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Tue,  1 Dec 92 04:30:03 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #326To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
1 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  326Today's Topics:
     FTP site of X-1G  or X-1H needed!
GRAPES 56K Modem                ICOM IC-2SRA 2M HT Packet
Connections                              PktWin 1.1
               The NET X1J                             Want
MacRATT                      Will someone PLEASE HELP!!Send
Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1992 10:16:51 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.w
isc.edu!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska
.edu!acad3.alaska.edu![e-mail]: FTP site of
X-1G  or X-1H needed!To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
writes:> Im looking for a FTP site where i can find TheNET X-1G
och X-1H!> Archie don't find it ! Where should i look ?> >
/sm5ohi, Peter.-- It can be found on ucsd.edu--somewhere down
the directory nesting.73, John--John
[e-mail]        BITNET:
IFJRS@[e-mail]        kl7jl.ampr.org
[44.22.0.1]"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was the
Question?"--------------------------------Date: 30 Nov 92
20:39:07 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: GRAPES 56K
ModemTo: [e-mail] would also like info about this
product.-Nick KA1NIP***Just out for a little R&R....Rest and
Radio....------------------------------Date: 30 Nov 92 16:40:49
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!ol
ivea!sgigate!odin!jerber.sandiego.sgi.com![e-mail]
Subject: ICOM IC-2SRA 2M HT Packet ConnectionsTo:
[e-mail]-- Does anyone have a schematic or similar
data on ICOM's wiring for theIC-2SRA's combination
Speaker/PTT/Microphone connector jack?  This is toconnect the HT
to my packet TNC.It appears that all of ICOM's new dual-band
radios all have gone away fromseparate jacks for the speaker and
microphone.  I don't understand why ICOMhas left this
information out of the documentation.  Maybe they can'timagine
anyone using this particular line of HTs for packet!If anyone
would like to FAX this information, please reply back and
I'llgive you my FAX phone number.Thanks in advance73Jerry
Bransford
KC6TAY~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Jerry
 Bransford            Silicon Graphics(619)
546-0409~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~---
---------------------------Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 22:37:13
GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!gsusgi1.gsu.edu!gsusgi1.gsu.edu![e-mail]
D.EDUSubject: PktWin 1.1To:
[e-mail]@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Paul M.
Hounslow) writes:>               PktWin Version 1.1 is now
ready.  >     I have uploaded PktWin to ftp.cica.indiana.edu.
It is >currently in /pub/pc/win3/uploads as PKTWIN11.ZIP.>It is
an Amateur Radio Packet TNC controller program, and is>shareware
(25 pounds registration). >Paul>---->73's de Paul
         The smelling pistakes are all my own.>Packet:
G4YFY@GB7BEQ>EMail:  [e-mail] Paul,
Thanks for the new version. My problem however is this. When I
ran Pktwin.exefrom Program Manager or File Manger i get a "This
program runs under Windows"error message. I don't know why
Windows thinks this is a dos app.I also checked to make sure
that I had all the proper files. Well I hope tosolve this
problem soon.73'sBen
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 30
Nov 92 14:26:17 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.e
du!yale.edu!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!uofs!triangle.cs.uofs.edu!
[e-mail]: The NET X1JTo:
[e-mail]2 questions.Is the source for any of the
X1? TheNET versions available??Is it possible that the bank
switching method used on the TNC-2 to runthis could also be used
on the TNC-1??bill  KB3YV--      Bill Gunshannon          |
  If this statement wasn't here,     [e-mail]         |
This space would be left intentionally blank
         |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>
------------------------------Date: 30 Nov 92 21:29:21 GMTFrom:
news.bbn.com!bbn.com![e-mail]: Want
MacRATTTo: [e-mail] have just started using packet
radio, and I'd like something betterthan a terminal emulator.
I'm using an old Macintosh (on a new PKC-3,nice machine!).  I've
heard of something called MacRATT (I think it'smentioned in the
ARRL Operating Manual) but I can't find it in theusual places.If
it is public domain or freeware or shareware I'd like a pointer
towhere I might find it; or if it is $-ware, I'd like a pointer
to whereI might buy it.  It would really be nice if it could run
on an old512K (not KE) mac.    Tnx & 73 / JBL n1mnf  ([e-mail]
 or                   N1MNF @ KA1GOZ.NH.USA.NA *)*Can anyone explain what
the "#" in some packet addresses means?=Nets: [e-mail]  |
pots: [phone]  |                                      "I
gotta go."              N1MNF  |
           -- I. Shoales------------------------------Date: 30
Nov 92 19:45:57 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Will
someone PLEASE HELP!!To: [e-mail] would really
like someone to help me with some advanced packet
questions!!Anyone Please, my Email address is:
[e-mail]-Nick KA1NIP***Still waiting for my new
call------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#326******************************Date: Wed,  2 Dec 92 04:30:04
PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #327To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
2 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  327Today's Topics:
2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.radio.info moderated             ICOM
W2A & IC-2SRA Packet Connection Answer
Internet <==> Packet                         Looking for a
KAM...                               MacRatt
   Packet and OS/2 help!                   PK232 and OUTBOARD
AUDIO FILTERS                     TCP/IP Cord. for Connecticut
                TCP/IP in Claremont, NH region?
       THEnet X1G Questions                             The NET
X1J                             Want MacRATTSend Replies or
notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 1 Dec 1992 13:43:48 -0500From:
[e-mail]: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:
rec.radio.info moderatedTo: [e-mail] is a 2nd
CALL FOR VOTES for the creation of the rec.radio.info
newsgroup.At the end of this article is a list of blind tallies,
acknowledging thereception of your votes. If you are not in the
list, and have sent in a vote,please resend your vote. The RFD
was first posted on 28 October 1992, andthe original CFV was
posted on 23 November 1992.Voting has started, and will end on
December 23, 1992 at 23:59 GMT.  Votesshould be mailed as
follows(*):Yes (create rec.radio.info, as proposed):
[e-mail] or [e-mail] (do not create):
[e-mail] or [e-mail] is not important (at
least on the receiving end). (* Voting mailboxes are amateur
radio Q-codes for mnemonic purposes.QSL = acknowledged, also
loosely yes or affirmative.  QRT = cease transmission,also
loosely no, "nix" or "86").Votes that are posted or mailed to me
will not be counted.  Message bodies willbe ignored for tallying
purposes.Moderator at creation will be [e-mail]
(Mark Gregory Salyzyn)using the address
[e-mail]. Regular posters to thisgroup
will be deputized to moderator status to provide timeliness,
reliabilityand to keep the load down on the chief moderator.
There is no archive sitearranged at the moment, however,
[e-mail] has offered a siteonce installed in
the coming month. We also need a BITNET Listserver gatewayif
anyone is interested in supplying.  Any offers to help moderate
or archivethis new group, if passed, can be made to
[e-mail],adec23.UUCP!mark or
[e-mail] see the pertinent postings in
news.answers and news.announce.newgroupsfor the rules that will
be followed in creating a newsgroup.------- Charter
--------Newsgroup:    rec.radio.info
(moderated)/usr/lib/news/newsgroups
entry:    rec.radio.info    Informational postings related to
radio.Charter:    To provide high quality, informational postings
about radio.  This    group will take cross-postings, or moderated
postings from the regular    discussion streams to alleviate the
traffic, over expensive links, in    these groups by allowing the
news transfer mechanism to drop articles    cross posted to
rec.radio.info. Postings in the entire rec.radio.*    hierarchy
that the moderator(s) feel as informational, however, are    likely
candidates for cross posting or re-posting. Also by placing
the    informational postings in this group, make it easier for
many to find    radio related information.    By maintaining a high
level of quality in the postings, it is hoped    that these
postings may end up, at least more conveniently, in
various    archive sites, or possibly over the Amateur Radio Packet
BBS network    as well.    By using a self-moderator scheme, the hopes
are that many of the    postings will maintain timeliness, and good
propagation through the    computer networks.-------- Blind Tally,
vote acknowledgements -------From: Paul W Schleck KD3FU
<[e-mail]>There should be 113 unique votes
here. ...73, Paul, KD3FU--"39A::MUSCHINSKE"
<[e-mail]>"Allen L.
Spruill" <[e-mail]>"Bill Frangos"
<[e-mail]>"David B. Horvath, CDP"
<[e-mail]>"Dr.K.Krallis - Epsilon Software
S.A." <[e-mail]>"Eric J. Olson"
<[e-mail]>"Eric T. Lane"
<[e-mail]>"Jason Berri"
<[e-mail]>"Josh Cockey"
<[e-mail]>"Loren Thompson"
<[e-mail]>"Peter Koch"
<[e-mail]><sapnet![e-mail]
>[e-mail] Cunningham <[e-mail]>andrew m.
boardman <[e-mail]>B.J.  25-Nov-1992 0931
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Harry
Bartholomew)[e-mail]@proton.llumc.edu (Barrie
Britton)Charles Shub <[e-mail]>Chris Cox
W0/G4JEC
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]
.comCraig Bender <renfield![e-mail]>Craig Lemon
VE3XCL <lemsys![e-mail]>[e-mail]
("Bunji Yamamoto")Dale Mosby
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (dale
jensrud)[e-mail] (Dave
Horsfall)[e-mail] (Donald R.
Newcomb)[e-mail][e-mail] (Doug
Crompton)[e-mail]@arrl.org (Ed Hare -
KA1CV)[e-mail] (Ed McGuire)[e-mail]
(Francis A. Uy)[e-mail] (Geoff Allen)Gerben 'P'
Vos <[e-mail]>[e-mail] (John Schmidt)Graham
Rule <[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Tracy K. Wood/KD0UP)gtephx![e-mail] (Jim
Black)I've got a pocket full of kryptonite
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Ian
Phillipps)[e-mail] (Martha Rapp)Jay Maynard
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Jeffrey Cours)Jeff Tucker N9HZQ
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (jeff
bamford)[e-mail] (John Harkin)Jim -- DTN 223-5747 --
MLO5-2/13A <[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Jim Curran)Joel B Levin <[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(John Opalko)[e-mail] Bradshaw x5558
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]@bongo.info.co
m (Julian Macassey)[e-mail] (Jerry
Weiss)[e-mail]@genepi.hanse.de (Kai
Altenfelder)kd4jml.ampr.org![e-mail] of the tone
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Gregory R.
LaBorde)[e-mail] (Larry G Biedenweg)Lyndon
Nerenberg <[e-mail]>Maggie Donovan
<[e-mail]>[e-mail],Martyn
Johnson <[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Michael Covington)Michael Quinn
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Maxime Taksar
KC6ZPS)[e-mail] (matt payne)MRO1-3/C6 dtn 297-9029
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Michael S
Shappe)[e-mail] (Michael R.
Zeug)N.Kaiya <[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Orville Beach
(MIS))[e-mail]@[e-mail]
[e-mail] (Paul
Flaherty)[e-mail] Laws N5UWY
<[e-mail]>Ralf Begemann <fhlip!c52514>Rami Zureick
<[e-mail]>richard nimtz
<[e-mail]>Rick Ellis
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Richard
H. Miller)Risto Kotalampi <[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Roberta L Taylor)Roger Bielefeld <[e-mail]>Ron Buckmire
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]
()rosedale![e-mail] (Dave Breneman)[e-mail]
(Russell McFatter)[e-mail] (Ross
Alexander)[e-mail]@charon.dseg.ti.com (Steve
Brown)[e-mail] (John Schubert)Soda Stereo!
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Steve
Schallehn)[e-mail] (Bob
Stratton)sunriv![e-mail] Maton - Construction
Engineering Assistant <[e-mail]>Thomas Alan
Dockstader <[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Jorma
M{ntyl{)Tom Limoncelli
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Clement Vaillancourt 514-652-8238)[e-mail]
Marchant
<[e-mail]>William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14
[e-mail] (Willis
Marti)[e-mail] (Conway Yee)Ciao, 73 de
VE6MGS/Mark -sk-------------------------------Date: 1 Dec 92
21:20:12 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!spool.mu.edu!olivea!sgigate!odin!jerber.sandiego.sgi.c
om![e-mail]: ICOM W2A & IC-2SRA Packet
Connection AnswerTo: [e-mail] getting
frustrated at a lack of packet connection documentation on mynew
ICOM IC-2SRA 2 meter handheld, and getting no help from my
localdealer, I called ICOM.ICOM technical support at (206)
454-7619 will fax/send a schematic andparts list (with Radio
Shack part numbers) for those wanting to connect thenewer ICOM
HTs with a combined microphone/speaker plug into a TNC packet
orsimilar system.Basically, it's one miniature stereo plug, 33k
1/4 watt resistor, and asmall value capacitor as far as parts
are concerned.ICOM had the information on my fax before we hung
up.  Regards,P.S.  Be prepared to stay on hold for up to 5
minutes before they can getto you.--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Jerry
Bransford            Silicon Graphics(619)
546-0409~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~---
---------------------------Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1992 15:18:43
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!crcnis1.unl.edu
!wupost!tulane!ukma![e-mail]: Internet <==>
PacketTo: [e-mail] I know the names of the
machines that I want to send someone a note  through, can I send
it to an internet address and have it bridged over to  packet?
Or is there a way for someone on packet to send me a message on
the  internet?John---=+ John S. Roberts, Jr.        Office: 100
McVey Hall +=--=+ Communications Consultant    Phone: (606)
257-2275 +=--=+ University of Kentucky        Home: (606)
272-1417 +=--=+ Computing Center            Ham: KD4UBM
DoD:727 +=-------------------------------Date: 1 Dec 92 19:42:04
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Looking for a
KAM...To: [e-mail] there anyone out there that
would like to trade a KAM for any  other computer parts. I have
motherboards, hard drives, and monitors  for trading.Please
leave me a message,-Nick KA1NIP***Still waiting for my new
call.------------------------------Date: 1 Dec 92 18:19:03
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: MacRattTo:
[e-mail]> I have just started using packet radio,
and I'd like something > better than a terminal emulator.  I'm
using an old Macintosh > (on a new PKC-3, nice machine!).  I've
heard of something > called MacRATT (I think it's mentioned in
the ARRL Operating > Manual) but I can't find it in the usual
places.>> If it is public domain or freeware or shareware I'd
like a > pointer to where I might find it; or if it is $-ware,
I'd like > a pointer to where I might buy it.  It would really
be nice if > it could run on an old 512K (not KE) mac.>JBL....
the software MacRatt is NOT freeware or shareware. It is a
realcoomercial product offered by AEA. I have seen it offered by
the usual hamradio commercial dealers... HRO and all of the
others. Steve Fine wrote theprogram... not sure what the latest
release is or whether there has been anynew versions or changes
since the program was released a couple of yearsback.Check out
the dealers or call AEA for more info I guess.>>  Tnx & 73 / JBL
n1mnf  ([e-mail]  or>           N1MNF @ KA1GOZ.NH.USA.NA
*)>> *Can anyone explain what the "#" in some packet addresses >
means?The "#" is the seperator that indicates the ARRL Section
follows. So here inEMASS my packet address looks
like:KA8SCP@WA1PHY.#EMA.MA.USA.NAYou probably have figured out
the rest. Don't know whether it is redundent inyour case where
all of NH is one section. Anyone else like to clarify that?73
for now.... c u on the shortwavesTerry - KA8SCP/1, America
Online Ham Radio Club HostInternet: [e-mail] (files <28K)
 _or_            [e-mail] (files
>28K)KA8SCP@WA1PHY.#EMA.MA.USA.NOAM  _or_ [e-mail]
[44.56.4.82]------------------------------Date: 25 Nov 92
13:05:25 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!pitt!darth!n3eop![e-mail]:
Packet and OS/2 help!To: [e-mail]'m running OS/2
on 2 different machines, and would like to tie them together via
a 56K packet link.  What protocol is used is irrelevant, as it
will be only point to point.The primary function will be for
file transfer, and these are all custom written programs;
however, if I can get the system to present the remote system as
a logical drive, that would be preferred.As the systems are only
a couple of hundred feet apart, putting a 10 GHz link under
Arcnet is not out of the question.  Anyone try
this?Help!!!------------------------------Date: 1 Dec 92
19:19:00 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: PK232 and
OUTBOARD AUDIO FILTERSTo: [e-mail] have a PK232
MBX which I am now operating using FSK as well asAFSK to drive a
TS 690S via the ACC2. It works well on both modes.I now have a
question about improving the reception abilities of the 232
using a 170 Hz shift filter system outside of the 232. Iwas once
told that you could put a 170 Hz filter in an audio line
entering the 232 through the mono jack rather than the 5 pin
plugused for radio port 1 or 2. Is this audio input the one
which acceptsTTL signals? And if so - where could I find a good
schematic for a 170 Hz shift filter which could use stock or
second hand cw filters.I am told that this type of filter
addition to the 232 sig. improves the reception performance of
the 232.                             Please note that due to the
low Canadian dollar, duty etc I am holding back on purchasing
the digital filter unit recently described in QST - althougthit
appears to be the " Best Solution". Please E-mail me direct if
you are able to help provide direction asto where I might find
the schematic for the audio filter with a 170 Hzaudio freq.
shift between tones.  Thankyou for any help you might be able to
provide me.David Seeler:   CANET:
[e-mail]2DCS------------------------------Date: 1 Dec 92
19:50:05 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: TCP/IP
Cord. for ConnecticutTo: [e-mail] someone
please tell me who the Connecticut Cord. for the TCP/IP
network. I would like to get an address.-Nick KA1NIP***Still
waiting for my new call------------------------------Date: 1 Dec
92 18:15:33 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!dartvax!pranny!lee@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUSubject: TCP/IP in Claremont, NH region?To:
[e-mail]...is there any?  I've been looking around
but there seems to be nonewithin a 20 mile radius. (No, not
Hanover, plrease....)                               regards,

Lee.------------------------------Date: 1 Dec 92 13:47:03
GMTFrom:
deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!dbased.nuo.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!sous
a.tay.dec.com!bobseg.enet.dec.com![e-mail]:
THEnet X1G QuestionsTo: [e-mail] have been running
THEnet X1G for about a month now as a remote node on thelocal
mountain.  We quickly discovered that more than a couple of
users in talk mode could significantly slow down the standard
PACOMM Tiny-2 tnc we areusing.  A few days later we upgraded the
tnc to 10mhz (cpu) operation and havebeen getting rave reviews
since.The only problem that I have been having is with the
NETROM route broadcasts.For some reason the node is either not
broadcasting its netrom node routes atall or is not broadcasting
them correctly.  It appears that for some reason only netrom
route it is broadcasting is it own.  This is somewhat of a
problemthe node provides the only wide area access from the
local BBS.I have looked at the parms and mode setting and with
little exception (txdelay)everything is set to defaults.  In
particular the initial obselence count and mminimum broadcast
obselence are set to 7 and 5 respectively.  I did trysettingthe
initial obselence count to 10 but it did not seem to make any
difference.When I issue the routes command the node returns:> 0
CULBBS:KD4PWU-8 10 1  0     NK:N4DDL-3  10 1  0  IPZIV:K4ZIV-8
10 1If everything was working correctly I would expect the node
to broadcast all three of these routes and my bbs would thus
know the NETROM route to K4ZIV-8.In addition, the node N4DDL-3
should learn the NETROM route to KD4PWU-8.If N4DDL-3 does not
learn about KD4PWU-8, I don't get mail or other bbstraffic.If
anyone can help me figure this problem out I would greatly
appreciate theassistance.Also, if anyone can point me to an ftp
site for X1J I would appreciate the pointer.--Bob Segrest,
[e-mail]------------------------------Dat
e: 2 Dec 92 01:39:24 GMTFrom:
ogicse!henson!news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska
.edu![e-mail]: The NET X1JTo:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon) writes:> 2 questions.> > Is
the source for any of the X1? TheNET versions available??> Is it
possible that the bank switching method used on the TNC-2 to
run> this could also be used on the TNC-1??> > bill  KB3YVWould
love to see a port to use it on the DR-200 from PacComm!> > -- >
>      Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement
wasn't here,>      [e-mail]         |  This space would
be left intentionally blank>                               |
    #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -- --John
[e-mail]        BITNET:
IFJRS@[e-mail]        kl7jl.ampr.org
[44.22.0.1]"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was the
Question?"--------------------------------Date: 1 Dec 92
13:16:10 GMTFrom: sproul![e-mail]: Want
MacRATTTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> (rec.radio.amateur.packet),
[e-mail] (Joel B Levin) writes:> I have just started using
packet radio, and I'd like something better> than a terminal
emulator.  I'm using an old Macintosh (on a new PKC-3,> nice
machine!).  I've heard of something called MacRATT (I think
it's> mentioned in the ARRL Operating Manual) but I can't find
it in the> usual places.> > If it is public domain or freeware
or shareware I'd like a pointer to> where I might find it; or if
it is $-ware, I'd like a pointer to where> I might buy it.  It
would really be nice if it could run on an old> 512K (not KE)
mac.> >     Tnx & 73 / JBL n1mnf  ([e-mail]  or>
N1MNF @ KA1GOZ.NH.USA.NA *)> > *Can anyone explain what the "#"
in some packet addresses means?> => Nets: [e-mail]  | >
pots: [phone]  |                                      "I
gotta go.">               N1MNF  |
             -- I. Shoales> MacRATT is from AEA that produce the
PK-88 and PK-232.  MacRATT isa very good packet program with
lots of nice features.  Some of themore advanced features only
work with AEA products, but the programstill works very nicely
with non-AEA TNCs.  It is a commerical productand goes for
69.00It will run on a 512KE but not a 512K, sorry.There address
isAEAAdvanced Electronic Applications Inc2006-196th St SWPO Box
C-2160Lynnwood, WA 98036(206) 775-7373(206) 775-2340 FAX(206)
774-1722 Order Hot Line(206) 774-5554 Main Buisness
#-----------------------------------------------------Mark
Sproul - KB2ICI - New
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #327******************************Date:
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Digest V92 #328To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
3 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  328Today's Topics:
           BAYCOM Under DESQview         Clarkson Packet Driver
for DEC DEPCA Etherworks Card                       Does anyone
have PACTOR?                 G8BPQ 4.06 or higher wanted (2
msgs)                         Internet <==> Packet
        Katronics KPC-3 (2 msgs)                        Packet
and OS/2 help!                             Packet Radio
         PK232 and OUTBOARD AUDIO FILTERS
TCP/IP Cord. for Connecticut                          TheNET X1H
problem                      Will someone PLEASE HELP!!Send
Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
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<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 29 Nov 92 17:25:41 GMTFrom:
usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!pitt!darth!n3eop!paul@netwo
rk.UCSD.EDUSubject: BAYCOM Under DESQviewTo:
[e-mail][e-mail] (Steve Wolf)
writes:> >      Using DESQview, I am able to run (at work)
Quattro Pro,> Paradox, WordPerfect and a file utility ... and
Baycom ... on an> Artisoft Lantastic network.  We are running
386/40s with 4 meg> of RAM.>  >      I have friends spending
great gobs of money outfitting> their PCs with 16 meg of RAM and
more hard disk space so they> can run OS/2 to do the same danged
thing.  I have other friends> that have about worn out their
reset switches running Windows.> Why do they do this to
themselves?Don't know about those running Windows, but I can
tell you you wouldn't be asking about OS/2 if you had tried
it.Imagine this:  The handholding of Windows for those who want
it, plus:  The ability to multitask DOS programs much like
Desqview, but     without the preformance penalty that Desqview
has, plus  "Crash protection" -- if one task crashes, it does
_not_ bring down the      entire system, plus:  The ability for
one task to start another (VERY useful), plus:  A true 32 bit
operating system for 32 bit machines.You have just imagined OS/2
2.  True, OS/2 does require more resources than MS-DOS does, but
then, OS/2 does more than MS-DOS.  The term DOS is an acronym
for Disk Operating System; which means that it's little more
than a device driver for the disk system.  Back when computer
systems had only 64K of memory, the ability to have the DOS use
4K was paramount.  Now, when 8 meg costs as much (if not less)
than 64K did back then, the amount of space taken by the
operating system isn't as critical.Besides, you haven't seen
resource demands until you've seen Windows
NT.------------------------------Date: 2 Dec 92 18:49:31
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Clarkson Packet
Driver for DEC DEPCA Etherworks CardTo: [e-mail]
am having trouble loading the DEPCA Clarkson Driver.  I can
execute itand it returns the address that it was loaded to, but
NOS gives an errorthat there is no packet driver loaded at the
given interupt.  I have alsochecked it with the pktchk.com
utility that comes with the DRIVERS.ZIP fileand it returns a
message stating that no driver was found.  TheMANIFEST.DOC
states there should be a file in the .ZIP called DEPCA.NOTthat
has notes as to compatability with various DEPCA cards but
thisfile was not included with what I received.  I got the
DRIVERS.ZIP filefrom one of the SIMTEL mirror sites.  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.Ron -
KA5LUG-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------Ron Wright - KA5LUG                Internet:
[e-mail] Support Specialist
[e-mail] State University     Natchitoches,
LA  71497(318) 357-5594                     Packet:
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Date: 2 Dec 92 16:40:40 GMTFrom:
psinntp!lupine!hansen1![e-mail]: Does anyone
have PACTOR?To: [e-mail] have been hearing some
interesting things on the HF bands over the last few weeks.  It
sounds sort of like a cross between packet and AMTOR.
Thisreminded me of PACTOR discussions I heard some time ago.I
have the following questions:1) Was this PACTOR?2) Have any of
the companies decided to add support for PACTOR (AEA,
KANTRONICS, etc.)?Thanks in advance, Philde
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Wed, 2 Dec
1992 13:38:57 GMTFrom:
mcsun!Germany.EU.net!rrz.uni-koeln.de!unidui!math.fu-berlin.de!ne
ws.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!ifsws1.sozialforschung.uni-stu
ttgart.de![e-mail]: G8BPQ 4.06 or higher
wantedTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Thomas Planke) writes:>Hello,>I
look for the G8BPQ-Software 4.06 or higher.>Please tell me if
you where a ftp-server with that software is>or what the recent
version is.>>Thank you in advance>Thomas>--
>+---------------------------------------------------------------
-------------+>| Thomas Planke
[e-mail] |>| - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|>| Technical
University Ilmenau                       Phone: [phone]
|>| Dept. of Automation and Systems Engineering        Fax:
+49 3677/69-1446 |>| PF 327,Am Ehrenberg,D-O6300 Ilmenau,Germany
                               |>| - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|>|
                       (PacketRadio:
[e-mail])|>+----------------------------------------
------------------------------------+>Try anonymous ftp to
ifsws1.sozialforschung.uni-stuttgart.de 141.58.162.1
/pub/g8bpqortomcat.gsfc.nasa.goc 128.183.10.100 /g8bpq (login
anonymous,                        password amateur)73 Frank-- Frank Grossmann
(DL1SBR)Internet:
[e-mail] Radio:
[e-mail] University, institute for social
research------------------------------Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992
14:26:34 GMTFrom:
mcsun!Germany.EU.net!news.netmbx.de!mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE!math.fu
-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!ifsws1.sozialfors
chung.uni-stuttgart.de![e-mail]: G8BPQ 4.06 or
higher wantedTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Thomas Planke) writes:>Hello,>I
look for the G8BPQ-Software 4.06 or higher.>Please tell me if
you where a ftp-server with that software is>or what the recent
version is.>>Thank you in advance>Thomas>--
>+---------------------------------------------------------------
-------------+>| Thomas Planke
[e-mail] |>| - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|>| Technical
University Ilmenau                       Phone: [phone]
|>| Dept. of Automation and Systems Engineering        Fax:
+49 3677/69-1446 |>| PF 327,Am Ehrenberg,D-O6300 Ilmenau,Germany
                               |>| - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|>|
                       (PacketRadio:
[e-mail])|>+----------------------------------------
------------------------------------+>Try anonymous ftp to
ifsws1.sozialforschung.uni-stuttgart.de 141.58.162.1
/pub/g8bpqortomcat.gsfc.nasa.goc 128.183.10.100 /g8bpq (login
anonymous,                        password amateur)73 Frank-- Frank Grossmann
(DL1SBR)Internet:
[e-mail] Radio:
[e-mail] University, institute for social
research------------------------------Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92
21:37:58 MSTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!
stat![e-mail]: Internet <==> PacketTo:
[e-mail]@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
writes:> If I know the names of the machines that I want to send
someone a note  > through, can I send it to an internet address
and have it bridged over to  > packet?  Or is there a way for
someone on packet to send me a message on the > internet?
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[phone]      Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD
FidoNet=> 1:114/15                Amateur Packet ax25:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 2 Dec
92 17:31:07 GMTFrom: [e-mail]:
Katronics KPC-3To: [e-mail]'m thinking of getting
into packet radio and I've been eyeing the KPC-3because of it's
small size and low power consumption.  Are there any features
Ishould be looking for in a TNC?Thanks,Dan
N2PKE------------------------------Date: 2 Dec 92 21:46:40
GMTFrom:
olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea![e-mail]:
Katronics KPC-3To: [e-mail] D> From:
[e-mail] D> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
D> Are there any features I D> should be looking for in a
TNC?Sure I think upward 9600 compatability and price. The 3 has
a good price and isa foxy unit and I don't know about its
ability to use the standard header andgo up in speed.Jay Ws7i *
Origin: Think Tank II * FX BBS * Spokane, WA [phone]
(1:346/8)------------------------------Date: 30 Nov 92 19:38:06
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Packet and OS/2
help!To: [e-mail] I was going to
say:Apologies for playing the ploiceman but the protocol isn't
irrelevant. One of the (slightly silly IMHO) rules from the FCC
is all packet work MUST use AX25 as the link layer on the air.
Its a shame because doing what you suggest is kindof
interesting!But I read part 97 again and changed my
mind!Rereading the relevant section 97.109(e) my reading of it
seems to ONLY pertain to "automatically controlled" stations,
that is stations retransmitting third party communications
without a control operator being present. If both ends of the
link have a control op and are not retransmitting third-party
communications, then its allowed. So do it! And don't ask the
FCC for calrification (they make some stupid decision!).But
beware of your bandwidth (if these things are running at
10Mbps).Let me know how it works.Comments?73 de Kevin Purcell
N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          [e-mail] your
interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from
you.QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread
Spectrum, Homebrew,Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation,
VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave,
QEX------------------------------Date: 3 Dec 92 05:38:47
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Packet RadioTo:
[e-mail],    Im very interested in some
information on packet radio. Inparticular, gateways into the
Internet and satellites in SouthernCalifornia. Any information
would be welcome. Thanks ! ------------------------------Date: 2
Dec 92 21:38:20 GMTFrom:
olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea![e-mail]:
PK232 and OUTBOARD AUDIO FILTERSTo: [e-mail] S,V>
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail] , VY2DCS) S,V> Newsgroups:
rec.radio.amateur.packet S,V> I have a PK232 MBX which I am now
operating using FSK as well as S,V> AFSK to drive a TS 690S via
the ACC2. It works well on both modes. S,V> I now have a
question about improving the reception abilities of  S,V> the
232 using a 170 Hz shift filter system outside of the 232. I
S,V> was once told that you could put a 170 Hz filter in an
audio line The place to filter the PK232 is in its own internal
passband filters and AEAhas a Mod kit available (no charge)
request AMtor Kit.  It changes the passbandof the PK232.  You
might also refer to the RTTY Journal November 1992 issue forsome
further details of improving the PK232.If you are optimizing for
170 Hz Baudot then you will eliminating somecapability of the
other modes and in particular packet.  The PK232 is also a200 Hz
shift device.I have used and compared external units to the
PK232. You can add a completeseperate terminal unit and drive it
quite well.  Currently we use the Dovetronwhich regens RTTY and
feeds the PK232.IF filtration in the radio is what helps more
than anything else. I use 250 HzCW filters in the Icom 751 which
great luck on RTTY.  On Amtor they are a bitto narrow. 500 Hz
seem to perform better.The PK232 works quite well with narrow CW
filters and with the Amtor mod Ican't find much difference when
compared to a ST-6000 Hal Unit which wasoptimized by Hal
Communications as a test standard at 45 baud and 170 Hz. TheHal
copies the real weak polar signals slightly better.Jay Ws7i *
Origin: Think Tank II * FX BBS * Spokane, WA [phone]
(1:346/8)------------------------------Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992
17:38:27 GMTFrom: admiral![e-mail]: TCP/IP Cord.
for ConnecticutTo: [e-mail]@uu2.psi.COM
(Nicholas Palomba, Crystal Computer Systems Inc.) writes:> Could
someone please tell me who the Connecticut Cord. for the TCP/IP
> network. I would like to get an address.> > -Nick KA1NIP> >
***Still waiting for my new call> Nick, The tcpip coordinator
for CT is Jon Bloom, KE3Z. He works for theARRL in Newington.
Suggest you call him there. If by chance you're innorthern CT,
try Brian, ka1jy. Our state has two subnets at present, sothere
are two coordinators. If you need further information please
ask.I run a tcpip voice discussion net every Tuesday night on
the PortJefferson, LI repeater, 145.15 -.600 (no pl during net
time) which isalso carried on k1dr/r 146.475 + 1.00 w/100Hz
tone. K1dr/r is in New Canaan, CT. Both repeaters have excellent
coverage. Perhaps you might want to stop by some Tuesday night
(at 8:00pm). 73Jess  ND1L   44.88.0.21 (tcpip) or [e-mail]
(ax25)[e-mail] (Jess Girard)
<yale!admiral!jess>The Admiral's Public UNIX - Greenwich, CT -
System Administrator: Doug Fields(HST/V32) [phone] --
(PEP/V32) -1279 -- (V32) -0450 -- (V29/MNP6) -2967>FREE!< Unix
shell accounts, Usenet access, and Internet-style mail
available------------------------------Date: 2 Dec 92 18:44:00
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: TheNET X1H
problemTo: [e-mail] problem has arisen at this
location when trying to use TheNET X1H.ARP and IP router
functions either don't respond or respond with packetsthat
contain binary trash.  PING to the router also fails.Tests with
X1G work correctly.  All nodes involved in the test
haveparameters identical to those used with the X1H firmware
when itfailed.Are there possibly some parameter settings that
need to be examinedor changed to make things function properly
that weren't mentioned inthe documentation?  Has anyone else
experienced similar problems?Software used includes an 286 MSYS
1.13 node, a 386 and a Sun 4/75running GRI
1.7j.Reid------------------------------Date: 2 Dec 92 13:50:26
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Will someone PLEASE
HELP!!To: [e-mail]> Date: 30 Nov 92 19:45:57 GMT>
From: [e-mail]> Subject: Will someone PLEASE
HELP!!> To: [e-mail]>> I would really like someone
to help me with some advanced packet> questions!!>  Well, since
you have some knowledge of Packet Radio, is it possible for you
to tell me if there are any files out there that discuss packet.
 I would  like them to be ftpable.> Anyone Please, my Email
address is: [e-mail]>> -Nick KA1NIP>> ***Still waiting for
my new call>> ------------------------------> I am waiting for
my first call!!! It has been two months, now! Regards, dbs
[e-mail] HL9xx to
be!!------------------------------Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 16:18:32
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!news.utdallas.edu
!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!utcsri!newsflash.concordia.ca!sifon!C
C.UMontreal.CA![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <Radio>, <Information/Notes>,
<[e-mail]>c.Subject : Re: Packet Radio
Information/NotesIn article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:>In
<[e-mail]>, 1LT David Staggs
writes:...stuff deleted>>>Try the American Radio Relay League.
They have books and an online service>for requesting
information.  If you have trouble getting their address and or
>uucp e-mail address let me know and I will be glad to provide
it.  Regards, >Terry.Please post this
information.Thanks,Tim===========================================
===================================E-mail:
[e-mail]         Tim Littlejohn
                             Snail Mail: Departement de
biochimie        Phone: [phone]            Universite de
Montreal          Fax:   [phone]             C.P. 6128,
succursale A,            Montreal (Quebec), H3C 3J7
CANADA===========================================================
===================------------------------------Date: 30 Nov 92
13:52:34 GMTFrom:
olivea!pagesat!spssig.spss.com!news.oc.com!utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!r
icksys!lawton!red.uucp![e-mail]:
[e-mail] Packet, Radio,
Information/Notes.eduReply-To :
[e-mail] : Re: Packet Radio
Information/NotesIn <[e-mail]>, 1LT David
Staggs writes:>>>          Is there an anonymous FTP computer
out there that can give me more>  technical information about
Packet Radio?  I did notice that @UCSD.Edu has a>  directory
that has past issues of this Subscription.  I am stationed in
Korea>  (HL9 xxx tba,when I get my ticket!) and information is
very limited.  I have>  sent a book order to Uncle Waynes Books,
however, it has been almost 3 months>  and no books.  I>
finally got my ticket and would like to get involved in the
world of packet>  radio.  Any help would be appreciated.  No
call sign as of yet!!  I have been>  waiting for about 2 months
on it...>>  Regards,>  dbs>Try the American Radio Relay League.
They have books and an online servicefor requesting information.
 If you have trouble getting their address and or uucp e-mail
address let me know and I will be glad to provide it.  Regards,
Terry.-- DOMAIN: [e-mail] (Terrence R.
Redding)UUCP:   . . . !rwsys!lawton!red!terry (Terrence R.
Redding)PACKET:  WB5LMJ @ WB5MJS.OK.USA.NAVoice 405 536-8822,
Ben's Place (Benjamin Franklin) BBS 536-6988 9p to 6aPhD
candidate, University of Oklahoma in Adult and Higher
EducationEducational Advisor, American Radio Relay League221 SW
Crystal Hills Drive, Lawton, Oklahoma
73505------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #328******************************Date: Fri,  4 Dec 92
04:30:04 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #329To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Fri,
4 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  329Today's Topics:
     Baycom software in English please
BayPac TNC/Modem                  Does anyone have PACTOR? (2
msgs)                        Packet on landline bbs
          Packet Radio (2 msgs)                 Ramsey
Electronics Packet Interface                   repost of packet
radio overview                    rsgb gb2rs news  6th december
            TCP, High-speed packet, in S.F. Bay Area?
                   used tncSend Replies or notes for publication
to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 3 Dec 1992 22:50:57 CSTFrom:
ftpbox!mothost!schbbs!maccvm.corp.mot.com![e-mail]
ect: Baycom software in English pleaseTo: [e-mail]
recently received from an anonymous ftp site version 1.5 of the
Baycomsoftware for IBM compatibles.  The problem for me is that
the entire help fileis written in German. :-(Does anyone out
there in netland know where I can ftp an English version ofthis
software? Please provide the ftp site, directory path and
filename as Imust use an ftp mail server to receive files
through my company's mainframedue to security
firewalls.Thanks!Craig Witkowski, [e-mail]
 KA2IBVMotorola Communications & Electronics Inc.Glen Rock,
NJLet's Go
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MOTORSPORT!------------------------------Date: 3 Dec 92 14:01:11
GMTFrom:
olivea!charnel!sifon!clouso.crim.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!vaill
[e-mail]: BayPac TNC/ModemTo:
[e-mail] article
[e-mail], [e-mail]
(Joe Smooth) writes:>>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Clement Vaillancourt) writes:>>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet>   Path:
mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!think.com!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.ed
u!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!hobbit.ireq.h
ydro.qc.ca![e-mail]>   From:
[e-mail] (Clement Vaillancourt)>   Sender:
[e-mail] (Netnews Admin)>   Reply-To:
[e-mail] article
[e-mail], >   Organization:
Hydro-Quebec, Montreal, Canada>   References:
<[e-mail]>>   Date: Thu, 19 Nov
1992 13:23:00 GMT>   Lines: 22>>   [e-mail]
(Joe Smooth) writes:>   >Has anyone heard of the BayPac BP-1 or
something like that?>   >I saw it in the back of QEX magazine,
and it is supposed to>   >be a 1200 baud modem/TNC.. this thing
is SMALL (the size of>   >a RS232 converter plug), and only
costs $50.. Has anyone heard anything>   >about this? I figure I
should try to get some feedback on this>   >model before I buy
it.. It seems like a deal to me.. Thanks!>   >>   >            - Joe>   I
boutght one and it came with the Baycom 1.4 software. It works
fine.>   Yesterday I tried version 1.5a on it and it works very
well also.>>   I am using it with an old pc xt (Phillips). The
disadvantage of this setup is>   that you have to leave the pc
on all time if you want to receive mail.>   Clem.>>
----------->>Yeah i went ahead and bought one, and I love it!
Its the first time I got>to see packet in effect, and its
great.. >>I have two questions though:>>1) Where did you get
BayCom 1.5a?>>2) Is it possible to transfer ASCII or Binary
files over packet with BayCom?>>    Thanks.>>>      You can get the
1.5a software via ftp at:Host ucsd.edu    Location:
/hamradio/packet      DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x        512  Dec 25
17:38  baycomThe file transfer function in the baycom is not
compatible with the xmodem or yappor other protocols used in the
BBS in our area. In the baycom doc, they say it willdo file
transfer with bbs running Baycom software...? (none around
here...)---   Clement Vaillancourt,             |    Institut de
Recherche d'Hydro-Quebec   Analyste,                         |
 Varennes, P. Quebec, Canada, J3X 1S1   Division Informatique
scientifique| Tel:[phone] Fax:[phone]
[e-mail]          |  Radio-amateur:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 3 Dec
92 17:06:08 GMTFrom:
olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea![e-mail]:
Does anyone have PACTOR?To: [e-mail] it was
probably Pactor but also could have been Clover, both have
beenseen and heard on the bands.Kantronics has Pactor for the
KAM, a EPROM change.  AEA is working on it and Ibelieve has it
but I haven't seen it.Jay * Origin: Think Tank II * FX BBS *
Spokane, WA [phone]
(1:346/8)------------------------------Date: Thu, 03 Dec 92
20:58:57 MSTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stat![e-mail]
bject: Does anyone have PACTOR?To:
[e-mail]@hansen1.ncd.com (Phil Graham) writes:>
2) Have any of the companies decided to add support for PACTOR >
(AEA, KANTRONICS, etc.)?I just got notice in the mail today for
an upgrade to the KAM(Kantronics) for Pactor support.david
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[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Thu,
03 Dec 1992 11:30:38 -0600From:
sdd.hp.com!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!umeecs!umn.edu!uum1
!kksys.com!tdkt![e-mail]: Packet on
landline bbsTo: [e-mail]>      I wrote an article
in Radio Fun (November, 1992) that describes> the land-line port
we run on our Club PBBS.  It is open to ANYONE,> licensed or
not.  We hold any traffic from the annonymous check-in.> If we
can verify the traffic left by the unlicensed user, I change it>
to go out under my call as third party traffic.  (Some recently>
licensed Sysops have crabbed about such activities ...
apparently> never hearing of such things as third party or
NTS.)>      We have about fifty licensed people who use the
port.  Many new> RF packet operators have started on the
land-line port. Hi Steve,   I have packet access available to
users here in the HAMlink RBBS too.The way I am handling it here
is that everyone has read-only access to the PBBS area on the
landline BBS, but in order to send a message you must send a
copy of your license to me.  I keep that in file in case there
should be any trouble down the road.  Then I can show what the
user represented to me to be their license.  I never expect to
have any trouble with that, but these days you never can tell.
At the moment, I do not see anything wrong with what you are
doing. It sounds like you screen each message, so that it does
not hit the Amateur Packet network without being seen by you the
control operator.As long as there is good security in place,
there is no problem.   BTW, since Novices are using your station
they should be able to enter messages too.  How are you taking
care of that? 73, John Desmond  K0TG K0TG @ WB0GDB.MN.USA.NOAM
[e-mail] * Origin: HAM>link< RBBS
612/HAM-0000 Saint Paul, MN (K0TG)
(1:282/100)------------------------------Date: 3 Dec 92 23:00:46
GMTFrom:
olivea!charnel!sifon!CC.UMontreal.CA![e-mail]:
Packet RadioTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Dave L. Howard) writes:>Hello,    Im very
interested in some information on packet radio. In>particular,
gateways into the Internet and satellites in
Southern>California. Any information would be welcome. Thanks !
I have been watching this group for weeks and and surprised at
thenumber of requests for FAQs that have not been answered by
posting.Well, I did a Veronica search through gopher and have
identifiedmany gopher sites that have Packet Radio information
(including variousFAQs) available for us all.I am happy to point
anyone who is as ignorant and interested in Packet Radioas I am
to these sources.  I can forward or post this info if anyone
does not have gopher access, too.Can I ask the regular, long
term readers of this group why a FAQ hasn'tbeen posted in
response to these requests?  Is there a policy for thisgroup
which excludes posting of FAQs?  Or is it simply that everyone
assumes that someone else will do it?
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08:42:34 GMTFrom:
ogicse!flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!umn.edu!csus.edu!netc
om.com![e-mail]: Packet RadioTo:
[e-mail]    Although the keeper of the FAQ states that
it will be posted    monthly, I don't recall seeing it recently.
It's available    via ftp from
ftp.cs.buffalo.edu.------------------------------Date: 3 Dec 92
16:22:36 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Ramsey
Electronics Packet InterfaceTo: [e-mail]    I recently
heard about a Packet Controller sold by Ramsey Electronicsin
Victor NY.  The price of this item seems very reasonable.  I
calledthe company and after talking with a Technician there,
found that it waslittle more than a MODEM that connects between
the PC's serial port and the radio in/out puts.  It also comes
with software to do all the packet related things so the
computer is doing the packet work instead of a TNC.  This sounds
pretty good to me.  I wonder if any else has tried this device.
If so:    - How does it work?    - Does it support anything other than
1200 Baud?    - Will it work with any of the TCP/IP programs like
NET or NOS?I'd appreciate any response either to this digest or
direct to me.Thanks in advance.  73.Mark.  ke2wf/ae--Mark F.
