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Digest V92 #86To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
1 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  86Today's Topics:
     Anyone using PE1CHL's SCC on ST?
 AX.25 Specs               BBS name standards / Packet-BBS
gateways                    compression on packet....info
                     Data Engine
Dcdsm                                Dr4-10
Packet for QNX? AX25 Format?                   Relay to VS6CT
"Bill" desired -                             s&f qsp mail
                 S.F info + responce                      Telcom
info-group access +               The resurgence of a myth:
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-----------Date: 31 Mar 92 15:32:23 MDTFrom:
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USubject: Anyone using PE1CHL's SCC on ST?To:
[e-mail] would like to get in touch with anyone on
the ne who has built and/orinstalled and/or used PE1CHL's SCC
for the 1040 ST.  Please reply via mail.73, -SEP
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06:37:41 GMTFrom:
ogicse!willamette.edu![e-mail]: AX.25 SpecsTo:
[e-mail] have a copy of the AX.25 specs they
could send me?Also, anyone know of source for a node walker I
could get a hold of?T.A.Baker------------------------------Date:
1 Apr 92 05:17:24 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!pitt!w2xo![e-mail]: BBS
name standards / Packet-BBS gatewaysTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Gary Sanders) writes:> In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jim Durham) writes:>> >information, ie;
an "ALL@AMSAT" bulletin from W1ABC with a BID of> >$orbs22_088
would be addressed:> >>
>all%amsat.#w1abc.$[e-mail]> >> >Traffic
would be like:> >>
>nts%ntsma.#w1abc.$[e-mail]> >> >     I didnt
think the # was a valid rfc822 character. I know my> local
machine as well as our suns barf on it..Gary , you could be
right. However, my machine and sendmail 5.65 arenot bothered by
it. I have no particular love for "#" if you havean alternative
to suggest.My concern, and perhaps I am being too concerned, is
that a lot of folksdon't have the wherewithall to generate
X-headers. I agree thatX-headers is the proper way to do the
job, but if you are a user ona system over which you have no
control or influence, you may not beable to do this. Perhaps
this is a very minor percentage of users. Idon't know..Another
problem is that I want to be able to handle mailing listslike
the one from JPL directly. These folks are kind enough to
supplythe feed, but won't bother with X-headers to accomodate
ham radioproblems. With the "per-cent address" scheme, I am able
to givethem an address they can handle without trying to
generate specialheaders for me.-Jim Durham
([e-mail])
(packet:W2XO@W2XO.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM)------------------------------
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992 02:04:05 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!vpnet!gagme!grahj@network
.UCSD.EDUSubject: compression on packet....infoTo:
[e-mail] while back, there was a question
regarding the use of compression onpacket radio --- I just got a
response on that with a request to pass italong to the net from
WA7UGB, so here it is.....the PA0GRI version 2.0F TCP/IP package
uses LZW compression if both ends ofthe connect want it.short
and simple....this is a first for me.  :-)  thanks to WA7UGB for
thisinfo.   --jimStandard disclaimer....Ever since my cat
learned to type, there's no tellingwhose thoughts these really
are....         73 DE N5IAL
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ate: 1 Apr 92 01:14:40 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!hubcap![e-mail]: Data
EngineTo: [e-mail]@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John
Ackermann) writes:>I just got back from spending the afternoon
at K1LT's, where we have>three complete node stacks built of
DataEngines running G8BPQ and>driving D4-10 radios running,
going through final tweaking before>becoming the new Dayton -
Columbus - Cincinnati backbone.  Impressions>so far:...>2)  The
