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          VIRUS-L Digest   Wednesday, 13 Feb 1991    Volume 4 : Issue 27
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Today's Topics:

Observation On An Observation
BOOTCOMP.ZIP - Use BIOS-ints to compare bootsector with saved (PC)
Translation of POLIMER VIRUS (PC)
Is this a virus? (PC)
Re: Boot Sector/Partition Table Protection (PC)
Viruses Via Radio
IBM Virus Scanner. (PC)
Observations & Comments
Request for info on the Ohio virus (PC)
Disinfecting an Appleshare fileserver (Mac)
Leprosy virus signature error (PC)
University Lab Protection (PC)
Viruses in text files
MSDOS built in anti-viral for 40 meg or up hard drive (PC)

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and so forth) should be sent to me at: [e-mail].

   Ken van Wyk

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Date:    Mon, 11 Feb 91 15:47:42 -0700
From:    [e-mail] (Richard W Travsky)
Subject: Observation On An Observation

An observation on an observation...
David Gursky    [e-mail] writes

> Observation 2: Mac viruses are not easier to write than PC viruses for
> [...various reasons deleted...]
> that infect each platform.  When I last checked (and this was awhile
> ago), there were some 5 different Mac viruses, with no more than five
> variations on a particular strain: total of about a dozen Mac viruses.
> At the time, the number of PC viruses numbered 23 distinct strains and
> over a 100 total viruses.  Alot of has to do with the number of
> vandals writing viruses for the Mac vs. DOS, but it also has to do the
> relative ease with which viruses can be written for DOS vs.  the Mac.

There are possibly more practical reasons as to why there are more pc viruses
than mac viruses:  There are MORE pcs than macs,  not just more "vandals
writing",  tho the two quantities are clearly related.  I saw a blurb a while
back in PC Week saying there were around 45 million pcs in the US (apparently
not counting Europe and elsewhere).  Unfortunately,  there was not a
corresponding figure for macs.  Be that as it may,  more pcs means more people
working on them (for one reason or another - some to do work, some to write
viruses).  Something else of note that I've learned from this list is that most
recent viruses have been written in (eastern) Europe.  What is the ratio of pcs
to macs in Europe?  Predominance of the platform easily leads to more viruses.
And if it's easier to do on a pc...well,  it's a frightening scenario.
Richard Travsky                        Bitnet:   RTRAVSKY @ UWYO
Division of Information Technology     Internet: RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668

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Date:    Mon, 11 Feb 91 11:36:00 +0700
From:    [e-mail]
Subject: BOOTCOMP.ZIP - Use BIOS-ints to compare bootsector with saved (PC)

Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen

I have uploaded to SIMTEL20:

pd1:<msdos.virus>
BOOTCOMP.ZIP    Use BIOS-ints to compare bootsector with saved

This package uses the original BIOS interrupts to get the "current"
bootsector and partitiontable and compare it with a previously saved copy.
Since the original interrupts are used, no virus can mislead the program.

Arjen Merckens ([e-mail])

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Date:    Mon, 11 Feb 91 00:00:00
From:    "Richard Budd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Translation of POLIMER VIRUS (PC)

In answer to Fridrik Skulason's request in VIRUS-L last month for a
translation of a sentence appearing on the POLIMER Virus:

A le' jobb kazetta a POLIMER kazetta!  Vegye ezt!

I. Szarka at IBM's Budapest office confirmed to me today that the
sentence is in Magyar.  It translates as:

The best cassette is the POLIMER cassette!  Buy this!

As a systems engineer with our Budapest office, he is very interested in
knowing as much information about this POLIMER virus as possible.  Could
Mr. Skulason please forward details of the POLIMER virus to klub@maristb
on BITNET.  At this time, my IBM account is unfortunately not connected
with any outside networks.

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Richard Budd              | E-Mail: IBMers    - [e-mail]
VM Systems Programmer     |         All Others- [e-mail]
IBM - Sterling Forest, NY | Phone:              [phone]
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IBM and Marist College don't ask me for my opinions.  They just let me
play with their computers.

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Date:    Tue, 12 Feb 91 09:33:00 +0700
From:    MIKAEL LINDBERG MORTENSEN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Is this a virus? (PC)

  I Would like some good advice on VIRUS. I am trying to figure out
whether a computer has a virus or the computer is just sick, here
goes:

      While being inside a word processor (MS-Word 5.0) the computer
suddenly hung up, at least the keyboard was disabled. The speaker
started pipping realy madly. The mouse still worked though.
  If the computer was hung the mouse would not work, if the computer
was hung the speaker would not be beeping, but just make a tone,
Have I got a known Virus on my hand or what?
  Any suggestions are welcomed.
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                    *      Mikael Lindberg Mortensen          *
                    *      University of Copenhagen  DDBD?    *
                    *      Psychological Laboratory    @EY    *
                    *      Denmark.                     @D    *
                    *       [e-mail]              *
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Date:    12 Feb 91 12:01:30 +0000
From:    [e-mail] (Fridrik Skulason)
Subject: Re: Boot Sector/Partition Table Protection (PC)

Regarding the subject of automatically detecting infections by boot
sector viruses, I just wanted to point out that F-DRIVER.SYS (a part
of my F-PROT package) will detect all known boot sector viruses, and
is also designed to detect new/unknown boot sector and partition table
viruses.  I will, however include an option in version 1.15 to disable
this check, as it may cause problems on machines with network boot
ROMs.