MorgidaAsst Prof, US Military AcademyOIC - W2KGY, Cadet HAM Club
StationInternet:
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92 20:50:29 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!bu.edu!transfer.stratus.com!necis![e-mail]
ubject: repost of packet radio overviewTo:
[e-mail] has not peen posted in a while (sorry)
and there seems to have beena few recent questions that this
might help with.  I hope someone findsit useful:             An
Amateur Packet Radio Overview                   by                Rich Bono (NM1D)
    October, 1990                 (revision 1.2)  The following is the
result of a non-amateur asking some basic questions  about
amateur packet radio.  Several of us thought that this
information  would be useful to others who are interested in
amateur packet operations.   Thanks to Tim Dayger for asking the
right questions, and to Patty Winter   (N6BIS) for her editing
skills.  I hope that this will be of help to many  others.  You
may reproduce and distribute this as long as my credits remain.
   Rich Bono (NM1D)Our potential amateur packet radio operator
asks: I've used networks, on-line services, and bulletin board
systems (BBS) foryears, but I've never really paid much
attention to amateur packet radio.I'm starting from scratch, and
need to have some idea of where to begin. Just what IS amateur
packet radio?  Amateur packet radio is (yet another) digital
transmission method available  for use via amateur radio.  It
provides 'error free' transmission and  reception of messages
(information/data/etc.) between two stations.  This  error-free
capability is a prime consideration. Error free in this  context
does not mean that your typing or spelling mistakes will be
fixed,  but that all transmitted 'data' will be received 100%
intact, as sent.  In  fact, if the data cannot be delivered 100%
intact, the transmission is  eventually aborted and the user is
informed that there is no longer a  connection between the two
stations.  The 'packet' in 'packet radio' comes from the method
of transmitting your  information over the air.  Your data is
broken up into packets (or blocks)  that are transmitted.  Each
packet contains the sending and the receiving  station
call-signs and some optional routing information.  A packet can
contain from 0 to 256 data (or information) bytes.  The users
normally do  not need to be concerned with this 'packetizing' of
their messages.  Each  packet is sent and then acknowledged by
the receiver when received.  If a  packet is not received
correctly, then it is automatically re-transmitted  (up to a
maximum number of times).  You normally don't have to know about
 all this to use packet radio.  The 'packetizing' happens
automatically,  without any thought or actions required by you.
One of the more popular protocols used for amateur packet radio
is known as  AX.25.  This is somewhat similar to the commercial
X.25 standard.  There is  also a growing TCP/IP user base.  If
you are not network oriented, then the  details of these
protocols are not important to you as an operator of a  packet
radio station.  Be aware that most packet radio operation at
this time is at 1200 baud.   This will seem slow when compared
to what it happening on networks, and on  telephone BBSs....
but what is gained is world-wide access, for NO COST.   Once you
have your equipment, and your license, there are no fees (except
 for the electricity that your computer and other equipment
use).  There are  a growing number of amateurs who are
experimenting with 2400 and even 9600  (or higher) baud
operation, so it shouldn't be too long before these faster
rates become very popular!What kind of equipment do I need, and
how do I use it with my PC?  Since you own a PC, you already own
the most expensive part of an amateur  packet radio station.
The other piece of equipment that you need is the  TNC (terminal
node controller).  The TNC contains all the software and
special hardware that you need.  It actually contains the modem
(to  interface with your radio) and (usually) a microprocessor
with the packet  software contained in EPROM.  You interface
your PC (or even a simple dumb  ASCII terminal) with the TNC via
serial RS-232.  Use your favorite terminal  emulation software
on your PC (the same software that you use with your  telephone
modem will probably work fine).  This is just as easy as
connecting  your computer to a modem.  If you don't want to use
the serial port of your  computer, there are TNCs available that
will plug directly into the bus.   If you don't have a PC
(personal computer), then almost any RS-232 ASCII  terminal will
work with most of todays TNCs.  The most popular packet
frequencies in the USA are in the two-meter band  (144-148 MHz).
 Check out the following frequencies (they may be different  in
your area; ask a local amateur if you don't hear anything).
Even  the typical 'police scanner' can be used to listen to
these frequencies:       145.01, 145.03, 145.05, 145.07, 145.09
MHz        If the above are busy, many areas also use:       144.91,
144.93, 144.95, 144.97, 144.99 MHz  Yes, this is with an average
FM transceiver set for SIMPLEX operation  (transmitting and
receiving on the same frequency).  If there are packet radio
transmissions you should hear a sound like:
BBBBbbbbbrrrrraaaaaaapppppppHow much technical or hardware
proficiency is required to use a packet radiosystem?  If you can
plug an RS-232 cable into a modem, and wire the TNC to your
radio, then you have all the ability that you need.  I am sure
that there  are hams in your area who would be glad to help you
if you are not  comfortable with wiring a microphone connector.
Most TNCs connect to the  microphone plug of an FM transceiver,
normally only needing push-to-talk and  transmit audio
connections, and a connection to the speaker audio output  from
the FM receiver.  This consists of about five wires, and can
usually  be done without removing the covers of the radio (these
are normally  external connections).  Installation really is
very simple, and once it is done, there is virtually  no
maintenance.  Just plug in your TNC in place of your microphone
and  external speaker, and you're on the air...  to return to
voice  operation, plug in your microphone.  If you like, build a
simple switch box  to allow easy changing between your TNC and
voice operation.  I don't  recommend it, but some people wire
the TNC and microphone in parallel, so  that they don't need to
change the plugs, or switch anything at all.What's out there for
me to access via packet radio and what potential isthere for
growth?  This is the interesting part!  I believe that packet
radio is still in  its infancy.  It seems like every day a new
application for packet radio  is announced...  some are good
ideas...  others not.  By the time you  read this, a lot of the
information presented here will probably be out  of date; yes
this technology is progressing!!!  Here is a *simple* list that
barely highlights some of the available uses of  amateur packet
radio..  I am SURE that I have forgotten something and left  it
off the list:  EMAIL:      At this time we have world-wide email
(electronic mail) distribution.    I personally have received email
from a few continents, and from all    over the USA. Of course,
this is limited by the amateur radio rules and    regulations, so
there cannot be any commercial messages.  Local networks:    Here
in New England we have connectivity over most of the region.
I    can connect to other stations from the following areas
consistently:    Canada (Montreal), Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine,
Connecticut,    Massachusetts, Rhode Island and New Y ork.

 I should note that I am    located about 10 miles north of the
MA/NH border (in Derry, NH).    Of course, on the HF (high
frequency) bands there can be world-wide     connectivity,
depending on many factors.  PacketCluster-DX spotting:    This is a
specialized system that allows a couple of hundred users to    be
connected to the same system at one time.  It is used by
those    amateur operators who seek contacts with rare stations
throughout the    world.  When any one user 'finds' a rare station
on the air, he    simply types the information (call-sign,
frequency and mode) into his    terminal, and within a minute or
so, all of the other users are    informed of the rare station!!!
So-called "DXers" (people who like to    hunt these rare stations)
LOVE this system.  These users can be spread    over a wide area.
Our local packet cluster system has connectees     from Maine to
New York.  DOSGATE:    A system that allows you to execute programs
remotely.  A DOSGATE    system may have many programs for you to
use over the air.  You    don't need to download the programs to
use them; you are actually    running programs remotely.  DOSGATE
allows those who don't have a    computer to run programs via
packet radio.    For example, my DOSGATE system has the following
programs available     for use by remote packet users:       AUTOEXAM:
Take sample amateur exams from Novice to Extra. You can        use
AUTOEXAM as a study guide, or to see if you are ready for        a
certain license exam.       SeeSats: Real time satellite tracking.
Informs you of where the        current OSCAR (and other) satellites
are located.       AUTOCALL:  On-line amateur radio USA call-sign
lookup database.        Simply enter the call-sign of any amateur
radio operator in        the USA and it will print out the name,
address, license class        and previous call-sign (if any).
GAMES:  Several adventure-style games that can be played
on-line.       Repeater database:  A database of many of the
repeaters in the area.  Gateways:    Even though you may not own
any HF or UHF equipment (many packet    radio operators only use a
simple hand-held VHF transceiver), you can    gain access to other
bands and operating modes by using a gateway.  A    gateway allows
connectivity between two normally non-connectable    communication
technologies.    In many areas not only are there major BBSs on the
standard two-    meter Technician class frequencies and the 222 MHz
Novice class    sub-band, but there are cross-band gateways
available as well.  A    Novice on the 222 MHz band can connect to
a station on the 145 MHz    band by going through a gateway and be
able to communicate with    many other amateurs.  Public
Service:    Many packet stations are used to help out with sending
messages    during disasters.  Amateur radio operators help out
whenever they    can, and many hams have their packet stations
ready for portable    operation to help when needed.  There are
many training exercises    during each year to help practice and
test the readiness of the    emergency stations.  OSCAR
Satellites:    OSCAR stands for Orbital Satellites Carrying Amateur
Radio.  We have    our OWN satellites in orbit that are dedicated
for amateur radio use.     There are some satellites that are
dedicated to packet radio    (sometimes called "PACSATS").  These
are for 'store-and-forward'    operations to help distribute packet
traffic around the world.  Bulletin boards:       These carry
postings similar to the stuff on Usenet (or telephone
BBSs) and often have archives of useful files (such as local ham
      license testing sites).  These are usually the same packet
nodes that       transport email.  File transfers:       Better
at 56 Kbaud (as some hams are doing), but feasible at 1200
baud.  On TCP/IP, you just start it and forget it, so you can do
it        overnight or at some other time when you don't care
whether it takes a       while.  Databases:       In some areas
there are HAZMAT (hazardous materials), call-sign,       and
repeater databases accessible via the network.
Station-Station:    I almost forgot..  many people simply enjoy
chatting with their    neighbors....  This could be with people
across the street...  or in    the next state...  or half-way
around the world!  I am sure that I have missed something.  You
asked about potential...  as I  mentioned at the beginning, we
are just getting started!!!  Many people are  just finding out
about packet radio.  I believe that the only limitation is  our
imagination!! We could have a world-wide network (we do
currently have  a 'slow-speed' world-wide network) in the near
future...  It just takes a  little imagination...How much will a
packet radio set-up cost me? How COST EFFECTIVE is packetradio?
Well, if you own the PC already...  TNCs can be purchased from
about  $120.00 on up.  There are a few for less money, and
several that provide  for operating on many digital modes in
addition to packet radio (i.e., the  Kantronix KAM will provide
for packet (HF:300 baud/VHF:1200 baud), AMTOR,  RTTY, ASCII,
NAVTEX, WEFAX, CW (Morse code),...).  If you already own an
amateur FM transceiver (or an HF SSB transceiver) then  you have
all the equipment needed.  If not, a two-meter FM transceiver
can  be purchased for used from $100-250.00, new from $300.00 on
up.   Cost effective....  Hmmm, well first be aware that amateur
radio cannot be  used for any commercial or business purposes...
 But where else can one get  hours (years) of enjoyment and
service out of $470.00 ($350 for a radio and  $120 for a TNC,
assuming you already have the computer or terminal).  Note:
This stuff can be contagious....  be forewarned!!What legal
issues do I need to consider regarding packet radio? Do I need
alicense?  Yes, you need a valid amateur radio license.  There
is (in the southern New  Hampshire area) packet radio activity
on the Novice bands.  But if you want  access to the mainstream
of packet radio, you will want at least a  Technician amateur
radio license. (Although, as mentioned earlier, some  areas have
an active packet radio network that is accessible with the
Novice amateur radio license.)I've tried reading about amateur
packet radio, but a lot of it is Greek to me.Please suggest some
reading materials such as books and magazines that mycampus or
local libraries might carry.  There are a few books, etc...  but
I have found that most assume that you  already know about
amateur radio.  You need to find what we call (ready for
another term?) an "Elmer".  An "Elmer" is a friendly, helping
amateur radio  operator who will take you under his/her wing to
help and guide you as much  as you need.  I hope that you can
find someone to help you...  it takes a  special kind of person
to be an 'Elmer' (gosh I hate that term).  Good luck with your
packet radio activities.  If you find this informationhelpful, I
would be glad to hear from you....  How?  Simply send me a
messagevia the amateur packet network, [e-mail]
from anywhere in theworld!--
/****************************************************************
**********\ * Rich Bono                     IMRICH
UUCP:[e-mail] *  * [phone]
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**********/------------------------------Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992
11:15:38 +0000From:
pipex!demon!tedb.demon.co.uk![e-mail]: rsgb gb2rs
news  6th decemberTo: [e-mail] morning. It's
Sunday the 6th of December and here is the GB2RS newsbroadcast,
prepared by the Radio Society of Great Britain.First the
headlines:- Three new countries have been added to the DXCC
list;the Radiocommunications Agency have released details of two
successfulprosecutions and we have the latest news of the South
Pole expedition.The ARRL Awards Committee has announced that
Croatia, Slovenia andBosnia-Hercegovina have been added to DXCC
Countries List. Croatia now 9A butformerly YU2, and Slovenia now
S5 formerly YU3, are added for contacts madeafter the 25th of
May 1991. Bosnia-Hercegovina now 4N4 formerly YU4 is addedfor
contacts made after the 14th of October 1991. The DXCC Desk will
acceptcards received at ARRL Headquarters after the 1st of
January 1993, but anyreceived before the 1st will be returned
without action.Last week the Radiocommunications Agency released
details of two successfulprosecutions against people who abuse
amateur radio. At Sale Magistrates Courton the 29th of May 1992,
two radio amateurs were convicted under Section 1 (1)of the
Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949, having pleaded guilty to charges
of usingradio apparatus other than in accordance with a licence.
The defendants wereconditionally discharged and ordered to pay
costs of 112 each. All equipmentwas forfeited.The Pentland South
Pole Expedition is progressing well. The position of SirRanulph
Fiennes and Dr Mike Stroud by Monday the 30th was 81 degrees 15
minsSouth, 39 degrees 55 mins West. They are now off the
Filshner Ice Shelf and onland, but the going is very hard due to
sustrugi - wind compressed snow ridges- which can be up to 3 to
4 feet high. They are walking about ten miles perday, and are on
schedule. They are now experiencing 24 hour sunlight. On
thecommunications side, Morag, GM0MUV, has been using her
VP8/GB4MSS call to talkto amateurs, but contact has been very
difficult this week, due to themagnetic field and 24 hour
sunlight conditions. However, due to eveningsporadic E openings
contact is irregular but possible. Her communication withthe
walkers is, however, excellent and the comms link is working
well.The RSGB Mencap Albania Appeal, which was launched in April
1992, has nowclosed having raised some 4,500. Competition
winners will be notified verysoon and full details will appear
in January's Radio Communication.Now some items of HF DX news
from the weekly RSGB DX News Sheet which isedited by Brendan
McCartney, G4DYO. From the Ivory Coast, OH8SR will signTU4SR
from now, until Monday the 21st of December, mainly on the WARC
bands,and on CW. From Haiti, HH2PK is often active on 160 metres
from 0100 to0300GMT on 1825kHz, CW or 1842kHz, SSB. From
Martinique, FB1MUX will signFM2GO until Monday the 7th of
December. This is the first use of the FM2prefix. From Ogasawara
Island, JA5AUC, JA5IGK and JA5JFB will append /JD1 fromFriday
the 11th, to Sunday the 13th of December on all bands.Rally news
now and we know of no rally scheduled for this weekend, but
thereare three events that we know of for next Sunday, the
13th:The Centre of England Christmas Radio, Computer,
Electronics andCommunications Rally is to be held at the
National Motorcycle Museum, near theNational Exhibition Centre,
Birmingham. Take junction 6 off the M42 motorway.Doors open at
11.00am or 10.30 for disabled visitors. There will be
tradestands and refreshments will be available. There is ample
car parking spaceand talk-in will be on channel S22. Further
details can be obtained fromFrank, G4UMF, by telephoning 0952
598173.The Leeds and District Amateur Radio Society Rally is to
be held at the PudseyCivic Centre, Dawsons Corner, Pudsey,
Leeds. The Centre is located near thejunction of the Leeds Outer
Ring road with the Bradford road. Doors open at10.45am and there
will be all the usual facilities. Further details can beobtained
from John, G0FWP, by telephoning 0532 589652.The Verulam Amateur
Radio Club's Christmas Rally is to be held at theUniversity of
Hertfordshire. Formerly the Hatfield Polytechnic, located
justoff the A1(M)/A414 South of the Hatfield tunnel. Doors open
at 11.00am. Therewill be the usual trade stands and a bring and
buy stall.Contest news now:Today, Sunday the 6th of December,
there is the Independent Finland 75 yearAnniversary Contest,
from 0000 to 2400. All bands 80 to 10 metres will beused,
excluding the WARC bands, on CW and SSB. See December's RadCom
page 15for further information. During next weekend there is the
ARRL 10 MetreContest, from 0000  on Saturday the 12th, to 2400
on Sunday the 13th. SeeDecember's RadCom page 15 for further
information. In December's RadCom onpage 62 the rules of the LF
Cumulative Contest 1993 differs from the HFContest Calendar. The
rules are correct and a new HF Contest Calendar,supplied by the
HF Contest Manager, will appear in January 1993 RadCom.Next some
VHF Contest news:The RSGB 144MHz AFS Fixed and SWL Contest takes
place today, Sunday the 6th,from 0900 to 1700GMT. See July
RadCom for further details. During tomorrowMonday the 7th, the
fifth and final leg of the RSGB's 1.3 and 2.3GHzCumulative
Contest takes place between 2030 to 2300GMT. See June RadCom
fordetails. The next RSGB 70, 144 and 432MHz Fixed Station
Contest is scheduledto run from Saturday the 26th, to Tuesday
the 29th of December. See JulyRadCom for further detailsAnd now
the solar factual data:The period 23rd to 29th November has seen
2 small M flares. The largest was onthe 23rd, an M4.4/SF, but
little came of it. Sunspot counts meaned about the140s, and the
solar flux levels averaged 161 units, with little variation
dayto day. The geomagnetic Ap index declined from very unsettled
levels of 35units on the 23rd, down to quiet levels by the 26th,
and averaged 11 units forthe period. The state has been nil,
nothing to report, throughout the period.The radio quality
indices have been above normal all the period with the
Tokyocircuit being up to excellent at times. The aa indices as
supplied by theBritish Geological Survey for the period 17th to
23rd November was generallyquiet, with daily averages of 21
nanoTeslas, about K3. The 23rd was the mostdisturbed day with
44.8 nanoTeslas, about K4.Now the ionospheric data for Central
France:The F2 daytime critical frequencies at Poitiers, as
reported by Meudon,averaged 11.4MHz. With the darkness hour lows
being 3.2MHz. There was a littlespread F and other phenomena
reported some days.Now the ionospheric data for the north:The F2
daytime critical frequencies at Ekaterinberg averaged 9.9MHz and
thedarkness hour lows 3.0MHz. There is still no news about when
the Lerwickionosonde will be operational, or how the repairs to
the Slough one isprogressing, but we have been assured that the
matters are in hand.And lastly the solar forecast:This week, the
quiet side of the sun will be looking our way,
geomagneticactivity is expected to be quiet all the week. Solar
flux levels are expectedto be about the 130s with MUFs during
day light being about 30MHz, anddarkness hour lows about 18MHz.
Generally HF bands conditions are expected tobe good.And that's
the end of the solar information.Finally in the main news, SSL,
has informed the Society that as of lastWednesday morning, the
latest callsigns issued were in the G0 S Sand G7 N X series, and
Novice calls in the 20 A E and 21 B H series.You're listening to
GB2RS, the news broadcasting service of the Radio Societyof
Great Britain, transmitting in the 80, 40, 6 and 2 metre
bands.------------------------------Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1992
21:01:23 GMTFrom:
pacbell.com!well!moon!pixar![e-mail]: TCP,
High-speed packet, in S.F. Bay Area?To:
[e-mail] message is distributed to "ca". If you
get it outside of California,I'm sorry.I now have a portable
packet system consisting of TI '286 laptop,two-band HT, and
BayCom modem.I'm thinking about installing a packet base system
using a '386 desktopand dedicated radio(s) and TNC(s). I'd like
to know what high-speed packetsystems are available to connect
to in the S.F. Bay area, and if I willget much use from a 9600,
19.2K, or 56K packet modem. I've been writing Unix device
drivers for about 10 years, and have administered systemsthat
are connected to the internet, so I don't expect
insurmountabletechnical challenges.Also, I'd like to connect
with anyone who has been working ondistributed
health-and-welfare databases for emergency work. This isone area
where 1200-baud packet could excel.                        Thanks!                        Bruce
Perens------------------------------Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 06:30:42
GMTFrom: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx![e-mail]:
used tncTo: [e-mail] would like to get a used tnc
for about $45 dollars.  Any ideas where tolook for one? Scott
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Worcester #:13872 Z:IO82VESubject: Standard for TNC/Radio cables
 I don't have direct access to the network, this is being
postedthrough a packet radio gateway.  There was reference to
COBRA radio interface recently.  This should be CAIRO ..
Communications Audio Interface forRemote Operations. The
original concept for this was to patchequipment together during
emergency operations. All operatorsin a group have standard
socket on the radio (or an externalbox with the socket), into
which extension audio cablescan be added, or loudspeakers,
headsets, foot switch, etc.It means you can quickly run a cable
from your car/automobilein to an emergency centre, without the
need initially of installing aerials.  The basic connections use
a 7 pin DIN audio connector.The microphone is taken as a
balanced pair from the socket at therig end. A four-core
individually screened cable is used.Connections (6) Secondary AF
feed            (1) Primary AF feed            (4) Push to talk
          (2) Screens            (5) Microphone (low)
(3) Microphone (high)            (7) Low power DC feedThe
isolated microphone connections are designated Mic high and Mic
low,they are NOT alternative impedances.  There is a small book
published with the full specification of theconnection
standards.73 Brian G8ASO @
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----------------------------------Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1992 15:14:14
GMTFrom: panix![e-mail]: 10 December meeting,
Northern NJTo: [e-mail] next meeting of the
Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society (RATS)is this coming
Thursday night.  The program includes a demonstration ofthe
latest packet application for the Mac by Mark Sproul, KB2ICI.
Thisis a packet channel activity monitoring program which has to
be seen tobe believed!RATS meets on the second Thursday of each
month at the Wendy's restaraunt(yes, really, Wendy's!) on Route
46 West in Little Falls, NJ.  This isa little west of where
Routes 3 and 46 merge.  People begin to arrive atabout 6:45 PM,
and the meeting program begins at 7:45 PM.  Informal talk-inis
on the 145.19 MHz (-600) K2AQG repeater in Montclair,
NJ.Questions can be directed to:Telephone: [phone]
    Nancy and Gordon Beattie, N2FWI and N2DSYTelephone:
718-956-0027              Andrew Funk, KB7UV   Packet:
kb7uv@kb7uv.#nli.ny.usa   Andrew Funk, KB7UV   Packet:
[e-mail]      RATS board of directors Internet:
[e-mail]           Andrew Funk, KB7UV      BBS:
718-956-7133              wait for the Login prompt!73,Andrew
Funk, KB7UVVice Chair, RATS--     Andrew Funk, KB7UV
        Internet: [e-mail]    ENG Editor/Microwave
             Packet: kb7uv@kb7uv.#nli.ny.usa    WCBS-TV Channel
2 News                      BBS:
718-956-7133------------------------------Date: 5 Dec 1992
04:00:37 -0600From:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!wyatt.ks
u.ksu.edu![e-mail]: BPQ 4.06 for the
DataEngine available via FTPTo: [e-mail]8BPQ
networking software for the Kantronics DataEngine (Version
4.06)is available on tomcat.gsfc.nasa.gov under the name:
/public/de406bpq.exeUntil Tom has the opportunity to clean up
the archive, ignore thepresence of /public/g8bpq/de406bpq.exe as
it is a mistake; I forgot touse BINARY mode when transferring
the first time.I have also placed de406bpq.exe in the incoming
directory of ucsd.edu.Hopefully it will be moved the the
hamradio/packet/g8bpq directorysoon.-Steve Schallehn  KB0AGD
Kansas State University------------------------------Date: 4 Dec
92 07:21:07 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Getting
On  High-Speed TCP/IPTo: [e-mail] have been
following the discussions on high speed (9600 bps and up)
tcp/ip networking with great interest.I would like to get
involved with this but I am having a hard time  finding out
exactly what it is people are doing, and what equipment  and
software they are using to do it.I am not all that interested in
plugging a 1200 baud packet modem in  order to achieve tty style
communications.I get the impression that there are people who
are doing much more  than that, ie running tcp/ip routers
(ka9q??) between their own wired  lans and the local packet
networks, and running smtp, ftp, telnetting  or rlogging into
bbs and other services, sharing local news through  running
public nntp servers.  Perhaps even running distributed
applications or databases???I also gather that people are
modifying their equipment, or using  video equipment, for high
speed, but there doesn't seem to be many  hams who are well
versed in this.I would like to jump into this head first, ie
gather what software I  need off the net, write what I can't
get, modify the equipment I  have, or build/buy what I need
etc...  Get it on the air and start  playing!Can someone give me
a quick rundown on what others are doing, and the  standards,
equipment, and software they are using???Thanks!BenPS:  I
already have a lan with a unix box and a spare 386 for running
pc based software, also some older 2M equipment that isn't doing
 anything.  So what I really need is the glue to put it
together.---- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - -     \|/        Ben Mehlman KB2ERP
Indigo..   ^   ^       Trirex Systems Inc         #   #
[e-mail]                   Indigoing..     @   \___/
     >NeXTMail Welcome<                           Indigone.- - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
-------------------------------Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 23:19:19
GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!cc.gatech.edu![e-mail]:
GRAPES 56K ModemTo: [e-mail] several people
have asked and I haven't seen a responsefrom GRAPES themselves,
here is the address I have for them:GRAPES Inc., P.O. Box 871,
Alpharetta, GA 30239-0871I think Doug, KD4NC is President. Kits
are $250.Enjoy,    haroldFORBES, HAROLD C.   N5JCMGeorgia Institute
of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332uucp:
...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!cc!haroldARPA:
[e-mail]               PACKET: N5JCM @
W4QO------------------------------Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1992 23:00:27
GMTFrom:
swrinde!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!m
agnus.acs.ohio-state.edu![e-mail]: ICOM
W2A & IC-2SRA Packet Connection AnswerTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jerry Bransford) writes:>
(statements about waiting 5 minutes on the phone with ICOM
deleted)Originally I had written out quite a large, detailed
flame about ICOM, and how they have the poorest service of ANY
company I have had to call before.I won't go into that, but it
has been since January or February that I called, and I am still
steamed about it.  Let's just say I was too harsh, so I
restarted my article.They make great equipment, but I will
probably avoid ever purchasing anything from them again because
of the experiences I had.  What a shame...5 minutes??? you are
lucky!  I spent around 45 minutes, and probably 85% of it on
hold.  Had to call about 5 or 6 times, talk to a ton of people
who didn't know what to do, then found one who did, only she
didn't do what she said she would, so I called back a week later
and told somebody else that I was being treated rudely and
inconsiderately (on hold for 15 minutes???  yes, I tried calling
back a number of times, but the "please hold, your call will be
answered in the order it was received" kept me on, only to find
out they were out to lunch!!)... blah blah blah...I do LOVE my
radio, but I pray I don't have to ever call them or deal with
them AGAIN!  JT------------------------------Date: 6 Dec 1992
04:41:19 -0600From:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!moe.ksu.
ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu![e-mail]:
Kantronics KPC-3To: [e-mail][e-mail]
writes:>I'm thinking of getting into packet radio and I've been
eyeing the KPC-3>because of it's small size and low power
consumption.  Are there any features I>should be looking for in
a TNC?The Kantronics BBS (913.842.4678) has an KPC-3 information
file calledKPC-3.INF.  I copied it below for everyone's
enjoyment.  Current listprice is $119.95 US.  Street prices are
below $110.00 US.  I have noaffiliation with Kantronics, but
know several people who work there.-Steve Schallehn KB0AGD
Kansas State University---------------(KPC-3.INF
Follows)--------KPC-3The KPC-3 is a small-sized, low power
Packet Communicator providing VHFpacket capability. The KPC-3
ships standard with 32K battery-backed RAM, andcan be expanded
to a maximum of 512K bytes.  The KPC-3 also includes
WEFAXreception (Weather Facsimile), Kiss Mode for TCP/IP, a
personal packetbulletin board system (PBBS), and the ability to
be a KA-NODE. KantronicsHost mode is fully implemented so you
can use your Host Master II+ softwareor other host software
written for our Host mode.The KPC-3 features a new two-level
command set. The NEWUSER command set hasonly 23 commands -
normally all you'll need to get started in packet radio.As you
progress, you can enable the full TERMINAL command set of over
130commands. The KPC-3 also comes with a Getting Started manual
and a completeReference Manual.In addition, the KPC-3 has room
inside the case to install a standard 9-volttransistor radio
battery to operate the unit portable. The KPC-3 requiresless
than 40 milliamps current and can be powered by 6-25 volts DC
through anexternal jack.The audio in, audio out, push-to-talk,
and ground of your radio are connectedto the KPC-3 through a
standard Kantronics DB-9 connector on the rear panel.Connection
to the computer is through a DB-25 connector on the rear
panel.In order to display WEFAX pictures your computer needs to
be running aprogram that understands how to receive the picture
information and displayit on the screen or printer.The personal
packet bulletin board system (PBBS) provides you the
capabilityof storing messages in your KPC-3 for your friends,
and letting them sendmessages to you, even when your computer is
turned off. Your PBBS can acceptmessages automatically forwarded
to you by full-service BBS systems, and caneven reverse forward
messages from your PBBS into the full-service system.The KA-NODE
allows the KPC-3 to be better than just a digipeater. Instead
ofjust repeating what it hears the KA-NODE will handle
acknowledgments betweenit and the end user, or another node.
This results in better thruput so thefrequency can be more fully
utilized.(c) Copyright 1989, Kantronics Co., Inc., All Rights
ReservedFeatures- VHF packet- WEFAX (Weather Facsimile
reception)- PBBS (Personal Packet Bulletin Board)- KA-NODE- Kiss
Mode for TCP/IP- Kantronics Host Mode- Full duplex capability-
Size: 0.8" x 5.2" x 5.2", Weight: 11 oz- Requires 6-25 VDC at <
40 ma- Includes DB-9 connector and backshell, 3 ft of 5
conductor shielded cable,     2.1 mm power jack- Technical help
is only a phone call awayOptions- Real-time clock- 128K static
RAM chip- Host Mode programs for PC compatibles, Commodore
64/128, and Macintosh- WEFAX programs for the PC compatibles,
Commodore 64/128, and Macintosh- Terminal programs for the PC
compatibles and Commodore
64/128------------------------------Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992
17:02:51 GMTFrom:
spsgate!mogate!newsgate![e-mail]: Katronics
KPC-3To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jay Townsend) writes:> ...>
Sure I think upward 9600 compatability and price. The 3 has a
good price  and is> a foxy unit and I don't know about its
ability to use the standard  header and> go up in speed.> ...I'm
not sure about the KPC-3 but the other Kantronics TNC's (KPC-2
and  KAM, at least) are not upgradable to 9600. Kantronics does
most of the  HDLC functions in software and the processor just
isn't fast enough to run  at 9600. I suspect the KPC-3 is the
same.If you want want to upgrade to 9600, look for a used PK-88
or MFJ 1270 for  good, cheap, upgradable units. They can be had
for $50-75 at swap meets.  Add a TAPR 9600 modem and you're in
business.73....    Mark
KG7JL------------------------------Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1992
02:01:25 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!wupost!udel!gvls1![e-mail]: Mail
Returned for VU2LBW [e-mail]:
[e-mail] to lucky bounces - So hopefully this
will reach you:Hi Lucky -Have been using PAX since you mailed it
to me.  GREAT PROGRAM!!Only one thing that I'd like to see - A
way to set an environmentvariable so that when I hot-key to PAX
from D:\WP51 or whateverdirectory that I'm in, the PAXCAP files
(save) and/or the sendfiles could be in another directory.  I
realize that the 'send'key allows me to specify disk and
directory, but the PAXCAP filesend up in whatever disk/directory
I'm in when I hot-key to PAX.Other than that -  Congratulations
to Raj on the BEST and SIMPLESTof the packet programs that I
have run across yet.---Ed Naratil
     (All standard disclaimers apply)Amateur Packet:
w3bnr@n3la.#epa.pa.usa.na
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 6
Dec 92 03:05:42 GMTFrom:
dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!gandalf.rutgers.edu![e-mail]
ubject: Satellite <--> Internet gateways ?To:
[e-mail] am interested to know if there are any
packet-satellite to internetgateways out there. I know of a few
that serve as gateways forminternet to regular land
packet-radio. But can one use those to putmessages on
satellites, for sending email half way across the world.Any help
will be greatly appreciated.RegardsAmar
Mahboob------------------------------Date: 5 Dec 1992 02:59:01
-0600From:
sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!wyatt.ksu.ks
u.edu![e-mail]: Where is the FAQ (WAS: Re:
Packet Radio)To: [e-mail]@ERE.UMontreal.CA
(Littlejohn Tim) writes:>Can I ask the regular, long term
readers of this group why a FAQ hasn't>been posted in response
to these requests?  Is there a policy for this>group which
excludes posting of FAQs?  Or is it simply that everyone
>assumes that someone else will do it?  :-)No and Yes. :-)The
packet radio FAQ was started 1 1/2 years ago by myself.  I
wrotetwo versions and posted them to the net.  As my schedule
got busier, Istopped posting the FAQ.  Eventually, a group of
users convinced me tostart posting the FAQ again and we started
an FAQ list([e-mail]) for the FAQ maintainers.
I even got alarge collection of new material to put in the next
FAQ revision.Unfortunately, I got busy again and had to ask
someone else to take theFAQ over.  Steve Watt KD6GGD
([e-mail]) offered to takeover the job of writing
the FAQ.  Currently, he is writing a new FAQ.Not wanting to step
on Steve's toes, I have not posted my old FAQ.As suggested by
another poster, my old FAQ can be found viaanonymous FTP at
ftp.cs.buffalo.edu as /pub/ham-radio/faq_packet.-Steve Schallehn
KB0AGD Kansas State UniversityPS: For those without FTP
abilities, the FAQ can be retrieved via mail.The following is
from the rec.radio.amateur.misc FAQ:    * Access to FTP archives
via electronic mail        ANY BITNET, EARN, or NorthNET site
can access the Princeton mail         server.  It will be most
efficient if you know the complete path        and filename for
anything you wish to transfer, but you can use         'cd' and
'ls -l' commands to move about and browse the remote site's
  directories.  The Archie database server may also be useful to
search        for files and their directory locations on FTP
sites around the world         (see below).  Please be patient
when using non-interactive mail         servers such as BITFTP
as each request may take several hours (or         longer) to be
fulfilled.         For access to the FTP server, send email to
[e-mail] (for         BITNET, EARN and NorthNET users
ONLY!).  Subject doesn't matter.          The text of the email
is the FTP commands one after another.  For         example,
suppose you wanted to access the FTP site lcs.mit.edu:
 FTP lcs.mit.edu            USER anonymous            PASS
yourname@yoursite      (not required)            ASCII
 CD telecom-archives            GET filenames            BYE
   A help file is available giving detailed instructions by
putting        the single word HELP into the text of the email.
      For nonBITNET users, there is also a FTPMAIL server at
    [e-mail] (16.1.0.1).  Commands include:  REPLY
        <mailaddr>, CONNECT [HOST [user [pass]]], ASCII, BINARY,
COMPRESS,         COMPACT, UUENCODE, BTOA, LS <directory>, DIR
<directory>, GET <file>,         QUIT, HELP.  Get the help file
for more information by sending mail         with the single
line "help".  The ftpmail site may complain if you try
try to get more than 1 file per email request.  Here is an
example of         a request:             reply
your_name@your_site            connect uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
  binary            uuencode            get
pub/ham-radio/Tech.v3.3.sit.hqx.Z            quit        A note
on the use of FTP mailservers:  If you want to use FTP
mailservers, like FTPMAIL, please be considerate of any systems
that        your mail must pass through.  The quickest way to
find yourself cut         off from the world is to make the
admins of sites that pass your mail        pass 60Mb of X11
graphics system source.  If you need large amounts        of
information from a mailserver, contact your admin for help -- it
        may already be available, or he may know a better way to
get it.------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #330******************************Date: Mon,  7 Dec 92
04:30:01 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #331To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
7 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  331Today's Topics:
   Is there any one out there in netland?
     James Eaton                  Kantronics KAM TNC new in box
$265                       Landline PBBS on L.I. NY
        Stupid questions (2 msgs)                    The header
censor is here!!!!Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 7 Dec 92 02:33:39 GMTFrom:
utcsri!torn!csd.unb.ca!news.ucs.mun.ca!morgan.ucs.mun.ca!dlawlor@
RUTGERS.EDUSubject: Is there any one out there in netland?To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (George William Slade)
writes:>Are the ham.radio newsgroups still active?  I was
looking for the ham-radio>swap group, but no one has posted
anything for quite a while.>>bill (n9kwl)I know that the
rec.radio.ameture. groups are very active.  I waschecking
rec.radio.ameteur.misc and there was almost 300 articles in
it.DougDoug Lawlor, vo1cmInternet: [e-mail] or
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 7 Dec
1992 01:01:51 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com![e-mail]: James
EatonTo: [e-mail] have just learned of the passing
of James Eaton.  Jim was the father ofPete Eaton, WB9FLW, one of
the early pioneers of amateur packet radio.  Pete's father, Jim,
was not a ham, but was vitally interested in TAPR and
thedevelopment of packet radio.  He was an active
behind-the-scenes supporter ofTAPR.  Jim built display equipment
for, and helped to work the TAPR booth atDayton for many
years.Hams who have been involved with packet since the 1980's
will be well aware ofthe selfless contributions that Pete Eaton,
WB9FLW, has made to the hobby.Memorial services for Mr. James
Eaton will be held Wednesday, 9 December, inDuquoin, IL.
Condolence notes may be sent to Pete, and his mother, at 35
Norspur, Route 4, Edwardsville, IL, 62025.posted on behalf of
Andy Freeborn, N0CCZ, past president of TAPRby Bdale Garbee,
N3EUA, past vice president of
TAPR------------------------------Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1992 17:06:57
GMTFrom: digex.com![e-mail]: Kantronics KAM TNC
new in box $265To: [e-mail]'m posting this the
same day I bought it at a hamfest in Largo, MD,since I realized
that I shouldn't have spent the money. It's the KAMall-mode
unit, with all the cables, adapters, manuals, original boxand
unwritten-on warranty registration card.$265 plus shipping. FIRM
(I've only had it about 45 minutes.) Guarenteedto sell it to you
if you commit. Contact me soon and I'll post itright out. - Gary
-- - Gary Goldberg [e-mail] Bowie, MD KA3ZYWAnd NO
organization to represent. ' ... Free, free at last ...'Info on
'The Simpsons'? Let me know.------------------------------Date:
Sun, 06 Dec 92 14:00:09 PSTFrom:
news.u.washington.edu!serval!wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu!97994779@beaver.c
s.washington.eduSubject: Landline PBBS on L.I. NYTo:
[e-mail] am looking for a landline PBBS on Long
Island. I do not have my license yet,but I ma just waiting for
the oppurtunity to take it. My only set back is thatI know even
if I got my license tomorrow, I wouldn't be bale to afford
aradio for quite some time. (I am a starving college student you
know) Thanks a lot for the information, I'd love ot get a taste
of PBBS!! PAT at WSU  ------------------------------Date: Sun, 6
Dec 1992 16:33:23 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!paladin.america
n.edu!news.univie.ac.@!hp4at!mcsun!news.funet.fi!ousrvr.oulu.fi!n
[e-mail]: Stupid questionsTo:
[e-mail]--     -Can standard modem terminal programs
talk to TNCs, since they're pluggedinto the serial port?  If so,
is the command protocol among different TNCs fairlystandard?    -I
started reading the docs on the KPC-3.  Does anybody know what
thetransfer rate (in BPS) is?        -There was mention of WEFAX
capability, as well as TCP/IP.         Does anybody know if the
required software exists for the         Amiga?--  Eric L. Beyer
Proud owner of his rusty A500  Paper pusher of Solaris
Devlopment Group  ([e-mail])
------------------------------Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1992 03:35:09
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!jm
[e-mail]: Stupid questionsTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Eric L.
Beyer) writes:>>-- >>    -Can standard modem terminal programs talk
to TNCs, since they're plugged>into the serial port?  yes>
 If so, is the command protocol among different TNCs
fairly>standard?yes.  Some manufacturers may have slight
variations in a few commands, but they are basically the
same.>    -I started reading the docs on the KPC-3.  Does anybody
know what the>transfer rate (in BPS) is?I imagine it is a 1200
baud modem.  But you can always psych yourself out and set ABAUD
to 9600 (the speed which the TNC and computer talk at),
regardless of the modem speed! ;)>        -There was mention of WEFAX
capability, as well as TCP/IP.>         Does anybody know if the
required software exists for the>         Amiga?Sorry, I don't know
about the amiga, although I do remember a thread a while back
about AmigaNOS.JT------------------------------Date: 6 Dec 92
17:54:25 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: The header
censor is here!!!!To: [e-mail] like we now
have an automatic header censor on the network.  Iam receiving
messages where it is obvious that the headers have beenrewritten
to match one author's idea of what they should look
like.Unfortunately, the coding job is imperfect and AA4RE based
BBS systemswill choke on the improper output of the "censor" as
well as beinghandicapped by the lack of information coded on
headers generated bythe "BB" code.The result is going to be
misaddressed messages and duplicate bulletins.I expect some
flame back from somebody saying my code isn't up tospec.
However, 1) my copy of the spec says mine is ok and,
moreimportantly, 2) the AA4RE version has been out there for 9
months andthis "censor" is very recent, I don't go along with
that reasoning.Roy, AA4RE------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #331******************************Date:
Tue,  8 Dec 92 04:30:03 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #332To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
8 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  332Today's Topics:
 Baycom software in English please (2 msgs)
        Catalogs?                Cheapest way to get on packet
(2 msgs)                       Does anyone have PACTOR?
        HAM Related BBS available for use
         help                     Internet acces in DFW area?
     Need help with Alinco DJ-580 / PacComm TINY-2 combo
   Request: Computing Network Conference summary?
       Thanks KAM TNC is sold.              Want 9th ARRL Comp.