DataEngine is <not> good for high speed KISS operation.  We
(and>I'm told others) have tried running NOS with them and
there's something>just plain wrong with the code -- lots of
frames get trashed, and lots>of retries.  We think its a
firmware and not hardware problem, as we>don't see this with
normal AX.25 or G8BPQ operation.I called Kantronics and asked
about that. Their reply was there was nohardware or software
flow control in the firmware which is why frames aregetting
trashed. >John  AG9V>-- >John R. Ackermann, Jr.        Law
Department, NCR Corporation, Dayton, Ohio>[phone]
[e-mail]>Packet Radio: ag9v@n8acv
tcp/ip: [e-mail] [44.70.12.34]-- Mark
[e-mail] University  Clemson,
SC------------------------------Date: 31 Mar 92 10:47:52
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!tdkt!FredGate@ne
twork.UCSD.EDUSubject: DcdsmTo: [e-mail] J
William Snyder Jr.... I tried the modification you recommended,
and yesthey ask for pin 28 when it is actually 26, but still
doesn'twork...The data comes flying through, but the DCD still
staysactive all the time...It will NOT let the TNC
Transmit....SIGH oh well...20 dollar experiment I guess...I
mighttry a Universal PacComm unit....TNX,Chris * Origin:
HAM>link< RBBS 612/HAM-0000 Saint Paul, MN
(K0TG)(1:282/100.0)------------------------------Date: 31 Mar 92
10:50:08 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!tdkt!FredGate@ne
twork.UCSD.EDUSubject: Dr4-10To: [e-mail] was
reading an article from the Packet Register and I sawsomething
that said"The Kantronics D-410 radio has a data slicer and has
been tested successfuly with raw data.  However, this
configuration is not compatible with any other formats, such s
K9NG/G3RUH, but could certainly be used in a pt to pt
application." Is this true??? If I buy a Data engine with the
9600baud modem,and the DR4-10 will I not be able to connect to
otherson the network using TAPR 9600 baud modems and Motorola
rigs????Doesn't seem right to me...-Chris * Origin: HAM>link<
RBBS 612/HAM-0000 Saint Paul, MN
(K0TG)(1:282/100.0)------------------------------Date: 31 Mar 92
15:01:46 GMTFrom:
waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!mercury!nacjack![e-mail]
Subject: Packet for QNX? AX25 Format?To: [e-mail]
have just recently purchased a Tiny-2 TNC, and a Kenwood TM-241A
50 Watt(2m) transceiver.I run a BBS (phone), and have purchased
the gear in order to attach itto my current system.Problem: I
run QNX 2.15, which as far as I know, has no software totalk
AX.25. I can run a terminal program under MESSDOS, but I wantto
use it for the BBS.Can anyone tell me of anywhere I can get/view
code that will allowme to decode the packeted information that I
receive (via RS232) fromthe Tiny-2? If you have something,
please don't send it, just tell meyou have it. I have to pay for
email and if this is a commonish problem,and I get scads of
copies of code then I will be up to my ears in debt!Thanks in
Advance,Richard--------------------------------------------------
-------------------------"Today we will do lying on the floor.
You will lie on the floor. You willcontinue to lie on the floor,
and if you move a single muscle, I will killyou." - Alexi Sayle,
Didn't you kill my brother?USENET  : [e-mail]
 The Demi-Monde : 199:310/1FIDONET : Richard Vowles 3:772/110.0
 Amateur Radio  : ZL1UTF------------------------------Date: 31
Mar 1992 13:27:18 -0800From: [e-mail]:
Relay to VS6CT "Bill" desired -To: [e-mail]
packet folks,I appreciate anyone who can relay my "cq" to Bill,
VS6CT, a digital hamin Hong Kong.  He is the only digital ham in
HK that I've read about sofar.  I'm (still) planning buy
equipment and would like to get someadvice on what they use in
that sector of the universe.Mitch, KB0GNY,:)
SK------------------------------Date: Mon, 30 Mar 92 21:42:48
UTCFrom: db3fl@db3fl-1Subject: s&f qsp mailTo:
[e-mail]-Subject: LZW implementation to AX25 S&F
systemshello,there are already some implementations of LZW
compression present. currentlyknown only in tcp/ip packages. to
make it available to other systems theremust be a talk abt.
