 I don't sell *or* distribute software with which I am not happy.
 I never sold a single copy of the MARC software package because
 I refused to send out buggy and limited software.  It doesn't
 matter whether the package was going to cost $0 or $500, I simply
 refuse to distribute software with which I am dissatisfied.

 I've spent a large amount of time on the project, and
 I'm not happy about the final outcome -- but it's time to
 face reality on this topic.  It was fun trying, anyway, but I've
 made my decision and it is final -- I need to get on with my life
 and try to make a living!

 I really have nothing more to say about this.  That's all, folks.

 --Lauren--

 ====================

 ------------------------------

 Date: 24 Sep 88 17:30:27 GMT
 From: vsi![e-mail]  (Stephen J. Friedl)
 Subject: Z-80 Unix?

 In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Antypas) writes:
 > >
 > >Whitesmiths may have done IDRIS for the Z80.
 >
 > Indeed they did, but I wouldn't exactly call it Unix.  Our labs use Idris
 > because we must, and the C alone is semi-Unix-like if you look at it
 > just the right way.  They rewrote literally 90% of the libraries.  Truly
 > non-portable code!

 In the early days, Whitesmiths felt they were In Charge of C
 programming.  Above, `rewrote 90% of the libraries' means that
 the usage and function names were different as well.  For example:

         putfmt("The number is %i\n", i);

 replaced your good old printf.  After a time, they released a
 compatible library, but it was likely due to outrage.  I have
 never in the meantime seen such a blatant example of gratuitous
 incompatibility.  What is surprising is that this came from
 the man who cowrite _Elements of Programming Style_, P.J.
 Plauger.  Sad.

 My memory is a bit dated on the details, corrections welcome.

      Steve

 --
 Steve Friedl    V-Systems, Inc.  [phone]    3B2-kind-of-guy
 [e-mail]     {backbones}!vsi.com!friedl    attmail!vsi!friedl
 ------[I'm on vacation in Ohio from 26-Sep to 10-Oct 1988]----------

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 INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 27 Sep 88       Volume 88 : Issue 215

 Today's Topics:
                        Where is Turbo Pascal???
                    z-80 unix and unix-"like" shells
                            ZCPR on CP/M 3.0
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 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 88 15:23 EST
 From: Timothy Stark <[e-mail]>
 Subject: Where is Turbo Pascal???

 Hello,

    Last summer, someone said me that Borland discontinue to sell
 Turbo Pascal language but I want that. When Borland discontinue
 it, they should place them into public domain. Are you agree with that?

    I heard that Some companies discontinue Fortran compilers to CP/M
 users. I tried to order it at PD Copying Software, Inc and I made it!
 I now have Fortran Compiler 3.44 include Macro-80 that is better language
 for most pd softwares that require. I am happy with it. It will cost
 $39.95 plus postage and shipping. (For C128 users, ask conversion to
 DD format for $4 fee (2 disks)). Sorry, I did not remember company's phone
 no.

 -- Tim Stark

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       "The deaf people called the only university for the deaf."

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 Date: 26 Sep 88 06:17:35 GMT
 From: portal!cup.portal.com![e-mail]
 Subject: z-80 unix and unix-"like" shells

 [e-mail] (Andrew Scott Beals) writes...

 [stuff]

 > Another effort in the unix look-alike class is the Cromix operating
 > system from Cromemco.  Yes, they're still in business and they still
 > maintain a uucp site.  They make postings every once in a while.
 > I'm not sure that Cromix runs on a z80, but I have heard that it
 > does.  Cromix also runs on Cromemco's 68000 machines and a port was

 FYI, Cromix v11 _DOES_ run on a Z80.  I worked for the local Cromemco store
 here and we had it back then.  As a matter of fact, I was at the VPs house
 last night and he was busy connecting it via modem to his PC clone.  Whipping
 up his own quick and dirty XMODEM transmitter in C to Procomm 2.4.2.

 Cromix/Z80 uses bank swapping--the first 64K is for the OS, other 64K banks
 are used for CP/M & CDOS tasks.  REAL Cromix tasks can share a single 64K
 bank if they are relocatable-binary.  The C compiler he has for it is pitiful..
 Slow as xmas, but it works!!  Three pass from C to ASM, then to OBJ (?) then
 a link to .BIN    (whew!    usoft/borland runs a little faster now-a-days! :-)
 )

 Cromix v20 and up used a Z80 AND a 68000 processor; it could figure out what
 you were trying to run and select the correct processor.