Net. Conf Proceedings                Yeasu FT-23R Cable & Packet
Mac ModemSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 7 Dec 92 13:14:55 GMTFrom:
olivea!charnel!sifon!newsflash.concordia.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.
ca!barde![e-mail]: Baycom software in English
pleaseTo: [e-mail] article [e-mail],
[e-mail] (Craig Witkowski) writes:>I recently
received from an anonymous ftp site version 1.5 of the
Baycom>software for IBM compatibles.  The problem for me is that
the entire help file>is written in German. :-(>>Does anyone out
there in netland know where I can ftp an English version of>this
software? Please provide the ftp site, directory path and
filename as I>must use an ftp mail server to receive files
through my company's mainframe>due to security
firewalls.>Thanks!>>>Craig Witkowski, [e-mail]
     KA2IBV>Motorola Communications & Electronics Inc.>Glen
Rock,  NJ>>Let's Go
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ftp from:Host ucsd.edu    Location: /hamradio/packet
DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x        512  Dec 25 17:38  baycomI got mine
there in english.73 Clem.---   Clement Vaillancourt,
|    Institut de Recherche d'Hydro-Quebec   Analyste,
             |    Varennes, P. Quebec, Canada, J3X 1S1
Division Informatique scientifique| Tel:[phone] Fax:+1
514 652 8309   [e-mail]          |
Radio-amateur:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 7 Dec
92 11:30:16 GMTFrom: eram![e-mail]:
Baycom software in English pleaseTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Craig Witkowski) writes:| I recently
received from an anonymous ftp site version 1.5 of the Baycom|
software for IBM compatibles.  The problem for me is that the
entire help file| is written in German. :-(No no no!  What you
should've said was "... written in the German is.":-)-- Dave
Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @
[e-mail]
...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave------------------------------Date:
Mon, 7 Dec 1992 16:13:41 GMTFrom:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!ousrvr.oulu.fi![e-mail]:
Catalogs?To: [e-mail]-- Anybody know where I might
lay my hands on catalogs for Ham radiosused for packet and/or
TNCs?Much appreciated..--  Eric L. Beyer  Proud owner of his
rusty A500  Paper pusher of Solaris Devlopment Group
([e-mail]) ------------------------------Date: 7 Dec 92
20:15:09 GMTFrom:
olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!sage.cc.purd
ue.edu![e-mail]: Cheapest way to get on
PacketTo: [e-mail], actually, the question is a
little more involved. I am looking forsome information. First,
what is the cheapest route to go for a TNC for normal packet
use?Second, what about for TCP/IP use? I have heard that some
cheap TNC's won't do TCP/IP since they are software driven and
not hardware?Third, for a dedicated station, is Alinco's "Data
radio" any good andwill it to packet and tcp/ip? Are there other
people who make combinedTNC and radios?Lastly, what does it
take, equipment and radiowise, to do at least 9600bpsrather than
1200? I am told most people are running 1200bps and that thenext
step from 1200 is 9600. What will it take if one upgrades?This
information is to be presented to my group. I'd appreciate
yourinput as to the BEST way to go based on price,
upgradibility, etc. Weare trying to look at as many angles as
possible.Thankyou.--  Jonathan Bradshaw |
[e-mail] -or- [e-mail]
Packet: n9oxe@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na | Prodigy: XMSN02B |
(Os/2)(DOS)(Linux)  WNDU-AM/FM/TV South Bend, IN | Disclaimer
"My opinions are not my employers"  - "Busy life, not enough
time to look in the mirror." - Deborah Ann Gibson
-------------------------------Date: 7 Dec 92 22:31:00 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvmsb.cc.buffa
lo.edu![e-mail]: Cheapest way to get on
packetTo: [e-mail], I think you need to
give more information on:1) What computer are you using now? 2)
Are you willingto build the tnc, and radio?If you are using a
commodore 64 or commodore 128, you canuse Digicom software
($40), and if you are building yourown radio you can buy the kit
from Ramsey Electronics\own radio you can buy the kit from
Ramsey Electronicsfor $150-175 depending on whether you want
their kit.If you are using IBM compatible computers Baycom
andA&A Engineering on the west coast offer a board forpacket
$60-90 depending on whether you want them to buildit or not.If,
you don't want to build the radio I would considerRadio Shack's
2m radio (Suggested List price $260, I'vecalled my local R.S.
and they haven't dropped the pricefrom last year!)This is all
new equipment.  Used equipment, could cost whoknows?Danny
AndersonUniversity of Buffalo------------------------------Date:
Mon, 7 Dec 1992 15:48:41 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpcss01!hpcuhe!genem@network
.UCSD.EDUSubject: Does anyone have PACTOR?To:
[e-mail] an addition: The Kantronics upgrade is
$59.95 for KAM 5.0 users.They pay a royalty for the software. I
should have asked, but didnt't,what the price would be for <5.0
KAMs.+-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------------+|Gene Marshall                        /-/-/
      email: [e-mail] ||Hewlett Packard Co., MS 42UN
      |                  Tel: [phone] ||Software Technology
Division (SWT)     |                  Fax: [phone] ||11000
Wolfe Road                       |
[e-mail] ||Cupertino, CA 95014
/|\       Bay Area: 147.39+ / 223.96-
|+---------------------------------------------------------------
-------------+------------------------------Date: 5 Dec 92
23:19:04 +1700From:
sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!newsfeed.rice.edu!lub001.lamar.edu!l
[e-mail]: HAM Related BBS available for
useTo: [e-mail] those BBS users who are also
Amateur Radio Operators, there is availableHAM Related files and
information at the HAM Connection Server.  Other filesare
available for sysops of various software products.  The info is
as follows:System: The HAM ConnectionSysop: N5UYH Grady Data:
409-833-1795Hours of operation: 24 hours/ 7 days per week
Downloads on first call.Baud Rates:  1200-38400 Baud Hayes
Optima Smartmodem 9.6KB V.32BIS/ V.42BISModem was changed due to
a system crash and was down for 2 weeks for repair.This post was
also cross-posted to rec.radio.amateur.misc
andrec.radio.amateur.packet for all interested parties.  This
service is freeand I would appreciate any flames directed to
dev/null as they will not beanswered unless considered
constructive criticism.  All opinions are my
own.-------------------------------------------------------------
----------------Grady Laird (N5UYH)             |   Internet:
[e-mail] Office Box 11953           |
Relaynet:  Grady Laird in HAM ConferenceBeaumont, Texas 77710
       |   Ham Connection Server
409-833-1795-----------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------Date: 5
Dec 92 12:19:02 GMTFrom: [e-mail]:
helpTo: [e-mail]
HELPHELP------------------------------Date: 7 Dec 92 23:08:57
GMTFrom:
sgigate!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.
edu!linac!sunova!NewsWatcher![e-mail]: Internet
acces in DFW area?To: [e-mail] there a gateway
from 2m to the Internet in the Dallas Ft. Worth area?If yes,
please post freqs./repeaters.Thanks Frank,
KI5IC------------------------------Date: 7 Dec 92 16:36:20
GMTFrom:
concert!duke!news.duke.edu!ee.egr.duke.edu![e-mail]
: Need help with Alinco DJ-580 / PacComm TINY-2 comboTo:
[e-mail] seem to be having difficulty getting
transmit audio to work.Does anyone have experience with this
particular radio/TNC combination?My cables are wired correctly
as per the manual.  The TNC's analog loopbacktest works fine.
PTT activates correctly, but I can't seem to get any audioin the
transmitted signal.  Someone has suggested that I need a
resistor somewhere in the PTT/transmit-audio part of the cable.
Is this true?This packet beginner will greatly appreciate any
advice...   -joe73 de KD4LLV--                 You spend the
night            Like you were spending a dime
- Lyle LovettX-Spook-Fodder: CIA NSA FBI SBI Bush overthrow
uprise assasinate anarchy------------------------------Date: 7
Dec 1992 08:19:31 -0600From:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!goldwing.ksu.ks
u.edu![e-mail]: Request: Computing Network
Conference summary?To: [e-mail] anyone go to the
ARRL Computer Networking Conference?  I have not heard anything
at all about it this year.  -Steve Schallehn KB0AGD Kansas State
University------------------------------Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1992
13:41:24 GMTFrom: digex.com![e-mail]: Thanks KAM
TNC is sold.To: [e-mail]-- - Gary Goldberg
[e-mail] Bowie, MD KA3ZYWAnd NO organization to
represent. ' ... Free, free at last ...'Info on 'The Simpsons'?
Let me know.------------------------------Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1992
21:38:13 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!vlsi1![e-mail]
SD.EDUSubject: Want 9th ARRL Comp. Net. Conf ProceedingsTo:
[e-mail]  Does anyone have a copy of the 9th ARRL
computer networking conferenceproceedings that they don't want
anymore?+--------------------------------------------------------
-------+| Jim Van Peursem - Ph.D. Student - Ham Radio -> KE0PH
       || System Administrator - Digital Systems Design Lab
       || Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer
Engineering || Iowa State University - Ames, IA 50011
            || internet - [e-mail]
            ||          - [e-mail]

|+---------------------------------------------------------------
+------------------------------Date: 7 Dec 92 19:22:38 GMTFrom:
news.tek.com!tekig7![e-mail]: Yeasu FT-23R
Cable & Packet Mac ModemTo: [e-mail] need to
prepare a mic cable to connect my Yeasu FT-23R HT to my Packet
Mac Modem.  Does the Yeasu work more like a Kenwood, or an
Alinco?  Any help wouldbe appreciated.--Mike-- Michael A.
Gauland    [e-mail]  AA7JF            (503)
627-5067------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #332******************************Date: Wed,  9 Dec 92
04:30:03 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #333To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
9 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  333Today's Topics:
            Baycom & Windows 3.1                    Cheapest way
to get on Packet                       Does anyone have PACTOR?
            high-speed RF modems on half duplex links
      Just one more question..? (2 msgs)                    ka9q
based NOS under SCO-Unix                       Landline PBBS on
L.I. NY                         Macintosh HF Packet
       Need setup info for BPQ405E
PktWin-User gesucht            Request: Computing Network
Conference summary?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 8 Dec 92 12:27:48 GMTFrom:
psinntp!ncrlnk!ncrbeth![e-mail]: Baycom & Windows
3.1To: [e-mail] am running baycom on a 386-20
clone.  I have no problems with it workingfrom the DOS prompt,
but when I try to run it under Windows ver 3.1, it dosn't
receive.  It transmits OK, and if I jump out of Windows and go
tothe DOS prompt and start up baycom I can see the station I
tried to connectto sending me packets.Any Ideas?? 73'sAl-- |  Al
Wiemann    W3CE     |  PHONE       [phone]
 ||  System Administrator   |  VOICE PLUS  397-1000
         ||  NCR - FESC             |  FAX         [phone]
                 ||  Bethlehem, Pa          |  MAIL PLUS
[e-mail]
|------------------------------Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 15:57:43
GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv![e-mail].
EDUSubject: Cheapest way to get on PacketTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Jonathan Bradshaw) writes:>First, what is the cheapest route to
go for a TNC for normal packet use?>>Second, what about for
TCP/IP use? I have heard that some cheap TNC's >won't do TCP/IP
since they are software driven and not hardware?I'll answer
these two together. I recommend the MFJ1270B or the PacCommTiny
2 as the TNCs of choice. Both are a little over $100, with
theMFJ being slightly cheaper at $119. Both are derivatives of
the TAPR TNC2 so firmware revisions and hardware add ons work
without problems. Thelater versions of the firmware support
KISS, but I prefer to use theKISS only K3MC program burned into
my own ROM. This prevents the TNCfrom inadvertently dropping out
of KISS mode due to a power bump.Since they both have the TAPR
modem disconnect header, they accept9600 baud modems, satellite
PSK modems, and can be modified to drivea 56 kb GRAPES modem.
The Kantronics TNCs, while good products, usea different
processor so they can't take advantage of common
firmwareupgrades like The Net and can't use the widely available
aftermarketmodems without considerable modification due to the
lack of a disconnectheader. The software and modem systems work
at the lower speeds, buttie up the resources of your desktop
machine doing bit banging tasksbest offloaded on a dedicated
processor. Disk interrupts and the likecan corrupt packets by
disrupting the timing.>Third, for a dedicated station, is
Alinco's "Data radio" any good and>will it to packet and tcp/ip?
Are there other people who make combined>TNC and radios?The
Alinco radio is simply their 2 meter voice radio sans
microphone. It works fine for 1200 baud packet, but then so do
most 2 meter voice radios.>Lastly, what does it take, equipment
and radiowise, to do at least 9600bps>rather than 1200? I am
told most people are running 1200bps and that the>next step from
1200 is 9600. What will it take if one upgrades?9600 is the next
logical step up from 1200 baud. Kantronics has 2400baud modems,
but the improvement in thruput is a lot less than one
wouldexpect. In tests I've done, the improvement was only 13%
with the normalmix of packet traffic over 1200 baud. Half duplex
packet radio has characteristics that don't correspond well with
telephone modem experience.To do 9600 baud packet with voice
grade radios, you have to make a couple of modifications to the
radio. You should bypass the audiostages of the radio and inject
your packet signal directly into themodulator and extract the
signal directly out of the discriminator.The audio shaping done
in normal voice radios, and the lack of lowfrequency response,
will corrupt 9600 baud packets. There's alsoan issue of IF
bandwidth. Some commercial service radios are toonarrow or have
poor phase response across the passband. This cancause problems
at 9600 baud. It's not too difficult, but expect tohave to do
some surgery on your radio to use 9600 baud to besteffect. Add
in modem boards run around $90 for the common G3RUHdesign.19.2
kbaud is in some ways easier to do. You can use a KantronicsD4
radio as an RF modem. Simply feed the TTL level data from theTNC
modem disconnect directly to the radio and take it's TTL
outputdirectly to the TNC. This uses the radio as a raw FSK
system. Itworks fairly well. A data scrambler and a tracking
data detectorwould make the system more immune to drift, and a
modulation scheme more complex than raw FSK would occupy less
bandwidth, but it'll work as is. I think the D4 is in the $350
price class.When you reach 56 kb, voice radios are out of the
question. Youmust use a dedicated RF modem such as the GRAPES 56
KB system.It uses MSK modulation to present a narrow bandwidth
for the highdata rate, 1.2 Hz per baud. This means that a 56 kb
data streamcan fit in a 70 kHz spectrum. It includes a data
scrambler andtracking data detector to retain robust
characteristics in poorthermal environments. It can track drift
of up to 20 kHz. Thekit costs $250 and you need a transverter to
convert from it's28 MHz output to a UHF frequency where 56 kb is
legal here inthe US. We use Microwave Modules, SInclabs, or SSB
Electronicstransverters, but any linear transverter should work.
Costvaries from used MMTs at $150 to new SSB units at $750.
Apossible cheap solution is the transverter sold by Down
EastMicrowave. The kit is around $100. That would give a
totalkit price around $350. Note that the modem/transverter
*is*the radio so you don't need a separate radio to use
thissystem. That makes it cheaper than 1200 baud packet if
youhave to buy a voice radio for 1200 baud.>This information is
to be presented to my group. I'd appreciate your>input as to the
BEST way to go based on price, upgradibility, etc. We>are trying
to look at as many angles as possible.Start at 1200 baud with
the built in modem of a TAPR compatibleTNC and use existing
voice grade radios. This gets you startedwith a system that is
compatible with the majority of packetusers. As your need for
speed increases, add the 9600 baud modemsand modify your voice
radios, or jump to the Kantronics D4 orthe GRAPES kit. Note that
when you leave 1200 baud you are cuttingyourself off from the
majority of current packet users. Buy thefaster systems in pairs
so you'll have someone to contact.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 8 Dec 1992 06:26:25
-0600From:
usc!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!nemesis.ksu.ksu.edu!ne
[e-mail]: Does anyone have PACTOR?To:
[e-mail]@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Gene Marshall)
writes:>Just an addition: The Kantronics upgrade is $59.95 for
KAM 5.0 users.>They pay a royalty for the software. I should
have asked, but didnt't,>what the price would be for <5.0
KAMs.$79.95 for users below 5.0.  Save $10.00 from the cost of
separateVersion 5.00 ($30.00) and Version 6.00 ($59.95)
upgrades.  :-)-Steve Schallehn  KB0AGD Kansas State
University------------------------------Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992
19:03:56 GMTFrom: rit!isc-newsserver![e-mail] .edu

Subject: high-speed RF modems on half duplex linksTo:
[e-mail] have a datacomm question with regard to
high-speed modems like the GRAPES(56 kbps) design.  When it
comes to actual implementation, if you're usingthese modems for
high-speed point-to-point links, I can see where it'sworthwhile
to go to a fast modem.  However, it appears that most of
thehardware that supports these high-speed devices (including
the NOS driversthat support DMA) are half-duplex.Once you get
outside of the engineering labs and the text books, what isthe
real performance gain of high-speed modems in the CSMA
environment?Even if a radio takes 10 milliseconds to be on
frequency (FAST for hamequipment), it still takes a modem a
finite amount of time to acquirethe rx signal and then recover
clock.  If you are sending "typical" hampackets (let's say, for
the purpose of this discussion <1k), then youare sending for
less than 150 milliseconds at 56 kbps.  That's not verylong.
Can anybody quote how much time it takes for the modem clocks
tolock and be ready to send data, from the time the squelch
opens?Is the CSMA environment what these modems are designed
for, or are theyreally intended for point-to-point so-called
"backbone" links?Just trying to learn.Chris-- Christopher E.
Piggott, WZ2B
[e-mail]
       wz2b.ampr [44.69.0.1]Rochester Institute of Technology
           wz2b @ WB2PSI.#WNY.NY.USA.NAAmateur Radio Club K2GXT

[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Wed, 9
Dec 1992 02:07:29 GMTFrom:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!ousrvr.oulu.fi![e-mail]:
Just one more question..?To: [e-mail]--     Somebody
kindly sent me a telephone number for a companythat makes/sells
ham packet equipment.  Like a bonehead, I proceeded to lose the
message.  Could somebody provide me withsuch a telephone
number?    Much appreciated..--  Eric L. Beyer  Proud owner of his
rusty A500  Paper pusher of Solaris Devlopment Group
([e-mail])  ------------------------------Date: Wed, 9
Dec 1992 10:13:35 GMTFrom:
kronos.arc.nasa.gov!butch!netcomsv!netcom.com![e-mail]
ct: Just one more question..?To: [e-mail]    Why not
just get the FAQ from ftp.cs.buffalo.edu ?    (Or if you can't ftp,
write [e-mail])------------------------------Date:
Tue, 8 Dec 1992 10:42:47 GMTFrom:
mcsun!Germany.EU.net!news.Hamburg.Germany.EU.net![e-mail]
tSubject: ka9q based NOS under SCO-UnixTo:
[e-mail] world !I am looking for a ka9q based
NOS Version which isrunning under SCO-UNIX.If anyone has ported
it to SCO, please email me.Thanks,
Sven.------------------------------Date: 8 Dec 92 17:48:42
GMTFrom: panix![e-mail]: Landline PBBS on L.I.
NYTo: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:>I am looking for a landline
PBBS on Long Island. I do not have my license yet,>but I ma just
waiting for the oppurtunity to take it. My only set back is
that>I know even if I got my license tomorrow, I wouldn't be
bale to afford a>radio for quite some time. (I am a starving
college student you know)> >Thanks a lot for the information,
I'd love ot get a taste of PBBS!!> >PAT at WSU> As Queens is
physically part of Long Island (although politically part ofNew
York City) you might want to call my system.I operate a
multi-user PBBS which is accessible both over-the-air and
viatelephone.  The phone modem supports 1200 to 9600 (V.32) bps.
 When youcall please wait for the welcome screen before you
press any keys.... Evenpressing <Enter> can confuse the
system.the number is 718-956-7133.73, Andy --     Andrew Funk,
KB7UV                     Internet: [e-mail]    ENG
Editor/Microwave                     Packet:
kb7uv@kb7uv.#nli.ny.usa    WCBS-TV Channel 2 News
      BBS: 718-956-7133------------------------------Date: 8 Dec
92 21:06:11 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!ogicse!flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!gaia.uc
s.orst.edu![e-mail]: Macintosh HF PacketTo:
[e-mail] anyone provide information about Packet
TNC and other hardware thatworks on HF? Kits or prebuilt or even
schematics would be greatlyappreciated. I have a Kenwood TS
520S.Thanks,Monte OlsenN7FFO------------------------------Date:
8 Dec 1992 14:39:32 GMTFrom:
usc!news.bbn.com!news.bbn.com![e-mail]: Need
setup info for BPQ405ETo: [e-mail] need to setup a
communications channel running between 2 nos's each runningin
different desqview windows.  This is on a 80386DX at 33MHZ with
8MB ram.I don't want each nos talking out a com port with a null
modem between!I do want each nos talking to the packet driver
'nodedrv4' and that talkingto bpq!How do I setup the bpqcfg.txt
file?What are the parameters for nodedrv4?What are the
parameters in the nos startup file for the 'attach packet'
line?PS There will be no physical radio links in this
setup!!!73's N1MKG (Marty :-)------------------------------Date:
Tue, 8 Dec 1992 12:31:57 GMTFrom:
mcsun!Germany.EU.net!anl433![e-mail]:
PktWin-User gesuchtTo: [e-mail] OMs,ich habe
gerade auf einer CD-ROM (NetNews) das Packet-Radio-Programm
PktWinfuer MS-Windows 3.0 gefunden. Es stammt von G4YFE und ist
eine Alfa-Release.Gepostet wurde es in die Gruppe
rec.radio.amateur.packet.Hat jemand Erfahrungen damit
(Stabilitat usw.).Vy 73 de
Sven.+-----------------------+-----------------------------------
-------+| Sven Werner           | e-mail
[e-mail]  || Siemens AG
|------------------------------------------|| ANL A433-SZ
   | phone (voice)  [phone]          || Gruendlacher
Str. 248 |       (fax)    [phone] or 656   || W-8510
Fuerth-Bislohe |------------------------------------------||
   ============== | ham radio (tcp/ip) [e-mail] ||
      GERMANY        |           (ip)     [44.130.87.9]
||                       |           (box)
[e-mail]
|+-----------------------+---------------------------------------
---+------------------------------Date: 8 Dec 92 17:53:33
GMTFrom: panix![e-mail]: Request: Computing Network
Conference summary?To: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Steve Schallehn) writes:>Did anyone go to the ARRL Computer
Networking Conference?  >I have not heard anything at all about
it this year.  >-Steve Schallehn KB0AGD> Kansas State
UniversityThe Computer Networking Conference was excellent!
There was much"cross-polination" --- people with different
networking approaches allshared ideas and agreed to work
together as much as possible.There were many excellent papers
presented, as well as vendordemonstrations, discussions, good
food, etc.As usual the Proceedings are available directly from
ARRL HQ(203-666-1541). I recommend getting a copy in order to
see some of whatwas discussed.BTW, I'm Vice Chairman of the
Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society. We hosted this year's
CNC, so of course my opinion may be consideredbiased.  Hopefully
others will post their opinions as well so you'll get abroader
view.73, Andy--     Andrew Funk, KB7UV
Internet: [e-mail]    ENG Editor/Microwave
     Packet: kb7uv@kb7uv.#nli.ny.usa    WCBS-TV Channel 2 News
                   BBS:
718-956-7133------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #333******************************Date: Thu, 10 Dec
92 04:30:04 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #334To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
10 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  334Today's Topics:
                  [ANS] help              Can a KPC-2400 be
modified for 9600 Baud?                Cheapest way to get on
Packet (2 msgs)                             for posting
    Gateway from 2m to Telnet in Dallas area?
       GRAPES 56K Modem        HAM Connection BBS shutting down
permanently (3 msgs)                  HAM Related BBS available
for use     Help! Conversion of 2m handheld to work in Europe.
(2 msgs)                   Help with Ka9Q SMTP mail routing
     Help with Ka9Q SMTP mail routing - clarification
high-speed RF modems on half duplex links (2 msgs)
  Linux-based KA9Q-Internet? (2 msgs)
modem needed w/software         Need help with Alinco DJ-580 /
PacComm TINY-2 combo                            test:
ignore.Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 9 Dec 92 17:28:14 GMTFrom:
[e-mail]: [ANS] helpTo:
[e-mail]>From: [e-mail]>Posted:
Dec 05 12:19>Subject: help>send HELP>HELPNever fear... help is
on the way!J. Wayne------------------------------Date: 10 Dec 92
06:30:23 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Can a
KPC-2400 be modified for 9600 Baud?To: [e-mail]!
  I've got a Kantronics KPC-2400, but would like to use a faster
modem (9600 baud) than the 2400 baud modem in the TNC (which
never gets used anyway). I understand that most TNC's have some
sort of external modem header that Kantronics TNC's lack. Is
there some way I could add such a header to my TNC? What would
it require? (I'm VERY comfortable with surgery on the TNC.)
On a related topic, has anyone come up with a Baycom/Digicom/PMP
style modem and software TNC for packet at 9600 baud? Or is this
too demanding of most PC's? (I'm using a 386DX at 33MHz.)
The 2400 is both more and less TNC than I want. It will do HF
packet and WEFAX, but I have no HF gear. 2400 baud does work,
but is not supported by more than a handfull of other operators
in this area. I would be happier with a TNC2. Anybody wanna
trade with something more like a TNC2?  :) 73 de Brett  PACKET:
KA7CGB @ K7BUC.AZ.USA.NA  | The opinions expressed here are
mine,  BITNET: AUBMD@ASUACVAX            | but can be yours too
for only $4.99.INTERNET: [e-mail]
|------------------------------Date: 9 Dec 92 17:42:17 GMTFrom:
[e-mail]: Cheapest way to get on
PacketTo: [e-mail] KE4ZV says:The software and
modem systems work at the lower speeds, buttie up the resources
of your desktop machine doing bit banging tasksbest offloaded on
a dedicated processor. Disk interrupts and the likecan corrupt
packets by disrupting the timing.I say:Note, that this isn't
ture of the Mac SoftKISS system. Mac's are blessed with a Zilog
SCC, just like all the good TNCs, and can do HDLC in hardware.
The driver just replaces the serial port driver and can be used
by any program expecting a KISS TNC on the end of a serial
link.Kevin N7WIM------------------------------Date: 8 Dec 92
20:05:39 GMTFrom:
agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!hp
lvec![e-mail]: Cheapest way to get on
PacketTo: [e-mail]'s what I know about cheap
packet systems:As I understand it:    1. The BAYPAC (model BP-1)
(page 140 November 1992 QST, or page 83       November 73, $50)
is a small modem that draws its power from the       serial
interface.  It must be very similar to the TCM3105.ZIP
schematic.  (Also see BAYPAC review in December 1992 73)    2.
It is just a modem, and therefore requires some software like
   BAYCOM running on a PC-compatible to complete the "TNC"
system.       The BAYCOM system was reviewed in the December
1991 issue of 73.Summary of Inexpensive 2m Packet
Systems:----------------------------------------    1. For
PC-compatibles:        A. Poor Man's Packet: (the authors are on
internet)             I.   Page 8 August 1991 73 magazine.
      II.  Anonymous FTP: helios.tn.cornell.edu (128.84.241.2),
                  /pub/PMP/pmp11dsk.zip .        B. BayCom
revision 1.50a software and either BAYPAC or use the
TCM3105.ZIP Postscript schematic:             I.   Review:
December 1991 issue of 73.             II.  Anonymous FTP:
WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (192.88.110.20) or
mirror sites like OAK.Oakland.Edu (141.210.10.117)
                       wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4)
                               ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9)
                           nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100)
                            src.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.3.7)
                               archie.au (139.130.4.6).
          I have used wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4):
               /mirrors/msdos/packet/tcm3105.zip and
         /mirrors/msdos/packet/baycom15.zip             (=BayCom revision
1.50)            The later revision 1.50a is available from ucsd.edu
:            /hamradio/packet/baycom/baycom15.zip (168789 bytes)
and also an ENGLISH manual for rev 1.2:
/hamradio/packet/baycom/manual.zip (42424 bytes)            The later
revision 1.50a is also available from
garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (152.1.43.23):
/pub/hamradio/programs/baycom15.zip (168961 bytes).          Note:
Some older versions of the tcm3105.zip schematic            have 2 R2s.
I think the "R2" connected to the            CTS line should be corrected
to R3, a 2.2K ohm.    2. For Macintosh:        PacketMac Modem:
(the author is on internet)       Page 8 October 1992 73, and
errata page 54 November 1992 73.    3. Commodore 64: I was
told:    > Digicom 64 in the August 1986 73 (date ??).    >     > The
software is public domain and is usually bundled with a    > "kit,"
PCB, hard-to-find parts, etc.; from some hams that    > translated
the original documentation from the German.    >     > A more-or-less
accurate list of the guys that can supply the kit    > is listed in
the ARRL publication, "Gateway to Packet Radio."Notes:-----  1.
I have only used Poor Man's Packet, but hope to try BayCom soon.
 2. If you have Internet mail but not FTP, try the FTP mail
server:     send a mail message with the subject "help" and a
single message     line "help" to [e-mail].  3. (I
have uploaded the "AX.25 Amateur Packet-Radio Link-Layer
Protocol, Version 2.0 October 1984" specification as ax25.doc in
    /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming on ucsd.edu .  If you have
problems     getting the file, I'll be pleased to email it to
you.)Please email me or post any
additions/corrections.73's----Ted Cline, N0RQV
 VXI Systems [e-mail]
Hewlett-Packard, M/S [e-mail]
815 14th Street SWVOICE: [phone]               P.O. Box
301FAX:   [phone]               Loveland, CO  80537
USA------------------------------Date: 9 Dec 92 19:15:48
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: for postingTo:
[e-mail] the TNC jack on the back of the Yaesu
5100 just another mic jack,or does it bypass stuff so you can
run 9600 baud?--Daniel Max P. Drucker      Amateur radio: N2SXX

[e-mail]_______________________________________
_______________________________________"Difficulty! It's the
single simplest machine in the entire Universe!"
-HHGTTG------------------------------Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992
23:50:52 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!sunova!NewsWatcher!user@network.U
CSD.EDUSubject: Gateway from 2m to Telnet in Dallas area?To:
[e-mail] there a gateway from 2m to Telnet in the
Dallas area? If yes, whatare the frequencies on 2m?If no, is
there a University having acces to Telnet and providing
modemacces? I have a PC with NET(KA9Q) running connected to a
TNC ready to beconnected.All I need is a connection to Telnet as
a backbone to Europe.Any hint is appreciated.73 Frank,
KI5IC------------------------------Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992
11:00:02 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]: GRAPES
56K ModemTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Harold C. Forbes) writes:>Since several people have asked and I
haven't seen a response>from GRAPES themselves, here is the
address I have for them:>>GRAPES Inc., P.O. Box 871, Alpharetta,
GA 30239-0871>>I think Doug, KD4NC is President. Kits are
$250.That was two elections ago. Bruce, K4TQL is the current
president.Doug still handles kits. Note; we have no phone, we
have no FAX,Doug answers Email, but we all know how reliable
uucp mail is. For best results, mail to the post office box.
Mail is serviced oncea week. Remember this is a club project,
not a for profit company.Cut our volunteers a little slack.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 10 Dec 92 00:30:30
GMTFrom:
ogicse!flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!rostb-mac.ads.orst.ed
u![e-mail]: HAM Connection BBS shutting
down permanentlyTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
,[e-mail] writes:>BBS too, if he had recieved
the same type of e-mail I have concerning mypost.>I wish his BBS
luck and He in no way was the one who kept pointing to
mypost.>In fact, that's between God above and myself.  73's all
and happyholidays.>N5UYH Grady            *** My OPINIONS ONLY
***Grady,Sorry to see you shut down. I never used the BBS, but
it sounds like youwere doing a great service to people.
73s.Monte------------------------------Date: 8 Dec 92 16:23:12
GMTFrom:
ogicse!emory!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!lub001.lamar.
edu![e-mail]: HAM Connection BBS shutting
down permanentlyTo: [e-mail] wish to thank all who
have utilized the HAM Connection for HAM Files andother
information.  To date, I have recieved no flames concerning my
occasional posting to inform this newsgroup of its' availability
to all free of chargeor obligation.  However, one person on the
net seems content to keep remindingme of my posts and seems to
point to every flaw my postings may have.  I amvery sorry this
gentlman feels this way but I can't change his opinions.  Heis
entitled to that.  I still can't understand why someone would
keep tryingto mention that my short posts about the BBS will
cause flames when I haverecieved none.  So, I can put an end to
his posts without arguing with him orothers by shutting the
system down permanently.  It was offered to those who donot have
FTP access so they too, could enjoy the many HAM related files
thatare available on Internet.  But effective Thursday, December
10th, 1992, theSystem will shut down at 18:00 PM CST.  I wish to
thank those individuals whoused the system and I truly hope that
you enjoyed using it.  For those whowished to continue using it,
I am very sorry it must cease to exist.  Mydeepest apologies for
posting a message concerning its' availability.  I amsure Gary
at N8EMR BBS must feel guilty for posting messages concerning
hisBBS too, if he had recieved the same type of e-mail I have
concerning my post.I wish his BBS luck and He in no way was the
one who kept pointing to my post.In fact, that's between God
above and myself.  73's all and happy holidays.N5UYH Grady
     *** My OPINIONS ONLY ***------------------------------Date:
Thu, 10 Dec 1992 00:51:41 GMTFrom:
saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.ed
u!crcnis1.unl.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis![e-mail]
: HAM Connection BBS shutting down permanentlyTo:
[e-mail]@lub001.lamar.edu writes:>I wish to
thank all who have utilized the HAM Connection for HAM Files
and>other information. To date, I have recieved no flames
concerning my occasional >posting to inform this newsgroup of
its' availability to all free of charge>or obligation.  However,
one person on the net seems content to keep reminding>me of my
posts and seems to point to every flaw my postings may have.  I
am>very sorry this gentlman feels this way but I can't change
his opinions.  He>is entitled to that.  I still can't understand
why someone would keep trying>to mention that my short posts
about the BBS will cause flames when I have>recieved none.  So,
I can put an end to his posts without arguing with him or>others
by shutting the system down permanently.  [...] Grady didn't
mention me by name in this post, so I could probably leavethis
incident behind in blissful anonymity.  However, I am so
absolutelyflabbergasted by misinterpretations of my E-mail
communications withhim, that I really must come out of hiding
and comment publicly.I did not harrass Grady.  I did *NOT* imply
that his BBS, orannouncements about his BBS was flame-bait, per
se.  I even sent afollowup explanation, when I noticed something
about "non-constructivecriticism sent to /dev/null," in his
second post.  If I'm reading theabove correctly, he is shutting
down an excellent ham BBS permanently,an action solely based on
*MY* criticism! (assuming that it wascriticism).But let's back
up a little bit, and give a chronological account:About a month
or so ago, Grady posted an announcement about his BBS, in
separately-posted articles to several radio-related newsgroups.
I don'tremember my word-for-word reply, but I believe I sent
along words ofencouragement for his BBS, but offered some
incidental technicalcriticism about his post (specifically that
he should CROSS-POST hismessage so that only one copy propogates
throughout the net).  I alsosuggested registering with one or
more of the existing ham BBSdirectories floating around the
net.I didn't get a reply back, but I saw some mention of the
"flames" he gotin his next post.  I wrote back to him,
expressing concern that myincidental technical criticism was
perceived as a "flame."  I tried tofurther explain that
sometimes on the net, you get a wide range ofopinions, and a
seasoned net-veterans will not take anything personally.I got
back an angry reply stating that any criticism of a service he
provides for free is not welcome.  In addition, he said that the
BBS wasshutting down in a few days, due to my criticism (which
he claimed wasthe ONLY criticism he got).Folks, I really don't
care what you post to the net or what kind ofservices you make
available.  I might offer constructive criticism andguidance
from time-to-time, but that's all it is, CONSTRUCTIVE.  Evenif,
for the sake of argument, I was somehow "harrassing" Grady,
what'sit to him?  From what I can tell, Grady is in his late
30's, is married,and is either a Lamar University student or
staff member.  In short, amature individual who can take care of
himself.  His attitude andactions seem to be more indicative of
a pre-teenage child than an adult.Grady, don't shut down your
BBS on my account, and certainly don't stopposting to the net or
think that your services aren't appreciated justbecause someone
offers some complaint.Apologies for wasting the net's time with
this little hassle, but I'msure others will be dropping E-mail
to Grady encouraging him to keep hisBBS running and to keep
posting to the net as well.73, Paul W. Schleck,
[e-mail] ------------------------------Date:
Wed, 9 Dec 1992 20:42:52 GMTFrom:
ornl!orph23.phy.ornl.gov![e-mail]: HAM Related
BBS available for useTo:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Wed, 9
Dec 1992 19:49:54 GMTFrom:
ornl!orph23.phy.ornl.gov![e-mail]: Help!
Conversion of 2m handheld to work in Europe.To:
[e-mail],I am currently in the US for 1 year and
am looking into purchasing a 2Mhandheld set. However, after this
period I will be moving back to Europe andI would like to
operate the same set over there. Is there anybody out therewho
may know how difficult it is to convert one of these so that it
will be able to use the European repeaters and the slightly
different frequencies ofthe 2M band ?Thanks in advance,     Dave
Cullen  (KD4RIB).Please reply via
[e-mail]@orph14.phy.ornl.gov------------
------------------Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 19:49:54 GMTFrom:
[e-mail] (david cullen)Subject: Help!
Conversion of 2M handheld to work in Europe.Hi,I am currently in
the US for 1 year and am looking into purchasing a 2Mhandheld
set. However, after this period I will be moving back to Europe
andI would like to operate the same set over there. Is there
anybody out therewho may know how difficult it is to convert one
of these so that it will be able to use the European repeaters
and the slightly different frequencies ofthe 2M band ?Thanks in
advance,     Dave Cullen  (KD4RIB).Please reply via
[e-mail]@orph14.phy.ornl.gov------------
------------------Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 21:46:19 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usene
t.ins.cwru.edu!axa12-slip.DIALIN.CWRU.Edu![e-mail]
ubject: Help with Ka9Q SMTP mail routingTo:
[e-mail] am running Ka9Q on my PC which is on the
campus thin-wire TCP/IPnetwork.I have two domain name servers
defined, and also have an SMTP gatewaydefined.  The SMTP mode is
route.I would like all SMTP mail to be sent via the SMTP
gateway.Currently, if my machine can find an IP address for a
recipient's address, it attempts to directly open an SMTP
connection and send mail.On the other hand, when it cannot find
an IP address the message is routed through the SMTP gateway
(eg. mail to UUCP, BITNET or FIDONET sites).  Is there some way
that I can route all outgoing mail through the SMTP gateway that
I have defined.Our local Ka9Q guru is looking into this, but I
thought it wouldn't hurt to ask a few
others.Ashok-----------------------------------------------------
-----------------                              Ashok Aiyar
                Department of Biochemistry
CWRU School of
Medicine---------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992
21:52:03 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mag
nus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!axa12-slip.DIALIN.CWRU
.Edu![e-mail]: Help with Ka9Q SMTP mail
routing - clarificationTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> I wrote:>I am running
Ka9Q on my PC which is on the campus thin-wire
TCP/IP>network.>>I have two domain name servers defined, and
also have an SMTP gateway>defined.  The SMTP mode is route.>>I
would like all SMTP mail to be sent via the SMTP
gateway.>>Currently, if my machine can find an IP address for a
recipient's address, >it attempts to directly open an SMTP
connection and send mail.Clarification: my computer attempts to
directly open an SMTP connection to the recipient's site and
deliver mail if it can find an IP address for that site.  This
does not pose a problem most often.  However in one specific
instance it did.  I tried replying to a person whose address
was"[e-mail]".  My computer can find an IP address
for ucs.indiana.edu, and attempts to open an SMTP connection to
that site.  That computer does not apparently have SMTP enabled,
and my computer has been attempting to send that message for 2
days now.  I would rather send this message to the SMTP gateway
that I have defined, and let it forward the message.>On the
other hand, when it cannot find an IP address the message is
routed >through the SMTP gateway (eg. mail to UUCP, BITNET or
FIDONET sites).  Is >there some way that I can route all
outgoing mail through the SMTP gateway >that I have
defined.>>Our local Ka9Q guru is looking into this, but I
thought it wouldn't hurt to >ask a few
others.>>Ashok>--------------------------------------------------
-------------------->                              Ashok Aiyar >
                     Department of Biochemistry>
      CWRU School of
Medicine>--------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------                              Ashok Aiyar
                  Department of Biochemistry
  CWRU School of
Medicine---------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992
11:19:20 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]:
high-speed RF modems on half duplex linksTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] ()
writes:>>I have a datacomm question with regard to high-speed
modems like the GRAPES>(56 kbps) design.  When it comes to
actual implementation, if you're using>these modems for
high-speed point-to-point links, I can see where it's>worthwhile
to go to a fast modem.  However, it appears that most of
the>hardware that supports these high-speed devices (including
the NOS drivers>that support DMA) are half-duplex.>>Once you get
outside of the engineering labs and the text books, what is>the
real performance gain of high-speed modems in the CSMA
environment?>Even if a radio takes 10 milliseconds to be on
frequency (FAST for ham>equipment), it still takes a modem a
finite amount of time to acquire>the rx signal and then recover
clock.  If you are sending "typical" ham>packets (let's say, for
the purpose of this discussion <1k), then you>are sending for
less than 150 milliseconds at 56 kbps.  That's not very>long.
Can anybody quote how much time it takes for the modem clocks
to>lock and be ready to send data, from the time the squelch
opens?>>Is the CSMA environment what these modems are designed
for, or are they>really intended for point-to-point so-called
"backbone" links?Both. In interactive mode on a contending
channel, they feel likea Telebit in PEP mode, a little jerky,
but usable. It's when theydo file transfers with long packets,
typically 4k, on a non-contendingchannel that they really shine
of course. The modems are designed tobe capable of full duplex
operation, and with a Gracillis board theycan be operated that
way.Note that lockup occurs in under 5 ms for the RF modems,
they arethe radio remember. You can share the channel with a lot
moreusers when the average packet is less than 300 ms instead of
severalseconds in length. Like any contention system, total
channel thruputstarts to degrade rapidly as the available
channel time is used up,but with fast packets, there is more
effective time to use.If you operate full duplex through a cross
band digital repeater,full CSMA-CD can be implemented. That
improves channel thruputwonderfully as the hidden terminal
problem is eliminated.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992
09:16:53 GMTFrom:
agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!clss1.bangor.ac.uk!sees.bangor.ac.uk!ms9211@am
es.arpaSubject: high-speed RF modems on half duplex linksTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (C.E. Piggott ) writes:> > > I have a
datacomm question with regard to high-speed modems like the
GRAPES> (56 kbps) design.> ...........> Is the CSMA environment
what these modems are designed for, or are they> really intended
for point-to-point so-called "backbone" links?> Here in North
Wales we are trying to establish a high speed link across
thewhole of the coast from England, hoping eventually to carry
most of theIrish traffic as well. We have a multi-hop standard
NET/ROM route and thatis currently being upgraded. We hope to
eventually cover the whole of theNorth Wales coast in two hops
using microwave frequencies and at least9k6 data rates.We see
that the only way of doing this is in full-duplex operation. As
yourightly state, the key-up, receiver settling and modem
locking times arevery long when compared with the length of a
packet. It makes the high datarate, particulary when considering
the cost of the kit, a waste of time.We suggest that, if you
want to dramatically improve your throughput, you trya
full-duplex link at 1200. You will be so amazed at the increase
in trafficthat you will certainly want to try higher data
rates.One note of caution, watch your drivers! In a previous 9k6
link we foundthat an Atari 1040ST running PE1CHLs NET, acting as
a 10 port node, including the 9k6 link, outperformed a 25MHz
'386 by a factor of 4! The PC was runningthe BPQ code, but the
tx schuduling in the prog is not optimised for full-duplexwork
(John Wiseman, G8BPQ, admitted this when we asked him!)> Just
trying to learn.I know the feeling! > > Chris> -- > Christopher
E. Piggott, WZ2B                    [e-mail]>
President                                       wz2b.ampr
[44.69.0.1]> Rochester Institute of Technology
wz2b @ WB2PSI.#WNY.NY.USA.NA> Amateur Radio Club K2GXT
             [e-mail]--
-------------------------------------------------| Colin Simons
|    [e-mail]
|-------------------------------------------------| Any piece of
code that compiles first time    ||      will not do what you
expected...
|----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 17:46:47 GMTFrom:
utcsri!torn!csd.unb.ca![e-mail]:
Linux-based KA9Q-Internet?To:
[e-mail],Does anybody know the ftp site
for Linux-based KA9Q-NOS?Any information would be greatly
appreciated.Regards,Johanes P.TamtomoSurvey Wng. Univ. of New
BrunswickFredericton,
[e-mail][e-mail]---------------------
---------Date: 10 Dec 92 00:45:24 GMTFrom:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!sauna.cs.hut.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!Tomi.Man
[e-mail]: Linux-based KA9Q-Internet?To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> Joe <[e-mail]>
writes:>Does anybody know the ftp site for Linux-based
KA9Q-NOS?>Any information would be greatly appreciated.If you
can't find it anywhere closer to you, try nic.funet.fi:
/pub/OS/Linux/util/tcpip/ka9q.-----Tomi Manninen   /
[e-mail]   /   OH2BNS @
OH2RBI.FIN.EU---------------------------------Date: 10 Dec 92
02:54:18 GMTFrom:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!nic.umass.edu!news.mthol
yoke.edu!mhc.mtholyoke.edu![e-mail]: modem
needed w/softwareTo: [e-mail] know this is not the
right area to post this but!!!!!!!!!!!!!i am looking for a modem
and associated software to fit an apple][ or ][cfor a local
elementary schoolif any has such an animal they would like to
get rid of or sell pleasecontact meemail:[e-mail] or
USPS aircom att:wayne 01090-0696thank you for your and time
happy holidayswayne------------------------------Date: 9 Dec 92
15:43:47 GMTFrom:
agate!stanford.edu!rock!concert!duke!news.duke.edu!ee.egr.duke.ed
u![e-mail]: Need help with Alinco DJ-580 / PacComm
TINY-2 comboTo: [e-mail] seem to be having
difficulty getting an audio signal from the TNC to theHT's TX
audio input.Does anyone have experience with this particular
radio/TNC combination?My cables are wired correctly as per the
manual (and tested with a meter).The TNC's analog loopback test
works fine.  PTT activates correctly, butI can't seem to get any
audio in the transmitted signal.  When I run thecalibration
function, I get no audio signal for either tone setting.I have
tried it throughout the range of the TNC's transmit audio
levelresistor, and with and without the impedence jumper in
place.The HT works fine with the speaker-mike, so the jacks are
working.Someone has suggested that I need a capacitor between
the TNC audio outand the DJ-580's audio in.  Is this
true?Receive is working just fine.This packet beginner will
greatly appreciate any advice...   -joe73 de KD4LLV--
     You spend the night            Like you were spending a
dime                   - Lyle
Lovett------------------------------Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992
19:41:27 GMTFrom:
pacbell.com!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-st
ate.edu!linac!uchinews!machine!chinet![e-mail]
ect: test: ignore.To: [e-mail]!--Mark Pecen :
[e-mail] ||
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #334******************************Date:
Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:30:03 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #335To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
12 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  335Today's Topics:
1200 bps modem standards: deviation? (2 msgs)
Cheapest way to get on packet                    Groups in
Northern New Jersey        HAM Connection BBS shutting down
permanently (3 msgs)                    IP Address Coordinator
in VA??                         Linux-based KA9Q-NOS
              N0ARY: (2 msgs)              TCP/IP access on
packet radio... (2 msgs)   TCP/IP information-  Thanks!  And
some more questions. (3 msgs)                    Xerox 820
packet applications?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
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there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 10 Dec 92 17:29:12 GMTFrom:
[e-mail]: 1200 bps modem standards:
deviation?To: [e-mail] 1200 bps packet on
an FM transmitter:We are continually having problems with
undermodulation, overmodulation,and tone twist.Is there a
standard for frequency deviation for each of the two tones?If
so, what is it and where can I find it?If not, let's discuss the
problem....Jeff Austen, k9jaInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Fri, 11
Dec 1992 19:51:09 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!crcnis1.unl.
edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu![e-mail]
bject: 1200 bps modem standards: deviation?To:
[e-mail] need to check off the air on the tone
levels.  Some rigs will attenuate the higher frequency and you
will notknow it by the levels you are feeding the transmitter.I
experiment and use as little audio level on both receiveand
transmit I can get by with.  I think the idea deviationis
supposed to be 5 kHz just like with NFM modulation.