before implementation.my suggestion for the protocol:SABM
    --->>>                <<<---     UA[MBOX-X$]       --->>>
          ; X indicates the ability of LZW1. version
   <<<---     [MBOX-$] ; no LZW ... nothing further happenes2.
version                <<<---     [MBOX-X$] ; able to do LZW,
too!XLZW <bits> <mode>   --->>>          ; variable or constant
.. to be fixed                     <<<---   XLZW Ok ; now they
are synched together                                      ; any
further traffic is compressedOR:                     <<<---   NO
- not supported ; or any other msgthats it. its just the same
way of implementation than in the tcp/ippackages
(SMTP).remember: only the calling station is responsible to
initiate LZW!the LZW should be switchable. its takes some cpu
time, especially on decoding.the value of "bits" is in the range
of 9 to 16. the size of the xferredmail goes to 70% to 55%
depending on the value.pse send ur comments to
'<[e-mail]>' for QSP to me.best regards,
michaelOrigin:
[e-mail]------------------------------Dat
e: 31 Mar 1992 07:39:22 -0800From:
[e-mail]: S.F info + responceTo:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 31 Mar
1992 12:28:49 -0800From: [e-mail]:
Telcom info-group access +To: [e-mail] Bob, Mitch
in Durango, KB0GNYThe "Telecom" info I get comes from
>[e-mail]< .Send mail to:
>[e-mail]<No subject needed, thenSUBSCRIBE
TELECOM your namethat should do it!Are you the Bob that's doing
something with wireless data net for anindustrial park and a
library?A Dios! Mitch
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 31
Mar 92 05:56:46 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.
net!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!turing.acs.virginia.edu!jon@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUSubject: The resurgence of a myth: Craig
ShergoldTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian Kantor) writes:>If
you happen to see a message on your local packet BBS about
sending>post cards to a dying child, you might wish to consider
the following>and perhaps even follow up on the BBS
message.[excellent and completely accurate recounting of the
Craig Shergold legend]Just thought I'd note my 'brush with
celebrity' here... The Kluge ChildrensRehabilitation Center
(KCRC) is next door to my apartment building. That'swhere Craig
had that nasty tumor taken care of... I remember it coming onthe
news and I was startled. I had thought it all to be complete
urban.legend.Aint it a wacky world?CU on the
ether...------------------------------Date: 31 Mar 92 17:36:30
GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!orstnews!ECE.ORST.E
DU![e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Help 2nd try
tcpip ka9q problem>If you have PA0GRI 2.0 you can set "mbox
jumpstart on" to defeat this.  DON'T>DO THIS IF YOU ARE USING
NET/ROM UNLESS yOU GIVE THE NET/ROM NODE A DIFFERENT>CALL
(another PA0GRI 2.0 feature), AND DON"T DO IT AT ALL IF YOU WILL
BE USING>"mode vc"!  The results if you do are NOT pretty.I am
the originator of the jumpstart code; as Phil might agree, it is
not apretty solution, but one that works and at least keeps my
users happy !As for the working of it :jumstart will never be
used if the connect comes from a *known* netrom neighbour,and
never if the interface is in VC mode !The 'known' is the key in
the netrom part; this implies that you have hearda nodes
broadcast from you neighbour, so that your system has
identifiedit as a netrom system. This could sometimes take a
while...I recently fixed the netrom load command, so you can now
load routes (frompreviously saved file) at startup. Gerard has
added this fix to 2.0h, justout...Since v0.95 of my code, i've
added a command to setup a list of calls to exclude from
jumpstart. This can be used to avoid things like rspf in vc
mode,and whatever else is causing troubles... This is not is
gerard's code...Again, not the nicest, when you're trying to
deal with as many proto'sas nos is, that's the way it is...My
stuff can also be found on ucsd.edu73Johan, WG7J/PA3DIS>>AX.25
is a poor wrapper for IP and NET/ROM packets; unfortunately,
thanks to>the FCC it's all we have.  (grrr.....)>>++Brandon>--
>Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]
[e-mail]>Senior Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may
call myself that...)------------------------------Date: 1 Apr 92