 If anybody has any Cromemco stuff they'd like to sell (or buy!) drop me a
 line and I'll have Steve get in touch w/you.

 carra bussa @ cup.portal.com

 PS - somebody ported Cromix to an AMIGA??? Hell, that'd almost be worth having!

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 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 88 13:51 EDT
 From: RLH <[e-mail]>
 Subject: ZCPR on CP/M 3.0

 Some time ago, I saw that Plu*Perfect was taking over distribution
 of some ZCPR software ( I think Echelon folded up). I am interested
 in the auot-install version of ZCPR for CP/M 3.0 systems.

 Does this really exist? has anyone used it? What about experience with
 Plu*Perfect in general?

 My system is an S-100 bus "boat-anchor" with a Tarbell Z-80 ( extended
 addressing) running CP/M Plus (v. 3.0) in 192K of RAM using a BIOS
 that I customized for my own peculiar collection of I/O boards. I
 am not deterred by some assembly code hacking or BIOS customization,
 but I don't want to get stuck with an unsupported, buggy program
 without documentation.

 Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

         Bob Haar,   [e-mail] (CSNET) or [phone] (voice)

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 INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 28 Sep 88       Volume 88 : Issue 216

 Today's Topics:
                                  add
                    NEC 8500 RAM Cart. & Tech. Info
                         Unix for Z80 machines
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 Date: 27 Sep 88 15:15 EDT
 From: GND-XD @ DDN3.arpa
 Subject: add

 please add this address to the distribution list.

 ------------------------------

 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 88 15:10:21 PDT
 From: [e-mail] (Richard Secrist, Digital Equip. Corp.
 USA)
 Subject: NEC 8500 RAM Cart. & Tech. Info

     Roger, etal.:

     An excellent source of any NEC 8500 (8xxx) peripherals at
     the best prices is Daniel Cohen, P.O. Box 237, Plymouth NH
     03264, 800/338-1839.  His prices vary according to whatever
     lot he's purchased recently, but he is very honest, quick,
     and knowledgeable.  Keep in mind NEC made several models
     of RAM cartridge, so the number vary.  If you tell him what
     you want to plug it into and he says it works he doesn't
     lie.  Standard disclaimers.

     Technical information on the '8500 (Starlet, etal.) is
     available from the Technical Support department of NEC.
     Contact Kelly Ryan at 800/632-7875.  They won't sell it
     to you but if you sign a confidential disclosure agreement
     with NEC their recent policy was to give it to you for free.

     The 8500 has a 56K TPA available when you plug in a RAM
     cartridge and configure it as your A: drive (otherwise the
     cartridge looks like B:).  All you do is plug in the cartridge,
     format it with the built-in FORMAT, and switch TPA-modes using
     the built-in OPTION program, and you're up.  The directory
     track is stored funny so directory-munging programs don't,
     otherwise it's pretty much what you'd expect.

     rcs

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 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 88 13:18:04 MET
 From: Jos Grote Punt <[e-mail]>
 Subject: Unix for Z80 machines

 ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 Could you please send your Unix-verion for Z80 machines? Maybe you can also
 send it to the SIMTEL20 archives. A lot of people here are interested in
 your program. Is it easy to adapt it to different hardware? Is it also pos-
 sible to compile it with another C-compiler ?
 Thanks in advance,
       Jos Grote Punt
       Faculty of Medicine
       University of Nymegen
       The Netherlands

 Address on BITNET: U448025@HNYKUN11

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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon,  3 Oct 88       Volume 88 : Issue 217

Today's Topics:
                          CP/M-Z80 on UNIX??
                             IMP control
                      Looking for software: PL/M
                  Tandon disk drives lose upper head
                         UNIX on Z80 (2 msgs)
                   want CP/M for Northstar Horizon
                         Z-80 Unix? (3 msgs)
              z-80 unix and unix-"like" shells (2 msgs)
                                Z80MU
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Date: 29 Sep 88 22:06:56 GMT
From: njsmu!mccc![e-mail]  (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: CP/M-Z80 on UNIX??

I would like to be able to run CP/M on a UNIX PC (68010 CPU).  Is there
an emulator available?  Is there some source code I could hack from a
CP/M-680x0 emulator for a non-UNIX system?

Thanks.