Oneunscientific method I have heard of is to listen to
yourtransmitted signal and cut it back enough so there is
neverany over deviation (cut outs) heard on a proper receiver.On
my Digicom/64 interface I have three positions, two forVHF
another position for HF packet.  I found out I had muchgreater
success on packet paths when I used the positionwhich boosts the
high frequency transmit
bandpass.RonAK0N------------------------------Date: Fri, 11 Dec
1992 19:34:34 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!crcnis1.unl.edu!new
s.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu![e-mail]:
Cheapest way to get on packetTo: [e-mail] you buy
a Ramsey interface for the C-64, double checkthe wiring.  I have
seen a posting which alleged there areserious problems with at
least one kit.  I have fieldedcomplaints on packet radio that,
at least one time, allhas not been well with the kits.
------------------------------Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:05:28
GMTFrom: paradox![e-mail]: Groups in
Northern New JerseyTo: [e-mail] having left
college, and having virtually no money to freely spendon such
extravagances as radio equipment, I was wondering if there
areany groups in the north eastern part of New Jersey working
packet whowould be willing to take in a rusty tech, help him
recover his lostknowledge, and give him some equipment to play
with until his financesrecover to the point that he can fix his
old AT+T 6300, buy his own set,and strike out on his own.I live
in Jersey City, if that helps narrow down the area I'm looking
in.---Joseph Poutre, aka The Mad
Mathematician    [e-mail] who cannot cope
with mathematics is not fully human.  At best heis a tolerable
subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and notmake messes
in the house.         -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for
Love"------------------------------Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992
17:52:32 GMTFrom:
noc.near.net!gateway!miki![e-mail]: HAM
Connection BBS shutting down permanentlyTo:
[e-mail], that's pretty amazing!  I'm not sure
you can do _anything_ on the net and not get some negative
feedback, and here's a guy shutting down a useful BBS because of
two instances of constructive criticism.  Thanks for making my
day just that much more surreal!:+)-- Willie Smith
[e-mail]     [e-mail]"That's the wonderful thing
about crayons, they can takeyou to more places than a starship."
 Guinan - STNG------------------------------Date: 10 Dec 92
16:26:09 GMTFrom: usc!hacgate![e-mail]: HAM
Connection BBS shutting down permanentlyTo:
[e-mail], does this mean I can shamelessly tell
everyone about my BBS?Call one of the oldest running BBS's in
the country! It does have a HAMsection for both messages and
files! PC Heaven BBS310-374-7929!!call to day,flames welcome as
well as anyother messages.. heck I read anything!-- Why did the
Roman Empire Collapse? What is latin for Office Automation?----
The opitions expressed here are mine and have nothing to do with
HughesAircraft Co. -- So there!
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Sat, 12
Dec 1992 01:40:39 GMTFrom:
pacbell.com!well!moon!pixar![e-mail]: HAM
Connection BBS shutting down permanentlyTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:> one person on the net seems
content to keep reminding> me of my posts and seems to point to
every flaw my postings may have.> So, I can put an end to his
posts without arguing with him or> others by shutting the system
down permanently.When I was a small child and behaved this way,
my mother would call it"Cutting off my nose to spite my face".
If you are so sensitive thata few mail messages will prompt you
to shut down your project, I amsurprised that you would ever key
up your transmitter.The person who claims to have sent you those
messages, Paul W SchleckKD3FU, doesn'tseem to have had any
malice in mind. It seems that he was trying to actas your
"Usenet Elmer". There's a lot to the craft of operatingon usenet
that isn't obvious at first glance. Perhaps you should
re-readhis messages in that light.                    Bruce
Perens                    KD6OTD------------------------------Date: 12 Dec 1992
02:03:25 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!agate!usene
t.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu![e-mail]
t: IP Address Coordinator in VA??To: [e-mail]
anyone know the call or name or email address of the IP address
coordinator in Virginia?? I would love to get anumber assigned.
Thanks, Don McGee KF6CJ [e-mail]-- Don H.
McGee    [e-mail]
KF6CJ------------------------------Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992
01:54:29 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!torn!csd.unb.ca!UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA@networ
k.UCSD.EDUSubject: Linux-based KA9Q-NOSTo:
[e-mail],Thanks to
galerie.hanse.de![e-mail] (DB3BAK)
[e-mail] (OH2BNS) for the information about
Linux-based KA9Q.For those who might be interested in,
especially for [e-mail], here are the addresses:1.
the latest version of WAMPES at ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/
tcpip/wampes;2. nic.funet.fi/pub/OS/Linux/util/tcpip/ka9q.Best
regards,Johanes P. TamtomoSurvey Eng. Umiv. of New
BrunswickFredericton,
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Fri, 11 Dec
1992 19:55:20 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!c
wis.unomaha.edu![e-mail]: N0ARY:To:
[e-mail] anyone know what has happened to the
N0ARY BBSinterface on Internet?  Today I tried to access itand
the message came back like it has been
disconnected.RonAK0N------------------------------Date: 11 Dec
92 21:51:57 GMTFrom:
olivea!hal.com!hal.com![e-mail]: N0ARY:To:
[e-mail] article [e-mail],
[e-mail] (Ronald D. Erickson) writes:>>Does
anyone know what has happened to the N0ARY BBS>interface on
Internet?  Today I tried to access it>and the message came back
like it has been disconnected.>>Ron>AK0NIt should be there.
Assuming my computers haven't been stolen :)If anyone using the
gate runs into problems please feel free to send mea message
here at [e-mail]. My network at home is ip connected to
workso I can check on things quite
readily.73-------------------------------------------------------
----------------------Bob Arasmith   [e-mail] (work)
[e-mail] (home)   n0ary@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na
(packet)------------------------------Date: 11 Dec 92 21:53:27
GMTFrom: gecko![e-mail]: TCP/IP access on
packet radio...To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> writes:>   How exactly
does direct telnet, ftp, etc. kind of access work on
packet>radio?  Is it like SLIP, where you're assigned an IP
address when you log>into the internet system, or does it work
some other way?You must get an IP address(es) assigned to you.
The IP address is essentially a permanent attribute of your
station.  Probably someone in your area coordinates this and
will give you an IP address.  Best betis to log into one of the
local packet stations which is runningsome form of NOS and leave
a message to the sysop asking wherehe got his address from.Note
that machines which accept IP connections normally also
acceptstraight AX.25 connections, so if you are just trying to
*connect*to another node which is running IP protocols, then you
don't haveto do anything special, and IP addresses never come
into the picture.Since you mention telnet & ftp though I assume
that you are actuallyrunning some form of NOS at your end, so
you'll need to get anIP address before you can go any
further.When you start up your TCPIP software (presumably
AmigaNOS if youare going to use that "rusty A500"), some of the
commands you needto issue will set define your communication
ports and set the IP address used by each port.  This would
normally be in the NOS startup file, so it isn't really
something you have to do interactively, but that's beside the
point.Hope this helps, at least a little ...         73  --Mark
Lanzo-- KD4QLZ     [e-mail]         Running AmigaNOS on my
(t)rusty A3000 ...         ------------------------------Date:
11 Dec 92 22:03:08 GMTFrom:
newsstand.cit.cornell.edu![e-mail]: TCP/IP
access on packet radio...To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark
Lanzo) writes:> In article
<[e-mail]> writes:> >   How
exactly does direct telnet, ftp, etc. kind of access work on
packet> >radio?  Is it like SLIP, where you're assigned an IP
address when you log> >into the internet system, or does it work
some other way?> > You must get an IP address(es) assigned to
you.  The IP address is > essentially a permanent attribute of
your station.  Probably someone > in your area coordinates this
and will give you an IP address.  Best bet> is to log into one
of the local packet stations which is running> some form of NOS
and leave a message to the sysop asking where> he got his
address from.> > Note that machines which accept IP connections
normally also accept> straight AX.25 connections, so if you are
just trying to *connect*> to another node which is running IP
protocols, then you don't have> to do anything special, and IP
addresses never come into the picture.> Since you mention telnet
& ftp though I assume that you are actually> running some form
of NOS at your end, so you'll need to get an> IP address before
you can go any further.>    Okay, but how would I do that?  And
does the IP address necessarily have   to change if I move to a
different area? Like if I wanted to read email   from Florida
instead of NY?> When you start up your TCPIP software
(presumably AmigaNOS if you> are going to use that "rusty
A500"), some of the commands you need> to issue will set define
your communication ports and set the IP > address used by each
port.  This would normally be in the NOS startup > file, so it
isn't really something you have to do interactively, but >
that's beside the point.>    I think I'm okay there..> Hope this
helps, at least a little ...> >          73  --Mark Lanzo--
KD4QLZ>   [e-mail]>          Running AmigaNOS on my
(t)rusty A3000 ...>          --    Yes, thanks.--  Eric L. Beyer
 Proud owner of his rusty A500  Paper pusher of Solaris
Devlopment Group  ([e-mail])
------------------------------Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:24:45
GMTFrom:
newsstand.cit.cornell.edu![e-mail]:
TCP/IP information-  Thanks!  And some more questions.To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ben Mehlman) writes:> Thanks to all who responded to my plea
for information on high speed  > tcp/ip.  You have all been very
helpful.> > I would like to hear any comments on the following.>
> I have decided that the first step is for me to purchase the
MFJ1270B  > TNC, as this seems to be popular and inexpensive.
More importantly,  > it seems to be compatible with the TAPR and
GRAPES modems.> > I am tempted to directly take the plunge to
the 9600 baud option, but  > I am not sure whether this will
ever be useful to me, because few  > people are using it.  If I
can use it, I'll buy it.  Otherwise I am  > tempted to run some
tests at 1200, then make the jump directly to  > 56K.> > If
anyone can tell me MFJs address and/or phone I would greatly  >
appreciate it.> I'd also like the address and phone for the
GRAPES people so I can  > ask them some questions about the 56K
modem.  > > > Can anyone who is using the GRAPES modem let me
know what their  > equipment is and their experiences with it??>
> For starters, I would like to use my Tempo 2M radio for the RF
 > portion of the system.  This radio has 10 watts output.  Will
this be  > enough???> > I live in Norwalk, CT (SW corner of the
state).  Can anyone tell me  > who I would have to contact to
find out about the local net here???> > Next, I will need some
software.  I assume I can immediately use an  > ordinary
terminal package to do ax.25 to other stations with the  > 1270.
 For tcp/ip I need a router, which I believe is provided by the
> KA9Q software, ie, the software supports a serial interface to
the  > TNC in KISS mode, with my lan interfacing through an
ethernet or SLIP  > port.  Is this correct??> > In order to do
this I would have to run a PC dedicated to just being  > a
router???  I can do this, but I am interested in running the TNC
 > directly off my unix box, a NeXTStation.  Has anyone ported
the KA9Q  > software to BSD unix or even to the NeXT
specifically??  If source is  > available, but not the port I
need, I would be willing to tackle this  > project and make my
results available to all.> > Are there any other options besides
the KA9Q software, and what are  > the advantages/disadvantages
of those options???> > Last but not least:  I get the frequency
of my local net, get an ip  > address from the coordinator, get
the TNC, raido, and router all set  > up.  Now what???  How do I
find out who else is out there???> > Thanks again everyone!>
-Ben KB2ERP> -----    Could somebody post the info publicly?
I've been having a hard timefinding addresses and phone #'s of
TNC manufacturers.   Oh, and FYI: Kaytronics # is 913-842-7745--
 Eric L. Beyer  Proud owner of his rusty A500  Paper pusher of
Solaris Devlopment Group  ([e-mail])
------------------------------Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:36:15
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!csc.ti.com!til
de.csc.ti.com!fstop.csc.ti.com!fstop.csc.ti.com![e-mail]
SD.EDUSubject: TCP/IP information-  Thanks!  And some more
questions.To: [e-mail] a suggestion to those of
you looking for addresses of TNCmanufacturers:  Any recent issue
of QST or 73 magazine would havethat information.--
*********************************************              |
Steve Brown, WD5HCY         | Simplicate |              |
[e-mail]   | and add    |              |
wd5hcy@n5ldd.#dfw.tx.usa.na | lightness. |              |  (214)
575-3597              |            |              |  MSG:SBRN
                |    - Bill  |              |  MS 8496, PSK0
          |      Stout |
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----------Date: 12 Dec 92 02:54:01 GMTFrom:
stanford.edu!apple![e-mail]: TCP/IP
information-  Thanks!  And some more questions.To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ben Mehlman) writes:>Thanks to all who responded to my plea for
information on high speed  >tcp/ip.  You have all been very
helpful.>>Next, I will need some software.  I assume I can
immediately use an  >ordinary terminal package to do ax.25 to
other stations with the 1270. The KA9Q package includes AX.25
protocols (and NET/ROM). You don't needanother terminal program
to connect to regular AX.25 packet stations(including PBBSs and
PacketClusters). If there are TCP, AX.25, and NET/ROM stations
on the same frequency(not very likely! but I'm trying to make a
point) you can have multiplesessions of different types open
simultaneously.Patty--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::   Patty Winter N6BIS           Internet: [e-mail]
::             ::   Sunnyvale, California           AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
         ::
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------------------------------Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:32:33
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsm![e-mail]
ubject: Xerox 820 packet applications?To:
[e-mail]'m clearing out my shack and one of the
items is a Xerox 820 system (with dual 8" drives no less!). I
believe at one time these were usedfor packet applications. Are
they still useful, or are they the dinosaursof packet
technology? I'm trying to decide whether to break it up for
theparts, or to try to sell it to someone who can use it. Please
reply byemail if possible as I don't often get the time to read
this newsgroup.ThanksBob Atkins  KA1GT   AT&T Bell Labs, Murray
Hill, NJemail direct to  [e-mail]
att!clockwise!rma------------------------------Date: (null)From:
(null)I homebrewed my Digicom/64 interface with
point-to-pointwiring.  I made only one minor wiring error before
Igot it working.  It is better to build with a PC boardif you
know of one that is troublefree.  I built myinterface in 1987
before PC boards were being sold.I put a 130 AC volt varistor on
my AC line feeding mycomputer system.  I have yet to have had an
electronicproblem with my C-64 and packet interface.If you use
Baycom with the C-64, there are some wiringchanges and a
different connector which must be wired
in.RonAK0N------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
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Digest V92 #336To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
13 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  336Today's Topics:
1200 bps modem standards: deviation? (2 msgs)             ICOM
W2A & IC-2SRA Packet Connection Answer                    IP
Address Coordinator in VA??               NNTP Services via
Satellite ?? (2 msgs)                    rsgb gb2rs news 13th
december              TCP/IP access on packet radio... (3 msgs)
 TCP/IP information-  Thanks!  And some more questions. (2 msgs)
                      TCP/IP local cell nets?Send Replies or
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<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:02:04 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv![e-mail]: 1200 bps
modem standards: deviation?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Ronald D. Erickson) writes:>>You need
to check off the air on the tone levels.  Some >rigs will
attenuate the higher frequency and you will not>know it by the
levels you are feeding the transmitter.>I experiment and use as
little audio level on both receive>and transmit I can get by
with.  I think the idea deviation>is supposed to be 5 kHz just
like with NFM modulation.  One>unscientific method I have heard
of is to listen to your>transmitted signal and cut it back
enough so there is never>any over deviation (cut outs) heard on
a proper receiver.Best results with most radios will occur when
deviation isset at a maximum of 3 kHz not 5. That's because most
radiosstart to distort near the 5 kHz limit and have severe
tonetwist anyway. Using a station monitor, you want the hightone
to be 3 db hotter than the low tone. (the stationmonitor
measures without de-emphasis)Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 12 Dec 92 22:20:52
GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!
news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu!ifjrs@net
work.UCSD.EDUSubject: 1200 bps modem standards: deviation?To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Ronald D. Erickson) writes:> > You
need to check off the air on the tone levels.  Some > rigs will
attenuate the higher frequency and you will not> know it by the
levels you are feeding the transmitter.> I experiment and use as
little audio level on both receive> and transmit I can get by
with.  I think the idea deviation> is supposed to be 5 kHz just
like with NFM modulation.  OneDeviation needs to be more like
3.5Khz.73, John> unscientific method I have heard of is to
listen to your> transmitted signal and cut it back enough so
there is never> any over deviation (cut outs) heard on a proper
receiver.> > On my Digicom/64 interface I have three positions,
two for> VHF another position for HF packet.  I found out I had
much> greater success on packet paths when I used the position>
which boosts the high frequency transmit bandpass.> > Ron>
AK0N-- --John [e-mail]        BITNET:
IFJRS@[e-mail]        kl7jl.ampr.org
[44.22.0.1]"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was the
Question?"--------------------------------Date: 10 Dec 92
16:23:19 GMTFrom:
prometheus!media!irscscm!sunstone!mastersa![e-mail]
USubject: ICOM W2A & IC-2SRA Packet Connection AnswerTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (JT) writes:|> In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jerry Bransford) writes:|> >
(statements about waiting 5 minutes on the phone with ICOM
deleted)|> |> Originally I had written out quite a large,
detailed flame about ICOM, and how they have the poorest service
of ANY company I have had to call before.|> |> I won't go into
that, but it has been since January or February that I called,
and I am still steamed about it.  Let's just say I was too
harsh, so I restarted my article.|> [stuff deleted]|> JTMy
experience has been just the opposite with ICOM.  I called them
the day Ibought a TNC, spoke with a very nice tech support
person who went out of hisway to answer lots of kooky questions
I had about wiring up the tnc, runningpacket full-duplex on my
dual band W2A, etc.  He then offered to fax me theschematics,
and rush-delivered them when I told him I didn't have a fax
machine.Also, when I bought my W2A it came with the 1443BB
antenna (the Euro version--they had run out of the U.S. version)
and when I called to ask about it, theysent me a 1443B style
immediately. (I actually like the BB better :-)I was initially
frustrated at the difficulty in obtaining accessories for theW2A
(no problem now), but it was a very popular radio right off the
bat.I'm just a satisfied customer, as are a couple friends with
the same radio,and we all have been very happy with
them--Including a friend who was goingback home to Japan, and
had to have his radio modified first.  Icom had it backto him
real quick.  I don't think your statements are necessarily
typicalof ICOM service at all.-- George Vogel         N7VCZ |
INTERNET :[e-mail] Analyst            |
UUCP     :[e-mail] Support Staff          | AX.25
   :N7VCZ @ WB7ULH.#SLC.UT.USA.NAISA:SM:AUR                 |
TCP/IP   :[44.40.6.3]Standard disclaimer applies|
Ph,V.Mail:[phone]------------------------------Date: Sat,
12 Dec 1992 16:12:51 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG
![e-mail]: IP Address Coordinator in VA??To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Don H. McGee) writes:>>Does anyone know the call or name or
email address of the IP >address coordinator in Virginia?? I
would love to get a>number assigned. [stifling a guffaw]Try Jim
De Arrass. WA4ONG, @WA4ONG in Richmond Virginia.Then, let us
know how successful you are.Then send me mail and I'll tell you
how to get in touch with people who are working with TCP/IP in
Virginia and can give you an address.>>Thanks, >Don McGee KF6CJ
[e-mail]>-- >Don H. McGee
[e-mail]
KF6CJ------------------------------Date: 13 Dec 92 01:32:30
GMTFrom:
deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!dbased.nuo.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!sous
a.tay.dec.com!bobseg.enet.dec.com![e-mail]:
NNTP Services via Satellite ??To:
[e-mail],Last week someone told me that
there was a NNTP news feed being transmitted on one of the
satellites accessable via a home satellite system.  If anyone
can tell me more about this service, I would very much like to
hear from them.Thanks in Advance--Bob
[e-mail]4PWU-------------------------
-----Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:00:25 GMTFrom:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!netsys![e-mail].
EDUSubject: NNTP Services via Satellite ??To:
[e-mail]@bobseg.enet.dec.com
writes:>Greetings,>Last week someone told me that there was a
NNTP news feed being transmitted >on one of the satellites
accessable via a home satellite system.  If anyone >can tell me
more about this service, I would very much like to hear from
them.>Thanks in Advance>-->Bob
Segrest>[e-mail]>KD4PWUBob,    Pagesat Inc. is
transmitting a full usenet feed via KU band. Currentlyabout
fifty megs a day uncompressed. I belive we are currently
gettingnews via 6 or so nntp sources. The dish size as small as
18" will work.    The satellite receiver and  transmission system
is a high powerednarrow band system compared to a video
receiver. This kind of eliminatesyou using a normal home
receiver. This same data receiver and transmissionsystem is used
to provide traffic and common carrier service from variouspaging
companies to well over 1000 VHF and UHF base stations located
onmountain tops.    This same transmission system would probably
make a good way to feed news and email on a broadcast basis to
ham repeaters and radio BBS's.    We certainly would entertain
providing some bandwidth for H ams

. Wewould need to get some help coordinating this. The company
is located inPalo Alto , Ca.    If you wish information please
Email your Mailing address [e-mail].    norman
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=============------------------------------Date: Sun, 13 Dec
1992 03:48:44 +0000From:
pipex!demon!tedb.demon.co.uk![e-mail]: rsgb gb2rs
news 13th decemberTo: [e-mail] morning. It's
Sunday the 13th of December and here is the GB2RS newsbroadcast,
prepared by the Radio Society of Great Britain.First the
headlines:- The RSGB's AGM took place a week ago and we have
theRSGB Council election result. Later in this week's bulletin
we have the usualsolar and propagation news, which includes
details of the Geminids meteorshower which peaks today.The
RSGB's 66th Annual Meeting took place on Saturday the 5th of
December inCentral London. One hundred members attended what has
been described as themost positive and friendly meeting for many
years. The result of the RSGBCouncil election was announced as
follows:For the three Ordinary vacancies -G R Morris, GW1ATZ,
received 695 votes; T I Lundegard, G3GJW, 1352 votes; JBazley,
G3HCT, 1355 votes; F S G Rose, G2DRT, 734 votes; J Greenwell,
G3AEZ,1322 votes. Messrs Lundegard, Bazley and Greenwell were
declared elected. Forthe vacancy in Zone D - P W Mayer, G0KKL,
received 66 votes and J N Gannaway,G3YGF, 215 votes. Mr Gannaway
was declared elected.Amongst the awards presented after the AGM
were the Founders Trophy forservices to the Society which went
to Roger Western, G3SXW, for his work priorto the RSGB Strategy
Conference, and three Certificates of Merit which went toPat
Hawker, G3VA for his contributions to amateur radio literature
for manyyears; to Kurt Davies, W8PTA, for assistance to the
Society at the DaytonHamvention; to Pop Seymour, G3GNS, for 25
years of slow Morse transmissions;and S H Foster, GI3GAL for 25
years reading the GB2RS bulletin. Four awardswent to the writers
of RadCom articles: The Ostermeyer Trophy was awarded toMike
Grierson, G3TSO, for A Miniature 80-metre SSB Transceiver;
theCourtney-Price Trophy to Les Moxon, G6XN, for All Band Beam
Antennas; theWortley-Talbot Trophy to Bob Rylatt, G3VXJ, for The
EXJAY Multiband AntennaSystem; and the Norman Keith Adams Prize
to Geoffrey Billington, G3EAE, for AnImpedance Diagram for
Transmission Lines. The Minutes of the AGM and a reporton the
nformal session will be published in Radio Communication as soon
asthey are available.The latest news on the Pentland South Pole
Expedition is that Sir RanulphFiennes and Dr Mike Stroud are
still on schedule, having walked more than 300miles across the
Antarctic to their present position which is 4,000 feet abovesea
level. Their sledges still weigh over 400lbs each but the
explorers' ownweight loss is still low at only about 7lbs each.
Radio links are good andVP8/GB4MSS is operating from the
expedition base location at 80 degrees 18minutes South, 81
degrees 21 minutes West at an altitude of 2,860 ft. Linksbetween
Antarctica and UK are OK. The Inmarsat satellite has been
accessiblefor 2 to 3 hours a day which is remarkable as no-one
has accessed Inmarsatthis far south before.Sheila Johnson,
G7GJC, daughter of Southampton GB2RS Newsreader Peter, G8LVCwill
be presented with her Duke of Edinburgh Gold Award at St James's
Palacethis Tuesday the 15th of December. Sheila sat the Radio
Amateur's Examination,as part of her training towards the award
which will be presented by His RoyalHighness the Prince Philip,
Duke of Edinburgh, KG, the Patron of the RSGB.There has been a
very encouraging response to the request in the December'sRadCom
and via GB2RS for Radio Amateur's views on a UK class of HF
licencewhich does not require a Morse qualification. Anyone who
has not yet respondedmay wish to read the article A Code-Free HF
Licence on page 7 of the Decemberedition of RadCom. Comments
should be sent to: The RSGB HF Committee via RSGBHQ, Lambda
House, Cranborne Road, Potters Bar, Herts EN6 3JE.The fault on
the Wrotham 144.925MHz Beacon, GB3VHF, has been traced to
theoutput amplifier, which is nearly 20 years old and is
probable beyond economicrepair. The beacon will now be operated
without it and is expected to be backon the air before the end
of the year. The power will, therefore, be reducedfrom 50 to 10
watts ERP until further notice.Now some items of HF DX news from
the weekly RSGB DX News Sheet which isedited by Brendan
McCartney, G4DYO. From Rotuma Island, 3D2AG, is active fromnow
until the end of December. From Costa Rica, N9IUO will sign
TI2IDX fromSaturday the 12th of December, until Wednesday the
6th of January 1993, on the10 to 160 metre bands using CW and
SSB. From Haiti, HH2PK is often active on160 metres from 0100 to
0300GMT on 1825kHz, CW or 1842kHz, SSB. From Aruba,P4/K5BDX will
be active from now, until next Tuesday the 15th of
December.------------------------------Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992
17:05:22 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv![e-mail]: TCP/IP
access on packet radio...To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Eric L. Beyer) writes:>
Okay, but how would I do that?  And does the IP address
necessarily have>   to change if I move to a different area?
Like if I wanted to read email>   from Florida instead of
NY?Because of current nameserver and router limitations, it's
best tohave an IP address that correlates with your RF
connectivity. Soyou need an IP address for every RF zone where
you wish to operate.This is a can of worms because of the
incomplete state of the amateurnetwork.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 13 Dec 92 01:12:07
GMTFrom: stanford.edu!apple![e-mail]: TCP/IP
access on packet radio...To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Eric L. Beyer) writes:>>-- >
  How exactly does direct telnet, ftp, etc. kind of access work
on packet>radio?  Is it like SLIP, where you're assigned an IP
address when you log>into the internet system, or does it work
some other way?You obtain an IP address from your local
coordinator. (I understand fromthe AMPRnet address coordinator
that an up-to-date list will be postedhere soon.) Your local
person will then update the hosts.net list that'sdistributed to
other TCPers in your area so that they know you exist.You can go
ahead and make connections as soon as you have your
address.73,Patty--
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    ::   Patty Winter N6BIS           Internet: [e-mail]
::             ::   Sunnyvale, California           AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
         ::
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------------------------------Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:28:42
GMTFrom: newsstand.cit.cornell.edu![e-mail]:
TCP/IP access on packet radio...To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Patty Winter)
writes:> In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Eric L. Beyer) writes:> >>
>-- > >   How exactly does direct telnet, ftp, etc. kind of
access work on packet> >radio?  Is it like SLIP, where you're
assigned an IP address when you log> >into the internet system,
or does it work some other way?> > You obtain an IP address from
your local coordinator. (I understand from> the AMPRnet address
coordinator that an up-to-date list will be posted> here soon.)
Your local person will then update the hosts.net list that's>
distributed to other TCPers in your area so that they know you
exist.> You can go ahead and make connections as soon as you
have your address.> > --   One last round of stupid questions
for now --   1) Once I have an IP assigned, are there any fees
associated with      accessing the SLIP link?   2) Is it
considered rude to be on that SLIP link for great lengths of
 time (an hour or so), which is average for IRC/Usenet (for me,
    anyway)?   3) Are there any restrictions on the kinds of
services I can use with      that link (other than the usage
restrictions inherent in using      packet at all)?   Thanks so
much for shedding some light,--  Eric L. Beyer  Proud owner of
his rusty A500  Paper pusher of Solaris Devlopment Group
([e-mail]) ------------------------------Date: Sat, 12
Dec 1992 17:07:51 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv![e-mail]: TCP/IP
information-  Thanks!  And some more questions.To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Patty Winter) writes:>>If there are TCP,
AX.25, and NET/ROM stations on the same frequency>(not very
likely! but I'm trying to make a point) you can have
multiple>sessions of different types open simultaneously.It's
not just likely, it's assured in our network. We do level 0
basedon terrain and connectivity, not protocol.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992
16:53:18 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv![e-mail]: TCP/IP
information-  Thanks!  And some more questions.To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ben Mehlman) writes:>Thanks to all who responded to my plea for
information on high speed  >tcp/ip.  You have all been very
helpful.>>I would like to hear any comments on the following.>>I
have decided that the first step is for me to purchase the
MFJ1270B  >TNC, as this seems to be popular and inexpensive.
More importantly,  >it seems to be compatible with the TAPR and
GRAPES modems.Good choice.>I am tempted to directly take the
plunge to the 9600 baud option, but  >I am not sure whether this
will ever be useful to me, because few  >people are using it.
If I can use it, I'll buy it.  Otherwise I am  >tempted to run
some tests at 1200, then make the jump directly to
>56K.Remember that at the higher speeds you *must* have a
partner withinrange or you'll have spent money for nothing. We
advise that peoplebuy our modems in pairs so they'll have at
least one other stationto communicate with.>If anyone can tell
me MFJs address and/or phone I would greatly  >appreciate it.On
casually flipping through QST I see that nearly every
amateurdealer carries MFJ products, and usually at a discount
over factorylist prices. I suggest that you contact your
favorite local hamdealer instead of being referred to him by the
factory. Buyingfactory direct isn't going to save you any
money.>I'd also like the address and phone for the GRAPES people
so I can  >ask them some questions about the 56K modem.  We
don't have a phone, we're a radio club. We do have a post
officebox. The address is:GRAPES Inc.P O Box 871Alpharetta, Ga
30239-0871One of the volunteers will check the mailbox at least
once a week.>Can anyone who is using the GRAPES modem let me
know what their  >equipment is and their experiences with
it??Naturally I'm biased. :-) I've assembled 5 of the kits. They
areeasy to assemble, easy to tune up, and easy to use. The
hardestproblems are in packaging the modem, no box or wiring
harness isprovided in the kit. I've seen several different
boxes, I use aBud chassis box with bottom cover. Your toughest
decision is whichdigital interface to use. Many people are using
the Ottawa PI cardplugged into the PC bus. Some people,
including me, are using theGracillis PacketTwin card plugged
into a PC. Some others are usingmodified and soupped up TNC2s,
the kit includes documentation onhow to do this. And a few are
using the Kantronics DataEngine orthe direct output of a
Macintosh serial port. Anything that candeal with 56 kb digital
bits can be made to work.>For starters, I would like to use my
Tempo 2M radio for the RF  >portion of the system.  This radio
has 10 watts output.  Will this be  >enough???This should be
adequate for local 1200 baud packet.>I live in Norwalk, CT (SW
corner of the state).  Can anyone tell me  >who I would have to
contact to find out about the local net here???I can't help with
this.>Next, I will need some software.  I assume I can
immediately use an  >ordinary terminal package to do ax.25 to
other stations with the  >1270.  For tcp/ip I need a router,
which I believe is provided by the  >KA9Q software, ie, the
software supports a serial interface to the  >TNC in KISS mode,
with my lan interfacing through an ethernet or SLIP  >port.  Is
this correct??Yes this is true. The KA9Q package offers full
support for ordinaryAX25, NET/ROM, and TCP/IP *simultaneously*
so it's the only softwareyou really need. But you can start with
an ordinary terminal emulatorpackage and the default firmware in
the TNC.>In order to do this I would have to run a PC dedicated
to just being  >a router???  I can do this, but I am interested
in running the TNC  >directly off my unix box, a NeXTStation.
Has anyone ported the KA9Q  >software to BSD unix or even to the
NeXT specifically??  If source is  >available, but not the port
I need, I would be willing to tackle this  >project and make my
results available to all.There are SysV and Linux ports, so BSD
shouldn't be that hard. However,it's much better to use a cheap
PC as your interface to the radio worldfrom your ethernet.
There's no point in attaching an expensive Unix boxthat already
has native TCP/IP to a radio and lightning attracting antenna.I
speak from experience, I lost a Unix box to this.>Are there any
other options besides the KA9Q software, and what are  >the
advantages/disadvantages of those options???If you want to run
IP over radio, there aren't any software alternativesto KA9Q in
one of it's many varients.>Last but not least:  I get the
frequency of my local net, get an ip  >address from the
coordinator, get the TNC, raido, and router all set  >up.  Now
what???  How do I find out who else is out there???One of the
things you'll get from your coordinator is a complete hosttable
for your area so you can connect to other hosts by name
ratherthan by IP number. So you'll automatically know who else
is active.Gary KE4ZV------------------------------Date: Sun, 13
Dec 92 00:19:02 GMTFrom:
pipex!warwick!nott-cs!unicorn.nott.ac.uk![e-mail]
ect: TCP/IP local cell nets?To: [e-mail] there
folks,With the current explosion of TCP/IP activity in our local
area (Nottingham),the possibility of setting up a series of
dedicated TCP/IP nodes for IP useonly has been mooted. This is
because of the poor coexistence of TCP/IPstations with vanilla
AX25 - when link layer conditions are poor, theNOS stations
usually use dynamic RTT timing and extend their retry times,
whileAX25 stations don't. It's therefore been mooted as a
possibility to implement alocal TCP/IP network, where a series
of TCP stations which can all hear eachother (important) link
through an IP router in a dual-port node, which thentrunks data
to a main network node over a second frequency, on a
non-userfrequency. This would be a kind of cellular network.Has
anyone had experience setting up this kind of network? Any
advice/warningsetc would be appreciated..TIA,Cheers, Mike+--
'with the lights out, it's less dangerous...'
--------------------------+\------ Mike Knell, Willoughby Hall,
University of Nottingham, IO92JX ------/ \  AMPRnet:
[e-mail] -=- Internet: [e-mail] /
\   JANET: [e-mail]   AX25:
G7GPA@GB7BAD.#23.GBR.EU   /   +---------------------------------
'oh well, whatever,
nevermind...'--+------------------------------Date: 13 Dec 92
05:25:31 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!stanford.edu!apple!winter@network.U
CSD.EDUTo: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: TCP/IP
information-  Thanks!  And some more questions.In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Patty Winter) writes:>>>>If there are TCP,
AX.25, and NET/ROM stations on the same frequency>>(not very
likely! but I'm trying to make a point) you can have
multiple>>sessions of different types open simultaneously.>>It's
not just likely, it's assured in our network. We do level 0
based>on terrain and connectivity, not protocol.Thanks for the
clarification, Gary. Here inhe Bay Area, the TCPersare on their
own frequency, as they seem to be in many areas. Patty--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::   Patty Winter N6BIS           Internet: [e-mail]
::             ::   Sunnyvale, California           AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
         ::
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------------------------------Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:00:25
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!jm
[e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: ICOM W2A &
IC-2SRA Packet Connection AnswerIn article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(GEORGE VOGEL) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (JT) writes:>|> In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jerry Bransford) writes:>|> >
(statements about waiting 5 minutes on the phone with ICOM
deleted)>|> >|> Originally I had written out quite a large,
detailed flame about ICOM, and how they have the poorest service
of ANY company I have had to call before.>|> >|> I won't go into
that, but it has been since January or February that I called,
and I am still steamed about it.  Let's just say I was too
harsh, so I restarted my article.>|> [stuff deleted]>|> JT>>>I
was initially frustrated at the difficulty in obtaining
accessories for the>W2A (no problem now), but it was a very
popular radio right off the bat.>>I'm just a satisfied customer,
as are a couple friends with the same radio,>and we all have
been very happy with them--Including a friend who was going>back
home to Japan, and had to have his radio modified first.  Icom
had it back>to him real quick.  I don't think your statements
are necessarily typical>of ICOM service at all.Well, that is
probably true, but I spoke to at least 4 different people in
different departments, and only one helped me, and that was
after I raised hell about it.the reason for my anger isn't all
of Icom's fault... it started with my local dealer.  I had
planned on buying the 2SRA before last christmas.  I told my
local dealer, who had them in stock, to hold one for me until
Monday (this was on Saturday, and they are closed on Sunday...
They were closing in ten minutes and there was no way I could
get to them that quick).Of course they sold all of them,
including the one on hold for me.Then I told them to hold
another for me when the next shipment came in, and they said
they'd call me when they did.  Well, I called off and on for
three weeks with no luck, until finally they said (paraphrased),
"Yeah, we got twenty in today, but there's only two left."  I
told them to hold another for me (since they didn't have one on
hold, and they never called me!) and I would come out to pick it
up, which I did.Within a week, the little antenna broke off for
the wide-RX side.  Of course, they weren't being stocked, and
the local store would have to order one for me... another couple
of weeks.So I called Icom and was on hold with the "please stay
on the line... your call will be answered in the order it was
received" message.  So I held... and held.. and hung up and
called another department.  He said he would have someone from
the department call me when they got back from lunch!  Why would
ANYBODY put that message on if the department is empty for lunch
hour??? The person calls me back and tells me they would call
the local dealer since she knew them personally and would see if
they could work something out, and then call me back to let me
know.  Well, a week goes by and no phone call.I call Icom back
and was told by the same person that the store should have
contacted me, but she would try again and call me back.  Another
week - no phone call.So I call them back AGAIN and get put on
hold with the same message.  After another long time, I called
that other department and raised hell with the guy... I
explained I wasn't mad at him, in fact he had been helpful (I
knew it wasn't his "department"), but I summarized how I had
spent over $700 (with accessories, mind you ;) on a radio that I
can only use half of, only to have it break within a week, and
this is after all the calls, etc...and yes, the other department
was "out to lunch" again!In response to what you said about the
quick turn around to modify the W2A for european use, I was told
that if the antenna jack was broken as a result of the antenna
breaking, it would take 3 to 4 weeks.  Hearing this, after only
owning the thing for less than 7 days and all the problems with
the dealer, added to my frustration.Thank god the local shop
regulary stocks them now, since I am on my fourth! ;)This wasn't
a flame directed at anybody specific, just at poor customer
relations.JT------------------------------Date: (null)From:
(null)Rally news now, there are three events we know of for
today, Sunday, the 13th:The Centre of England Christmas Radio,
Computer, Electronics andCommunications Rally is being held at
the National Motorcycle Museum, near theNational Exhibition
Centre, Birmingham. Take junction 6 off the M42 motorway.Doors
open at 11.00am or 10.30 for disabled visitors. There will be
tradestands and refreshments. There is ample car parking space.
Talk-in will be onchannel S22.The Leeds and District Amateur
Radio Society Rally is being held at the PudseyCivic Centre,
Dawsons Corner, Pudsey, Leeds. The Centre is located near
thejunction of the Leeds Outer Ring road with the Bradford road.
Doors open at10.45am and there will be all the usual
facilities.The Verulam Amateur Radio Club's Christmas Rally is
being held at theUniversity of Hertfordshire, formerly the
Hatfield Polytechnic which islocated just off the A1(M) and A414
South of the Hatfield tunnel. Doors openat 11.00am. There will
be the usual trade stands and a bring and buy stall. Asan added
attraction Robin Page-Jones, G3JWI, will be signing copies of
his newbook A Radio Amateur's Guide to EMC, published by the
RSGB.We know of no rallies for next weekend, Saturday the 19th,
and Sunday the 20thof December.Contest news:During this weekend
there is the ARRL 10 Metre Contest, from 0000  on Saturdaythe
12th, to 2400 on Sunday the 13th. See December's RadCom page 15
forfurther information. The next RSGB Contest is the 7MHz LF
Cumulative forSunday the 27th of December, from 1000 to 1200GMT.
See December's RadCom page62 for further details. On the VHF
front, the RSGB 70, 144 and 432MHz FixedStation Contest is
scheduled to run from Saturday the 26th, to Tuesday the29th of
December. See July RadCom for further detailsAnd now the solar
factual data:As expected, the period from the 30th of November
to the 6th of December hasseen a decline in spot counts and
solar flux levels, due to the quiet side ofthe sun looking our
way. Despite this, there have been 4 M type flares withthe
biggest being an M2.6/1N on the 30th of November. There have
been a numberof short wave fade outs, but at most each one only
lasted a few minutes. Spotcounts meaned at only 97, and solar
flux levels averaged 126 units, decliningfrom 140 down to 116
over the period. The geomagnetic Ap index declined fromvery
unsettled, down to quiet over the period and averaged 12.8
units. Thestate has been nil, nothing to report, throughout the
period. The radioquality indices started well above normal on
the 30th of November with theStavanger circuit being up to
excellent, but a steady decline set in, reducinglevels to well
below normal by the 4th of December, with the Tokyo, New
York,and Boulder circuits being very poor. A slow recovery was
taking place by the6th with levels almost back to normal. The aa
indices, as supplied by theBritish Geological Survey for the
period 24th to 30th of November, were downto very quiet with the
daily averages being only 17.1 nanoTeslas about K2.Some periods
were down to only 2 nanoTeslas. Bartells rotation 2177 starts
onDecember 17th, and the Geminids meteor shower started on the
7th and continuestill the 16th with the peak being today the
13th.Now the ionospheric data for Central France:The F2 daytime
critical frequencies at Poitiers as reported by Meudon
averaged10.9MHz, and the darkness hour lows 3.2MHz. There has
been some spread F atodd times, and on the 6th some blanketing
E.Now the ionospheric data for the north:The F2 daytime critical
frequencies at Ekaterinberg averaged 8.8MHz, thoughthey declined
from 9.6MHz down to 7.6MHz by the 3rd, but had recovered
to9.4MHz by the 6th. The darkness hour lows averaged 3.0MHz.
I'll repeat thefigures. Highs - 8.8 MHz; lows - 3.0 MHz.And
lastly the solar forecast:This week, the more active side of the
sun will be coming into view, solarflux levels are expected to
be about the 130s and geomagnetic activity isexpected to be
quiet. MUFs during daylight are expected to reach 30MHz, andthe
darkness hour lows about 18MHz.And that's the end of the solar
information.Finally in the main news, SSL, has informed the
Society that as of lastWednesday morning, the latest callsigns
issued were in the G0 S T andG7 N X series, and Novice calls in
the 20 A E and 21 B H series.You're listening to GB2RS, the news
broadcasting service of the Radio Societyof Great Britain,
transmitting in the 80, 40, 6 and 2 metre
bands.------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #336******************************Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92
04:30:02 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #337To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
14 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  337Today's Topics:     HAM
CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT DOWN (2 msgs)
  KISS and RSPF protocol definitions/descriptions
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-----------Date: 10 Dec 92 22:09:36 +1700From:
newsfeed.rice.edu!lub001.lamar.edu![e-mail].e
duSubject: HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT
DOWNTo: [e-mail]'ve recieved an overwhelming
number of responses to my post about shuttingdown the HAM
Connection BBS.  I have to frankly agree with the majority -why
let one person ruin it and why shut it down?  That's right, I'll
just haveto deal with that person and make sure that person
knows that it isn't acceptable to admonish people who try to
help others.  That I can accomplishwith his System Admin. if
need arises.  I can very well take constructivecriticism, but
not the un-constructive type I was used to receiving every timeI
mentioned the availability of the HAM Connection BBS.  I will
not mentionthat persons' name on the net, but I hope he is well
aware that his postingwill not continue like in the past.This is
like a see-saw, but the HAM Connection BBS will not be shutting
down.I am perfectly within the guideline of USENET with my posts
- it is non-commercial and of interest to ham radio operators.
I just thank all thosewho responded and gave advice.  I was
suprised, really suprised.  The HAM Connection BBS will stay
Online as advertised earlier and not shutdown.  Happy Holidays
all and 73,N5UYH Grady------------------------------Date: Sun,
13 Dec 1992 18:56:13 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis!pschleck@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT
TO SHUT DOWNTo: [e-mail]@lub001.lamar.edu
writes:>I've recieved an overwhelming number of responses to my
post about shutting>down the HAM Connection BBS.  I have to
frankly agree with the majority ->why let one person ruin it and
why shut it down?  That's right, I'll just have>to deal with
that person and make sure that person knows that it isn't
>acceptable to admonish people who try to help others.  That I
can accomplish>with his System Admin. if need arises.  I can
very well take constructive>criticism, but not the
un-constructive type I was used to receiving every time>I
mentioned the availability of the HAM Connection BBS.  I will
not mention>that persons' name on the net, but I hope he is well
aware that his posting>will not continue like in the past.If you
won't mention his name, I will :-).  Let me introduce myself
tothe net, I am Paul Schleck, the accused.  My sysadmin is a
busy typewho, in the absence of any illegal action or use in
conflict with UNOand NSF guidelines, will generally say, "Fight
your own litle turfbattles."  Suffice to say, I won't be sending
Grady any more E-mail.What I have to say on the net is quite
another matter.>This is like a see-saw, but the HAM Connection
BBS will not be shutting down.>I am perfectly within the
guideline of USENET with my posts - it is non->commercial and of
interest to ham radio operators.  I just thank all those>who
responded and gave advice.  I was suprised, really suprised.>
>The HAM Connection BBS will stay Online as advertised earlier
and not shut>down.  >Happy Holidays all and 73,>N5UYH
GradyThanks for continuing to provide the services that you do.
