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Computer Privacy Digest Sat, 09 Jul 94 Volume 5 : Issue: 003
Today's Topics: Moderator: Leonard P. Levine
SSN of Dependants Now Required
SSNs at Car Dealership
Re: CID is not the same as 800 or 911 ANI
NSA's Response in {Wired}
privacy
Re: Question About CallerID
Re: Question About CallerID
Re: Question About CallerID
Re: Question About CallerID
Re: Question About CallerID
Re: What's a Cop to Do?
Re: Video cameras in City Centres
Re: IRS Speech, Again
Signatures in Electronic Commerce (long)
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From: Christopher Hoover <ch@lks.csi.com>
Date: 08 Jul 94 15:44:35 -0500
Subject: SSN of Dependants Now Required
My employer has asked me to list all my dependents, their
relationships to me, and their *social security numbers*.
Apparently employers are now required to submit H-2 forms to the
Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA). The HCFA requires ``that
employers maintaining a group health plan that covers at least one
employee must submit information about convered employees, dependents,
and the plan to the Medicare / Medicaid data bank.''
Yet another use of SSN's ...
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From: jepstein@cordant.com (Jeremy Epstein -C2 PROJECT)
Date: 08 Jul 1994 16:51:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SSNs at Car Dealership
I was getting my car serviced today at the local Mercury dealership,
and hanging on a wall by the cashier's office was a framed plaque
giving the names and SSNs of mechanics who are authorized to perform
emissions and safety inspections. Wonder how the Commonwealth of
Virginia justifies requiring dealerships to post the list and then
includes SSNs. Sort of like the court case they just lost on requiring
SSNs to vote, and making the voting records public.
--Jeremy Epstein
Cordant, Inc.
jepstein@cordant.com
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From: kadokev@rci.ripco.com (Kevin Kadow)
Date: 08 Jul 1994 20:45:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: CID is not the same as 800 or 911 ANI
dunn@nlm.nih.gov (Joe Dunn, MSD) said: A big advantage of having
per id blocking on a call by call basis is that it would be
prohibitively expensive for a telemarketing company to block their
number. People could then stop answering calls from them when they
see the number. Downside is that if you had an unlisted number you
would have dial extra numbers for every call to block your number
going out.
Personally, I am in favor of BOTH per call and line blocking, with *67
doing nothing on a line with line blocking enabled, and another code
(*68?) enabling caller-id sending if it was disabled. All at no
charge.
The other solution is line blocking, in which all calls have the id
blocked. Downside: what if you had to call 911 and the number was
blocked because you forgot to dial the extra numbers to send your
number. And telemarkters would pay a one time fee to block the
number so you would be in the same boat you are now. Pick up phone,
listen to pitch, hang-up rudely...
The 911 systems which provide calling number, name, and address, are
not blocked by the caller-id blocking system- the same goes for calling
1-800 numbers- the owner of the 800 system always gets your number.
-- kadokev@ripco.com
Kevin Kadow
FREE Usenet/Mail, inexpensive Internet - Ripco... Wearing white hats since 1983
Dialup:(312) 665-0065|Gopher:gopher.ripco.com|Telnet:foley.ripco.com ('info')
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From: Paul Robinson <PAUL@TDR.COM>
Date: 09 Jul 1994 09:16:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: NSA's Response in {Wired}
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA
Nathan Zook <nzook@fireant.ma.utexas.edu>, writes: The biggest
NSA-specific gripe I could come up with is that the system is
classified. That means we can't test it easily. And I believe
that even with _our_ hands tied behind our backs, we are finding
sever[e] technical problems.
Not to mention Mr. Baker's failure to mention that the U.S. Congress
passed a bill which was signed into law _requiring_ the NSA to keep its
hands behind its back, and its thumbs off the new encryption standard.
---
Paul Robinson - Paul@TDR.COM
Voted "Largest Polluter of the (IETF) list" by Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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From: WHMurray@dockmaster.ncsc.mil
Date: 09 Jul 94 10:50 EDT
Subject: privacy
patchman at retcocom (J. Patrick Henry) asks: My question regarng
the Clipper is this: If a w enforcement official susp illegal
activity behind ectronic enemy lines, what would he/she do for
surveillancf he/she didn't have the Clipper?
I suspect that the question is facetious. However, just in case it is
serious or the answer is not obvious to readers, the answer is that
they would do the same thing that they will do in the face of strong
private crypto. That is, they will get closer to an end of the
traffic. They will bug, suborn, threaten, coopt and corrupt. Even for
law enforcement, the issue is not one of effectiveness but one of
efficiency. It is not whether or not they can listen in, but how
cheaply. It is not whether they can listen to any conversation that
they want to, but whether or not they can listen to every conversation
that they want to.
However, do not go too far down this path. CLIPPER is not about law
enforcement. It is about the efficiency of signals intelligence. It
is not about the few hundred wiretaps that are done each year under
color of warrant. It is about the hundred of thousands that are done
without warrant. It is not about the taps done by the FBI, state
police, or even municipal police. It is about those done by private
police, private investigators, and other "confidential" paid
informants. It is about all of the jobs (tens of thousands, more than
the FBI or CIA), power (sufficient to command the votes of entire
committees of the congress), and money (tens of billions of dollars) at
Fort Meade.
In the immortal words of Deep Throat, "Follow the money."
William Hugh Murray
New Canaan, Connecticut
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From: forags@nature.Berkeley.EDU (Al Stangenberger)
Date: 08 Jul 1994 19:55:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Question About CallerID
Organization: U.C. Forestry & Resource Mgt.
Joe Dunn, MSD <dunn@nlm.nih.gov> wrote: "J. Shickel" writes: Does
'Caller ID' return the telephone number of callers with unlisted
numbers? This is the primary reason for all the legal challanges to
the caller id service. People who have unlisted numbers would be
giving out their numbers unless there is a mechanism of blocking
the number.
The other solution is line blocking, in which all calls have the id
blocked. Downside: what if you had to call 911 and the number was
blocked because you forgot to dial the extra numbers to send your
number.
911 uses a different service, ANI (Automatic Number Identification)
which cannot be blocked.
Another problem is, calling an 800 number. The courts have ruled
since the company with the 800 number is paying for the cal