Pete Holsberg                   UUCP: {...!rutgers!}princeton!mccc!pjh
Technology Division                   ...!att!jonlab!mccc!pjh
Mercer College            CompuServe: 70240,334
1200 Old Trenton Road           GEnie: PJHOLSBERG
Trenton, NJ 08690               Voice: 1-609-586-4800

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Date: Tuesday, 27 September 1988  20:11-MDT
From: killer![e-mail] (Bob Calbridge)
Subject: IMP control

I'm trying to use my little C-128 to connect to a mainframe via modem.
I'm using a 1670 modem and IMP for my communications.  The problem is
that the mainframe requires a break signal to wake up the port.  Is it
possible to do this with IMP?  I've done it using the vt100-128 program
provided on the disk that came with the modem but the program as a whole
sucks swamp water.

Much thanks in advance.
Bob

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Date: 30 Sep 88 04:27:42 GMT
From: [e-mail]  (Mike Morris)
Subject: Looking for software: PL/M

I've recently stumbled across some old software written in PL/M, and
would like to be able to make some changes.  The target machine is a
Z-80 process control system (actually an amateur radio repeater control
system), the test system is an IMSAI 8080 S-100 system, and the software
development system will be a PClone or the IMSAI.  The ideal would be to
find a complete package somewhere.  As far as I know, it is not
available from DR any more...

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Date: Monday, 26 September 1988  09:29-MDT
From: att!petsd!pedsga![e-mail]
Subject: Tandon disk drives lose upper head

[spritzensparken!]

I have had two Tandon TM-848-02 floppy drives fail recently.
(half height DSDD 8")
Both failed the same way.
They worked as double sided, then the upper head failed.
Now they cannot read nor write the upper side,
but function okay as single sided.

The heads look fine.
What went wrong?  Can I fix it easily and cheaply?
(Remember that new drives are $50 at computer fairs).

Thanks for your assistance.

Jeffrey Jonas

allegra!io!mtune!petsd!pedsga!jeffj
decvax!mcnc!rutgers!petsd!pedsga!jeffj

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Date: 26 Sep 88 15:07:13 GMT
From: emcard!stiatl![e-mail]  (Miles O'Neal)
Subject: UNIX on Z80

If you don't come up with an acceptable UNIX for the Z80,
I recommend ZCPR3 over something like IDRIS. It aint UNIX,
but its more of an OS than CPM or DOS.
=====================================================================
Miles O'Neal                                 decvax!gatech!stiatl!meo

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Date: Monday, 26 September 1988  22:13-MDT
From: eve.usc.edu![e-mail] (Mitch Mlinar)
Subject: UNIX on Z80

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Miles O'Neal) writes:
>If you don't come up with an acceptable UNIX for the Z80,
>I recommend ZCPR3 over something like IDRIS. It aint UNIX,
>but its more of an OS than CPM or DOS.

Of course, just about anything is better than IDRIS, including CPM let
alone the after market stuff in PD as well as commercial stuff that has
been around for years.

Regarding UN*X like OSes for banked memory systems, there is also QPLUS
which is more of an OS than CPM, DOS, or ZCPR3.  Not well advertised,
though.  And the demo PD version is somewhat stripped down from the
commercial package.

But, then again, I am biased as I helped write a good chunk of it.

-Mitch

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Date: Monday, 26 September 1988  05:50-MDT
From: njsmu!telesci!lunar![e-mail]
Subject: want CP/M for Northstar Horizon

Does anybody know where I can get CP/M for a Northstar Horizon computer?
My mom acquired one and wants to use it.

Larry Fenske
uunet!vsedev!tlxprs!lunar!larry

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Date: 28 Sep 88 19:54:30 GMT
From: cbmvax!hutch!rabbit1![e-mail]  (Tom Donohue)
Subject: Z-80 Unix?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Stephen J. Friedl) writes:
> In the early days, Whitesmiths felt they were In Charge of C
> programming.  Above, `rewrote 90% of the libraries' means that
> the usage and function names were different as well.  For example:
>
>         putfmt("The number is %i\n", i);
>
> replaced your good old printf.  After a time, they released a
> compatible library, but it was likely due to outrage.

At the time (~1979), I beleive Whitesmiths was afraid of incurring
the wrath of AT&T.  Copyrights and such.  Perhaps they were overly
cautious, or perhaps it was a valid concern.  I don't know where
I heard this, but it wasn't from Whitesmiths, so take it with a grain
of salt.
--
-- tom        ...!{rutgers,uunet}!cbmvax!hutch!tom

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Date: 29 Sep 88 01:53:26 GMT
From: attcan!nebulus![e-mail]  (Dennis S. Breckenridge)
Subject: Z-80 Unix?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Doug Braun ~) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chris Rende) writes:
> >In his book "The Unix Operating System" Kaare Christian mentions that Unix
> >exists for the Z-80. This was a big suprise to me. I didn't know that Unix ran
> >on any 8 bit CPU's.
>
> If anybody would like to look at this stuff, let me know, and I will
> dig out the disks and figure out how to upload them.
>
> Doug Braun                Intel Corp CAD
>                     408 765-4279
>
>  / decwrl \
>  | hplabs |
> -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev4!dbraun
>  | amd    |
>  \ qantel /

I tried to send you mail directly but it bounced from mordor - joyce.