I'd reallylike to try out your BBS and see for myself,
unfortunately anyoneattempting to register as "PAUL SCHLECK"
gets a nasty message and adisconnect.73, Paul W. Schleck,
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 13
Dec 1992 16:51:50 -0700From:
saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!gag.com!not-for-ma
[e-mail]: KISS and RSPF protocol
definitions/descriptionsTo:
[e-mail][e-mail] (Kevin Purcell, Rho)
writes:> Where can I find the definitions of the KISS and RSPF
protocols in > either printed or electronic form?KISS is
documented in an appendix of the userman.doc manual for pre-NOS
NET,which can be found among other places on col.hp.com in
packet/890421.1.The RSPF doc is floating around somewhere on
col.hp.com, as well.Bdale,
N3EUA------------------------------Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:35:14
PSTFrom:
pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!beagle![e-mail]
ct: TAPR numberTo: [e-mail] am looking for the
TAPR number.  I understand that they sell circuit boards for TNC
and modems for packet use.  Thanks------------Jim Chandler,
KD6IRVsactoh0!beagle!chandler------------------------------Date:
Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:33:28 GMTFrom:
newsstand.cit.cornell.edu![e-mail]:
TAPR numberTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Chandler)
writes:> I am looking for the TAPR number.  I understand that
they sell circuit > boards for TNC and modems for packet use.
Thanks> > ------------> Jim Chandler, KD6IRV>
sactoh0!beagle!chandler--   Could somebody post that number
publicly?  I too would like information  on TNCs.. Thanks..
Also, what is the difference between a TNC and a modem designed
for  packet use?  Thanks again..--  Eric L. Beyer  Proud owner
of his rusty A500  Paper pusher of Solaris Devlopment Group
([e-mail]) ------------------------------Date: 14 Dec 92
09:01:28 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!enterpoop.mit.edu!
snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ai-lab!hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu![e-mail]
SD.EDUSubject: TAPR numberTo: [e-mail]
Amateur Packet RadioP.O. Box 12925Tucson, AZ 85732-2925Phone:
602-749-9479FAX:   [phone]Office Hours: Tuesday - Friday
10:00AM - 3:00PM MST(Source: Packet Status Register, July,
1992)------------------------------Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992
22:55:10 GMTFrom:
sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu![e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>-sSubject : Re: ICOM W2A &
IC-2SRA Packet Connection AnswerIn article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (JT) writes:>>Never call a
dealer near closing time. They want to go home too, and
will>brush you off as quickly as possible, unless you get the
owner.C'mon... they are only open for 3 or 4 hours on Saturday.
Asking some guy to scribble a note down saying "Hold for JT"
isn't too much to ask, even if they guy gets off work in ten
minutes.  Hell, the thing was two feet in front of him in the
glass case.>Trusting soul aren't you. :-)>I'd mark this dealer
off my good list, if they failed to keep their word>on a regular
basis.Only one within an hours drive of my house... I only speak
to a couple different people that work there... there are a few
that are wizzes, but that guy had no clue.>Number one rule of
dealing with tech support, never call around lunch time.>Either
you won't get an answer, or you'll get a quick, and perhaps
wrong,>answer from the person with the growling stomach. A real
live person>answering the phone would know that it was lunchtine
and tell you to>call back. They should have a message on their
automated system too,>but you know how that is, the "computer"
can't do that. Of course it>can, but it requires someone smarter
than it is to program it to do so,>and the MIS backlog on
feature requests is currently 2.5 years. :-(>>and yes, the other
department was "out to lunch" again!>>Slow learner eh?The first
time I called they were out to lunch, and I was so pissed I made
sure I didn't call them back during their lunch time (I called
around 12:30 my time in Ohio, and they are in Washington I
think) the next time... but they still weren't in.>I've
completely stopped doing business with some firms because of
this. If they >don't need my business enough to answer their
phones with real people, or >at least have ring through lines to
key departments, then I don't need to >do business with them.
There's nothing more annoying than sitting on a long >distance
call, being forced to listen to an elevator music station in
some >distant city for tens of minutes, only to discover your
call needs to be >transfered to a different desk and sitting
through the process again. That's >what live operators are for,
to figure out who a customer really needs to >talk to and either
connecting them or taking their number and arranging for>them to
be called back at an agreed time.I agree completely!>We
installed one of these systems at my company, but have now gone
back>to live operators. As our sales manager put it, "The person
whose time>and good will are most important to the business is
the customer. Put>the CEO on hold if you must, but service that
customer's call immediately.">Now that's the kind of attitude
that generates repeat business.I can't remember which company I
was dealing with, but I remember getting a bogus item once and
instantly thought of the headaches.  The company was very NICE
and helpful, and saw to it I had it taken care of.That kind of
policy makes me think more of a company than if I had just
brought it home and it worked fine (providing the replacement
wasn't defective too ;)73,JT(btw, followups to email... I think
we've gotten a little off the packet topic
;)------------------------------Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:26:14
GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!wa4mei!kd4nc!ke4zv![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] (Gary Coffman)Subject : Re: ICOM W2A & IC-2SRA
Packet Connection AnswerIn article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (JT) writes:>the reason for
my anger isn't all of Icom's fault... it started with my local
>dealer.  I had planned on buying the 2SRA before last
christmas.  I told my >local dealer, who had them in stock, to
hold one for me until Monday (this >was on Saturday, and they
are closed on Sunday... They were closing in ten >minutes and
there was no way I could get to them that quick).Never call a
dealer near closing time. They want to go home too, and
willbrush you off as quickly as possible, unless you get the
owner.>Of course they sold all of them, including the one on
hold for me.>Then I told them to hold another for me when the
next shipment came in, and >they said they'd call me when they
did.  Well, I called off and on for three >weeks with no luck,
until finally they said (paraphrased), "Yeah, we got >twenty in
today, but there's only two left."  I told them to hold another
>for me (since they didn't have one on hold, and they never
called me!) and >I would come out to pick it up, which I
did.Trusting soul aren't you. :-)I'd mark this dealer off my
good list, if they failed to keep their wordon a regular
basis.>So I called Icom and was on hold with the "please stay on
the line... your >call will be answered in the order it was
received" message.  So I held... >and held.. and hung up and
called another department.  He said he would have >someone from
the department call me when they got back from lunch!  Why would
>ANYBODY put that message on if the department is empty for
lunch hour??? Number one rule of dealing with tech support,
never call around lunch time.Either you won't get an answer, or
you'll get a quick, and perhaps wrong,answer from the person
with the growling stomach. A real live personanswering the phone
would know that it was lunchtine and tell you tocall back. They
should have a message on their automated system too,but you know
how that is, the "computer" can't do that. Of course itcan, but
it requires someone smarter than it is to program it to do
so,and the MIS backlog on feature requests is currently 2.5
years. :-(>So I call them back AGAIN and get put on hold with
the same message.  After >another long time, I called that other
department and raised hell with the >guy... I explained I wasn't
mad at him, in fact he had been helpful (I knew >it wasn't his
"department"), but I summarized how I had spent over $700 (with
>accessories, mind you ;) on a radio that I can only use half
of, only to have >it break within a week, and this is after all
the calls, etc...>>and yes, the other department was "out to
lunch" again!Slow learner eh?>This wasn't a flame directed at
anybody specific, just at poor customer relations.Well they
should have a better phone system. Replacing live operators
withmachinery has angered many customers. This is not just Icom
either, it'sa problem with many businesses. At least you can get
through to the rightpeople at Icom if you call at a reasonable
hour (IE not lunchtime). With Kenwood's system, you'll be lucky
to ever talk to a live human being. I've completely stopped
doing business with some firms because of this. If they don't
need my business enough to answer their phones with real people,
or at least have ring through lines to key departments, then I
don't need to do business with them. There's nothing more
annoying than sitting on a long distance call, being forced to
listen to an elevator music station in some distant city for
tens of minutes, only to discover your call needs to be
transfered to a different desk and sitting through the process
again. That's what live operators are for, to figure out who a
customer really needs to talk to and either connecting them or
taking their number and arranging forthem to be called back at
an agreed time.We installed one of these systems at my company,
but have now gone backto live operators. As our sales manager
put it, "The person whose timeand good will are most important
to the business is the customer. Putthe CEO on hold if you must,
but service that customer's call immediately."Now that's the
kind of attitude that generates repeat business.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #337******************************Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92
04:30:03 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #338To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
15 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  338Today's Topics:
3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.radio.info moderated
        BayPac TNC/Modem                      BPQ4.06a and
ARESdata 1.5                    Groups in Northern New Jersey
     HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT DOWN
     high-speed RF modems on half duplex links
IP Address assignment in Bay Area
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-----------Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:22:51 -0500From:
[e-mail]: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK:
rec.radio.info moderatedTo: [e-mail] is the 3rd
CALL FOR VOTES for the creation of the rec.radio.info
newsgroup.At the end of this article is a list of blind tallies,
acknowledging thereception of your votes as of Midnight Saturday
December 5 Central StandardTime. If you are not in the list, and
have sent in a vote before that time,please resend your vote.
The RFD was first posted on 28 October 1992, theoriginal CFV was
posted on 23 November 1992 and the 2nd CFV was posted onDecember
1st. Voting has started, and will end on December 23, 1992 at
23:59 GMT.  Votesshould be mailed as follows(*):Yes (create
rec.radio.info, as proposed): [e-mail] or
[e-mail] (do not create):              [e-mail] or
[e-mail] is not important (at least on the receiving
end). (* Voting mailboxes are amateur radio Q-codes for mnemonic
purposes.QSL = acknowledged, also loosely yes or affirmative.
QRT = cease transmission,also loosely no, "nix" or "86").Votes
that are posted or mailed to me will not be counted.  Message
bodies willbe ignored for tallying purposes.Moderator at
creation will be [e-mail] (Mark Gregory
Salyzyn)using the address [e-mail] for
postings, [e-mail] for
administrative requests. Note thatthe domain address of
ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca is replacing the ve6mgs.ampr.orgdomain for
reliability in mail forwarding.Regular posters to this group
will be deputized to moderator status to providetimeliness,
reliability and to keep the load down on the chief
moderator.There is no archive site arranged at the moment,
however,[e-mail] has offered a site once
installed in the comingmonth. We also need a BITNET Listserver
gateway if anyone is interested insupplying one. Any offers to
help moderate, gateway or archive this new group,if the vote
passes, can be made to [e-mail]
[e-mail] see the pertinent postings in
news.answers and news.announce.newgroupsfor the rules that will
be followed in creating a newsgroup.------- Charter
--------Newsgroup:    rec.radio.info
(moderated)/usr/lib/news/newsgroups
entry:    rec.radio.info    Informational postings related to
radio.Charter:    To provide high quality, informational postings
about radio.  This    group will take cross-postings, or moderated
postings from the regular    discussion streams to alleviate the
traffic, over expensive links, in    these groups by allowing the
news transfer mechanism to drop articles    cross posted to
rec.radio.info. Postings in the entire rec.radio.*    hierarchy
that the moderator(s) feel as informational, however, are    likely
candidates for cross posting or re-posting. Also by placing
the    informational postings in this group, make it easier for
many to find    radio related information.    By maintaining a high
level of quality in the postings, it is hoped    that these
postings may end up, at least more conveniently, in
various    archive sites, or possibly over the Amateur Radio Packet
BBS network    as well.    By using a self-moderator scheme, the hopes
are that many of the    postings will maintain timeliness, and good
propagation through the    computer networks.-------- Blind Tally,
vote acknowledgements ------->From:    Paul W Schleck KD3FU
<[e-mail]>There should be 204 unique votes
here, received as of 2359 CST Saturday,December 5 (0559 GMT
Sunday, December 6).73, Paul, KD3FU"39A::MUSCHINSKE"
<[e-mail]>"Allen L.
Spruill" <[e-mail]>"Andre' V. Thomas"
<[e-mail]>"Bill Frangos"
<[e-mail]>"Dana H. Myers"
<[e-mail]>"David B. Horvath, CDP"
<[e-mail]>"Dr.K.Krallis - Epsilon Software
S.A." <[e-mail]>"Eric J. Olson"
<[e-mail]>"Eric T. Lane"
<[e-mail]>"Henry T. Rand" (AED-FD)
<[e-mail]>"Howard Wachtel [phone]"
<[e-mail]>"Jack C. LOCKHART"
<[e-mail]>"Jason Berri"
<[e-mail]>"Jeffrey D. Angus"
<[e-mail]>"Josh Cockey"
<[e-mail]>"Julian Lorkin"
<[e-mail]>"Loren Thompson"
<[e-mail]>"Peter Gray [MFCF]"
<[e-mail]>"Peter Koch"
<[e-mail]>"Sid B. Bernstein"
(AED-EWD) <[e-mail]>"Thomas W. Strong, Jr."
<[e-mail]><sapnet![e-mail]>[e-mail]
an Cunningham <[e-mail]>andrew dalton
<[e-mail]>andrew m. boardman
<[e-mail]>ANDY GARDNER
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Andrew Finkenstadt)B.J.  25-Nov-1992 0931
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Harry
Bartholomew)[e-mail] (Brian J.
Catlin)[e-mail] Billson
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Barrie
Britton)[e-mail] (Bob Wilkins
n6fri)[e-mail]@netcom.com (Chris
Capener)[e-mail]@ipld01.hac.com (Aviram
Carmi)[e-mail] (Carl Rigney)Charles Shub
<[e-mail]>Chris Cox  W0/G4JEC
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]
.comCraig Bender <renfield![e-mail]>Craig Lemon
VE3XCL <lemsys![e-mail]>[e-mail] (Craig
Cherry)crash!pnet01![e-mail][e-mail]
("Bunji Yamamoto")Dale Mosby
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (dale
jensrud)[e-mail] (Dan Lawrence)Dave M. Ihle
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Dave
Horsfall)[e-mail] (David Dodell)[e-mail] (Daniel
D. Todd)[e-mail] (Ben Delisle)Dennis Brennan
<[e-mail]>Dieter Lindig
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Diana L.
Carlson)[e-mail] (Donald R. Newcomb)Doug
Collinge - VE7GNU
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]_Crompton@mind
link.bc.ca (Doug Crompton)dsinc!bcccix!jfish (John
Fish)[e-mail] (Steven
Aquilina)[e-mail] (Ed
Naratil)[e-mail]@arrl.org (Ed Hare -
KA1CV)[e-mail] (Ed
McGuire)[e-mail]@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A.
Uy)freyr![e-mail] (Phillip Akers)[e-mail]
(Aaron Priven)[e-mail]@pauling.inel.gov (Geoff
Allen)Gerben 'P' Vos <[e-mail]>[e-mail] (John
Schmidt)[e-mail] (Gregory G.
Woodbury)[e-mail] (Gerald J Kersus +1 908 949
9511)Graham Rule
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Tracy K. Wood/KD0UP)gtephx![e-mail] (Jim
Black)[e-mail] (Niclas Andersson El3a - HFB
gy91)[e-mail] (Edward Haymore)I've got a
pocket full of kryptonite
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Ian
Phillipps)[e-mail] (Ian
Kluft)[e-mail] (Martha Rapp)Jay Maynard
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Jim
Britain)[e-mail] (Jeffrey Cours)Jeff Tucker
N9HZQ <[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(jeff bamford)[e-mail] (John
Jensen)[e-mail] (Jim Freund)[e-mail] (John
Harkin)[e-mail] (Jonathan C. Higbee)Jim -- DTN
223-5747 -- MLO5-2/13A
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Jim
Curran)[e-mail] (John Covington WN4BBJ)Joe
Dubner <[e-mail]>Joel B Levin
<[e-mail]>John Flowers
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (John
Opalko)[e-mail] Bradshaw x5558
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] Poeldvere
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Julian
Macassey)[e-mail] (Jerry
Weiss)[e-mail][e-mail]
[e-mail] (Kai Altenfelder)[e-mail]
(Kyle Barger)kd4jml.ampr.org![e-mail] of the
tone <[e-mail]>Kevin Purcell (Rho)
<[e-mail]>Kevin Sanders
<[e-mail]>[e-mail].E
DU (Kevin Feeney)[e-mail] (K.R.Findlay
Ed.S.)[e-mail] (Gregory R.
LaBorde)[e-mail] (Lee
Ziegenhals)[e-mail] (Larry G
Biedenweg)[e-mail] (Louis A. Mamakos)Lyndon
Nerenberg <[e-mail]>Maggie Donovan
<[e-mail]>[e-mail],mark@ve6
mgs.ampr.org (Mark G. Salyzyn, VE6MGS)Martyn Johnson
<[e-mail]>Mathieu J. Maessen
<[e-mail]>Matthew Daniels
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]@
aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)Michael Quinn
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Mike
Freeman)[e-mail] (Milton
Miller)[e-mail] (Mike Johnston)[e-mail]
(Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)Moss Owen Jacobson
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (matt payne)MRO1-3/C6
dtn 297-9029 <[e-mail]>[e-mail]
(Michael S Shappe)[e-mail] (Michael
R. Zeug)N.Kaiya <[e-mail]>Nigel Allen
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Orville Beach
(MIS))[e-mail]@[e-mail]
[e-mail]@umunhum.stanford.edu (Paul
Flaherty)[e-mail] Hayward
<[e-mail]>Peter Laws N5UWY
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Tiffany
Keller)pseudo![e-mail] (Murray Nesbitt)Ralf Begemann
<fhlip!c52514>[e-mail] (Dan Meyer)Rami Zureick
<[e-mail]>RAVEN Winter
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Robert F. Casey)Rich
<ntksun1!necis.ma.nec.com![e-mail]>rich@wilpat.w
ilpaterson.edu (RICHARD)richard nimtz
<[e-mail]>Richard Victor
<[e-mail]>Rick Ellis
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Richard
H. Miller)[e-mail] (Richard McCombs
KB5SNF)Risto Kotalampi <[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Roberta
L Taylor)Robert Fargher <[e-mail]>Roger Bielefeld
<[e-mail]>Ron Buckmire
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]
()rosedale![e-mail] (Dave Breneman)[e-mail]
(Russell McFatter)[e-mail] (Ross
Alexander)[e-mail]@charon.dseg.ti.com (Steve
Brown)[e-mail] (John
Schubert)[e-mail] (M. Squicciarini)Soda Stereo!
<[e-mail]>Stephen Hebditch
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Steve
Schallehn)[e-mail] (Steve Urich)[e-mail] (Bob
Stratton)sunriv![e-mail] Maton - Construction
Engineering Assistant
<[e-mail]>testnet![e-mail]
subramanian <[e-mail]>Thomas Alan
Dockstader <[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Jorma
M{ntyl{)Tom Limoncelli <[e-mail]>UNB
Amateur Radio
<[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Clement
Vaillancourt 514-652-8238)[e-mail] (Michael Reagan
(MREAGAN))vogon1!compnect!frackit![e-mail] (Dave
Ratcliffe)[e-mail]@kingkong.escape.de (Ulf
Bahrenfuss)Will Marchant
<[e-mail]>William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14
[e-mail] (Willis
Marti)[e-mail]@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Conway
Yee)Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark
-sk-------------------------------Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992
12:24:51 GMTFrom:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!klaava![e-mail]:
BayPac TNC/ModemTo: [e-mail] have three questions
about the BayPac TNC:    1. From where can I order one?    2. Is it a
kit?    3. Will it work with any terminal emulator, or is       there
specific software that will run on a
Macintosh?///////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//////////////////  Patrick M. Stickler  KC4YYY, OH2LUV    The
comments contained herein  WSOY - Information Systems Division
 do not necessarily reflect the  Helsinki, FINLAND
([e-mail])    official views of my
employer.////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/////////////////------------------------------Date: Mon, 14 Dec
1992 18:57:26 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!kilroy![e-mail]
bject: BPQ4.06a and ARESdata 1.5To: [e-mail],I'm
having problems configuring BPQ and ARES properly.I get to the
point where the ARES startup in BPQ, but I am unable to
connectthru the TNC port.  The BPQ4.06a does not recognize the
dedhosfe supplied withthe ARESdata, so I tried the dedhost
supplied with BPQ and I was able to get tothe point where the
ARESdata is polling the serial port for connects.  However,I
tried connecting to the ARESdata and it would send back a reply
saying allports are busy.Has anyone successfully configured the
ARESdata and BPQ4.06 to work correctly?I've run out of ideas.Any
help would be appreciated.Thanx in advance,==> jim.James T.
Szeto            ( KC6WIK )   | Internet:
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    ------------------------------Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:21:44
GMTFrom: psinntp!panix![e-mail]: Groups in
Northern New JerseyTo: [e-mail] Radio Amateur
Telecommunications Society (RATS), an ARRLSpecial Service Club,
meets on the second Thursday of each month at theWendy's
restaraunt on Route 46 West in Little Falls (West Paterson),
alittle West of the Routes 3 and 46 merge.  Members begin to
arrive around6:45 PM, and the program begins at 7:45 PM.
Informatl talk-in is on the145.19 MHz (-600) K2AQG Repeater in
Montclair.RATS is very active in packet radio.  We also
participate in contesting,public service, education, and other
aspects of Amateur Radio.If you have any questions feel free to
give me a call!73, Andy    Vice Chair (and Chair-elect)    Radio
Amateur Telecommunications Society (RATS)    Voice:
718-956-0027--     Andrew Funk, KB7UV
Internet: [e-mail]    ENG Editor/Microwave
     Packet: kb7uv@kb7uv.#nli.ny.usa    WCBS-TV Channel 2 News
                   BBS:
718-956-7133------------------------------Date: 14 Dec 92
13:22:00 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hpbs938.boi.hp.com!phant!ron.smith@ne
twork.UCSD.EDUSubject: HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO
SHUT DOWNTo: [e-mail]:
[e-mail]-ID:
<[e-mail]>Date: 10 Dec 92 22:09:36
+1700Organization: Lamar University - BeaumontIn the message
From: [e-mail] To: All dated 08:58 - 12-14-92
regarding HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT, it was said...L>This is
like a see-saw, but the HAM Connection BBS will not be
L>shutting down.Good on you!  (Insert bells, whistles, and
fireworks here)I've lost the number - could you please post it
again?[e-mail]%phant%hpbs
[e-mail]--- . WinQwk 2.0 a#0 . Unregistered
Evaluation Copy
------------------------------Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:28:31
GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!nott!dgbt![e-mail]:
high-speed RF modems on half duplex linksTo:
[e-mail] posted this last week, but later noticed
that my newsreader was quietlydefaulting to local distribution
when posting followups :-(, so here 'tisagain:In
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(C.E. Piggott ) writes:>I have a datacomm question with regard
to high-speed modems like the GRAPES>(56 kbps) design.  When it
comes to actual implementation, if you're using>these modems for
high-speed point-to-point links, I can see where it's>worthwhile
to go to a fast modem.  However, it appears that most of
the>hardware that supports these high-speed devices (including
the NOS drivers>that support DMA) are half-duplex.>Once you get
outside of the engineering labs and the text books, what is>the
real performance gain of high-speed modems in the CSMA
environment?>Even if a radio takes 10 milliseconds to be on
frequency (FAST for ham>equipment), it still takes a modem a
finite amount of time to acquire>the rx signal and then recover
clock.  If you are sending "typical" ham>packets (let's say, for
the purpose of this discussion <1k), then you>are sending for
less than 150 milliseconds at 56 kbps.  That's not very>long.
Can anybody quote how much time it takes for the modem clocks
to>lock and be ready to send data, from the time the squelch
opens?>Is the CSMA environment what these modems are designed
for, or are they>really intended for point-to-point so-called
"backbone" links?We have had a 56 kbps CSMA MAN operating in
Ottawa for 3 years, and I canattest to the fact that the GRAPES
modem is an excellent performer in thisenvironment.  The first
step is to put up a full-duplex repeater so thatyou have true
CSMA rather than aloha.  Although it increases the delaythrough
the repeater somewhat, we chose to do bit regeneration in
therepeater.  One of the keys to minimizing the time between
asserting RTSand getting good data out the rf end is to arrange
that the transmit sideof the modem runs continuously, and only
key the external up-converter.This typically brings the keyup
time down to less than 1 ms.  Thedemodulator locks up in 3-4 ms.
 We use 10 ms txdelay, which is more thanenough time to allow
the tx to key up, the repeater rx to lock up, therepeater tx to
key up, and the far end rx to lock up.  This is prettysmall
overhead with the packet sizes typically used for file
transfers(>1 kbytes)... of course, telnet is a different story,
but it's not bad ifyou can keep it in line mode.We've discussed
trying some collision detection schemes, but we're notconvinced
it would buy us much in the way of increased performance,
andwe're pretty happy with the way it works now.  56 kbps is a
nice speedfor CSMA using conventional modulation techniques...
if you go muchhigher, you run into increased multipath problems
(not to mention theincreased overhead penalty).C'mon in, the
water's fine... :-)Barry VE3JF-- Barry McLarnon
|  Internet: [e-mail] Research Center  |
AMPRnet:  [e-mail], Canada  K2H 8S2
 |  PBBSnet:
ve3jf@ve3jf.#eon.on.can------------------------------Date: 14
Dec 92 19:33:24 GMTFrom:
charon.amdahl.com!amdahl!JUTS![e-mail]: IP
Address assignment in Bay AreaTo: [e-mail]'m the
proud owner of a AEA TNC with KISS mode and I'm anxious to build
a TCP/IP packet node on 2 meters. Could anybody help with the
following:1) Who assigns IP addresses in the San Francisco Bay
Area, and how do I get one?2) Where can I get KA9Q TCP/IP
software for a PC clone?3) What pitfalls should I be aware
of?------------------------------Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:04:42
PSTFrom:
pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!beagle![e-mail]
ct: KA9QTo: [e-mail] am looking for the
source/executables for the KA9Q TCP/IP stuff.  I am interested
not only in ham specific files, but also the complete release
that has the ethernet drivers and documentation with it.  Does
anyone know where I can find this?  I do not have internet
access so it needs to be a BBS.  Thanks for your
help.------------Jim Chandler,
KD6IRVsactoh0!beagle!chandler------------------------------Date:
Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:28:03 GMTFrom:
spillman![e-mail]: Linux-based KA9Q-NOSTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> A7AM <[e-mail]>
writes:>Greetings,>For those who might be interested in,
especially for a-kevinp@>microsoft.com, here are the
addresses:>1. the latest version of WAMPES at
ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/>   tcpip/wampes;>2.
nic.funet.fi/pub/OS/Linux/util/tcpip/ka9q.>I got the latest
version of WAMPES src from ucsd.edu, and just for
yourinformation: It has only been tested on HP-UX (HP's variant
of UNIX).You must have HP's supplied TCP/IP software or you're
in for a lot ofhacking to get it to work (include files will be
missing...). It has some enhancements so it will compile on SUN,
but according to the notes,these had not been tested.  To
restate: I found WAMPES is not a 'generic' UNIX implementation
of NOS.                              ---That doesn't mean that if your ambitious
enough you shouldn't try to getit running on your variant of
UNIX.  I looked at these problems anddecided I didn't have
enough time to tackle it at this time. One of thereasons I
wanted it was becuase we have an HP-UX machine here, but
noTCP/IP software/hardware for it, so I thought that this would
be a quick and dirty way to get a SLIP connection to it, so it
could be on our network.Well... To make a long story short, We
are still running the old KA9Q NET (890421), which did compile
without too much trouble on several of our UNIX machines (HP-UX
and an old AT&T 3B2).  I was looking to replace it, becuase
there have been a lot of enhancements since that version, BUT (I
hope I'm wrong here) there no longer seems to be an up-to-date
version of KA9Q NET/NOS for (generic) UNIX machines.--Bruce
[e-mail]
...!uunet!spillman!bruce------------------------------Date: 10
Dec 92 17:30:06 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: PA
internet connectionTo: [e-mail] ham visiting AZ
just heard about the internet and would like to know ifanyone
knows of a ham to internet connection in the Altoona, PA
area.He'll be here for a week or so and I'll pass on the info.
Thanks.
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             *      *
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------------------------------Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:09:34
GMTFrom: gecko![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: TCP/IP
access on packet radio...In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Eric L. Beyer) writes:>In
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Mark Lanzo) writes:>> In article
<[e-mail]> writes:>> >   How
exactly does direct telnet, ftp, etc. kind of access work on
packet>> >radio?  Is it like SLIP, where you're assigned an IP
address when you log>> >into the internet system, or does it
work some other way?>> >> You must get an IP address(es)
assigned to you.  ...>> .. Probably someone >> in your area
coordinates this and will give you an IP address.  Best bet>> is
to log into one of the local packet stations which is running>>
some form of NOS and leave a message to the sysop asking where>>
he got his address from.>> >> Note that machines which accept IP
connections normally also accept>> straight AX.25 connections,
so if you are just trying to *connect*>> to another node which
is running IP protocols, then you don't have>> to do anything
special, and IP addresses never come into the picture.>> Since
you mention telnet & ftp though I assume that you are actually>>
running some form of NOS at your end, so you'll need to get an>>
IP address before you can go any further.>> >   Okay, but how
would I do that?  And does the IP address necessarily have>   to
change if I move to a different area? Like if I wanted to read
email>   from Florida instead of NY?As I previously mentioned,
the only help I can offer here is that youshould log on to a
station running TCP/IP (using a straight AX.25connection!) and
ask the station operator how he got his IP addr assigned.Or ask
at a local club meeting or something ...In theory, your IP
address should not have to change; but in practiceI believe it
almost certainly will.  At least locally, our IP addressesare
subclassed on geographic location, although I gather that
thereasons for this may have had nothing to do with any sort of
technicalissue ('nuff said there).          73  --Mark Lanzo--
KD4QLZ
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 14 Dec 92
15:44:29 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!cs.utexa
s.edu!torn!nott!dgbt!dgbt.doc.ca![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: TCP/IP information- Thanks!
And some more questions.In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Patty Winter) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:>>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Patty Winter) writes:>>>>>>If there are TCP,
AX.25, and NET/ROM stations on the same frequency>>>(not very
likely! but I'm trying to make a point) you can have
multiple>>>sessions of different types open
simultaneously.>>>>It's not just likely, it's assured in our
network. We do level 0 based>>on terrain and connectivity, not
protocol.>Thanks for the clarification, Gary. Here inhe Bay
Area, the TCPers>are on their own frequency, as they seem to be
in many areas. I'm with Gary on this one... we are desegregated
in this area too. :-)Seriously though, I think it helps to
demystify and gain acceptance forTCP/IP if it's not stuck away
in its own frequency ghetto (yeah, you mayhave to use linear
backoff timers to keep up with that aggressive AX.25crowd...
:-)Barry VE3JF-- Barry McLarnon                  |  Internet:
[e-mail] Research Center  |  AMPRnet:
[e-mail], Canada  K2H 8S2         |
PBBSnet:
ve3jf@ve3jf.#eon.on.can------------------------------Date: Mon,
14 Dec 1992 20:27:08 GMTFrom:
newsstand.cit.cornell.edu![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: TCP/IP access
on packet radio...In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Mark Lanzo) writes:> In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Eric L. Beyer) writes:> >--
> >  One last round of stupid questions for now --> >> >   1)
Once I have an IP assigned, are there any fees associated with>
>      accessing the SLIP link?> >> >   2) Is it considered rude
to be on that SLIP link for great lengths of> >      time (an
hour or so), which is average for IRC/Usenet (for me,> >
anyway)?> >> >   3) Are there any restrictions on the kinds of
services I can use with> >      that link (other than the usage
restrictions inherent in using> >      packet at all)?> > I may
have missed something here (like something discussing this SLIP>
link).   If you are accessing a private link of someone else (a
landline> or somesuch), then that's between you and them (and
maybe the FCC).> > TCP/IP is just a protocol.  The fact that you
are running TCP/IP does> not mean you are accessing any link,
tapping into the Internet, Arpanet,> Usenet, etc.  If you run
TCP/IP, then you'll be able to establish TCP > based connections
to other stations in your area which also are running> TCP.
Nothing else is implied.  TCP/IP just adds layers on top of the>
raw AX.25 connection, to do things like error detection &
correction,> routing, assembling individual packets into
sequenced streams, etc.>    Ok -- I was assuming TCP/IP meant
Internet access.  Got it now.> It is possible that some station
in the area has a connection to some > other "network" such as
the internet or Usenet or Fidonet or whatever,> and that you may
be able to use this other station as a gateway into> that other
network using your packet station; however, this isn't> directly
related to your use of TCP/IP (you could probably use straight>
AX.25 connection to this hypothetical other station and still
get> the same gateway access).  If you are running TCP/IP, and
you are> connecting to another TCP/IP packet station and that
station has> other links [besides the Amateur packet links],
then it is possible > that you have effectively become part of
that other network, depending> upon what interconnections that
station allows.  It is possible that > there won't be such a
gateway station in your area, so the only> thing you'll gain by
running TCP/IP is "improved" connectivity> between yourself and
other stations running TCP/IP, with tools like> "telnet" or
"ftp" (applications which use the TCP/IP transport> mechanisms).
 The TCP/IP software you use (such as NOS) will undoubtedly> do
e-mail too; probably using SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol)>
sitting on top of the TCP/IP layer again.>    The principle
seems similar to SLIP - SLIP connections are made byphoning a
system that is on the Internet, at which point you are
assignedan IP address and are effectively on Internet.  That's
kind of what I'dlike to do with packet.> The problem here is
that there are rigid definitions for a lot> of these and related
things -- TCP, IP, Internet, physical layer,> transport layer,
SMTP, etc. -- but we often tend to lump a lot> of these things
together using a term like "TCP/IP" as a generic> for a lot of
things which we tend to associate together but> which are in
fact not.  This can be particularly confusing for> someone who
hears a term like "TCP/IP" and gets the impression> that this
implies the Internet, Usenet, or somesuch.> > Well, I hope this
clarifies things a little bit.  I realize that> I have been a
bit long-winded here and hope I wasn't explaining> the obvious.
I also hope that I have not said anything which is> too far off
base -- I am definitely not an expert in such matters> and don't
proclaim to be ... so take my statements with a grain of >
salt.> >           73  --Mark Lanzo-- KD4QLZ>
[e-mail]>    I think I got it now.. maybe.. I think....
 Eric L. Beyer  Proud owner of his rusty A500  Paper pusher of
Solaris Devlopment Group  ([e-mail])
------------------------------Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:16:57
GMTFrom: psinntp!panix![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>8Subject : Re: 1200 bps
modem standards: deviation?There's an article on deviation in a
recent "By Any Other Name...", thenewsletter of the Radio
Amateur Telecommunications Society, which exploresthis issue
fairly thouroughly.If you'd like a copy of this issue of our
newsletter please send me emailwith your address.73, Andy-----
 Andrew Funk, KB7UV                     Internet:
[e-mail]    Vice Chair (& Chair-elect)
Packet: kb7uv@kb7uv.#nli.ny.usa    Radio Amateur
Telecommunications Society    BBS: 718-956-7133--     Andrew
Funk, KB7UV                     Internet: [e-mail]    ENG
Editor/Microwave                     Packet:
kb7uv@kb7uv.#nli.ny.usa    WCBS-TV Channel 2 News
      BBS: 718-956-7133------------------------------Date: Mon,
14 Dec 1992 17:58:48 GMTFrom: gecko![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: TCP/IP
access on packet radio...In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Eric L. Beyer) writes:>-- >
One last round of stupid questions for now -->>   1) Once I have
an IP assigned, are there any fees associated with>
accessing the SLIP link?>>   2) Is it considered rude to be on
that SLIP link for great lengths of>      time (an hour or so),
which is average for IRC/Usenet (for me,>      anyway)?>>   3)
Are there any restrictions on the kinds of services I can use
with>      that link (other than the usage restrictions inherent
in using>      packet at all)?I may have missed something here
(like something discussing this SLIPlink).   If you are
accessing a private link of someone else (a landlineor
somesuch), then that's between you and them (and maybe the
FCC).TCP/IP is just a protocol.  The fact that you are running
TCP/IP doesnot mean you are accessing any link, tapping into the
Internet, Arpanet,Usenet, etc.  If you run TCP/IP, then you'll
be able to establish TCP based connections to other stations in
your area which also are runningTCP.  Nothing else is implied.
TCP/IP just adds layers on top of theraw AX.25 connection, to do
things like error detection & correction,routing, assembling
individual packets into sequenced streams, etc.It is possible
that some station in the area has a connection to some other
"network" such as the internet or Usenet or Fidonet or
whatever,and that you may be able to use this other station as a
gateway intothat other network using your packet station;
however, this isn'tdirectly related to your use of TCP/IP (you
could probably use straightAX.25 connection to this hypothetical
other station and still getthe same gateway access).  If you are
running TCP/IP, and you areconnecting to another TCP/IP packet
station and that station hasother links [besides the Amateur
packet links], then it is possible that you have effectively
become part of that other network, dependingupon what
interconnections that station allows.  It is possible that there
won't be such a gateway station in your area, so the onlything
you'll gain by running TCP/IP is "improved" connectivitybetween
yourself and other stations running TCP/IP, with tools
like"telnet" or "ftp" (applications which use the TCP/IP
transportmechanisms).  The TCP/IP software you use (such as NOS)
will undoubtedlydo e-mail too; probably using SMTP (Simple Mail
Transfer Protocol)sitting on top of the TCP/IP layer again.The
problem here is that there are rigid definitions for a lotof
these and related things -- TCP, IP, Internet, physical
layer,transport layer, SMTP, etc. -- but we often tend to lump a
lotof these things together using a term like "TCP/IP" as a
genericfor a lot of things which we tend to associate together
butwhich are in fact not.  This can be particularly confusing
forsomeone who hears a term like "TCP/IP" and gets the
impressionthat this implies the Internet, Usenet, or
somesuch.Well, I hope this clarifies things a little bit.  I
realize thatI have been a bit long-winded here and hope I wasn't
explainingthe obvious.  I also hope that I have not said
anything which istoo far off base -- I am definitely not an
expert in such mattersand don't proclaim to be ... so take my
statements with a grain of salt.          73  --Mark Lanzo--
KD4QLZ
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 15 Dec 92
04:28:27 GMTFrom:
data.nas.nasa.gov!taligent!apple![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>leSubject : Re: TCP/IP information-
Thanks! And some more questions.In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Barry McLarnon)
writes:>I'm with Gary on this one... we are desegregated in this
area too. :-)>Seriously though, I think it helps to demystify
and gain acceptance for>TCP/IP if it's not stuck away in its own
frequency ghetto (yeah, you may>have to use linear backoff
timers to keep up with that aggressive AX.25>crowd... :-)I
should note that the N6OYU TCP/IP node also accepts AX.25
connects sothat non-TCPers can access Doug's callsign server.
(On TCP, it's accessedvia finger.) So we do have some protocol
mixing on the frequency.Patty--
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    ::   Patty Winter N6BIS           Internet: [e-mail]
::             ::   Sunnyvale, California           AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
         ::
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      Is there an Internet AX.25 gateway? (2 msgs)
      Just one more question..?
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-----------Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:08:57 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.e
du![e-mail]: Cheapest way to get on
PacketTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ted
Cline) writes:>>Here's what I know about cheap packet
systems:>>As I understand it:>>    1. The BAYPAC (model BP-1)
(page 140 November 1992 QST, or page 83>       November 73, $50)
is a small modem that draws its power from the>       serial
interface.  It must be very similar to the TCM3105.ZIP>
schematic.  (Also see BAYPAC review in December 1992 73)>I have
been using this packet modem (Tigertronics BAYPAC BP-1) for
severalmonths.  After fixing the RS232 interface design so it
would drive mycomputer (it uses nonstandard voltage levels to
drive the RS232 CTS line,which really is looking for +/-5 volts
or higher rather than 0.2 and 2.6volts and doesn't work on all
computers) I was pretty satisfied...until acouple weeks ago.The
modem stopped working suddenly one day.  Not only was it broken
(ituses a custom IC chip making it a little difficult to debug)
but the COMport it was connected to was also broken.  After
playing with the COM portI found that it was only the driver for
the TD line that was bad.This is the same line that supplies the
power to the BAYPAC modem.  Couldit be the modem that burned it
out?  Anyone else have a problem like this?Greg
LapinKD9AZ------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992
15:34:29 GMTFrom:
spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!sunova!NewsWatcher![e-mail]
bject: Gateway 2m/Internet in Dallas??To:
[e-mail] there any gateway from the 2m net to
Internet in the Dallas area? I liveinthe South area.Any
comments/freq./digis would be appreciatedReplys may also be sent
to my email addr: [e-mail]73 de Frank,
KI5IC------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992
21:16:06 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.n
wu.edu![e-mail]: HF Packet ModemTo:
[e-mail] am building a new packet modem for use
with the BAYCOM software.  It isbased on the AMD7910 chip.
Programming this chip is easy for 1200 baud(Bell 202).  I would
also like to provide the option for HF packet at 300baud.What I
need to know is the following:  Will BAYCOM support HF
packet?What are the FSK tones for HF packet (do they correspond
to Bell 103 Answeror Bell 103 Originate tones)?Thanks,Greg
LapinKD9AZ------------------------------Date: 16 Dec 92 03:56:30
GMTFrom:
comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs![e-mail]
bject: high-speed RF modems on half duplex To:
[e-mail]@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
>  >In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] ()  >writes:  >>  >>I have a datacomm
question with regard to high-speed modems like the GRAPES >>(56
kbps) design.  When it comes to actual implementation, if you're
using  >>these modems for high-speed point-to-point links, I can
see where it's  >>worthwhile to go to a fast modem.  However, it
appears that most of the  >>hardware that supports these
high-speed devices (including the NOS drivers  >>that support
DMA) are half-duplex.  >>  >> [stuff deleted]  >>  >>Is the CSMA
environment what these modems are designed for, or are they
>>really intended for point-to-point so-called "backbone" links?
 >  >Both. In interactive mode on a contending channel, they
feel like  >a Telebit in PEP mode, a little jerky, but usable.
It's when they  > ...  > ...  >  [[>If you operate full duplex
through a cross band digital repeater, ]]  [[>full CSMA-CD can
be implemented. That improves channel thruput    ]]
[[>wonderfully as the hidden terminal problem is eliminated.
    ]]  >  >Gary KE4ZV    Hi Gary, All,    This sounds great!
How is the collision detect implmented ? Do you just  shut down
the transmitter (or gate off the TD signal) if you detect a
collision ?  What does your reciever recognise as a collision ?
  Regards,  Steve - ZL1BHD
------------------------------Date: 15 Dec 92 22:40:49 GMTFrom:
mcsun!uknet!keele![e-mail]: Is there an Internet
AX.25 gateway?To: [e-mail] everyone, having
recently packed my packet equipment away whilst atUniversity,
I've started reading Usenet, and using electronic mail.I was
wondering if there is a gateway between Internet and the AX.25
network,so I could still "chat" to the amateur community? (I
realise that this may be problematic, in terms of the licencing
conditions,and allowing non-amateurs to effectively send data
over the air - justwondering...)If you could send any replies to
me at my e-mail address, I'd be mostgrateful.73 de Matt G7JFJ,
formerly @GB7SAM.#11.GBR.EU--Matt J. Gumbley
[e-mail] University of Keele,
England------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92
21:34:56 MSTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stat![e-mail]
bject: Is there an Internet AX.25 gateway?To:
[e-mail][e-mail] (MJ Gumbley)
writes:> I was wondering if there is a gateway between Internet
and the AX.25 network,> so I could still "chat" to the amateur
community? > (I realise that this may be problematic, in terms
of the licencing conditions> and allowing non-amateurs to
effectively send data over the air - just> wondering...)I run
such a gateway, the only problem is the third-party
restrictionsbetween the United States and other countries.Here
are the instructions for those where this might night apply:
                        How to Use the WB7TPY
      Packet <-> Internet GatewayFirst, some brief operational
notes:(1) Messages must not contain any foul language, or
commercial purpose.(2) Messages can only be sent to countries
that the United States has    a third-party agreement.  All
others will be destroyed.(3) Messages from the internet should
be less then 5K in length.    No files should be sent.(4) If you
have questions, please do not hesitate to contact me either on
 packet radio: [e-mail]       -or-    Internet
: [e-mail]                -or-    Fidonet     : David
Dodell @ 1:114/15(5) Have fun.  Use the gateway as much as you
like.  That is what it is     there for.
           ------                            From Internet to
Packet                                    ------Send mail to the
internet address of:[e-mail] first line of text
must contain a full packet address, proceeded with the word
"Packet:"For example, mail to my packet address, would have the
first line of text;Packet: [e-mail]
                     ------                            From
Packet to Internet                                    ------Send
as private mail (never a bulletin) to the packet address
of:[e-mail] first line of text must contain a
full domained internet address, proceeded with the word
"Internet:"For example, mail to my internet address, would have
the first line of text;Internet: [e-mail]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------      Internet: [e-mail]                  FAX: +1
[phone]      Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD
FidoNet=> 1:114/15                Amateur Packet ax25:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 16
Dec 92 03:56:28 GMTFrom:
comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs![e-mail]
bject: Just one more question..?  To: [e-mail]>
>--  >    Somebody kindly sent me a telephone number for a
company  >that makes/sells ham packet equipment.  Like a
bonehead, I  >proceeded to lose the message.  Could somebody
provide me with  >such a telephone number?  >  >    Much
appreciated..  >  >--  >  Eric L. Beyer  >  Proud owner of his
rusty A500  >  Paper pusher of Solaris Devlopment Group  >
([e-mail])      Hi Eric,    did I send you some info, I
thought I did, anyway ..    Gracilis Packet Radio Products,
1-708-801-8800 or fax [phone]  or email [e-mail]
   these guys have some very nice gear. tell 'em I sent you.