- -frisk

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Date:    Mon, 11 Feb 91 11:41:04 -0700
From:    [e-mail] (Richard W Travsky)
Subject: Viruses Via Radio

The January 28th edition of Computer World has an article in the
viewpoint section entitled "Fighting Terminal Terroism".  The appears
within:

   Radio frequency interception is a nearly trivial task today.  Using an
   "intercept/transmit" model,  viruses can be injected into communications
   systems with relative ease.  The U.S. government has issued contracts
   for studies on methods of infecting enemy military computers with
   viruses...

I was not aware virus transmission by radio had been accomplished.  I
recall a news blurb a few months or so ago about the contracts for
radio transmission of viruses, but I also vaguely remember that the
general conscensus was that it was not possible ('course, that
wouldn't stop the government! ;).  So, fact or hype?  Anyone have any
information?

Richard Travsky                        Bitnet:   RTRAVSKY @ UWYO
Division of Information Technology     Internet: RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668

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Date:    Tue, 12 Feb 91 11:08:55 +0000
From:    "Pete Lucas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: IBM Virus Scanner. (PC)

Can anyone tell me whether any new signature files have been released
for the IBM Virus Scanner? I currently have release 1.2 of this
program, which is at a guess around 6 months old; has there been any
update of the program??

           Pete Lucas [e-mail]  [e-mail]

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Date:    12 February, 1991
From:    Padgett Peterson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Observations & Comments

From:    [e-mail] (jeffrey scott miller)

>Artifical intelligence?  For what purpose.  99% of scanning for
>viruses just requires looking for a "search string".

However, scanners are only one form of integrity protection for a PC.
A good AI program will be able to "learn" a system configuration,
which programs are allowed to do what, and flag the user if something
unusual takes place. The prime problem with such schemes today result
from too many "false positives" to avoid any "false negatives".
Enigma-Logics VIRUS-SAFE, Certus Int'l's CERTUS, and Mr. McAfee's
VSHIELD are good second generation products available today, but the
third generation is going to have to include some form of AI as
described above.

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From:    [e-mail] (Merckens A)

>The solution, which can be found in BOOTCOMP.ZIP, is based on methods used
>by these viruses (to catch a thief ....)

>After this has been done, the computer should be booted from this floppy.
>The code in the bootsector then catches the original BIOS
>interrupts and patches them to the file BOOTCOMP.exe.

>When the program BOOTCOMP.exe is called, it uses the original
>interrupts to get the "current" bootsector and partition table. So even
>if a virus has taken the interrupts, we will indeed get the true
>information, and comparison is correct.

This certainly is a better answer than exists under DOS alone but
there are methods that can be used to achieve tha same result with
much less effort.

First, the "booting from floppy" requirement was found to be
unacceptable to most users: it was easier to perform the integrity
checking at the BIOS level as suggested and then pass the BIOS "hooks"
in memory. Additional problems are that you will not be notified of an
infection until you run BOOTCOMP after DOS has loaded and each machine
must have its own floppy making maintenance more complicated. Also
this is a difficult proposition when coupled with a "never boot from
floppy" policy or any sort of paswword protection for the hard disk.

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From:    [e-mail]

>Observation 2: Mac viruses are not easier to write than PC viruses for
>the same reason Mac application are not easier to write than PC
>applications...Alot of has to do with the number of
>vandals writing viruses for the Mac vs. DOS, but it also has to do the
>relative ease with which viruses can be written for DOS vs the Mac.

The real point is not the difficulty of writing the application,
either is simple in comparison to writing a good word processor,
rather it is the total lack of integrity checking in either platform.
Larger systems were forced to design in such systems (and accept the
impact on performance) so that accidental (or malicious) actions by
one user could not take down an entire system. IBM learned this in the
'50s as has every other multi-user system manufacturer, but the
original 4.77 mHz PC could not compete with the CP/M machines if the
overhead of a "real" OS was added. MACs are the same way - performance
takes precidence over protection. This is neither good nor bad, just a
fact.

Today with 40 mHz 68040s and 33 mHz 80386s, the performance it there
to allow effective integrity assurance unnoticably (in fact it can be
done on a 4.77 mHz PC), there just has not been much of a market for
it. MS DOS 5.00 does not seem to have any more than 1.00 did and I
would be surprised to find anything in MAC 7. On both platforms, if
you can write a properly constucted executable file, the CPU will
happily execute it even if it causes self-destruction.

Today, what development has been done has largely been by a small
group of dedicated people such as Frisk, Ross Greenberg, Chip Hyde,
Dennis Yelle, Morgan Schweers, Kelly Goen, John Norstad, and Andy
Hopkins (I know this isn't complete) who have taken the time and
trouble to really understand the architecture before making an attempt
at a solution.