Subject: UNIX Z80

 Hi Doug, I seen you posting for the source for z80 UNIX (tm) and I am very
 interested in getting a copy. I should mention that I work for AT&T Canada
 I am in the National Technical Support area and can be reached at ...!attcan!
 dennis or here on my 6386 at home.
 I have several CP/M systems lying around here and it would be great fun to
 try and get UNIX running on at least one of them. I do not have any version
 7 source.

  Thanks in advance

--
==============================================================================
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waste!"                                      206 Poyntz Ave
                         North York, Ontario M2N1J6
                         [phone]
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Date: Monday, 26 September 1988  09:09-MDT
From: tektronix!orca!tekecs!frip![e-mail] (Andrew Klossner)
Subject: Z-80 Unix?

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    "I have never in the meantime seen such a blatant example of
    gratuitous incompatibility.  What is surprising is that this
    came from the man who cowrite _Elements of Programming Style_,
    P.J.  Plauger."

This discussion has overlooked the motivation of Unix incompatibility
in Idris.  Plauger and associates were scared that AT&T lawyers would
shut them down under the trade secret laws because they had access to
Unix source code before they formed Whitesmiths.  The "galloping
incompatibility" was an attempt to demonstrate that Idris was not a
Unix rip-off.

This was back in the days when the same company that sold Unix would
hassle you about adding an unregistered extension phone, and the
lowest-cost Unix license was $20,000 (no cheap binaries).  I'd say
their concern was justified.

  -=- Andrew Klossner   (decvax!tektronix!tekecs!andrew)       [UUCP]
                        ([e-mail])   [ARPA]

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Date: 30 Sep 88 03:13:28 GMT
From: cwjcc!hal!ncoast![e-mail]  (Phil Smith)
Subject: z-80 unix and unix-"like" shells

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Andrew Scott Beals) writes:
>Let's clear things up.  There are three general classes of
>objects that people are talking about:
>
>    * Unix-like shells (CCP replacements)
>    * Unix-like operating systems (ground-zero efforts)
>    * Unix ported to the z80
>
I have in my hands one port of XINU (as in Doug Comer) to the Z80; that
was written in C/80 CP/M C.  I have seen others.  The XINU port that I
have is a bare-bones kernel (no utilities).  It is a little odd to see
the results of ps -efl on an ADM-3a connected to an IMSAI, though.

The XINU port that I have was done by Ed Schramm, who lives near
Norfolk, VA.  I can provide an address if needed.

Mike Squires Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 814 724 3360
uucp: ..!cwjcc!ncoast!{mikes,peng!sir-alan!mikes} or ..!pitt!sir-alan!mikes
BITNET: [e-mail] (VAX) MIKES AT SIR-ALAN!PITT.UUCP (IBM)
Internet: sir-alan![e-mail]

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Date: Tuesday, 27 September 1988  23:33-MDT
From: [e-mail] (Joel Spolsky)
Subject: z-80 unix and unix-"like" shells

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
| FYI, Cromix v11 _DOES_ run on a Z80.
|
|   [happy description of Z80 unix deleted]

ah, time to start our discussions about porting Kermit to eniac, and
running Unix on an HP-41C again....

Joel

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Date: 29 Sep 88 22:02:38 GMT
From: njsmu!mccc![e-mail]  (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Z80MU

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GREID) writes:
...I am trying to run the CPM emulator Z80MU on a Zenith Z-180 Laptop and I am
...having trouble determining what is needed in the AUTOEXEC.Z80 file.  The
...Z80MU.DOC file isn't much help.  I would appreciate any suggestions concerning
...the appropriate contents of this file.  Without it or with an "empty"
...AUTOEXEC.Z80 I get a BDOS error.

I run Z80MU without an AUTOEXEC.Z80 file.  I believe that I ran it that
way when I had a Z-180.  But, put DIR into it and see what happens.  If
you still get the BDOS error, try another copy of Z80EMU or another Z-180.

Pete Holsberg                   UUCP: {...!rutgers!}princeton!mccc!pjh
Technology Division                   ...!att!jonlab!mccc!pjh
Mercer College            CompuServe: 70240,334
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Trenton, NJ 08690               Voice: 1-609-586-4800

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