Steve - ZL1BHD       ------------------------------Date: 16 Dec
1992 01:51:37 GMTFrom:
usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu![e-mail].E
DUSubject: KA9QTo: [e-mail]6YMH runs a packet BBS
where you can download all this stuff withYAPP. Its also phone
line accessible (9600 baud). Now if I only hadthe phone number
handy......KA9Q is not the latest developer of the software. A
lot has been doneby PA0GRI, WG7J and others. Many different
versions exist, and so far as I know source code is available
for all. If you do have internetaccess all this stuff is under
/hamradio via anonynmous ftp from ucsd.edu.73 de Paul
KI6CQ------------------------------Date: 15 Dec 92 23:08:02
GMTFrom: news.tek.com!tekig7![e-mail]: Need
help with SoftKISS and NET/MacTo: [e-mail]'ve got
the Packet Mac Modem (73, October 1992) hooked up to my LC, and
amrunning SoftKISS and NET/Mac.  All is working well, but it
seems to take a longtime (around 10 seconds) to transmit.  This
is my first packet station, butthat seems a bit long to me,
especially on a clear channel.  I think I've gotreasonable
values for the TNC parameters.  Can anyone offer
ideas?thanks,Mike-- Michael A.
Gauland    [e-mail]  AA7JF            (503)
627-5067------------------------------Date: 14 Dec 92 08:30:00
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follows -----550 <[e-mail]>... Host
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<9212151713.AA10869@plkmail>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 04:30:00 EDTTo:
[e-mail]: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #337Packet-Radio Digest         Mon, 14 Dec 92
Volume 92 : Issue  337Today's Topics:     HAM
CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT DOWN (2 msgs)
  KISS and RSPF protocol definitions/descriptions
         TAPR number (3 msgs)Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 10 Dec 92 22:09:36 +1700From:
newsfeed.rice.edu!lub001.lamar.edu![e-mail].e
duSubject: HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT
DOWNTo: [e-mail]'ve recieved an overwhelming
number of responses to my post about shuttingdown the HAM
Connection BBS.  I have to frankly agree with the majority -why
let one person ruin it and why shut it down?  That's right, I'll
just haveto deal with that person and make sure that person
knows that it isn't acceptable to admonish people who try to
help others.  That I can accomplishwith his System Admin. if
need arises.  I can very well take constructivecriticism, but
not the un-constructive type I was used to receiving every timeI
mentioned the availability of the HAM Connection BBS.  I will
not mentionthat persons' name on the net, but I hope he is well
aware that his postingwill not continue like in the past.This is
like a see-saw, but the HAM Connection BBS will not be shutting
down.I am perfectly within the guideline of USENET with my posts
- it is non-commercial and of interest to ham radio operators.
I just thank all thosewho responded and gave advice.  I was
suprised, really suprised.  The HAM Connection BBS will stay
Online as advertised earlier and not shutdown.  Happy Holidays
all and 73,N5UYH Grady------------------------------Date: Sun,
13 Dec 1992 18:56:13 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis!pschleck@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT
TO SHUT DOWNTo: [e-mail]@lub001.lamar.edu
writes:>I've recieved an overwhelming number of responses to my
post about shutting>down the HAM Connection BBS.  I have to
frankly agree with the majority ->why let one person ruin it and
why shut it down?  That's right, I'll just have>to deal with
that person and make sure that person knows that it isn't
>acceptable to admonish people who try to help others.  That I
can accomplish>with his System Admin. if need arises.  I can
very well take constructive>criticism, but not the
un-constructive type I was used to receiving every time>I
mentioned the availability of the HAM Connection BBS.  I will
not mention>that persons' name on the net, but I hope he is well
aware that his posting>will not continue like in the past.If you
won't mention his name, I will :-).  Let me introduce myself
tothe net, I am Paul Schleck, the accused.  My sysadmin is a
busy typewho, in the absence of any illegal action or use in
conflict with UNOand NSF guidelines, will generally say, "Fight
your own litle turfbattles."  Suffice to say, I won't be sending
Grady any more E-mail.What I have to say on the net is quite
another matter.>This is like a see-saw, but the HAM Connection
BBS will not be shutting down.>I am perfectly within the
guideline of USENET with my posts - it is non->commercial and of
interest to ham radio operators.  I just thank all those>who
responded and gave advice.  I was suprised, really suprised.>
>The HAM Connection BBS will stay Online as advertised earlier
and not shut>down.  >Happy Holidays all and 73,>N5UYH
GradyThanks for continuing to provide the services that you do.
I'd reallylike to try out your BBS and see for myself,
unfortunately anyoneattempting to register as "PAUL SCHLECK"
gets a nasty message and adisconnect.73, Paul W. Schleck,
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 13
Dec 1992 16:51:50 -0700From:
saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!gag.com!not-for-ma
[e-mail]: KISS and RSPF protocol
definitions/descriptionsTo:
[e-mail][e-mail] (Kevin Purcell, Rho)
writes:> Where can I find the definitions of the KISS and RSPF
protocols in > either printed or electronic form?KISS is
documented in an appendix of the userman.doc manual for pre-NOS
NET,which can be found among other places on col.hp.com in
packet/890421.1.The RSPF doc is floating around somewhere on
col.hp.com, as well.Bdale,
N3EUA------------------------------Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:35:14
PSTFrom:
pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!beagle![e-mail]
ct: TAPR numberTo: [e-mail] am looking for the
TAPR number.  I understand that they sell circuit boards for TNC
and modems for packet use.  Thanks------------Jim Chandler,
KD6IRVsactoh0!beagle!chandler------------------------------Date:
Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:33:28 GMTFrom:
newsstand.cit.cornell.edu![e-mail]:
TAPR numberTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Chandler)
writes:> I am looking for the TAPR number.  I understand that
they sell circuit > boards for TNC and modems for packet use.
Thanks> > ------------> Jim Chandler, KD6IRV>
sactoh0!beagle!chandler--   Could somebody post that number
publicly?  I too would like information  on TNCs.. Thanks..
Also, what is the difference between a TNC and a modem designed
for  packet use?  Thanks again..--  Eric L. Beyer  Proud owner
of his rusty A500  Paper pusher of Solaris Devlopment Group
([e-mail]) ------------------------------Date: 14 Dec 92
09:01:28 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!enterpoop.mit.edu!
snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ai-lab!hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu![e-mail]
SD.EDUSubject: TAPR numberTo: [e-mail]
Amateur Packet RadioP.O. Box 12925Tucson, AZ 85732-2925Phone:
602-749-9479FAX:   [phone]Office Hours: Tuesday - Friday
10:00AM - 3:00PM MST(Source: Packet Status Register, July,
1992)------------------------------Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992
22:55:10 GMTFrom:
sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu![e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>-sSubject : Re: ICOM W2A &
IC-2SRA Packet Connection AnswerIn article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (JT) writes:>>Never call a
dealer near closing time. They want to go home too, and
will>brush you off as quickly as possible, unless you get the
owner.C'mon... they are only open for 3 or 4 hours on Saturday.
Asking some guy to scribble a note down saying "Hold for JT"
isn't too much to ask, even if they guy gets off work in ten
minutes.  Hell, the thing was two feet in front of him in the
glass case.>Trusting soul aren't you. :-)>I'd mark this dealer
off my good list, if they failed to keep their word>on a regular
basis.Only one within an hours drive of my house... I only speak
to a couple different people that work there... there are a few
that are wizzes, but that guy had no clue.>Number one rule of
dealing with tech support, never call around lunch time.>Either
you won't get an answer, or you'll get a quick, and perhaps
wrong,>answer from the person with the growling stomach. A real
live person>answering the phone would know that it was lunchtine
and tell you to>call back. They should have a message on their
automated system too,>but you know how that is, the "computer"
can't do that. Of course it>can, but it requires someone smarter
than it is to program it to do so,>and the MIS backlog on
feature requests is currently 2.5 years. :-(>>and yes, the other
department was "out to lunch" again!>>Slow learner eh?The first
time I called they were out to lunch, and I was so pissed I made
sure I didn't call them back during their lunch time (I called
around 12:30 my time in Ohio, and they are in Washington I
think) the next time... but they still weren't in.>I've
completely stopped doing business with some firms because of
this. If they >don't need my business enough to answer their
phones with real people, or >at least have ring through lines to
key departments, then I don't need to >do business with them.
There's nothing more annoying than sitting on a long >distance
call, being forced to listen to an elevator music station in
some >distant city for tens of minutes, only to discover your
call needs to be >transfered to a different desk and sitting
through the process again. That's >what live operators are for,
to figure out who a customer really needs to >talk to and either
connecting them or taking their number and arranging for>them to
be called back at an agreed time.I agree completely!>We
installed one of these systems at my company, but have now gone
back>to live operators. As our sales manager put it, "The person
whose time>and good will are most important to the business is
the customer. Put>the CEO on hold if you must, but service that
customer's call immediately.">Now that's the kind of attitude
that generates repeat business.I can't remember which company I
was dealing with, but I remember getting a bogus item once and
instantly thought of the headaches.  The company was very NICE
and helpful, and saw to it I had it taken care of.That kind of
policy makes me think more of a company than if I had just
brought it home and it worked fine (providing the replacement
wasn't defective too ;)73,JT(btw, followups to email... I think
we've gotten a little off the packet topic
;)------------------------------Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:26:14
GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!wa4mei!kd4nc!ke4zv![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] (Gary Coffman)Subject : Re: ICOM W2A & IC-2SRA
Packet Connection AnswerIn article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (JT) writes:>the reason for
my anger isn't all of Icom's fault... it started with my local
>dealer.  I had planned on buying the 2SRA before last
christmas.  I told my >local dealer, who had them in stock, to
hold one for me until Monday (this >was on Saturday, and they
are closed on Sunday... They were closing in ten >minutes and
there was no way I could get to them that quick).Never call a
dealer near closing time. They want to go home too, and
willbrush you off as quickly as possible, unless you get the
owner.>Of course they sold all of them, including the one on
hold for me.>Then I told them to hold another for me when the
next shipment came in, and >they said they'd call me when they
did.  Well, I called off and on for three >weeks with no luck,
until finally they said (paraphrased), "Yeah, we got >twenty in
today, but there's only two left."  I told them to hold another
>for me (since they didn't have one on hold, and they never
called me!) and >I would come out to pick it up, which I
did.Trusting soul aren't you. :-)I'd mark this dealer off my
good list, if they failed to keep their wordon a regular
basis.>So I called Icom and was on hold with the "please stay on
the line... your >call will be answered in the order it was
received" message.  So I held... >and held.. and hung up and
called another department.  He said he would have >someone from
the department call me when they got back from lunch!  Why would
>ANYBODY put that message on if the department is empty for
lunch hour??? Number one rule of dealing with tech support,
never call around lunch time.Either you won't get an answer, or
you'll get a quick, and perhaps wrong,answer from the person
with the growling stomach. A real live personanswering the phone
would know that it was lunchtine and tell you tocall back. They
should have a message on their automated system too,but you know
how that is, the "computer" can't do that. Of course itcan, but
it requires someone smarter than it is to program it to do
so,and the MIS backlog on feature requests is currently 2.5
years. :-(>So I call them back AGAIN and get put on hold with
the same message.  After >another long time, I called that other
department and raised hell with the >guy... I explained I wasn't
mad at him, in fact he had been helpful (I knew >it wasn't his
"department"), but I summarized how I had spent over $700 (with
>accessories, mind you ;) on a radio that I can only use half
of, only to have >it break within a week, and this is after all
the calls, etc...>>and yes, the other department was "out to
lunch" again!Slow learner eh?>This wasn't a flame directed at
anybody specific, just at poor customer relations.Well they
should have a better phone system. Replacing live operators
withmachinery has angered many customers. This is not just Icom
either, it'sa problem with many businesses. At least you can get
through to the rightpeople at Icom if you call at a reasonable
hour (IE not lunchtime). With Kenwood's system, you'll be lucky
to ever talk to a live human being. I've completely stopped
doing business with some firms because of this. If they don't
need my business enough to answer their phones with real people,
or at least have ring through lines to key departments, then I
don't need to do business with them. There's nothing more
annoying than sitting on a long distance call, being forced to
listen to an elevator music station in some distant city for
tens of minutes, only to discover your call needs to be
transfered to a different desk and sitting through the process
again. That's what live operators are for, to figure out who a
customer really needs to talk to and either connecting them or
taking their number and arranging forthem to be called back at
an agreed time.We installed one of these systems at my company,
but have now gone backto live operators. As our sales manager
put it, "The person whose timeand good will are most important
to the business is the customer. Putthe CEO on hold if you must,
but service that customer's call immediately."Now that's the
kind of attitude that generates repeat business.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92
#337******************************------------------------------D
ate: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:59:59 GMTFrom:
worldbank.org![e-mail]: Service MessagesTo:
[e-mail]'d like to pose what may be a really dumb
question. Have the authors of theBBS code ever considered
including support for Service Messages? I'm using theX.400
interpretation of a Service Message, where they are generated
only by theBBS, and usually serve as a delivery or non-delivery
receipt. I don't advocatethe idea of a delivery receipt, but a
non-delivery receipt would certainly bevery useful. The reason
that I ask is that I send mail to the U.K. on a regularbasis. If
I don't get an acknowledging reply from my friend(s), I have no
ideawhether (a) the mail was simply "lost", or (b) whether my
friend didn't readhis mail. It would be a nice touch if any BBS
that rejected mail could generatea very short reply back to the
originator with some code indicating the reasons(invalid
address, mail not read, etc).    I don't think that these types of
messages would place a great load on the BBSsystems and
infrastructure as I assume most messages get through, but
theywould be extreemly helpful.-- Darrell
------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:10:03
GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.w
ashington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu![e-mail]
D.EDUSubject: SMC: "Above and beyone the call..."To:
[e-mail] few weeks ago I saw a SALE notice on
packet radio re 2 16-bit Ethernet cards, for which I had been
looking for some time.  The owner was a ham in Jacksonville, FL;
after talking to him LL from Alaska, I sent him a check, and
duely received the new, uninstalled cards a week later.
Unfortunately, while talking to him, I'd neglected to ask him
what kind of ethernet connectors they had--I'd just assumed they
were Thin Ethernet.  They had Thick ethernet connections and
10baseT.  Well, OK, I thought.  My NeXT cube has a twisted-pair
type connector, so no problem, right?  Obviously, I'm a bit
naive about Ethernet!  On doing some reading, I discovered that
I would now need a "concentrator" to be able to hook up my 386
to my NeXT.  They turn out to cost ~$500.Not knowing what else
to do, I called the number for Standard Microsystems
Corporation, the manufacturer of the cards and explained the
mistake I'd made.  Understand that SMC had NO OBLIGATION
WHATSOEVER to do anything for me--they don't sell to dealers,
much less individuals, they sell only to distributors.  Although
sympathetic, the first person I talked to didn't quite know how
to help me, or even if they COULD help me; so she got Ike, the
manageron the phone with me.Ike was very pleasant when I again
explained how I now had two brand new cards which I couldn't use
in my system.  After explaining to me that they really hadno way
to help me, since I couldn't return the cards to a dealer, and
ordinari-ly they only accepted back cards that had some sort of
malfunction...he thought a bit and then asked me if all I needed
was cards with regular coax Thin Ethernet connectors.  I said
yes; he said, would I be willing to pay for the shipping from
Hauppauge, NY to Anchor Point, AK, and I said "Certainly!"
Would I mind sending the cards back first, before they shipped
out a couple new cards?  (Are you kidding?!  Of course!)I packed
up the cards the next day, and exactly one week later, I
received via UPS 2nd-day air, two 16-bit EtherCard Plus Elite16
cards from SMC--Standard Microsystems Corporation!Mind you, Ike
had no idea that I would send this message out to the packet
world, or that I have a connection to the Internet--he did it,
apparently, as a gesture of good will to his customer, however
far removed that customer may have been from him directly.If
that isn't "above and beyond the call of duty," or "going the
second mile," I don't know what is.  I want to publicly thank
Ike and the people at SMC for their dedication to good customer
relations, and to wish them all happiness during this holiday
season--I know that MY holiday season has certainly been
enhanced, and will be particularly joyful.And I urge those of
you reading this to consider SMC when you go to buy Ethernet or
other networking cards.  Who else stands behind their product in
such a wholehearted way, or goes to such lengths to make a
customer happy?BTW, today's my birthday; what a present!Thanks,
Ike.  Merry Christmas!John-- --John
[e-mail]        BITNET:
IFJRS@[e-mail]        kl7jl.ampr.org
[44.22.0.1]"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was the
Question?"--------------------------------Date: 15 Dec 92
13:37:44 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: TAPR
AddressTo: [e-mail] messages recently have
asked for information about TAPR.  TAPR can be reached at:Tucson
Amateur Packet RadioP.O. Box 12925Tucson, AZ 85732Telephone:
602-749-9479 (10am - 3pm MST, Tu- Fr)FAX: [phone]Internet:
[e-mail] can also answer any questions readers may
have about TAPR.73,Bob Nielsen W6SWEPresident, Tucson Amateur
Packet RadioBob Nielsen W6SWE       ax.25:
[e-mail]    Internet:
[e-mail] IP: 44.124.12.16         CIS:
71540,2364------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992
01:23:01 GMTFrom:
gumby!destroyer!news.iastate.edu!cs.iastate.edu![e-mail]
ject: VMS or Ultrix connection via packet radioTo:
[e-mail] need the configuration setting for an
MFJ-1278T tnc for connection to alogin port on either a VMS or
Ultrix machine. We currently have a Decstation5000 running
Ultrix and a 6610 running VMS.  We are able to communicate
fromone tnc to another; however, communication to the login port
has beenunsuccessful.  Has anyone successfully accomplished a
login connection viapacket radio to either of these machines and
if so, could you please send usthe configuration settings?
+------------------------------+---------------------------------
--------+|  Linda M. Null               | Phone: [phone]
                 ||  NW Mo. State University     | Internet:
[e-mail]||  Iowa State University       |
   (or)     [e-mail]
|+------------------------------+--------------------------------
---------+------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992
04:21:01 GMTFrom:
gumby!destroyer!fmsrl7!lynx!nmsu.edu![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: TCP/IP
access on packet radio...In article
<[e-mail]>    [e-mail].
cornell.edu (Eric L. Beyer) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>    [e-mail] (Mark
Lanzo) writes:>> TCP/IP is just a protocol.  The fact that you
are running TCP/IP does>> not mean you are accessing any link,
tapping into the Internet, Arpanet,>> Usenet, etc.  If you run
TCP/IP, then you'll be able to establish TCP >> based
connections to other stations in your area which also are
running>> TCP.  Nothing else is implied.  TCP/IP just adds
layers on top of the>> raw AX.25 connection, to do things like
error detection & correction,>> routing, assembling individual
packets into sequenced streams, etc.>> >>   Ok -- I was assuming
TCP/IP meant Internet access.  Got it now.    Lanzo is absolutely
correct. However.. You cannot run TCP/IPwithout having an
address that everyone you want to talk to will agreeis 'you'.
Typically, this is accomplished by assigning you an addressfrom
the Internet's address space, and packet radio has a set
ofaddresses for just that. Thus, when you get your assigned IP
address,you are, in some sense, 'On the Internet'. The trouble
is that packetradio's hunk of The Internet isn't very well
connected, so youmay not be able to get to very much of it from
where you are.    This is in contrast to, say, some internal
corporate netswhich run TCP/IP, but are in NO sense on the
Internet, sincethey not only can't reach it, they assign
addresses *themselves*.>>   The principle seems similar to SLIP
- SLIP connections are made by>phoning a system that is on the
Internet, at which point you are assigned>an IP address and are
effectively on Internet.  That's kind of what I'd>like to do
with packet.>    This depends on where you are. Your IP address is
half ofthis, the other half is the connectivity. All you need is
some way toget your packets to something on the wire Internet.
You may or may notbe near a packet radio <-> wire network
gateway. You may or may notbe able to set it up yourself
;)    Andrew------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
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17 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  340Today's Topics:
                     FAQ?                 high-speed RF modems
on half duplex                           KA9Q - What is it?
           Need info : high speed communication
SCO ODT 2.0, TCP/IP and Packet Radio
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[e-mail] can I FTP the FAQ for this group?
       Elliot Finley
([e-mail])------------------------------Date: Wed,
16 Dec 1992 08:40:28 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]:
high-speed RF modems on half duplex To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Steve Wright) writes:>[e-mail]
(Gary Coffman) writes:   >>  >[[>If you operate full duplex
through a cross band digital repeater, ]]  >[[>full CSMA-CD can
be implemented. That improves channel thruput    ]]
>[[>wonderfully as the hidden terminal problem is eliminated.
     ]]  >  >This sounds great!  How is the collision detect
implmented ? Do you just  >shut down the transmitter (or gate
off the TD signal) if you detect a  >collision ?  What does your
reciever recognise as a collision ?  CD is rather hard to
implement. Since you are operating full duplex,you can hear your
own signal, but with a delay through the repeater.So you compare
bits received against bits sent a fixed delay previous,
dependent on your relative location to the repeater and the
repeater's fixed delay, and abort the transmission if they don't
match.This requires keeping more "state" in your system than is
often feasibleor desirable. Therefore few stations implement CD
and depend on carriersense only to determine when to transmit,
and accept the occasional collision from a station that keys up
at the exact instant, less systendelay, that you key up. This
isn't too bad through a full duplex repeatersince the window
where collisions are possible is small compared to totalchannel
time, and there are no hidden terminals.In this mode, stations
wait a random delay period after carrier dropsbefore attempting
to transmit. That usually insures that one transmitterwill key
first and be detected. On really busy channels,
p-persistencebackoff will exponentially increase the time
between transmission attemptsuntil collisions are reduced to a
negligible level.Gary KE4ZV------------------------------Date:
15 Dec 92 01:23:33 GMTFrom: [e-mail]:
KA9Q - What is it?To: [e-mail]> The KA9Q package
includes AX.25 protocols (and NET/ROM). You don't  need> another
terminal program to connect to regular AX.25 packet  stations>
(including PBBSs and PacketClusters). > I was under the
impression that the KA9Q software is a router,  period, and that
all contacts I made through tcp/ip would be  accomplised by
using tcp/ip based network protocols/programs such as  telnet
and ftp on my workstation...Can someone please explain what
exactly the KA9Q software is used  for, the basic gist of how it
is used, and what other solutions it  replaces or enhances.My
basic goal here is to get my unix workstation to the point where
I  can telnet, smtp, etc with other hams and (maybe)to the
internet, ie  make my machine a presence on the TCP/IP network.
What software is  used to accomplish the interface to the TNC??
If there's more to  TCP/IP packet networking than I'm stating
here, could someone please  set me straignt on it?If there's
someone in SE Connecticut who's doing this kind of thing,  I
would very much like to talk to you about what's going on around
 here (possibly even see your setup in action if you are so
inclined!).Thanks. -Ben KB2ERP- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -     \|/        Ben Mehlman
                   Indigo..   ^   ^       Trirex Systems Inc
    #   #       [e-mail]
Indigoing..     @   \___/       >NeXTMail Welcome<
            Indigone.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - -------------------------------Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:09:20 GMTFrom:
mcsun!sunic!fuw.edu.pl!cyfronet!p403r.uci.agh.edu.pl!aksamit@uune
t.uu.netSubject: Need info : high speed communicationTo:
[e-mail] to all,Me and my friends (5 people) want
to build backbone high speed packet neton 432MHz. I've some
questions :1. I've heard about GRAPES 56k modems - what I need
for this modem ? (Is special radio required, which TNC , maybe
PI card , how much it cost )2. What about GRAPES modem and other
speed of transmision ( I'm afraid that some of us won't be able
to buy an expensive equipment )-I'm intrested in 9600,19200 and
standart 1200bps.3. What about tcp/ip on high speed net (
special programs ,packet drivers?)73Greg SP9-69012/KR (SWL yet
but not long)
                     Grzegorz
Aksamit------------------------------Date: 15 Dec 92 19:21:49
GMTFrom:
psgrain!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!olsa99!unisup1!tubbs!chris@uunet.
uu.netSubject: SCO ODT 2.0, TCP/IP and Packet RadioTo:
[e-mail] am interested in getting packet tcp/ip
going to a friend of mine using SCOUnix.  I know this can be
done succesfully with packages like ka9q under DOSbut I would
like to avoid this.Are there any s/w packages available that
will interface to tcp/ip to say giveme a slip link to a
destination machine with the same setup?I would appreciate any
information that can be providedChris-- |    __
..olsa99!tabbs!tubbs!chris | Chris Moustakis @ The Ultimate BBS.
||   /  ) /           \\\  O  \\\   |      . . . . . . . . . . .
. .      ||  /    /_  __  o     \\\  R  \\\  | "People who think
they know it all, || (__/ / /_/ (_<_/_)_ @ tubbs.UUCP |  really
annoy those of us who do."  |------------------------------Date:
16 Dec 92 14:56:53 CSTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!tula
ne!agwbbs![e-mail]: TAPR
AddressTo: [e-mail] the new Tarp 9600 BPS modem
been released yet? Has the new Devationmeter been released
yet!!!-- Via DLG Pro
v0.995Internet:[e-mail]
Usenet:rex!agwbbs!angelo_glorioso_III  Packet:N5UXT @
N5UXT.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA  Tcp/ip:N5UXT.AMPT.ORG
[44.108.2.13]------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Dec
1992 18:01:10 GMTFrom: gecko![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: TCP/IP
access on packet radio...In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Eric L. Beyer) writes:> >
[Eric's questions & my comments about TCP/IP deleted]>   The
principle seems similar to SLIP - SLIP connections are made
by>phoning a system that is on the Internet, at which point you
are assigned>an IP address and are effectively on Internet.
That's kind of what I'd>like to do with packet.Is this true?  I
thought you still had to have your own IP addressfor SLIP (that
is, BEFORE your system made any calls to other nodes).I thought
SLIP (or its successor, PPP) just gave you a way to use your
serial port to make IP connections [IP = Internet Protocol;
SLIP = Serial Line IP].  Pardon, my ignorance is showing
...Certainly you would not want an IP address assigned to you on
thefly for normal purposes; this is after all the identifier
whichevery other station in a network needs to connect to you,
and whichtherefore you would not want to see arbitrarily
change.Eric also writes:>   Ok -- I was assuming TCP/IP meant
Internet access.  Got it now.In fact, strictly speaking there is
no single "Internet";  there are (or were) a number of networks
which are individually or collectively referred to as Internet -
ARPANET, DARPA Internet, DDN, DoD Net, etc.  I think that the
term "internet" basically is used nowadays more or less as a
generic for any wide area network based on IP, although I
understand to what you are referring.Yeah, I wish I could FTP to
all those public FTP sites too  :-( ...           73  --Mark
Lanzo-- KD4QLZ
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
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18 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  341Today's Topics:
AMPRNET address coordinators list 15 Dec 92 (2 msgs)
         Help with 151 mhz packet?               IP Address
Coordinator in VA?? (2 msgs)                          KA9Q -
What is it?                 Need info : high speed communication
                       PR in PY4-Land????!!!                 SCO
ODT 2.0, TCP/IP and Packet Radio                         TAPR
9600 bps modem                   TCP/IP access on packet
radio...                       TCP/IP In VA and Apology
            VA IP Coordinator (2 msgs)Send Replies or notes for
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there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 17 Dec 92 18:15:36 GMTFrom:
[e-mail]: AMPRNET address coordinators
list 15 Dec 92To: [e-mail]    AMPRNet IP address
coordinators as of 15 December 1992        Corrections and updates to
[e-mail]: the people listed here have volunteered to
issue IP addresses fortheir areas.  They are not paid to do this
service; please understand thatthey are perfectly at ease to
deal with coordination responses at areasonably lower priority
than the things that matter more, such asjob and family.  Please
be patient when requesting an address.44.002    Bob
Meyer        K6RTV    Calif: Sacramento44.004    Douglas Thom        N6OYU    Calif:
Silicon Valley - San Francisco44.006    Don Jacob        WB5EKU    Calif:
Santa Barbara/Ventura44.008    Brian Kantor        WB6CYT    Calif: San
Diego44.010    Terry Neal        AA6TN    Calif: Orange County44.012    Steven
King        KD7RO    Eastern Washington,Idaho44.014    John
Shalamskas        KJ9U    Hawaii & Pacific Islands44.016    Jeff
Angus        WA6FWI    Calif: Los Angeles - S F Valley44.017    Dana
Myers        KK6JQ    Calif: Antelope Valley/Kern County44.018    Geoffrey
Joy        KE6QH    Calif: San Bernardino & Riverside44.020    Fred
Schneider        K0YUM    Colorado: Northeast44.022    John
Stannard        KL7JL    Alaska44.024    Dennis Goodwin        KB7DZ    Washington
state: Western (Puget Sound)44.026    Ron
Henderson        WA7TAS    Oregon44.028    Don Adkins        KD5QN    Texas:
North44.030    J Gary Bender        WS5N    New Mexico44.032    Bdale
Garbee        N3EUA    Colorado: Southeast44.034    Jeff
Pierce        WD4NMQ    Tennesee44.036    Doug
Drye        KD4NC    Georgia44.038    Mike Abbott        N4QXV    South
Carolina44.040    Jeff Jacobsen        WA7MBL    Utah44.042    Phil
Akers        WA4DDE    Mississippi44.044    Bob Wilson        KA1XN    Massachusetts:
western44.046    William Simmons        WB0ROT    Missouri44.048    Jacques
Kubley        KA9FJS    Indiana44.050    Ron
Breitwisch        KC0OX    Iowa44.052    Gary Grebus        K8LT    New
Hampshire44.054    Ralph Stetson        KD1R    Vermont44.056    Don
Hughes        KA1MF    Eastern&Central Mass44.058    Rich
Clemens        KB8AOB    West Virginia44.060    Howard
Leadmon        WB3FFV    Maryland44.062    Jim
DeArras        WA4ONG    Virginia44.062    Jon Gefaell        KD4CQY    Virginia
(Charlottesville Area)44.064    Dave Trulli        NN2Z    New Jersey:
northern 44.065    Bob Applegate        WA2ZZX    New Jersey:
southern44.066    John DeGood        NU3E    Delaware44.068.1-32    Bob
Foxworth        K2EUH    New York: NYC & Long Island44.068.64+    Bob
Bellini        N2IGU    New York: ENY44.069    Paul Gerwitz        WA2WPI    New
York: WNY44.070    Gary Sanders        N8EMR    Ohio44.072    Ken
Stritzel        WA9AEK    Chicago - North Ill.44.073    Chuck
Henderson        WB9UUS    South/Central Ill.44.074    James
Curran        KA4OJN    North Carolina (east)44.075    Charles
Layno        WB4WOR    North Carolina (west)44.076    Kurt
Freiberger        WB5BBW    Texas: south44.077    Rod
Huckabay        KA5EJX    Texas: west44.078    Joe
Buswell        K5JB    Oklahoma44.080    John Gayman        WA3WBU    Pennsylvania:
eastern44.082    Steven Elwood        N7GXP    Montana44.084    Bob
Ludtke        K9MWM    Colorado: Western44.086    Reid
Fletcher        WB7CJO    Wyoming44.088    Jon
Bloom        KE3Z    Connecticut44.090    Mike
Nickolaus        NF0N    Nebraska44.092    Pat Davis        KD9UU    Wisconsin, upper
peninsula Michigan44.094    Gary Sharp        WD0HEB    Minnesota44.096    Don
Bennett        K4NGC    District of Columbia44.098    Bruce
??        WD4HIM    Florida44.100    Richard
Elling        KB4HB    Alabama44.102    Jeff King        WB8WKA    Michigan (lower
peninsula)44.104    Charles Greene        W1CG    Rhode Island44.106    Tyler
Barnett        N4TY    Kentucky44.108    James
Dugal        N5KNX    Louisiana44.110    Richard
Duncan        WD5B    Arkansas44.112    Bob Hoffman        N3CVL    Pennsylvania:
western44.114    Steven Elwood        N7GXP    N&S Dakota44.116    Tom
Kloos        WS7S    Oregon: NW&Portland,Vancouver WA44.118    Jon
Andrews        WA2YVL    Maine44.120    unassigned44.122    Dale
Puckett        K0HYD    Kansas44.124    David
Dodell        WB7TPY    Arizona44.125.0-126    Earl Petersen        KF7TI    Southern
Nevada44.125.128-254    Bill Healy        ?    Northern Nevada44.126    Karl
Wagner        KP4QG    Puerto Rico## 44.128 is reserved for testing.  Do
not use for operational networks.# You may safely assume that
any packets with 44.128 addresses are bogons# unless you are
using them for some sort of testing#44.128    TEST## International
subnet coordinators by country#44.129    Japan        JG1SLY    Tak Kushida,
JH3XCU Joly Kanbayashi44.130    Germany        DL4TA    Ralf D
Kloth44.131    United Kingdom    G6PWY    Chris
Baron44.132    Indonesia    YB1BG    Robby
Soebiakto44.133    Spain        EA4DQX    Jose Antonio Garcia.  Madrid.
(EA4DQX @ EA4DQX)44.134    Italy        I2KFX44.135    Canada        VE3GYQ    David
Toth44.136    Australia    VK2ZXQ    John
Tanner44.137    Holland        PA0GRI    Gerard Van Der
Grinten44.138    Israel        4X1GP    Peleg
Lapid44.139    Finland        OH1MQK    Matti
Aarnio44.140    Sweden        SM0IES    Lennart44.141    Norway        LA4JL    Per
Eotang44.142    Switzerland    HB9CAT    Marco
Zollinger44.143    Austria        OE1KDA    Krzysztof
Dabrowski44.144    Belgium        ON7LE44.145    Denmark        OZ1EUI44.146    Philli
pines    DU1UJ    Eddie Manolo44.147    New
Zealand44.148    Ecuador        HC5K    Ted44.149    Hong
Kong    VS6EL44.150    Slovenija    S53FK    Iztok
Saje44.151    France        FC1BQP    Pierre-Francois
Monet44.152    Venezuela    OA4KO/YV5    Luis
Suarez44.153    Argentina    LU7ABF    Pedro
Converso44.154    Greece        SV1UY    Demetre
Valaris44.155    Ireland        EI9GL    Paul
Healy44.156    Hungary        HA5DI    Bela Markus44.157    Chile        CE6EZB    Raul
Burgos44.158    Portugal    CT1DIA    Artur
Gomes44.159    Thailand    HS1JC    Kunchit Charmaraman44.160    South
Africa    ZS6BHD    John44.161    Luxembourg    LX1YZ    Erny Ton tl

inger44.162    Cyprus        5B4TX    C. Costis44.163    Central
America    TI3DJT    Chuck Hast44.164    Surinam        PZ2AC    Otto
Morroy44.165    Poland        SP5WCA    Andrzej K.
Brandt44.166    Korea        HL9TG    Gary ?44.167    India        VU2LBW    Lakshman
("Lucky")
Bijanki44.168    Taiwan        BV5AF    Bolon44.169    Nigeria        5N0OBA    Kunle44.1
70    Croatia        ??    Sinisa Novosel44.171    Serbia        (nobody volunteered
yet)44.172    Sri Lanka    4S7EF    Ekendra44.173    Mexico        XE????    (no one
has volunteered yet)44.174    Brazil        PP5AQ    Luiz F.
Catalan44.175    Cuba        CO2JA    Jose Amador44.193    Outer
Space-AMSAT    W3IWI        Tom Clark------------------------------Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:19:59 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!caen!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG![e-mail].E
DUSubject: AMPRNET address coordinators list 15 Dec 92To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
brian@ucsd (Brian Kantor) writes:>    AMPRNet IP address
coordinators as of 15 December 1992>>        Corrections and updates
to [e-mail].>>Note: the people listed here have
volunteered to issue IP addresses for>their areas.  They are not
paid to do this service; please understand that>they are
perfectly at ease to deal with coordination responses at
a>reasonably lower priority than the things that matter more,
such as>job and family.  Please be patient when requesting an
address.>>44.062    Jon Gefaell        KD4CQY    Virginia (Charlottesville
Area)That's 44.62.32, per assignment by K4ZIV, who it seems is
handling thingsfor WA4ONG(?)Anyways, the current plan is to have
another crack at it W/O cooperationfrom WA4ONG. The idea is to
get a 19.2K port and a 1200BPS port on Turing.ORG by mid
February.(can you say Richmond Frostfest?)Turing.ORG is a Free
Public Access Internet Connected SVR4 UNIX machine.
------------------------------Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:57:09
GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!
ucsu![e-mail]: Help with 151 mhz packet?To:
[e-mail] am looking for any help in locating a
packet modem & radio combination or (even better) a combined
packet modem/radio.  The only problem is I need onethat can tune
into the 151 mhz business band and the 154/155 mhz publicsafety
band.  (I am looking for a good brand combination, not a
specific usedone...)The interface will be via IBM PC clones, and
must be capable of working with3rd party communications
software.  I don't need the mail functions or otherstuff, just
the data xfer.  Any ideas?  Thanks in advance.../s/Dan--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-=-Dan Zacek                | Astrophysics & Philosophy:  The
study of  [e-mail]  | why we think we know that
starlight bends.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-=-------------------------------Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:21:23
GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uvaarpa!clem!clem!news@network
.UCSD.EDUSubject: IP Address Coordinator in VA??To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Jon  Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:> In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Don H. McGee) writes:> >> >Does anyone know the call or name or
email address of the IP > >address coordinator in Virginia?? I
would love to get a> >number assigned. > > [stifling a
guffaw]Don't choke.> > Try Jim De Arrass. WA4ONG, @WA4ONG in
Richmond Virginia.> > Then, let us know how successful you
are.If he sends it, I will issue one.> > Then send me mail and
I'll tell you how to get in touch with people who are > working
with TCP/IP in Virginia and can give you an address.> Strange,
Jon, since I made you coordinator of the Charlottesville subnet,
you  have yet to report ONE SINGLE ip address assignment to me.
You have been out  of the picture for 6 months, on your own
work.  And now you attack me because I  don't respond to your
demands that I add certian NET/ROM routes to my G8BPQ  node and
claim that means I am not doing my IP address coordination job
well.There are always problems, but I do a good job.  In the
year you have had a  section of the addresses to assign (given
to you to stop your whining a year  ago), you have not performed
your duty ONCE.> > >> >Thanks, > >Don McGee KF6CJ
[e-mail]> >-- > >Don H. McGee
[e-mail]    KF6CJ>
[e-mail]@handheld.com--Jim De Arras
  | The opinions expressed herein areHand Held Products, Inc.|
not necessarily those of Hand 804.784.3090 voice      | Held
Products, Inc., and may not 804.784.3147 FAX        | even be
mine. Use at your own risk------------------------------Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:10:41 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!caen!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG![e-mail].E
DUSubject: IP Address Coordinator in VA??To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jim De Arras) writes:[a lot of
ranting]*sigh* Jim, you are a psychopath. You are a liar. You
are a sick sick manwho has no grip on reality. IMHO, of
course.Oh, and of course, you are an ASS.Note: Jim is taking a
private email flame war public, I'm sorry to haveit appear here.
I just wanted to give him the above as amunition for theLAWSUIT
for LIBEL he has told me he has asked his lawyers to pursue. He
said that my original posting was a personal attack, and my
spelling ofhis name with two s's at the end was libelous. Hee
Hee... This shouldreally get him going.There is so much more,
but though it might make entertaining reading for some, I just
don't have the time or energy to pursue it.  I suppose it'llall
be public information during the trial :) AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAJim,
FOAD. I'll see you in court. ------------------------------Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:33:18 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv![e-mail]: KA9Q -
What is it?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ben Mehlman) writes:>> The KA9Q package includes AX.25
protocols (and NET/ROM). You don't  >need>> another terminal
program to connect to regular AX.25 packet  >stations>>
(including PBBSs and PacketClusters). >>I was under the
impression that the KA9Q software is a router,  >period, and
that all contacts I made through tcp/ip would be  >accomplised
by using tcp/ip based network protocols/programs such as
>telnet and ftp on my workstation...>>Can someone please explain
what exactly the KA9Q software is used  >for, the basic gist of
how it is used, and what other solutions it  >replaces or
enhances.KA9Q is a router, and a telnet client and server and a
ftp clientand server and a smtp client and server and a bbs and
a netrom nodeand an ax25 terminal program and digipeater. Plus
it makes mountainsof cole slaw in minutes. :-)The official name
for the KA9Q software is NOS, or Network OperatingSystem. It's a
lightweight multitasker running on top of DOS or Unixthat serves
many purposes at once. Unfortunately it's not a real OSand
requires any applications that it multitasks to be compiled
in.But nearly everything you'd want is already in there. It is a
memoryand CPU hog, however, and the latest versions really
require a fastPC to run properly when heavily loaded. A 12 MHz
286 will do, buta 16 MHz 386 would be nice. Note the software
runs in real mode so memory usage is tight. There's little room
for your favorite TSRs.The Sys V Unix varient is an older
version of the program, portedDOS warts and all, over to Unix.
Again it's a monolith and doesn'ttake advantage of Unix's native
multitasking.There's also an OS/2 port that is more up to date
and a Linux portthat apparently takes advantage of the native
OS. I haven't actuallyused the latter two versions.When you
start the program, it looks for a startup file and
configuresitself from that file. The file is just ASCII text
that you could alsomanually type in at the command prompt. There
are a couple dozen commandsthat manage the routing tables,
configure interfaces, open variouskinds of sessions, and switch
windows from one running session toanother. Most versions used
the virtual terminal concept for managingsessions, but I think
there's a version that uses Windows or PresentationManager to
handle screens.>My basic goal here is to get my unix workstation
to the point where I  >can telnet, smtp, etc with other hams and
(maybe)to the internet, ie  >make my machine a presence on the
TCP/IP network.  What software is  >used to accomplish the
interface to the TNC??  If there's more to  >TCP/IP packet
networking than I'm stating here, could someone please  >set me
straignt on it?Probably the easiest way to get your Unix box
onto the radio networkis to run KA9Q on a DOS PC as a router
between your Unix ethernet andthe radio equipment. This works
fairly well, but there are a coupleof gottchas. First your
native TCP on the Unix box is going to betoo agressive in it's
initial packet timing. This will result in aflurry of wasted
packets until it backs off sufficiently for theradio channel.
Second, your native TCP isn't going to know diddlyabout AX25 so
all BBS and simple AX25 chat sessions will have tobe done at the
DOS machine keyboard. Everything else native toyour Unix network
applications will work seamlessly, however,so this is a good way
to go if AX25 chat sessions aren't importantto you, you can
always use telnet to other TCP/IP stations.Your other option is
to use the KA9Q varient for Unix. This willgive you all the
program's functionality including simple AX25chat sessions from
your Unix keyboard, but it won't interfaceproperly with your
native mode TCP/IP on the Unix box. This canbe a major pain if
you intend to use your own application programs through a socket
interface to a distant networked machine. SMTPmail can be made
to work with Smail3 and elm and your other Unixtools,
however.I've seen bits and pieces of an AX25 driver and a
command systemthat would allow you to use your native Unix
TCP/IP on the radio through a serial port to a KISS TNC. It sort
of works, but isn't ready for public consumption yet. It's also
specific to your brandof Unix and TCP/IP support.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992
17:30:51 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv![e-mail]: Need
info : high speed communicationTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Grzegorz Aksamit) writes:>>Hi to all,>Me and my friends (5
people) want to build backbone high speed packet net>on 432MHz.
I've some questions :>1. I've heard about GRAPES 56k modems -
what I need for this modem ? (Is >special radio required, which
TNC , maybe PI card , how much it cost )The modem is an RF
modem. That means it *is* the radio as well as thedata modem. It
outputs on the 28 MHz band, so you need a transverterto move
that up to 432 MHz. We use the Microwave Modules units, butthere
are other transverters that work. You'll also need a
digitalinterface. That can be as simple as a soupped up TNC2, we
includeplans on how to do that, or a PI or Gracillis card will
work directlyplugged into your PC. That's the preferred method
since 56 kb is difficultto stuff through a serial port on a
PC.>2. What about GRAPES modem and other speed of transmision (
I'm afraid that >some of us won't be able to buy an expensive
equipment )-I'm intrested in >9600,19200 and standart
1200bps.The GRAPES modem works at 4 standard speeds, 56k is the
fastest, but it'smodulation method, MSK, is not compatible with
other packet modems. Soit won't interoperate with any but other
GRAPES modems. It's modulationwas designed for minimum bandwidth
occupancy and uses 49 times less bandwidthper baud than a 1200
baud Bell 202 style modem found in ordinary TNCs.>3. What about
tcp/ip on high speed net ( special programs ,packet
drivers?)There are KA9Q drivers for the PI and Gracillis cards.