As far as viruses are concerned, it is difficult to have twenty years
experience in a field that has only existed for four (Yes, Fred C.
wrote one in 1984 on the VAX but I start PCs with the Brain). From one
standpoint, It is amazing that we have come so far in a short time -
the trouble is that we all want more and know that it can be done.

                                Warmly,   Padgett

ps Have sent a beta copy of DISKSECURE to Ken since my "baroque" system
   prevents binary uploads. This is the partition table replacement experiment
   mentioned earlier. No promises or guarentees nor does it have anything
   to do with my employer. It just seems to work. app

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Date:    Tue, 12 Feb 91 13:03:16 -0400
From:    [e-mail]
Subject: Request for info on the Ohio virus (PC)

Hello virus-l,

I just joined the list and I am interested in finding out information
regarding the "Ohio" virus.

I've been told it only hits 360K floppies and it infects the boot sector.

What I would like to know is what the virus does.  Does it destroy data?
Does it destroy FATs? etc...

We have discovered a large number of floppies infected with this virus and
are in the process of cleaning it up.

Please respond directly to me.  I will summarize if appropriate.

Thanks in advance.

Todd Bowman                       [e-mail]
Manager of Academic Computing
Morehead State University
Morehead, Kentucky

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Date:    Tue, 12 Feb 91 11:07:37 -0700
From:    James Fish <[e-mail]>
Subject: Disinfecting an Appleshare fileserver (Mac)

Can anyone give me some advice on how to disinfect an Appleshare
fileserver and protect it from further infection?  The machine is a
Mac SE/30, 4MB RAM, 80MB HD that is used in a computer lab open to
general student use.

Thanks!

Jim Fish
Student Information Systems
Arizona State University
[e-mail]
                              >>*<<
Advice to the Arizona Legislature:  "Beware of things you might step in...
that foot may later wind up in your mouth."
                              >>*<<

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Date:    Tue, 12 Feb 91 09:48:00 -0500
From:    John Perry KG5RG <[e-mail]>
Subject: Leprosy virus signature error (PC)

        It has been brought to my attention that the virus signature
in the file VIRUS.NEW on beach.gal.utexas.edu for the Leprosy virus is
in error.  VIRUS.NEW is an addendum to SIGN.TXT used by FPROT114.
Fridrik Skulason has verified that this new signature may cause a
false alarm in some instances. If you have downloaded VIRUS.NEW from
beach.gal.utexas.edu and receive a warning pertaining to the Leprosy
virus it is probably a false alarm. An updated/corrected version of
the file will be available shortly and I will announce it's
availabilty in VIRUS-L.

                              John Perry KG5RG
                              University of Texas Medical Branch
                              Galveston, Texas  77550-2772

You can send mail to me at any of the following addresses:

DECnet   : BEACH::PERRY
THEnet   : BEACH::PERRY
Internet : [e-mail]
Internet : [e-mail]
BITNET   : PERRY@UTMBEACH
SPAN     : UTSPAN::UTADNX::BEACH::PERRY
FIDOnet  : 1:106/365.0

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Date:    Tue, 12 Feb 91 10:11:51 -0800
From:    [e-mail] (Rob Slade)
Subject: University Lab Protection (PC)

[e-mail] (RAY) writes:

> virus protection packages. We have a copy of Virex for our use but
> would like to implement something in the labs. We have look at SCAN
> but McAfee shareware site licences prices are exceptionally high.  The
> minimum purchase is for use on 100 machines for $3250. We would

I would suggest you get a copy of F-PROT from one of the server sites
or a local bulletin board.  We just purchased a site license for 100
machines in a government office for $200, the same for your university
would be $100, I believe.

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is not what ships are built for."             ||      ||
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Date:    Tue, 12 Feb 91 11:21:24 +0000
From:    Anthony Appleyard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Viruses in text files

With reference to this message:-
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Date:    11 Feb 91 01:16:47 +0000
From:    [e-mail] (jeffrey scott miller)
Subject: Re: Virus questions (PC)
...........
True. Viruses cannot infect text files, as they are never executed. Viruses
CAN look to see if a certain filetype is being accesses  (i.e.  .DBF),  but
since  there  is no executable code in a text file, there is no way a virus
can "latch" onto the file.
...........
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There was a long discussion in Virus-L in the past about viruses  infecting
text  files.  Some  systems and programs when reading text files treat some
character sequences as escape sequences to tell them to obey the  following
characters   specially,   e.g.  reading  them  as  binary  into  store,  or
trojanizing keyboard keys by altering what those keys do. So viruses  <can>
infect or trojanize text files.
{A.Appleyard} (email: [e-mail]), Tue, 12 Feb 91 11:14:56 GMT

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Date:    13 Feb 91 11:34:04 -0600
From:    [e-mail]
Subject: MSDOS built in anti-viral for 40 meg or up hard drive (PC)

using a well known MSDOS 3.2 problem of not recognize 40 megabytes
hard drives I run suspicous program on floppies only
Now can any know virus infect my hard drive anyway?
thanks in advance
  bye (sp.) the way, University of Houston can disable boot up from
  drive A: no matter that you has turn the machine off that is pretty
  impressive hu?  But I don't how they do it
please reply to this message or email cosc13gb.jetson.uh.edu

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