The soupped upTNC interfaces like an ordinary KISS TNC, but
requires the 16550 chipsin the serial card to keep up with the
modem.Gary KE4ZV------------------------------Date: Thu, 17 Dec
92 08:29:32 CETFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.
sub.org!incom!ghia!khk![e-mail]: PR in
PY4-Land????!!!To: [e-mail] to all readers,
Iom looking for any kind of informations about activities
andpossibilities to use PR in PY4-Land. Will go there and take
my PacketRadioEquipment with. So I would like to know more about
the possible Digipeater,mailboxes, frequencies,
simplex/duplex/shift etc.  If anybody can help me, please send
it either this way or if you areactiv in AmateurRadio you can
send ita also via Packet(DL2FAG @ DB0GV.HES.DEU.EU) or via Amtor
(DL2FAG @ DK0MTV.RPL.DEU.EU)Thanks in advance.
               vy 73 de [e-mail]
(Karl-Heinz Kuehlborn)Am Schindling 12, D-6394 Graevenwiesbach
3, Germany, Voice +49
6086-3176------------------------------Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992
17:22:24 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv![e-mail]: SCO ODT
2.0, TCP/IP and Packet RadioTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chris
Moustakis) writes:>Hi>>I am interested in getting packet tcp/ip
going to a friend of mine using SCO>Unix.  I know this can be
done succesfully with packages like ka9q under DOS>but I would
like to avoid this.>>Are there any s/w packages available that
will interface to tcp/ip to say give>me a slip link to a
destination machine with the same setup?>>I would appreciate any
information that can be providedWell Chris, you can slip over an
ordinary AX25 connection, but thisis a major pain because
there's no way to do automatic connectionsetups for your native
TCP/IP under SCO. You'll have to us cu todo that and transfer
the open port to your native TCP/IP somehowwithout dropping the
connection. You're still better offrunning KA9Q on a DOS box
tucked away in the radio room and letit act as a router between
your Unix ethernet and a KISS TNC andradio. It understands about
ARPing for AX25 addresses to encapsulateyour TCP/IP packets. All
your native networking functions on theUnix box then work
normally. You can't do simple AX25 chat sessionsfrom the Unix
console, but you can from the DOS keyboard if that'simportant.If
you don't have to interface to your native TCP/IP, then the
KA9Qvarient for SysV will work for you. It will use an asy port
to talkto a KISS TNC and radio. Since it contains servers and
clients fortelnet, ftp, and smtp, you'll have most of the
advantages of yournative system without the hassles of a
separate box. The downsideis that if you want to run networked
applications across the network,you can't make use of your
socket or streams libraries. The KA9Qfor Unix varient is
monolithic.Gary KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 17 Dec
92 20:00:57 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: TAPR
9600 bps modemTo:
[e-mail][e-mail]
 writes:> Have the new Tarp 9600 BPS modem been released yet?
Has the new Deviation> meter been released yet!!!The TAPR 9600
bps modem was released in March 1992 and a revision was released
a few weeks ago.  The deviation meter has taken a back seat to
this and some revision to Metcon-1, however, and is still not
ready :-(We are hoping it will be available by the TAPR Annual
Meeting on March 6, 1993.Bob Nielsen W6SWEPresident, Tucson
Amateur Packet
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
17 Dec 92 21:01:49 GMTFrom: [e-mail]:
TCP/IP access on packet radio...To: [e-mail]
couple of points.SLIP is just what is says it is a byte for byte
encapsulation of IP over a serial line (therefore what you said
is correct -- you need an IP address first). Everything else
stays the same, you run TCP or UDP or whatever over the top of
the line and nobody can see the join.PP is not a replacement for
SLIP -- it is different. Have a look at the RFC.KISS is a sort
of SL-AX25 (just thought I'd throw that one in for free
:-)Finally, an "internet" is just a group of interconnected
networks. I work with AppleTalk internets. Note that this sense
of the word is independent of IP or any other protocol stack,
just so long as you can route between networks (layer 3, if my
memory still works)."The Internet" (note the definite article
and the capital 'I') is the collection of networks that you
mention and any other network connected to the Internet.Part of
the problem is that people think of these terms as being
synonymous when in fact they mean particular things.Books to
read:Tannenbaum's "Computer Networks" is good, as are any books
by Comer "Internetworking with TCP/IP (vol. 1 and 2)" and his
Xinu books (especially vol. 2, which outlines an implementation
of a TCP/IP stack for an LSI-11 running Xinu (Xinu Is Not
UNIX)). Both are computer science major level (and beyond texts)
not ham radio "how to" books.BTW, is there an amateur radio
TCP/IP "how to" book? I've read a few of the intro grabed with
ftp, but is there a real book? Could be an opening here!73 de
Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)
[e-mail] your interests match mine? If so call
me. I'd like to hear from you.QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital
voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,Satellites, Antenna
design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave,
QEX------------------------------Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:26:57
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG
![e-mail]: TCP/IP In VA and ApologyTo:
[e-mail] is a first time for everything, and I
have one for you now...I'm eatting crow. Bigtime...I've never
had the occasion where I felt like apologizing for a
publicaction on the net. Sure, people have thought there were
many, but Inever agreed.Well, this time no one even had to
suggest it...I apologize to Jim De Arras for taking a bad
situation and making it worseI really did act in a outrageously
petty manner in my response to a situation.I'm not saying I was
alone in this incident... Just that *MY* actions werecompletely
horrendous. No amount of "But I was right about this" and
"But*HE* said that" etc can account for my acting like a
complete jackass.Rational, helpful, earnest people don't act
like this. And I'd like toconsider myself at least 2 of the 3.I
kinda went nuts at the 'threat' (which was strongly implied, but
never directly stated...) of prosecution, and other noise that
was passing betweenthis fine gentleman and myself.Obviously The
efforts of WA4ONG have been significant in promoting and
organ-izing packet radio. Of course, I apologize to the kind
women and men of the net, and the Amateurcommunity at large. To
expose you fine people to such obscene behaviour isNOT how I
want you to remember me.So, it's done. Things will get better. I
will grow from this. Thanks foryour time.BTW: I have cancelled
my posting from earlier, and I hope they never makeit to your
site. They are a matter of public record to those who have
beenexposed to them. I know you won't give them any merit, they
are derangedresponses to a bad
situation.------------------------------Date: 17 Dec 1992
13:48:16 -0600From:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!gateway@network.U
CSD.EDUSubject: VA IP CoordinatorTo: [e-mail]
for the replies on my request for the name of the VirginiaIP
address coordinator. For the information of anyone interested, I
got an address assignment from Jim De Arrass in less than an
hour.Don  [e-mail]
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Fri,
18 Dec 1992 01:13:11 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!caen!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG![e-mail].E
DUSubject: VA IP CoordinatorTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Don
H. McGee) writes:>Thanks for the replies on my request for the
name of the Virginia>IP address coordinator. For the information
of anyone interested, >I got an address assignment from Jim De
Arrass in less than an hour.I'm sure you did. Since this little
flap has come up, Jim seems interestedin quickly responding to
his responsiblities. I'm glad some good has comefrom it. Just so
you're not deluded, however, when you do get online, talkto some
people about their experiences. :)>Don
[e-mail] [e-mail] this
Exhibit C :)------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #341******************************Date: Sat, 19 Dec
92 04:30:03 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #342To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
19 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  342Today's Topics:
     IP Address Assignment in Boston Area             Is there a
packet BBS at Fairbanks, Alaska ?                          KA9Q
- What is it?                    rsgb gb2rs news 20th december
              SMC: "Above and beyone the call..."
   TCP/IP access on packet radio...Send Replies or notes for
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there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 18 Dec 92 19:34:15 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!
news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!ceylon!bunny.gte.com![e-mail]
D.EDUSubject: IP Address Assignment in Boston AreaTo:
[e-mail] anyone know who assigns IP addresses
for packet in the Boston area?  Please reply to: [e-mail]
and thank you.Alan R. Bugos, N1NQIGTE Laboratories,
Inc.Photonics Techniques Department40 Sylvan RoadWaltham, MA
02254INTERNET:  [e-mail]------------------------------Date:
18 Dec 92 16:51:16 GMTFrom:
access.usask.ca!skyfox![e-mail]: Is there
a packet BBS at Fairbanks, Alaska ?To: [e-mail]
there a packet BBS at Fairbanks do you know... and what is the
address??????  IS there a general packet BBS directory available
for north america ?please reply to
[e-mail]... 73'sandre phillips   ZL3AW
 (from downunder - temporarily
topside...)------------------------------Date: 18 Dec 92
21:45:08 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!stanford.edu!app
le![e-mail]: KA9Q - What is it?To:
[e-mail]>In a previous article, I wrote:>> The KA9Q
package includes AX.25 protocols (and NET/ROM). You don't
>need>> another terminal program to connect to regular AX.25
packet  >stations>> (including PBBSs and PacketClusters). In
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Ben Mehlman) writes:>I was under the
impression that the KA9Q software is a router,  >period, and
that all contacts I made through tcp/ip would be  >accomplised
by using tcp/ip based network protocols/programs such as
>telnet and ftp on my workstation...The KA9Q package, being
primarily TCP/IP software, does include FTP,telnet, and SMTP.
(And some other TCP/IP protocols that I don'tunderstand ... :-)
)> What software is used to accomplish the interface to the
TNC??  Same package. Because Phil wrote this implementation of
TCP/IP especially for amateur radio (even though non-hams are
also usingit), it has all the necessary code to talk to KISS
software in a TNC.>If there's someone in SE Connecticut who's
doing this kind of thing,  >I would very much like to talk to
you about what's going on around  I see that Brian Kantor just
posted a new IP address coordinatorslist, so the CT coordinator
should be able to point you towardssomeone in your area. I know
there's a big TCP net in the northeast.73,Patty N6BIS--
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    ::   Patty Winter N6BIS           Internet: [e-mail]
::             ::   Sunnyvale, California           AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
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------------------------------Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:29:29
+0000From: pipex!demon!tedb.demon.co.uk![e-mail]:
rsgb gb2rs news 20th decemberTo: [e-mail]
morning. It's Sunday the 20th of December and here is the GB2RS
newsbroadcast, prepared by the Radio Society of Great
Britain.First the headlines:- RA announces new reciprocal
licence between the UK andPitcairn Island: Morag Howell,
VP8/GB4MSS, faces a white Christmas inAntarctica giving radio
support to Ran Fiennes and Mike Stroud: The IrishRadio
Transmitters Society plan a EI Christmas Activity Day.The
Radiocommunications Agency has informed the Society that there
is now aReciprocal agreement between the UK and Pitcairn Island.
The agreement allowsfor reciprocation between the UK Class A
licence and the Pitcairn Island FullLicence.RSGB member, Morag
Howell does not have to dream of a white Christmas. Fromher
small unheated tent below Antarctica's Ellsworth Mountains,
withtemperatures dropping to minus 15 degrees Centigrade Morag,
VP8/GB4MSS, is theradio operator for the Pentland South Pole
expedition which is attempting thefirst crossing of Antarctica
on foot to raise two million pounds for TheMultiple Sclerosis
Society. Every day Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Dr MichaelStroud
report their progress to her by short wave radio. Morag then
relays thenews to her husband Lawrance at home in Aberdeenshire,
Scotland, by radio orspecially-adapted satellite telephone. The
latest report thirty days into theexpedition is that Mike and
Ran have climbed more than 4,000 feet towards theAntarctic
Plateau, maintaining excellent progress en route to Scott Base
viathe South Pole. They have now covered 350 miles to reach 83
degrees 55 minutesSouth and 39 degrees and 46 minutes West as of
last Monday evening, and werewell ahead of target to reach half
way to the South Pole, by last Tuesdaynight.Following the
success of the EI Activity Day held on 17th March, the
IrishRadio Transmitters Society has decided to promote a second
EI Activity day togive Amateurs and SWL's worldwide another
chance to qualify for the IRTSDiamond Jubilee Award. The set
date is Sunday the 27th of December and all EICounties should be
active. The Diamond Jubilee Award is being issued to markthe
Diamond Jubilee of the IRTS which was founded 60 years ago in
1932. It isavailable to Amateurs who work at least 20 of the 26
EI Counties during 1992,SWL's on a heard basis, on any band, any
mode, no endorsements.QSL cards are not required, but you will
need to send a log extract verifiedby two amateurs together with
three Irish Republic Pounds, or equivalent, tothe Diamond
Jubilee Awards Manager, IRTS, P.O. Box 462, Dublin 9. Latest
datefor receipt of applications is 31st March 1993.Now some
items of HF DX news from the weekly RSGB DX News Sheet which
isedited by Brendan McCartney,
G4DYO.------------------------------Date: 18 Dec 92 18:51:06
GMTFrom: naucse!nauvax.ucc.nau.edu![e-mail]: SMC:
"Above and beyone the call..."To: [e-mail] a
previous article, [e-mail] wrote:>connections and
10baseT.  Well, OK, I thought.  My NeXT cube has a twisted->pair
type connector, so no problem, right?  Obviously, I'm a bit
naive about >Ethernet!  On doing some reading, I discovered that
I would now need a >"concentrator" to be able to hook up my 386
to my NeXT.  They turn out to cost >~$500.If you only need to
connect two machines with 10baseT you don't need a hub. You can
just connect them with a simple crossover cable.  Wire the
RJ45connectors like this:           Pin #s     TX+  1 ---- 3
RX+     TX-  2 ---- 6  RX-     RX+  3 ---- 1  TX+     RX-  6
---- 2  TX-When looking at the male connector (the one on the
cable)  from the end withthe little locking piece of plastic
pointing down,  the righmost pin is #1 and the leftmost is
#8.--------------------------------------------------------------
------------Chris Michels -- Systems Programmer
[e-mail] Arizona University -- Flagstaff,
AZ    [e-mail]: [phone]
      N7YIU------------------------------Date: 18 Dec 92
21:49:18 GMTFrom: stanford.edu!apple![e-mail]:
TCP/IP access on packet radio...To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Kevin Purcell, Rho) writes:>Books to
read:>>Tannenbaum's "Computer Networks" is good, as are any
books by Comer >"Internetworking with TCP/IP (vol. 1 and 2)" and
his Xinu books >. Both are computer >science major level (and
beyond texts) not ham radio "how to" books.I have Doug Comer's
first internetworking book, and I understood mostof it even
though I wasn't a CS major. So if you're interested in thetopic,
give Kevin's suggested books a look.Patty--
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    ::   Patty Winter N6BIS           Internet: [e-mail]
::             ::   Sunnyvale, California           AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
         ::
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------------------------------Date: (null)From: (null)Rally
news:No rallies are planned now until the 24th of January
1993.Contest news:The next RSGB Contest is the 7MHz LF
Cumulative for Sunday the 27th ofDecember, from 1000 to 1200GMT.
See December's RadCom page 62 for furtherdetails. On the VHF
front, the RSGB 70, 144 and 432MHz Fixed Station Contestis
scheduled to run from Saturday the 26th, to Tuesday the 29th of
December,from 1400 to 1600GMT each day. See July RadCom for
further details.Repeater news:By last Wednesday the 16th of
December, the RSGB Repeater Management Group'slatest issue of
Repeater Report, dated November 1992 had been posted to
allVoice, TV and RTTY Repeater Keepers. Any Repeater keeper who
has not receivedhis copy is asked to contact John Davies at RSGB
Headquarters.Beacon News next:By Friday the 18th, all known RSGB
Beacon Keepers, from 28MHz to 24GHz havebeen sent a Beacon
package. The package contains the beacon details which needto be
checked and updated as necessary, then signed before being
returned toRSGB HQ. Any person who is a current Beacon Keeper
and has not received aBeacon package is asked to contact John
Davies at RSGB Headquarters.And now the solar factual data:The
period 7th to 13th December has seen little solar activity and
no flaresof any note were recorded, with the quiet side of the
sun looking our way. Sunspot counts meaned about the 106s,
though they rose from 58 up to 154 over theperiod. Solar flux
levels also rose every day and averaged 148 units, thoughthe
13th was up to 173 units. The geomagnetic activity has
surprisingly beenup to sub storm levels on the 8th with an Ap
index of 32 units, about K4. Thisis believed due to the passage
of a coronal hole, from then on it declined,becoming quiet by
the 12th. The period averaged 16 units. The state has beennil,
nothing to report all the period. The radio quality Indices were
atnormal levels during the period, though the Boulder Fort
Collins circuit wasup to very good at times, there was no poor
day. The aa indices as reported bythe British Geological Survey
are not complete this week, but for the period1st to the 4th
December the daily averages were 25.7 nanoTeslas about
quietlevels. The Ursids Meteor shower which started on the 17th
of December, willpeak on the 23rd and finish on the 25th.
Bartells rotation 2177 started onlast Thursday the 17th of
December.Now the ionospheric data for Central France:The F2
daytime critical frequencies at Poitiers as reported by Meudon
averaged10.9MHz, and the darkness hour lows 3.4MHz. Spread F was
reported at timeslasting up to 3 hours some days. Both daily
highs and darkness lows did notvary much day to day, showing the
more southern ionosphere is much morestable.Now the ionospheric
data for the north:The F2 daytime critical frequencies at
Ekaterinberg averaged 10.1MHz and thedarkness hour lows 2.7MHz.
The latest news about the Lerwick ionosonde is thatit is
working, but can only produce a paper trace. The computer
softwarerequired to produce the digital information for
transmission over the phoneline is not yet satisfactory.And
lastly the solar forecast:This week, the active side of the sun
will be looking our way. Solar fluxlevels are expected to be
about the 155s. Geomagnetic activity is expected tobe unsettled
up to the 23rd, then decline to quiet levels.
Ionosphericconditions are expected to be good most of the time
with daytime MUFs up to30MHz, and darkness hour levels up to
14MHz with north/south paths beingpossibly up to 18MHz.
And that's the end of the solar information.Finally in the main
news, SSL, has informed the Society that as of lastWednesday
morning, the latest callsigns issued were in the G0 S T andG7 N
X series, and Novice calls in the 2 0 A E and 2 1 B I
series.You're listening to GB2RS, the news broadcasting service
of the Radio Societyof Great Britain, transmitting in the 80,
40, 6 and 2 metre bands.------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #342******************************Date:
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Digest V92 #343To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
20 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  343Today's Topics:
    1200 bps modem standards: deviation?
Current BM Sources Needed                      DRSI config (help
please)                           Hi-Speed Packet            NOS
(packet): Can serial port get BBS access?
   PACSAT software     Reply to "Packet-Radio Digest V92 #342"
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-----------Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:16:24 +0000From:
pipex!demon!fusk.demon.co.uk![e-mail]: 1200 bps
modem standards: deviation? To: [e-mail]
professional systems use 60% of peak deviation and a
flatresponse (i.e. no pre-emphasis in the Tx or de-emphasis in
the Rx).This means both tones at 3kHz for channel spacing of
25kHz (peak dev.5 kHz). I have my packet system set up this way.
I would guess a lot of people end up with pre/de-emphasis due
toinjecting the tones at the mic. connector and tapping off the
speakerconnections.Dave--David BrookeOver
[e-mail]         [e-mail]
   [e-mail]         G6GZH @
GB7MHD------------------------------Date: 19 Dec 92 12:58:09
GMTFrom:
pa.dec.com!sousa.tay.dec.com!bobseg.enet.dec.com!segrest@decwrl.d
ec.comSubject: Current BM Sources NeededTo:
[e-mail],I need to get a copy of the most
current sources for BM (the nos mailer).If anyone cna help me
identify a ftp site I would very much appreciate atimely
response.  Any set of source files would be useful.--Bob
Segrest,
[e-mail]------------------------------Da
te: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:25:53 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!torn!watserv2.uwaterloo.ca!watse
rv1!norton.uwaterloo.ca![e-mail]: DRSI
config (help please)To: [e-mail] friends in
Indonesia (YB-land) just received several DRSI PCPA
cards(unfortunately, without any manuals). We would greatly
appreciateif someone can give some info on:    SW-1
configuration.    DB-9F pin out.    interrupt vectors & addresses.We
would greatly appreciate any help.Responds can be directed to me
or directly to Indonesia    Armein Langi VE4ARM/YB1 -
indogtw!paume![e-mail] you in advance.73 Onno
YC1DAV/VE3 -sk-        [e-mail]
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 19
Dec 1992 19:17:13 -0500From:
hela.iti.org!cs.widener.edu!widener![e-mail]:
Hi-Speed PacketTo: [e-mail]-SPEED HAM PACKETI
currently own a DVR2-2, a KAM and a little pc hardware.I have
some questions:1) what is required to run tcp/ip under a USL
SVR4 derivative?2) Has anyone every written any software to make
a packet station into atcp/ip terminal server?3) I have for a
long time enjoyed the excellence of Kantronicsequipment, is
there any reason not buy there new Data Engine?4) What links can
be made between packet, and connecting to a unix boxover the
air? (rlogin into my unix box via amateur packet)I know very
little about running tcp/ip under packet. I am quiteinterested
thow, and wish to design a new station for it.thank you in
advance.73,[e-mail]3gwg@k3pgb.#epa.pa.usa
.na(215)-338-6005 (voice)please reply via netmail or postings
(no packet please the station istemporarilly
down)------------------------------Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992
16:36:24 -0600From:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!kksys.
com!tdkt![e-mail]: NOS (packet): Can
serial port get BBS access?To: [e-mail]'m very new
to packet radio TCP/IP stuff.  I'm using version: KA9Q
version911229 (PA0GRI v2.0h) TCMAN v920420aI believe some things
were tweeked a bit for the Twin City Metro Area Network. Idon't
think anything major was done...  With that out of the way...
I'm goingto try to ask the question the best I can.Because I am
sometimes away from my home, but would still like to use a lot
ofthe services NOS provides, I was trying to think of a way to
get into NOS viaModem.  I run a landline bulletin board system
with DesqView.  But, for now,let's pretend that isn't an issue.I
am wondering if there is a way to get nos to send out some sort
of loginprompt directly to a modem so that if the modem were
called, a person would beable to check into the PBBS and do
things such as telnet to other packet sights. What I'd really
like is to also have options where ttylink could be used,
butthat's getting ahead of myself.I was thinking that one
possible way to do it would be to run some sort ofprogram (or
use dos CTTY somehow) that would just send all of nos's output
outthe modem.  (In other words, send input and receive output
from the serialport).  I have no idea how this would work, but
the first step is to ask: is itpossible?I was trying to speak
with some friends of mine about this, and they couldn'tthink of
an easy way to do it.If you have a good answer, keep in mind
that there are other problems. NOS runsin a DesqView window.  My
BBS runs in another window.  (Maybe that is actuallygood.. is
there a way to cross windows somehow?)Oh well.  I just thought
I'd ask.  Thanks for reading thisErik * Origin: Dark Knight's
Table - N0SVX - Minnetonka, MN
(1:282/31)------------------------------Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992
14:04:03 GMTFrom:
haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu![e-mail]: PACSAT
softwareTo: [e-mail], we snagged the DSP-1232.
So where can we get PACSATsoftware from??-Thomas
N3HAU------------------------------Date: 19 Dec 92 15:17:04
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Reply to
"Packet-Radio Digest V92 #342" (12/19/92 10:13:50)To:
[e-mail]**
Terry------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
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Digest V92 #344To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
21 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  344Today's Topics:
   Help with Standard C118 and PACKRAT-64.
looking for an ascii PK232 file                          packet
freqencies              Problems with 66 MHz 486 machines?
(Dell)                                reply
     TCP and Ethernet                            True FM @
438Send Replies or notes for publication to:
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otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
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personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
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-----------Date: 17 Dec 92 22:28:57 +1700From:
newsfeed.rice.edu!lub001.lamar.edu![e-mail].e
duSubject: Help with Standard C118 and PACKRAT-64.To:
[e-mail] was asked to seek information:A local ham
wants to use a Standard C118 2 meter rig and packrat-64 TNCand
software for packet.  His question:Does anyone have any ideas
about the wiring for the Standard to the tnc?Also, where is a
good source of crystals (This model is crystal operated)can be
purchased for 145.01?Written for N5VZT by N5UYHPlease respond
email to ---> [e-mail] in
advance....------------------------------Date: 21 Dec 92
01:41:34 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.ed
u!mscf.med.upenn.edu![e-mail]: looking
for an ascii PK232 fileTo: [e-mail] I misplaced a
file that I had ftp'd about a year ago containing much
information about the PK232.  The ascii file had all commands
and syntax for the pk232 and was very useful.  I'd like to find
the file again so that I can have it on-line at our school
shack.I've spent the better part of an afternoon searching via
archie and ftp-lists, but I haven't been able to locate the file
on any of the places I thought I might find it (the har-radio
archive sites).If anyone has the file or any help to offer me
with regards to where I might find it I'd be very grateful.
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email=[e-mail]
callsign=KA2ZBAundergrad=Electrical Engineering BSE
grad=MD/Biophysics PhD   Private
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------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 21
Dec 1992 05:03:06 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.colu
mbia.edu!eff!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!mhc.mtholyoke.edu!wv
[e-mail]: packet freqenciesTo:
[e-mail] anyone know the western massachusetts
packet frequencies?tnx and 3's de
AJ0AE------------------------------Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992
04:39:01 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!bt
[e-mail]: Problems with 66 MHz 486
machines? (Dell)To: [e-mail] just got a Dell
486/D66 66 MHz 486 machine, and one day aftertaking it out of
the box, it lost its CMOS bios configuration.Dell talked me
through tightening the battery connections to the board.Two days
later, while starting windows the machine hung and lostits bios
configuration again... I am starting to think that maybe the 66
MHz motherboard technology hasn't been debugged enough.  My 20
MHz 386 machine at home hangsevery once in a while when I am
running 2 meter amateur packet radio(with a 144 MHz 2 Watt
transmitter right next to the machinee).Any thoughts?  Or
suggestions?  Our research group cannot afford toget stuck with
a lemon machine with funding the way it is. (or ever!)Thanks.
Please respond via email.Brad Banko-- Brad Banko;  Dept of
Physics;  U of Illinois;
[e-mail]=================================================
========================Tatiana Gutsu for President!
        73 de kb8cne @
n9lnq.il------------------------------Date: 20 Dec 92 13:33:23
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: replyTo:
[e-mail] ben blij dat ik hier in het
noordenwoon,hier hebben wij helemaal geenenkel probleem met niet
antwoorden ofslechte service.vaak wordt mijn nummergenoteerd en
wordt ik teruggebeld alseen functionaris in gespprek is!!
eenanderiedee zou zijn : zelf bouwen,danben je een echte amateur
en hebt nooitzo'n "vervelend" bedrijf nodig.73 RobVia Packet
Systems VERON Friese Wouden, Beetsterzwaag, Fr.
PI8FWD.#FRL.NLD.EUPLEASE reply to the list, NOT to the From:
addressbecause this mail is sent through a one-way
gateway!------------------------------Date: 20 Dec 1992 14:13:25
-0600From: usc!cs.utexas.edu![e-mail]:
TCP and EthernetTo: [e-mail], I have a
Class B network, at the office, with an Ethernet backbone. My
officecomputer is on this Ethernet, running SCO Sys V, 3.2. I
have another machine (MSDOS) that is running KA9Q NOS. One port
is to aTNC (KISS) amd radio, the other port is available )for a
SLIP line. etc.). My questions: (1) What would be best: a SLIP
line between the two machines, or an Ethernet adaptor (3-Com) on
the NOS machine?(2) Should tof the two ends of the SLIP line be
a part of the Class B office net or should they be in the
44.nn.nn.nn ampr.org net?(3) Does KA9Q NOS allow different IP
addresses for the SLIP port and theAX25 port on the NOS
machine?Any help or comments would be appreciated, especially
from those of youthat have put a ham TCP/IP machine on a local
Ethernet. Thanks, Don McGee   [e-mail]
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Sun,
20 Dec 92 11:40:53 MSTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stat![e-mail]
t: True FM @ 438To: [e-mail] need a radio that can
easily be modified for 438 mhz and true FM torun a 9600 baud
packet link.Any suggestions besides commercial gear?David wb7tpy

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Packet-Radio Digest V92 #344******************************Date:
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Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #345To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
22 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  345Today's Topics:
          English docs for TPK 1.80              FM Walkman Type
Digital Reciever (2 msgs)              ftp site for ANALYZE
(ANA109) for aa4re ?               Gateway 2m/Internet in the
Dallas area?                      Help with 151 mhz packet?
           Internet acces in the Dallas area??
 NNTP Services via Satellite ??                     Returned
mail: User unknown                        Satellite Call
Signs?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 21 Dec 1992 13:16 PSTFrom:
cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!erich.triumf.ca![e-mail]
on.eduSubject: English docs for TPK 1.80To:
[e-mail] number of local packet users have started
using the program "TPK ver. 1.80"as a user terminal program for
use with the F6FBB BBS.  Unfortunately, sincethe program was
written in France, almost all the documentaion and help filesare
in french.  Does anyone know of a source for English
documentation for thisprogram?For those who haven't heard of it,
TPK automatically collects message headersand selected sorts of
messages (eg. all @AMSAT, all SALE, etc) greatly reducingthe
time a user is connected to the BBS. All message transfers are
done incompressed form, further reducing connect time.(If we
could read the docs, it would be even more useful!)Packet:
ve7cei@ve7kit.#van.bc.ca (or something like that?)Peter Bennett
VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in
sightInternet: [e-mail]   | of one another only
when one can beBitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed
visually from the otherTRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |
                     ColRegs
3(k)------------------------------Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:01:29
GMTFrom:
sun-barr!male.EBay.Sun.COM!exodus.Eng.Sun.COM!sunglasses.Eng.Sun.
COM![e-mail]: FM Walkman Type Digital RecieverTo:
[e-mail] There,    Does anybody know of a single
chip implementation of an     FM digital reciever for something
like a walkman.     I want to build a walkman and am looking to
make it as     small as those in the market. If I have this single
chip    implemetaion ( reciever, tuner, PLL etc), it will make    my
task easy.    Please email any information directly. If any of you
need    the same info, I'll collate and post it.    Thanks a
lot.Anand--R. K. Anand                                 Phone:(w)415-336 2558 Sun
Microsystems
           MS 19-02,2550, Garcia Avenue            email:
[e-mail] Mountain View, CA 94043

------------------------------Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:46:55
GMTFrom:
news.mtholyoke.edu!mhc.mtholyoke.edu![e-mail]:
FM Walkman Type Digital RecieverTo: [e-mail] a
lm1304 and a lm1310 chipif you want pinouts email me your USPS
and i will send it to
youwayne------------------------------Date: 21 Dec 92 12:56:00
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: ftp site for ANALYZE
(ANA109) for aa4re ?To: [e-mail] sent:
21-DEC-1992 07:54:12 I am looking for an ftp site for ANALYZE,
as recently announced by wa6aeo @ wa6aeo.ca.usaI have looked at
ucsd, wuarchive.wustl.edu, but to no avail.Any help would be
greatly
appreciated.thankyou...Darrell~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~Darrell G. LeavittSUNY Empire State College (ESC)
ESC VAX: DLEAVITT403 Sibley Hall                   SUNYNET:
SESCVA::DLEAVITTPlattsburgh, New York, USA,12901  INTERNET:
[e-mail]    : [phone]
   AMATEURBitNet   : LEAVITDG@SNYPLAVA      PACKET:  N2IXL @
KD2AJ.ENY.NY.USA.NALatitude: 44 41 58 N              Longitude:
73 27 12 W~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Date:
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Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #346To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
24 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  346Today's Topics:
                COM4 and YAPP                           High
Speed links                        HOKA Code3 Demodulator
              Program for a tnc in COM4?
Satellite Call Signs?                     Usenet via Satellite
in UK?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 24 Dec 92 05:07:15 GMTFrom:
[e-mail]: COM4 and YAPPTo:
[e-mail] need the YAPPB program with an external
combios like MBBIOS.  Thiswill work with any port/IRQ setting.
Look in ucsd.edu andtomcat.gsfc.nasa.gov for MBBIOS.Roy,
AA4RE------------------------------Date: 18 Dec 92 17:36:30
GMTFrom: gatech!pitt!darth!n3eop![e-mail]: High
Speed linksTo: [e-mail] friend of mine is looking
to set up a remote digital link that can support at least 19.2K
full duplex.  I figure that a pair of 56K GRAPES modems can
work, especially if they can go full duplex.However, the
software used is designed for a direct link, or optionally a
phone modem.  So, using standard COM ports are required, and
they are already set up with NS16550AFN UARTs.  We have done
some testing with standard TNC2s full duplex (wired and dual
band rigs), so setting CONPERM and TRANS will give acceptable
results.Does operation with the GRAPES modems change the way
that TNCs operate, other than the increased speed?  I assume
that there is a way to increase the TNC to talk to the computer
at 57600 or faster.Anyone have any
ideas?------------------------------Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992
16:39:40 GMTFrom: ctbilbo![e-mail]: HOKA Code3
DemodulatorTo: [e-mail] who has experience
with the HOKA Code3, please post yourimpressions and
opinions.Does it do well with all of the modes it is advertised
to handle?What is the user interface like?Does the automatic
mode selection work?Is there a US distributor?Thanks & 73 de
pete wb5kly--
*****************************************************************
*************** Pete Ritter    uunet!ctbilbo!pete          |
Yu no can kaikai buai na    ** Communications Technology Corp.
Dallas, Tx |    spet long makit.
*****************************************************************
***************------------------------------Date: 24 Dec 92
00:16:02 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!think.com!enterpoop.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.s
e!lunic!sunic!news.funet.fi!aton.abo.fi![e-mail]
bject: Program for a tnc in COM4?To: [e-mail]
software and COM4
  I have used my telephone modem software, Telemate
version 3.1, for packet radio as well because I        have
become familiar with that program.         However, it does not
support binary file transfer        using Yapp-protocol. And all
Yapp-capable programs        I have found in various Internet
FTP-servers do not        like a TNC connected to COM4-port...
They know only        ports 1 and 2 (and those two are needed
for other        devices than tnc).         Would anyone know of
a program that supports both        com3/4 and yapp file
transfer? If such a program         exists, is it available to
anonymous download from        some ftp-server??
73 and merry xmas,        Mika
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                  ------------------------------Date: Wednesday,
23 Dec 1992 16:29:07 CETFrom:
swrinde!gatech!darwin.sura.net!paladin.american.edu!news.univie.a
c.@!blekul11!frmop11!dearn!esoc![e-mail]:
 Satellite Call Signs?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(andycornwall) says:>............................. The info. I
have available refers to>the acronyms UO-22, KO-23, UO-14,
LO-19, FO-20, AO-16, which do not>seem to be call signs.>
If you know what the call signs of these satellites are, will
you>please tell me about them.Satellites (military, commericial
or amateur) do not have callsigns.They have names, IDs, ASWs and
the lot but no callsigns.Wolf, DL3ZBJ, AB6EL,
VK6BGV.------------------------------Date: 24 Dec 92 03:12:49
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Usenet via Satellite
in UK?To: [e-mail]    I was interested in the
information recently posted mentioning a9600bps satellite
service broadcasting usenet news. I've been looking forsomething
like this for a while. I take it there would be some
(possiblyinsurmountable) problems in receiving the services
mentioned in the UK.Does a similar service exist covering the UK
?    Please send any info to the address below as I'm very likely
to missanything posted. Thanks,            Steve.Email:
[e-mail]:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 24 Dec 92
01:34:57 GMTFrom: eram![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Cheapest
way to get on PacketIn article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Gregory Lapin) writes:| >    1. The
BAYPAC (model BP-1) (page 140 November 1992 QST, or page 83| |
The modem stopped working suddenly one day.  Not only was it
broken (it| uses a custom IC chip making it a little difficult
to debug) but the COMCustom chip?  Doesn't it use a TCM3105 like
the others?  Or is thissome other chip?-- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)
        VK2KFU @ [e-mail]
...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #346******************************Date:
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Digest V92 #347To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Fri,
25 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  347Today's Topics:
     1200 bps modem standards: deviation?
gb2rs news 27th december 1992                           High
Speed links                        HOKA Code3 Demodulator
                  TINY-2 & Asc > 127Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 25 Dec 92 00:14:03 GMTFrom:
uswnvg!nv2.uswnvg.com![e-mail]: 1200 bps
modem standards: deviation?To: [e-mail]
almost everyone agrees on using about 3 kHz deviation on
FMpacket at 1200 bps, there seems to be some disagreement about
the use ofpre/de-emphasis.  There must be someone who has gone
through theexercise of measuring error rates and/or noise floor
and perhaps evenmultipath tolerance for the four obvious
permutations:1. no emphasis2. complementary pre/de-emphasis (6
dB/octave)3. transmitter pre-emphasized, receiver flat4.
transmitter flat, receiver de-emphasizedHow about it guys?73,
Terry--Terry Conboy                    email: [e-mail] S WEST
NewVector Group            profs: uswnvg(tconboy)3350 - 161st Ave SE,  MS
571            office: [phone]Bellevue, WA 98008                fax:    (206)
450-8399------------------------------Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992
04:55:57 +0000From:
pipex!demon!tedb.demon.co.uk![e-mail]: gb2rs news
27th december 1992To: [e-mail] morning. It's
Sunday the 27th of December and here is the GB2RS newsbroadcast,
prepared by the Radio Society of Great Britain.First the
headlines:- RSGB members have raised 4,500 for Albania;
Raynetgroups have been in action in Peterborough; and the
January RadCom has beenposted.The RSGB Mencap Albania Appeal,
launched last April, has raised more than4,500 to help the
mentally handicapped people in Albania. Full details,including
prize winners, appear in January's edition of Radio
Communication.The major prizes will be presented at a ceremony
in early 1993 at which theRSGB's cheque will also be handed over
to Mencap.The Pentland South Pole Expedition is still ahead of
schedule. Each man has topull a sled which is now down to 300lb.
The effort has lost 15lb body weightper man. Ran Fiennes and
Mike Stroud are still in good spirits and are due atthe South
Pole in Mid January. Activity continues from Morag, GB4MSS/VP8
atthe Patriot Hills base camp. We are sure that all those
listening to thisbroadcast will join us in wishing the
expedition all the very best forChristmas and the New
Year.January's Radio Communication has now been posted to all
RSGB members. Itincludes a full description of the Licence
changes regarding EMC, and givesdetails of the
Radiocommunications Agency's new EMC Leaflet, EMC and the
RadioAmateur. Details are also given of the latest licensing
negotiations betweenthe RSGB and the RA and there is a full
report of the meeting between the RA,the City and Guilds and the
RSGB to review the first year of the NoviceLicence.On the 14th
of December Raynet groups in the North Cambridgeshire Area
werealerted to a serious problem at the Peterborough General
Hospital. Led byRoger, G6CKR, of the Four Counties Raynet Group,
communications were rapidlyrestored within the Peterborough
General Hospital where all telephone paging,cardiac arrest alert
and similar systems had failed. Later additional Raynetoperators
were called in from Cambridge, Forest Heath, Leicester and
manyother surrounding groups with groups further afield being
put on standby. Thehospital systems returned to acceptable
working condition the followingmorning and the Raynet operation
was stood down. However, the telephonesystems failed twice more
that week and on both occasions Raynet installedlocal
communications and supported the hospital administration.
Altogether inexcess of 675 man-hours and some 120 Raynet
operators were involved in thesethree operations.Now some items
of HF DX news from the weekly RSGB DX News Sheet which isedited
by Brendan McCartney, G4DYO. From Antigua, VE3BW will sign
V2/VE3BWfrom Friday the 1st of January until Friday the 29th of
January, on all bands,using mainly CW. From the Seychelles,
I5JHW will sign S75S from Praslin Islandfrom Monday the 28th of
December until Sunday the 10th of January, on allbands but
especially the WARC and LF bands, using SSB, CW and RTTY.
FromGabon, TR8NSY is active on 40m CW after 2200GMT. From New
Caledonia, FK8CR isnow active on 80m for Europe around
1830GMT.Rally news now and we know of no rallies planned until
the 24th of January1993.Next a date for your diary:The largest
amateur radio exhibition in Europe, Ham Radio at
Friedrichshafen,Germany, will take place from Friday the 25th to
Sunday the 27th of June.February RadCom will contain full
details of an organised trip from Britain tovisit this
prestigious event.Some HF Contest news now:RSGB LF Cumulative
Contest sessions take place as follows: The 7MHz event
isscheduled for Saturday the 2nd of January, from 1000 to
1200GMT. The 3.5MHz ison Sunday the 3rd of January, from 1600 to
1800GMT. And 1.8MHz is on Mondaythe 4th, from 2000 to 2200GMT.
For further details see December's RadCom page62. On the VHF
front, there is still time to take part in the RSGB 70, 144
and432MHz Fixed Station Contest, which started yesterday the
26th and finishes onTuesday the 29th of December. The contest
runs each day from 1400 to 1600GMT.See July RadCom for full
details.A reminder now to all Repeater Groups that if they do
not wish to continuewith the RSGB's public liability insurance
after the end of March 1993, theymust contact the RSGB's
Repeater Management Group Chairman, Geoff Dover, G4AFJeither
direct or via RSGB HQ.The Central Birmingham VHF repeater GB3BM
has now closed down due to problemsof security at the site, and
the repeater keeper has relinquished thefranchise. The
franchises for GB3BM and GB3AM in South Birmingham are nowvacant
and any group of radio amateurs is invite d

 to contact the RSGB'sRepeater Management Group with a view to
taking over either or bothfranchises. Application should be in
writing to the RMG Chairman, Geoff Dover,G4AFJ, whose address is
correct in the RSGB's Call Book. The Midland arearepeaters
GB3BX, GB3CF, GB3MH and GB3WK are now on time clock operation,
from0700 to 1800GMT until further notice.And now the solar
factual data:This week due to the Christmas holiday we have had
to forego some data. Forthe period 14th to 18th December with
the active side of the sun looking ourway, solar flux levels
have remained high. HF band conditions were good up tothe 17th,
when a sudden storm commencement was recorded at Chambon La
Foret,with a minor magnetic storm being predicted for the 18th
but little came ofit. A stratospheric warming was reported on
the 15th over southern Siberia of30 degrees, with the cold
centre moving towards Greenland. Due to the recentheavy cloud
over Italy the sun spot data is not complete, but spots
appearedto mean about the 140s. No flares of any note have been
reported. The solarflux levels remained high and averaged 154
units. The geomagnetic Ap indiceswere quiet up to the 17th when
the SSC occurred which raised levels tounsettled, giving an
average of 11.8 units for the period. The state has beennil,
nothing to report, except the 'stratwarm'. The radio quality
indices havebeen normal throughout the period with the Boulder
Fort Collins and Tokyocircuits being up to excellent at times.
The aa indices as reported by theBritish Geological Survey for
the period 8th to 14th December gave dailyaverages of 27.4
nanoTeslas, about K3, with little change throughout
theperiod.Now the ionospheric data for Central France:The F2
daytime critical frequencies at Poitiers, as reported by Meudon,
havebeen remarkably steady and averaged 10.8MHz. The darkness
hour lows averaged2.9MHz, though some very early morning periods
of spread F were reportedlasting up to 5 hours on some days.Now
the ionospheric data for the north:The F2 daytime critical
frequencies at Ekaterinberg have remained high andaveraged
10.6MHz, with the darkness hour lows averaging 2.9MHz. What
priceforecasts? Solar cycle 22 showed the steepest sunspot rise
of the past 13cycles, the forecasters had a field day with the
one-year-ahead predictionsbeing constantly updated to predict a
very high or possibly the highest cycle.It did not happen. Since
then, repeated forecasts have been way out, and thespread
between the observed cycle and the predicted one has given the
largestspread of any cycle so far.And lastly the solar
forecast:This week, the quieter side of the sun will be coming
into view, with solarflux levels are expected to be at about the
110s and quiet geomagneticactivity. Ionospheric conditions are
expected to be good, with MUFs up to30MHz during daylight, and
14MHz for the darkness hours.And that's the end of the solar
information.Finally in the main news, SSL, has informed the
Society that as of lastWednesday morning, the latest callsigns
issued were in the G0 S Vand G7 N Y series, and Novice calls in
the 20 A E and 21 B I series.You're listening to GB2RS, the news
broadcasting service of the Radio Societyof Great Britain,
transmitting in the 80, 40, 6 and 2 metre
bands.------------------------------Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992
22:14:01 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]: High
Speed linksTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (paul)
writes:>A friend of mine is looking to set up a remote digital
link that can >support at least 19.2K full duplex.  I figure
that a pair of 56K GRAPES >modems can work, especially if they
can go full duplex.Yes, they are designed to support full duplex
operation. The RF boardis arranged so it can be cut into
separate receiver and transmittersections and housed in
different cabinets if desired for isolation.The data encoder and
decoder are on separate PC boards.>However, the software used is
designed for a direct link, or optionally a >phone modem.  So,
using standard COM ports are required, and they are >already set
up with NS16550AFN UARTs.  We have done some testing with
>standard TNC2s full duplex (wired and dual band rigs), so
setting CONPERM >and TRANS will give acceptable results.>>Does
operation with the GRAPES modems change the way that TNCs
operate, >other than the increased speed?  I assume that there
is a way to increase >the TNC to talk to the computer at 57600
or faster.Well the software and comport hardware issues are a
problem. Rememberthat the modem is a synchronous modem and
supplies all clocks. So youneed a synchronous comm chip to
support it. That typically means an8530 in the PC, or a
buffering TNC. If you wish to ignore AX25 andjust send raw
duplex data, then a synchronous comm port is all you need. But
if you don't have a sync comm port or need to packetizethe data,
then there are complications. A soupped up TNC2 with our special
KISS56 code can support the modemat 56 kb on the RF side, but
we've had problems stuffing the data through an ordinary async
com port at that speed so the KISS56 code handles the data
to/from the PC at 19.2 kb and buffers packets in it's internal
memory. That's ok for a shared channel because it can transfer
data on the serial line while others are sharing the RF channel
at 56 kb. But for full duplex contention free channels, it
limits thruput. Note we suspect the limitation is in the KA9Q
async handler and notin the TNC. Other software may work fine at
this data rate. Laplinkand it's ilk run up to 115 kb over the
standard async port, but inhalf duplex mode of course.With an
8530 talking directly to the modem, data flow is no problem,but
the PC software has to do the packetizing of the data if needed.
For 8530 cards, there are a couple of choices. The Ottawa PI
card is good, but only has half duplex DMA. That would keep it
from supporting full duplex full speed links. The Gracilis
PacketTwin card can support full duplex DMA.For your
application, I would suggest that you experiment with 56 kbwired
links between machines running the software you require. If
thesoftware can handle 56 kb, then a soupped up TNC buffer will
likely work.Gary-- Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,
    | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!garyDestructive Testing Systems |
we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary534 Shannon Way
     |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |
ke4zv![e-mail]------------------------------Date: Thu, 24
Dec 1992 17:35:52 GMTFrom:
usc!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!troach@netw
ork.UCSD.EDUSubject: HOKA Code3 DemodulatorTo:
[e-mail] had a HOKA for a very short period of
time. Never could get it towork properly. When I saw it
demonstrated (live) at the Monitoring Timesconvention in Atlanta
(last fall) I was IMPRESSED. Have since traded itfor some
spectrum analyzers, etc. This unit should be great if youlive in
Europe and want to "decode" some of the more bizarre
diplomaticRTTY stuff. Richard Crisp will probably respond to
this post and since he has myold unit and the time and
intelligence to fool with it, you canprobably expect a bit more
thorough rundown of the unit. It lackedeven an on/off switch,
but did include ghastly software. This is not aunit for the
faint of heart. It also can present (the software)
WEIRDsymptoms. Mine would work (or appear to) in some modes, but
not if Iloaded DOSKEY in high memory. Some/many of the problems
may be the result of quirky
software.tr------------------------------Date: 25 Dec 92
09:01:53 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: TINY-2 &
Asc > 127To: [e-mail] any one modify the TINY-2
code to permit writing ASCII codes greaterthan 127 to be written
 without striped down ?All this are for the PMS (mailbox).We
want to use it for storing Greek letters in the PMS.MARRY
CRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR(please reply direct to Email
below)George Katsimaglis P-mail  : [e-mail]
[ KM17VX ]amprnet : [e-mail]
[44.154.1.3]Internet: [e-mail]  :
[e-mail]    : George Katsimaglis/OITYLOY
13/GR11523 ATHENS/GREECEPhone   : 0030-1-6494447             FAX
    : 0030-1-3218321 ------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #347******************************Date:
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Digest V92 #348To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
26 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  348Today's Topics:
     1200 bps modem standards: deviation?                 IP
Address Assignment in Boston Area             Is there a packet
BBS at Fairbanks, Alaska ?                  rec.radio.info
Passes, news at 11                        Satellite Call Signs?
                          True FM @ 438Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 13:10:19 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]: 1200
bps modem standards: deviation?To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Terry A.
Conboy) writes:>Although almost everyone agrees on using about 3
kHz deviation on FM>packet at 1200 bps, there seems to be some
disagreement about the use of>pre/de-emphasis.  There must be
someone who has gone through the>exercise of measuring error
rates and/or noise floor and perhaps even>multipath tolerance
for the four obvious permutations:>1. no emphasis>2.
complementary pre/de-emphasis (6 dB/octave)>3. transmitter
pre-emphasized, receiver flat>4. transmitter flat, receiver
de-emphasized>>How about it guys?I've done a lot of experiments
with this. There are really too manyvariables involved.
Different brands and models of radios have
differentpre-emphasis, different TNC modems have varying
sensitivities to twist,the audio stages in the radios have
different responses, and the IF/detectorshave different
responses.(1) is best if you can get everybody on your network
to do the surgery ontheir radios. This gives the most consistent
results since the audiostages of the radios are bypassed and you
don't have to worry aboutwhat the manufacturer thought was a
good value for the pre-emphasis.The only variable becomes the
IF/detector linearity, and that's usuallyquite good over a 3 kHz
swing. Note that your TNCs will have to beable to work with
unsquelched radios since picking the signal off thediscriminator
bypasses the squelch. This is a plus anyway since severalbrands
of radio have very slow squelch and that impacts TxD settingsfor
everyone on the network.(2) is practical reality because people
don't want to add wires andconnectors to their store bought
radios. You know, the people whokeep the boxes and wrappings so
the resale value won't be harmed, thesame people who are afraid
to drill holes in their cars. Performancewill vary all over the
clock, but that's the way it is.(3) (4) these are just plain bad
ideas that will guarrantee twist.Gary-- Gary Coffman KE4ZV
   |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!garyDestructive
Testing Systems |    we break it.     |
uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary534 Shannon Way             |
Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      Lawrenceville, GA
30244     |                     |
emory!ke4zv![e-mail]------------------------------Date:
25 Dec 92 19:29:42 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!uwm.edu!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!news.u
oregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.ed
u![e-mail]: IP Address Assignment in Boston
AreaTo: [e-mail] article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Alan R. Bugos) writes:> Does anyone know
who assigns IP addresses for packet in the Boston area?  >
Please reply to: [e-mail]  and thank you.> > > > Alan R.
Bugos, N1NQI> GTE Laboratories, Inc.> Photonics Techniques
Department> 40 Sylvan Road> Waltham, MA 02254> > INTERNET:
[e-mail]> > > -- Alan, if you haven't already got it, this
is what I have as of 12/15/92:44.056  Don Hughes
KA1MF   Eastern&Central Mass--73, JohnJohn
[e-mail]        BITNET:
IFJRS@[e-mail]        kl7jl.ampr.org
[44.22.0.1]"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was the
Question?"--------------------------------Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992
19:24:05 GMTFrom:
news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu!ifjrs@bea
ver.cs.washington.eduSubject: Is there a packet BBS at
Fairbanks, Alaska ?To: [e-mail] article
<18DEC92.16511616@skyfox>, phillipsa@skyfox writes:> Is there a
packet BBS at Fairbanks do you know... and what is the
address???> ???  IS there a general packet BBS directory
available for north america ?> please reply to
[e-mail]> > manythanks... 73's> > andre phillips
  ZL3AW  (from downunder - temporarily topside...)-- Yes, there
is a packet BBS at Fairbanks--KL7GNG.#NAK.AK.USA.NA73 & MERRY
CHRISTMAS, John--John [e-mail]        BITNET:
IFJRS@[e-mail]        kl7jl.ampr.org
[44.22.0.1]"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was the
Question?"--------------------------------Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92
04:44:44 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!alberta!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!
ersys!ve6mgs![e-mail]: rec.radio.info
Passes, news at 11To: [e-mail] passes
215 Yes, 51 Nay. The official creation date will be setby the
news.announce.newgroups moderator, my guess sometime into the
new year.Any individuals that feel they provide informational
postings on a regularbasis in the rec.radio.* heirarchy should
contact me to get deputized asco-moderators. You *will* find the
additional load to be *nil*! Please sendthese requests
to:    [e-mail] Christmas, Happy
New Year, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark
-sk-------------------------------Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 23:44:22
GMTFrom: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx![e-mail]:
Satellite Call Signs?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(andy cornwall) writes:>>     I am configuring PB.EXE for
connecting to pacsat/microsat satellites,>and have run into a
snag. The program wants the variable bdcstcall given>the call
sign of a satellite. The info. I have available refers to>the
acronyms UO-22, KO-23, UO-14, LO-19, FO-20, AO-16, which do
not>seem to be call signs.>      If you know what the call signs
of these satellites are, will you>please tell me about
them.>73's>--- Andy  VE1CORThe call signs of the bbs of the ham
sats are:              bbscall                    bdcstcall (for
PG)UO-22         uosat5-11
uosat5-12kitsat-23     hl01-11                       none yet
(bbs not open yet)AO-16         pacsat-11
pacsat-12LO-19         lusat-11
lusat-12UO-14  is no longer a ham sat it was replaced by
UO-22FO-20  does not use PB, use a standard packet programFor
information on the amsat mailing list contact
[e-mail] Anderson   N0NZO  on ao-16  or
[e-mail]     ------------------------------Date:
25 Dec 92 19:41:44 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!uwm.edu!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.
washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu![e-mail]
SD.EDUSubject: True FM @ 438To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Dodell) writes:>
I need a radio that can easily be modified for 438 mhz and true
FM to> run a 9600 baud packet link.> > Any suggestions besides
commercial gear?> > David wb7tpy> >
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-------->       Internet: [e-mail]                  FAX:
[phone]>       Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD
  FidoNet=> 1:114/15>                 Amateur Packet ax25:
[e-mail]-- David, AG9V reports excellent results
with the Kantronics D4-10, with orwithout the DateEngine.73,
John--John [e-mail]        BITNET:
IFJRS@[e-mail]        kl7jl.ampr.org
[44.22.0.1]"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was the
Question?"--------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #348******************************Date: Sun, 27 Dec
92 04:30:03 PSTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #349To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
27 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  349Today's Topics:
      rec.radio.info Passes, news at 11
Usenet via Satellite in UK?Send Replies or notes for publication
to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:39:12 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!news.unomaha.edu!
cwis![e-mail]: rec.radio.info Passes,
news at 11To: [e-mail]@ve6mgs.ampr.org (Mark G.
Salyzyn) writes:>rec.radio.info passes 215 Yes, 51 Nay. The
official creation date will be set>by the
news.announce.newgroups moderator, my guess sometime into the
new year.And a full official announcement, complete with vote
breakdown, will bemade available when the n.a.n moderator comes
back from vacation.  Markand I wanted to at least let the net
know, so they won't be left inthe dark for almost 2 weeks
between the end of the vote and thenewsgroup creation, while
Dave Lawrence takes a well-deserved holidayvacation.73, Paul W.
Schleck,
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:58:54 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!spool.mu.edu!agate!netsys![e-mail]
ct: Usenet via Satellite in UK?To:
[e-mail]@camborne-school-of-mines.ac.UK
(Stephen Henson, CSM) writes:>    I was interested in the
information recently posted mentioning a>9600bps satellite
service broadcasting usenet news. I've been looking
for>something like this for a while. I take it there would be
some (possibly>insurmountable) problems in receiving the
services mentioned in the UK.>Does a similar service exist
covering the UK ?>    Please send any info to the address below as
I'm very likely to miss>anything posted.
Thanks,>            Steve.>Email: [e-mail]>Packet:
[e-mail] service in the US is provided on GE
Americom's KU band K-2 satellite.As this satellite only provides
coverage of the US, Partial Canada and Mexicothe service is
unavailable in Europe.It would be possiable to put up a feed
into Europe however regulatory andfinancial issues would have to
be resolved.Pagesat Inc is providing airtime and hardware for
this project in the US.We will send you aliterature and info
packet via regular mail.For others interested in this service or
expanding it into Ham radio packetplease send mail to
[e-mail] requesting literature package.Pagesat is
planning to exihibit this hardware at the Usenix conferance
inSan Diego this January.    Regards Norman Gillaspie
    ================================================================
=============    Norman Gillaspie         norman.pagesat.com    (v)
415-424-0380 (fax) 415-424-0405       PageSat Inc.    For
information regarding Pagesat's Satellite delivered usenet news
     mail to "[e-mail]" or call: 415-424-0380 (ask for
marketing)        .. Delivering 45+ megabytes of Usenet news each
day, at 9600 bps ..
=================================================================
=============------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
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Digest V92 #350To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
28 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  350Today's Topics:
            [Q] GRAPES info sought
High Speed links                    Kantronics DR-10 --
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-----------Date: 27 Dec 92 17:00:36 GMTFrom:
pipex!bnr.co.uk!uknet!mcsun!sunic!corax.udac.uu.se!news.uu.se!mol
@uunet.uu.netSubject: [Q] GRAPES info soughtTo:
[e-mail]!I'm a student at Uppsala University
trying to set up a local networkbetween our computer facilities
& student apartments. I've seen some goodreviews about the
GRAPES 56Kbps modem here in r.r.a.p, but I'd like toget in touch
with the designers or sombody who know the answer to
thefollowing questions:* What freqency range does GRAPES support
(28 - 30 MHz?)* How much bandwidth does it require?* Do the
designers recommend any particular transverter to the  145MHz or
432MHz bands?* How much does the GRAPES cost (as a kit or fully
assembled?).  I'd like to order at least 2 and am curious about
the shipping cost  (airmail to Sweden, Europe), and delivery
time.* Any comments on the Gracillis board?
Price/Performance?Replies by e-mail are most welcome, but not a
necessity since I read thison a weekly basis.Thank you for your
time reading this, and have a Happy New Year!SM4RDG aka
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Mon, 28
Dec 1992 06:51:48 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!servo.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
ect: High Speed linksTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:>Note we suspect the limitation is in the KA9Q
async handler and not>in the TNC. Other software may work fine
at this data rate. Laplink>and it's ilk run up to 115 kb over
the standard async port, but in>half duplex mode of course.The
SLIP router on my home Ethernet is a lowly 10 Mhz 286
withNS16550A's running NOS, and it has no problem at all
handling a Codex3260 FAST dialup modem with a DTE speed of 115.2
kb/s. This is thesame speed as Laplink, and the fastest speed an
unmodified PC serialport can support. And that's full duplex. Of
course, actual throughputis lower since the modem's line speed
is only 24.0 kb/s, but V.42biscompression can improve throughput
substantially. I typically get 7.5kiloBYTES/sec on FTPs of
compressible ASCII text, but only 2.7kilobytes/sec on compressed
or encrypted files. Nevertheless, NOS isstill receiving and
sending at burst speeds of 115.2 kb/s.I need to stress that the
16550s are absolutely crucial here. Iprogram them to trigger an
interrupt when the receive FIFO hits 4characters, but by the
time my creaky 286 has finished responding tothe interrupt, it
has typically read 13 characters -- with 3 to spare.A slightly
faster DTE or a slower CPU and the 550's FIFO wouldoverflow, but
this combination does quite nicely. Of course, it doeshelp that
I don't generally use the machine as anything other than
adedicated IP router. In particular I don't usually use it as
aterminal or FTP server, so I avoid other sources of interrupt
latencythat could cause it to drop modem characters.So it *is*
possible to use an asynch port on NOS to run at highspeeds. But
having said all that, I still agree that a special HDLCcard is
the preferable way to drive a high speed radio modem. I justwish
there were better chips than
8530s...Phil------------------------------Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992
20:09:57 GMTFrom:
usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!kilroy![e-mail]:
Kantronics DR-10 -- thoughts?To: [e-mail] put it
simply - is anyone using the Kantronics DR-10 Data Radio?  Ifso,
what are your thoughts about it?  Also, what do you think of the
front end?  Can the receiver stand some elevation?Thanks!Gerald
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Subsystems Section | Phone   : [phone]M/S 238-528
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29 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  351Today's Topics:
      Dumb question about C-64 and PK-88
   Jnos sources?              KA9Q Documentation and setup -
Please Help  New family of Federal Standards for HF radio
digital communication                      on-line repeater
directory                  Wanted: TNC Software for Amiga
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-----------Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:59:04 GMTFrom:
swrinde!emory!gatech!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!tsoft!haymore@networ
k.UCSD.EDUSubject: Dumb question about C-64 and PK-88To:
[e-mail]'s an easy question for someone -- does
the AEA Com Packratt for the Commodore 64 run the AEA PK-88?  I
imagine it would have trouble with the RTTY stuff :) , but can
it do the packet stuff okay?Email's fine...  it may bounce,
though.Thanks -- Ed, [e-mail]--Ed Haymore
([e-mail])------------------------------Date: 24
Dec 92 22:21:41 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Jnos
sources?To: [e-mail] have heard that one can use
JNOS in a way of reqular phone bbs system, isthis true? And if
it is, where can I find source code of Jnos? At currentI have no
Internet access capabilities.              73 de Harri
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gateway!------------------------------Date: 28 Dec 92 21:13:50
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: KA9Q Documentation
and setup - Please HelpTo: [e-mail] again.My
tcp/ip saga continues.  I am waiting for modem info to arrive in
 the mail.  Meanwhile, I have gotten the dos KA9Q via anonymous
ftp.  This is truly a cool chunk of code.  I am planning on
having lots of  fun writing new modules for it.THe problem is, I
con't find any documentation for it.  The only docs  I can find
are dated 3 or more years ago.  Without this info, I am  unable
to set up the software.  Can anyone give me a clue on
this?Second, I need to find out what my interface limitations
are.  I have  an NE1000 ethernet card in the machine, as well as
two (8250) serial  ports.  There IS a driver linked into the NOS
called 'Eagle', and the  ne1000 IS an eagle card - one of
several very different types  though...   What is involved in
getting/linking new drivers, and do I  even NEED any new
driver?I want to set up one port to be a SLIP or PPP dial in
port, and one  to be a SLIP dial out port.  Eventually I want to
add more SLIP dial  in ports, and a port for my TNC.What are the
limitations on the number of serial ports KA9Q NOS can
support??  Does it support shared interrupts, or if not, does it
 support non-standard interrupts (ie com4 on irq 5)??  I would
like to eventually support 2 packet modems, one dial out SLIP
modem, and 4-6 dial in SLIP modems.*Meanwhile* I would be more
than happy if I could figure out how to  get the ethernet card
working, so that I can telnet into my unix box  and experiment
with the software.If someone could point me toward the docs, or
even send me copies of  their configuration files, I would be
greatly appreciative!  I could  also use some tips re: ethernet
drivers.Thanks!Ben Mehlman KB2ERP---- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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-------------------------------Date: 28 Dec 92 13:45:12 GMTFrom:
yale.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!rz.unibw-muenchen.de![e-mail]
ubject: New family of Federal Standards for HF radio digital
communicationTo: [e-mail] !I want to come in
contact with (X)YLs & OMs having some experience andinterest in
relation with the new Federal Standards for HF radio,
especiallyin stressed environment (e.g. FS-1045 to 1049). Do you
known these standards ?Do you have tried to use some ones in
experimental communication ?Are you interested to use them ?Any
information is welcome.Many thanks in advanceClaude,
DJ0OT------------------------------Date: 28 Dec 92 17:25:07
GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!hri.co
m!noc.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!necis![e-mail]
ubject: on-line repeater directoryTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Bourque_David) wrote:> Since I haven't read every line of my
email lately maybe this point> was already covered.  Sorry if
this is wasting bandwidth.> > I have already collected the data
for all of New England.  Most of the> information is from the
last two editions of the ARRL directory. > Updates have been
provided from one frequency coordinator and several> personal
sources.  Not all data is checked but the source is> identified
in the listing if not from the ARRL books.  My format is> very
similar to the ARRL directory.  The listings I have gathered>
cover every band from 10meters up and don't include any packet>
listing.  Nearly impossible to collect that listing.  My
listings are> currently in use on two packet BBS stations.  NM1D
and N1KBT.  One is> in Southern NH and the other in Eastern MA.
Updates to the listings [deleted information about Dave's superb
data collection] I thought that others might be interested in
using this data on-line(via packet).  My DOSGATE system
(remember Dave, this is a DOSGATE system,not a "BBS") is
accessable from a fairly wide area (I know that there areregular
users of the system from New York to Maine and sometimes even
Canada).So I am providing access information to the net....
First, to connect to my DOSGATE system:   Connect into your
local packet network node.  Eventually you need to getinto the
'NEDA' network of nodes.  Once into the 'NEDA' (North East Data
Assoc.)nodes, connect to node WNDHM1.   Once connected to
WNDHM1, issue the command to connect to NM1D-2 (note thatthe
'-2' is IMPORTANT!!): C NM1D-2   You should then be connected to
my DOSGATE system and receive a promptsimilar to "DOSGATE-C:>".
At this prompt type REPEATER XXXX, where XXXX isthe frequency,
town or callsign of the repeater that you are looking for.This
is actually a simple 'grep', so you can search for just about
anything.Just remember that the data file only contains New
England data.  This shouldbe handy for anyone travelling through
the area. If you need additional help, type HELP at the DOSGATE
prompt.  There areseveral other services available on this
DOSGATE system, such as:      AutoCall - Online usa callsign
database      SeeSats  - Real time satelite tracking information
      AutoExam - Online VE type amateur exams from Novice to
Extra      CIBBS    - Common interest BBS      MAIL     - Simple
email system (non-autoforwarding)      GAMES    - Several
adventure style games that can be played on line Remember that
this system is usable from anywhere in the packet network.
Youdo NOT need any special type of terminal, computer, or
software to makeuse of this system. If you can't gain access
into my DOSGATE system from your area, why not placea DOSGATE
system on the air to serve your area?  The software is available
atno-charge for amatuer on-the-air uses, contact me for
information.  Many thanks to Dave for supplying the most
up-to-date repeater data thatI have ever come across.   Rich--
/****************************************************************
**********\ * Rich Bono                     IMRICH
UUCP:[e-mail] *  * [phone]
NM1D          AMPR: [e-mail] *
\****************************************************************
**********/------------------------------Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992
16:32:31 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!lina
c!att!mcdchg!chinet![e-mail]: Wanted:
TNC Software for Amiga 500To: [e-mail] just got a
nice, wonderful AEA PK-88 TNC for xmas.  Now I can use anynumber
of standard terminal programs for my Amiga, yes my Amiga 500,
but Iwas wondering if there is any good packet radio specific
software for theAmiga computer?If there is, how might I get a
copy?  Would anyone be willing to send me acopy of such a
program if I sent them a disk and return mailer withpostage?  I
have no modem connected to my amiga, thought I might be able
toborrow one if I try real hard.  Anything available on
Compu-$erve?  Anyclues would be appreciated.Please! I'm brand
new to packet, so easy on me about this!-- "It is a pity that
even a single drop of this noble  gift of God should be spilled"
- J.S. Bach on wineMark E. Sunderlin: Technocrat in Winchester,
Virginia  KD4HRI aka Dr. Megabyte: [e-mail]
[phone]------------------------------Date: Mon, 28 Dec
1992 14:50:27 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To : [e-mail]
(Gary Coffman)Subject : Re: High Speed linksIn article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:>>So it *is* possible to use an asynch port
on NOS to run at high>speeds. But having said all that, I still
agree that a special HDLC>card is the preferable way to drive a
high speed radio modem. I just>wish there were better chips than
8530s...I'd note that our switches have as many as 5 ports to be
serviced. Amix of low and high speeds. Even with 16550s, the
interrupt loading is severe. With the dedicated cards, a 12 MHz
286 will handle the load.They are a major win for anyone
contemplating a network switch.Gary-- Gary Coffman KE4ZV
 |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!garyDestructive
Testing Systems |    we break it.     |
uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary534 Shannon Way             |
Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      Lawrenceville, GA
30244     |                     |
emory!ke4zv![e-mail]------------------------------End of
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Digest V92 #352To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
30 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  352Today's Topics:
  Clegg FM-21 220mhz tranceivers and 9600bps
gateway 2m/internet in DC area?              KA9Q Documentation
and setup - Please Help                   Packet-Internet links
in NW USA?                          packet freqencies
           Problems with 66 MHz 486
Ramsey Modem?                  Wanted: TNC Software for Amiga
500                        Wormhole - What is it?Send Replies or
notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 29 Dec 92 14:30:27From:
stanford.edu!morrow.stanford.edu![e-mail]: Clegg
FM-21 220mhz tranceivers and 9600bpsTo: [e-mail]
have an opportunity to purchase three rock-bound 220mhz
tube-typetranceivers,  and I would like to use them using a
G3RUH modem.Does anyone have any experience with Clegg FM-21
tranceivers, eitherwith standard 202 (1200bps) or RUH (9600bps)
packet modems?Paul--Tiefer, tiefer, irgendwo in der Tiefe giebt
es ein Licht!------------------------------Date: 29 Dec 92
22:24:44 GMTFrom:
haven.umd.edu!ni.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu![e-mail]:
 gateway 2m/internet in DC area?To: [e-mail]
anyone know if there is a gateway from 2 meters to theinternet
in the Washington, DC / Maryland area?  If there is,frequency
info would be appreciated.Thanks,David Stein,
KA3MTI------------------------------Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992
00:09:11 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!servo.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
ect: KA9Q Documentation and setup - Please HelpTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ben Mehlman) writes:>THe problem is, I con't find any
documentation for it.  The only docs  >I can find are dated 3 or
more years ago.  Without this info, I am  >unable to set up the
software.  Can anyone give me a clue on this?The user interface
hasn't changed *that* much in 3 years. You shouldbe able to get
it going from the existing docs, although some of thenewer
features (such as the autodial slip code) aren't
covered.>Second, I need to find out what my interface
limitations are.  I have  >an NE1000 ethernet card in the
machine, as well as two (8250) serial  >ports.  There IS a
driver linked into the NOS called 'Eagle', and the  >ne1000 IS
an eagle card - one of several very different types  >though...
 What is involved in getting/linking new drivers, and do I
>even NEED any new driver?The "eagle" driver referred to in the
code is an obsolete 8530 HDLC cardthat was briefly available on
the surplus market some years ago. It hasnothing to do with the
NE1000.To support the NE1000 (or any ethernet card) you want to
get Russ Nelson'spacket driver collection. You run the
appropriate driver as a TSR, andthen do an "attach packet"
command in NOS.>I want to set up one port to be a SLIP or PPP
dial in port, and one  >to be a SLIP dial out port.  Eventually
I want to add more SLIP dial  >in ports, and a port for my
TNC.You can do this with SLIP. I understand the PPP code is
broken (I haven'tused it myself so I don't know). One of these
days I'll work on it.>What are the limitations on the number of
serial ports KA9Q NOS can  >support??  Does it support shared
interrupts, or if not, does it  >support non-standard interrupts
(ie com4 on irq 5)??  NOS can in theory support as many serial
ports as you can fit on themachine.  It does support shared
interrupts, although you have tospecify this by appending the
suffix 'c' (chain) to the IRQ number inthe attach line. This
tells the driver's interrupt vector to jump tothe vector
previously installed on that IRQ number when the handler isdone.
When you attach a series of devices on the same interruptvector,
the last one attached is the first one called when theinterrupt
occurs.NOS has always supported nonstandard interrupts since you
have to specifyboth the I/O address and the IRQ number
explicitly on the attach line.>I would like to eventually
support 2 packet modems, one dial out SLIP  >modem, and 4-6 dial
in SLIP modems.Be sure to get NS16550A
ports.Phil------------------------------Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992
17:07:21 GMTFrom:
nih-csl.dcrt.nih.gov![e-mail]:
Packet-Internet links in NW USA?To: [e-mail]
in advance.  73 de N7QOS ([e-mail])  Dave Dorward--Dave
Dorward        :  [e-mail]            /\ /\
 P.O. Box 1623       :  [e-mail]              /  /
\/\      Hamilton, MT  59840 :  [phone]               /
/     /    \    ------------------------------Date: 29 Dec 92
12:02:00 GMTFrom:
olivea!charnel!rat!ucselx!crash!filebank!steve.silverwood@uunet.u
u.netSubject: packet freqenciesTo: [e-mail] >
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet > From:
[e-mail] (keeper of the tone) > Subject: packet
freqencies > Message-ID: <[e-mail]> > Date: Mon,
21 Dec 1992 05:03:06 GMT > > does anyone know the western
massachusetts packet frequencies? > > tnx and 3's de AJ0AEMost
likely, try 145.01, .03, .05, .07 and .09 as those are
prettymuch standard across the country....//Steve//KB6OJSGarden
Grove,
CA/----------------------------+---------------------------------
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-----/--- . SM 1.06 A0070 . The smallest deed is better than the
greatest intention        ------------------------------Date: 29
Dec 92 12:02:00 GMTFrom:
usc!howland.reston.ans.net!bogus.sura.net!darwin.sura.net!spool.m
u.edu!olivea!charnel!rat!ucselx!crash!filebank!steve.silverwood@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUSubject: Problems with 66 MHz 486To:
[e-mail] > Newsgroups:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,sci.electronics,rec.radio.amateur.packet
 > From: [e-mail] (Bradley T Banko) > Subject:
Problems with 66 MHz 486 machines? (Dell) > Message-ID:
<[e-mail]> > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:39:01
GMT > > We just got a Dell 486/D66 66 MHz 486 machine, and one
day after > taking it out of the box, it lost its CMOS bios
configuration. > Dell talked me through tightening the battery
connections to the board. > Two days later, while starting
windows the machine hung and lost > its bios configuration
again... > > I am starting to think that maybe the 66 MHz
motherboard technology > hasn't been debugged enough.  My 20 MHz
386 machine at home hangs > every once in a while when I am
running 2 meter amateur packet radio > (with a 144 MHz 2 Watt
transmitter right next to the machinee). > > Any thoughts?  Or
suggestions?  Our research group cannot afford to > get stuck
with a lemon machine with funding the way it is. (or ever!)
>Brad --Most of the 66MHz machines seem to have a toggle where
you can movethem between 33MHz and 66MHz clock speeds. I've had
some reports ofdifficulties in using the higher clock speeds,
whereas the lower worksfine. Have you tried
that?//Steve//KB6OJSGarden Grove,
CA/----------------------------+---------------------------------
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-----/--- . SM 1.06 A0070 . Wear a smile: it increases your face
value.
------------------------------Date: 29 Dec 92 23:22:28 GMTFrom:
naucse![e-mail]: Ramsey Modem?To:
[e-mail] just got a new Ramsey kit catalog, and
note they havea packet modem kit for about $60 ($72 with case)
for theIBM PC/clones.  I wonder if anyone here has buitl that?I
can't tell from the picture what's in it, but there appear to be
2 ics, a crystal, something on a large heatsink, plus misc
components.  What's the speed (1200, I presume?).  In addition,
they have a Microwave Motion Detector for about$20 ($33 with
case).  Anyone built that?  Would that besuitable for use as
described in the "Trolling for Tailights"thread on
sci.electronics?THANKS- Bob Wier  ---------- insert favorite
standard disclaimers here ----------                   College
of Engineering      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff
Arizona  Internet: [e-mail] | WB5KXH | fax:602 523
2300------------------------------Date: 29 Dec 92 07:05:01
GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!charnel!rat!ucselx!crash!orbit!
pnet51![e-mail]: Wanted: TNC Software for
Amiga 500To: [e-mail]@chinet.chi.il.us (Dr.
Megabyte) writes:>I just got a nice, wonderful AEA PK-88 TNC for
xmas.  Now I can use any>number of standard terminal programs
for my Amiga, yes my Amiga 500, but I>was wondering if there is
any good packet radio specific software for the>Amiga
computer?>>If there is, how might I get a copy?  Would anyone be
willing to send me a>copy of such a program if I sent them a
disk and return mailer with>postage?  I have no modem connected
to my amiga, thought I might be able to>borrow one if I try real
hard.  Anything available on Compu-$erve?  Any>clues would be
appreciated.>>Please! I'm brand new to packet, so easy on me
about this!Pick up the latest (maybe it was last month?) issue
of BoardWatch Magazine. It has a good rundown of Packet Switched
Radio, and also lists several peopleyou can contact to get
software for various computers.  Yes, The Amiga waslisted, as
well as the ST, and several
others.------------------------------Date: 29 Dec 92 06:58:21
GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!shrike![e-mail]
ct: Wormhole - What is it?To: [e-mail] would
appreciate some docs on the wormholes or whateverthey are
called. What are they and how do you use them. Pleasereply via
E-Mail or Packet.Dick [e-mail]5vu @
n5ljf.#[e-mail] [44.76.1.40]On:
12/29/92 12:59:29 AM CST------------------------------Date: Wed,
30 Dec 1992 10:02:34 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!servo.qualcomm.com![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: High Speed
linksIn article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:>I'd note that our
switches have as many as 5 ports to be serviced. A>mix of low
and high speeds.It shouldn't be hard in this day and age to find
a motherboard that's5 times as fast as my lowly 10 Mhz 286.
:-)Seriously, I do agree that the dedicated HDLC card is the way
to go.In fact, what I would really like to see is an HDLC chip
that's assmart as a modern Ethernet controller, with the ability
to runautonomously for as many packets as you have memory to
give it forbuffering.This is NOT to say that the board should do
any higher level protocolprocessing, only that it should make
the interrupt latencyrequirements on the host processor as loose
as possible. One of thebiggest drawbacks of the "internal
thread" model of multitasking thatI use in NOS is that the whole
package comes to a standstill whenevera task makes a slow BIOS
call (like floppy I/O). It's nice to havehardware interfaces
that can ride through these "seizures" withoutdropping
packets.Of course, one alternative is to make an entire machine
the controllerand never use it for anything but driving the
interfaces and routingIP datagrams. That's what I do at home,
and it works very well.Phil------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #352******************************Date:
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Digest V92 #353To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
31 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue  353Today's Topics:
         '91-'92 ARRL Repeater Guide
DOSGATE: the simple overview                G3RUH 9600 bps modem
help wanted !!!!                      LAN-LINK 2.00 connect msg?
                             Novice!!!
 Ramsey Modem?                           TCP and Ethernet
                 TheNet 1.1 (2 msgs)           Wanted: Schematic
diag. for 8530 board (2 msgs)Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 30 Dec 92 23:23:16 GMTFrom:
olivea!sgigate!odin!jerber.sandiego.sgi.com![e-mail]
bject: '91-'92 ARRL Repeater GuideTo: [e-mail]
'90-'91 ARRL Repeater Guide (a pocket-sized book) skipped the So
Calif.listing of 2 Meter packet frequencies for some reason
(intentional? Northern Calif. and all other states were
listed).Anyone know if the '92-'93 version has the missing So
California packetfrequency information?73,JerryKC6TAY--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Jerry
Bransford            Silicon Graphics(619)
546-0409~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~---
---------------------------Date: 30 Dec 92 17:41:07 GMTFrom:
noc.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!necis![e-mail]
: DOSGATE: the simple overviewTo: [e-mail], It
seems that I havn't sent this information out for some time
now.I was reminded about this by getting a slurry of information
requestsabout DOSGATE after mentioning it in a previous post.
So I am postingthis information for others to see.  I hope this
answers many of thequestions that I have been receiving...  If
you are not interested inthis, you are free to ignore
it.----------Here is a quick summary of DOSGATE. I wrote DOSGATE
several years ago.  The first prototype was actually
writtenabout the same time that Hank, W0RLI wrote his now famous
packet BBS software.DOSGATE has gone through several revisions
and refinements since that firstversion.  The current version
(as of 12/30/92) is 1.17. DOSGATE requires any PC compatible
computer.  This can be a simple 8088, 4MHzIBM-PC (remember
these?), or a 66MHz 486 system.  DOSGATE can use eitherthe COM1
or the COM2 serial port.  The interface cable between the TNC
andthe computer must be a full modem handshake cable.  This
means that pins2 through 8 and pin 20 of the 25 pin DB-25 must
be wired (you can NOT usea simple three wire RS-232 cable).  I
believe that this version of DOSGATEis fairly TNC independant.
This means that is should work with just aboutany TNC.  I use
Kantronix TNCs, so I have the most experience with these andknow
that they work fine with DOSGATE. The packet user of DOSGATE
does NOT require any special hardware or software!If the user is
on packet, then they can use DOSGATE.  This means that evenusers
who have a dumb terminal, Macintosh or any other hardware can
make useof the DOSGATE system and its programs.  Sometimes
people have a hard timeunderstanding that they don't need to be
using an MS-DOS computer or somespecial software to remotely use
the DOSGATE system.  Anyone who can connectto an AX.25 packet
TNC can remotely use the DOSGATE system and its software. The
DOSGATE driver itself is not very large.  It is only about 20K
or soin size, so it doesn't consume a lot of memory or disk
space. In fact, you donot even need a hard disk to provide a
DOSGATE system.  There have been severalfloppy diskette based
DOSGATE systems on the air. To allow you to get a useful system
up and running quickly, I include adiskfull of utilities and
programs on the DOSGATE distribution diskette. I completly fill
a 1.2 MB diskette!  Here is a list of some of the utilitiesthat
I include:    MAIL - several programs that implement a *simple*
email system.  This           is NOT a full functioning
auto-forwarding email system!  It will           accept incoming
email from an auto-forwarding bbs (such as W0RLI
PBBS's) but will NOT forward outgoing email.    AUTOCALL - This
utility allows the use of the Buckmaster HAMCALL CD-ROM
   to provide on-line searches of the USA database. At this time
            only callsign searches are allowed.    SEESATS -
Real time OSCAR satelite tracking.  This is a text based
     tracking program that allows users to determine when
satelites              and other objects (such as the Space
Shuttle) are in view.    AutoExam - This program generated a
different exam, from Novice to Extra,               each time it
is run.  This allows one to practice for VE               exam
session.    Advent   - The clasical computer game of Adventure.
You must be carefull               or you will find yourself
lost for hours in twisty little               mazes that look
all alike! I also include hints about how to install your system
to provide a bit ofsecurity.  Although some security can be
installed, it is a very simplesystem that is easily bypassed.
For this reason, I strongly recommend thatyour on-the-air
DOSGATE system be a separate computer that is DEDICATED tothis
purpose!  You do not want to have any 'private' files or data on
yourDOSGATE system.  You should also maintain backup copies of
any importantfiles! DOSGATE is implemented as a standard MS-DOS
device driver.  This devicedriver is loaded via the CONFIG.SYS
'DEVICE=' command.  When loaded, DOSGATEhandles all screen and
keyboard I/O.  It basically echos all output that issent to the
screen to the COM port.  Also, any data that is recieved by
theCOM port is entered into the systems' keyboard buffer.  This
means that thelocal DOSGATE 'sysop' can see all that a remote
user is doing.  It also allowsthe sysop to help the remote user.
  If the sysop types on the DOSGATE keyboardwhile a user is
connected, then the user will see what the sysop types.
Limitations:  Any standard MS-DOS program is compatible with
DOSGATE as longas it is only TEXT based (no graphics, and no
color).  If the program onlyuses MS-DOS for its output, then
there is no problem with this.  If theprogram uses BIOS calls,
or directly accesses the PC hardware for I/O, thenit will not
function under DOSGATE.  Unfortunately, many programs do notuse
MS-DOS for output, so you must perform some simple tests to be
sure anyprogram will work correctly before allowing general
users to access it.Also, any program being used under DOSGATE
must return immediatly to theMS-DOS prompt when a CONTROL-C is
pressed.  Any program being used must notmake use of the same
COM port as is being used by the DOSGATE driver.  These are
fairly simple restrictions, but are important.  It is veryeasy
to write applications for DOSGATE using 'C'.  Some people even
usecompiled BASIC to generate DOSGATE applications.  The only
other limitationto what you can do with DOSGATE is your
imagination!  If you know how towrite programs for the PC, then
you can make your DOSGATE system do whateveryou want.   Note: I
do not include a comprehensive, step-by-step instruction
manualwith the DOSGATE system.  There are many example files and
other hintsand kinks to help you get started.  It is expected
that you are alreadyvery familliar with both MS-DOS and your
TNC.  If you do not think that youhave enough experience with
MS-DOS or your TNC, then please find youself alocal MS-DOS
'guru' and someone who understands packet radio and
theparticular brand of TNC that you own. To get your own copy of
DOSGATE simply send me the following:   1 FORMATTED, 1.2 MB or
1.44 MB diskette   1 Self Addressed, return diskette mailer that
contains enough postage     to ensure that I can return your
diskette to you.   1 short note requesting a copy of DOSGATE
Send your disk to:  Rich Bono  7 Redfield Circle  Derry, New
Hampshire 03038  There is no required fee for Amateur radio
on-the-air uses of DOSGATE,but any donations are always gladly
accepted.--
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**********/------------------------------Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992
10:00:31 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!h
pcc05!hpbbn!hpuircz![e-mail]: G3RUH 9600 bps
modem help wanted !!!!To: [e-mail]'m interessed
about the connections of these equipments to varoius RTX( Icom
3210 , Standard 5600 , Kenwood 941 or 741 ).I've only the
printed circuit : electronic schematics and component list
arewelcome too .73 de IW2EYN Saverio Milan,
Italy----------------------------------+-------------------------
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--------------------------------------------Date: Thu, 31 Dec
1992 02:27:47 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!europa.asd.contel.com!rocky!news-is-not-mail@netwo
rk.UCSD.EDUSubject: LAN-LINK 2.00 connect msg?To:
[e-mail] does one prevent LAN-LINK 2.00 from
sending the following stringon standard connects besides fixing
it each time undeparameter settiunngs?[ZCZ] *** LAN-LINK
2.00R>Also, how does one prevent BText from being reset each
time youdisconnect or restart LAN-LINK?The TNC is a
KAM......--Dave Pascoe KM3TInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
30 Dec 92 23:27:55 GMTFrom:
jvnc.net!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!stanford.edu!enterpoop.mit.e
du!eru.mt.luth.se!kth.se!sunic!ugle.unit.no!news.uit.no!hsn30_34.
hsn.no![e-mail]: Novice!!!To:
[e-mail] ALL!Can anyone explain to me what
exactly is a packet radio???Is it expensive???I've also heard
(and thats the reason for my questitions) that its possible to
use a packet-radio to access Internet...so.....:):):):):)Thanks
in advance!!![e-mail]------------------------------Date:
Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:08:15 GMTFrom:
mvb.saic.com!ast.saic.com![e-mail]:
Ramsey Modem?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> rrw@.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:>I
just got a new Ramsey kit catalog, and note they have>a packet
modem kit for about $60 ($72 with case) for the>IBM PC/clones.
I wonder if anyone here has buitl that?>I can't tell from the
picture what's in it, but there >appear to be 2 ics, a crystal,
something on a large >heatsink, plus misc components.  A local
store has this kit in stock.  It looks like it is a Baycommodem.
 If this is the case, it would use the TCM3105 chip.  It comes
with the Baycom software.  The package says it is for VHF
radios.>>What's the speed (1200, I presume?).  I would like to
know this two.  I am also wondering if I can use thismodem with
10 meter SSB.  (I doubt it)>>In addition, they have a Microwave
Motion Detector for about>$20 ($33 with case).  Anyone built
that?  Would that be>suitable for use as described in the
"Trolling for Tailights">thread on sci.electronics?>>THANKS>>-
Bob Wier>>  ---------- insert favorite standard disclaimers here
---------->                   College of Engineering>
Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona>  Internet:
[e-mail] | WB5KXH | fax:[phone]-- Ken
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:50:29 GMTFrom:
mvb.saic.com!ast.saic.com![e-mail]: TCP
and EthernetTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Don
H. McGee) writes:>Greetings, >I have a Class B network, at the
office, with an Ethernet backbone. My office>computer is on this
Ethernet, running SCO Sys V, 3.2. >>I have another machine
(MSDOS) that is running KA9Q NOS. One port is to a>TNC (KISS)
amd radio, the other port is available )for a SLIP line. etc.).
>>My questions: (1) What would be best: a SLIP line between the
two machines, >or an Ethernet adaptor (3-Com) on the NOS
machine?>I vote for Ethernet.  SLIP lines are more troublesome.
Unix boxes havea habit of crashing when using SLIP.  We found
this to be the case withSun workstations.  Your milage may vary.
 It may depend on preciselywhat MUX board you use.>(2) Should
tof the two ends o

f the SLIP line be a part of the >Class B office net or should
they be in the 44.nn.nn.nn ampr.org net?>TCP/IP requires
seperate NETWORKS for the SLIP and Ethernet.  This maybe
accomplished by subnetting.  Subnetting amounts to carving up
yourClass Bnto multiple networks. >(3) Does KA9Q NOS allow
different IP addresses for the SLIP port and the>AX25 port on
the NOS machine?>>Any help or comments would be appreciated,
especially from those of you>that have put a ham TCP/IP machine
on a local Ethernet. I have successfully put an IBM PC clone on
the Internet using KA9Q.  We were using subnetting already on
our net (139.121.x.y).  I have nothad the opportunity to try
SLIP or AX.25 with KA9Q yet.>>Thanks, >Don McGee
[e-mail]   [e-mail]-- Ken
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:13:58 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!nscf!wa4phy![e-mail]: TheNet
1.1To: [e-mail] lost my working and backup copy of
TheNet 1.1 to a disk crash some timeback, and discovered my
backups were bad also.  Can someone tell me whereI might anon
ftp it, or even mail it to me?  Archie lists a "thenet" butupon
inspection, all I saw was text files :-(  I have X1G, but this
particular project needs 1.1.  Also lost the "setnet"
utility..thanks..sam--     S.W. Drinkard            | Internet:
[e-mail]    4428 Branchwood Drive        | Internet:
[e-mail]    Martinez, GA  30907        | Amprnet :
[e-mail]    [phone]
------------------------------Date: 30 Dec 1992 20:14:36
GMTFrom:
news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!rostb-mac.ads.orst.
edu![e-mail]: TheNet 1.1To:
[e-mail] article <1992Dec30.131358.16798@wa4phy>
Sam Drinkard, sam@wa4phywrites:>back, and discovered my backups
were bad also.  Can someone tell me where>I might anon ftp it,
or even mail it to me?  Archie lists a "thenet" but>upon
inspection, all I saw was text files :-(  I have X1G, but this
>particular project needs 1.1.  Also lost the "setnet"
utility..>>thanks..>>samSam,You can find it on Sumex in the
Infomac/comm directory.------------------------------Date: 30
Dec 92 13:14:18 GMTFrom:
pipex!bnr.co.uk!uknet!mcsun!sunic!ericom!gandalf![e-mail]
tSubject: Wanted: Schematic diag. for 8530 boardTo:
[e-mail] do I find a schematic diagram for a
PC-interface card,based on the 8530 chip ?It should also be
possible to use it with the ka9q software.I'm planning to use my
old -286 for packet radio only and hookit up to my ethernet at
home.thanx in
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18:39:02 GMTFrom:
das.wang.com!wang!tegra![e-mail]: Wanted:
Schematic diag. for 8530 boardTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Mats Wesslen TG/RD,14025D,92440)
writes:   Where do I find a schematic diagram for a PC-interface
card,   based on the 8530 chip ?   It should also be possible to
use it with the ka9q software.   I'm planning to use my old -286
for packet radio only and hook   it up to my ethernet at home.I
have a design for just such a card that I can share in
postscript orOrcad formats.  It was based on using a JDR
protoboard and I have newPALs for it, JEDEC or PALASM files
available too.jv _____|     | Johnathan Vail     [e-mail]
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