01:41:10 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!cunews!revcan!software.mitel.com!perryd@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUTo: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Help 2nd try
tcpip ka9q problemIn article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:>>AX.25 is
a poor wrapper for IP and NET/ROM packets; unfortunately, thanks
to>the FCC it's all we have.  (grrr.....)>Is this true? That is,
is there a legal requirement to use AX.25 framesto encapsulate
IP datagrams? Or would any framing which contained
thetransmitting station's call do?  I recall seeing something
like this inone of the ARRL Computer Networking Conference
proceedings.  Of course,I suppose the point is moot now that
there are billions and billionsof ax.25 tncs out there.Dave--
Dave
Perryve3ifb@ve3jf.#[e-mail]-------
-----------------------Date: 31 Mar 92 18:14:52 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!cs.tamu.edu![e-mail]:
 [e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Help 2nd try
tcpip ka9q problemIn article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brandon
S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:|> AX.25 is a poor wrapper for IP and
NET/ROM packets; unfortunately, thanks to|> the FCC it's all we
have.  (grrr.....)Actually, it works quite nicely for IP, so
long as you operate in datagrammode and don't fool with that
other AX.25 junk.kf-- Kurt Freiberger, wb5bbw      [e-mail]
  409/847-8607  fax:[phone]Dept. of Computer Science, Texas
A&M University      DoD #264: BMW R80/7 pilot"We preserve our
freedom using three boxes: ballot, jury, and cartridge."
*** Not an official document of Texas A&M University
***------------------------------Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 06:56:00
GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>, <11321@perryd>Subject : Re:
Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problemThis is a reference to 97.109
(Station control) paragraph (e):No station may be automatically
controlled while transmitting third-partycommunications, except
a station retransmitting digital packet radiocommunications on
the 6m and shorter wavelength bands. Such stations must beusing
the American Radio League Inc., AX.25 Amateur Packet - Radio
Link -Layer Protocol [sic], Version 2.0, October 1984 (or
compatible). Theretransmitted messages must originate at a
station that is being locallyor remotely controlled.(end of
rules excerpt)I remember a meeting of the ARRL Digital Committee
when the chairmanassured us that our specific mention of AX.25
in a STA petition toallow automatic packet radio operations
would NOT end up being writteninto the
rules...Phil------------------------------Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992
21:04:15 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Help 2nd
try tcpip ka9q problemIs all this trouble worth it just so the
poor user doesn't have to hit"enter" after connecting?? I mean,
really... :-)Phil------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #86******************************Date:
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Digest V92 #87To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
2 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  87Today's Topics:
Accessing UO-22 using an IC-2400 Tranciever?            Anybody
tried to use PCPAKRATT with Desqview?
 A question !                            Ax.25 V2.1?!?
                 BayCom 1.5a ?          Can you run packet on an
HP95LX palmtop? (3 msgs)                  Description of the
KISS protocol?                                Dr4-10
           fbbs to nos forwarding
Keyboard-to-keyboard             re: HELP 2nd try tcpip ka9q
problem (2 msgs)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 2 Apr 92 01:26:38 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!snap.
[e-mail]: Accessing UO-22
using an IC-2400 Tranciever?To: [e-mail] have an
Icom IC-2400 Transceiver (dual band 2m/70cm FM Mobile). I
amwondering what the chances would be of being able to use this
radiosuccessfully to connect to UO-22 (with appropriate modems
etc...)on packet radio.I have not previously played with
satellite communications except fora couple of packet connects
to the MIR space station on 1200 Baud FM soI am not completely
familiar with the requirements of radios etcto use the 9600 Baud
satellites.Any information would be appreciated. Please E-Mail
me at the addressbelow.Cheers de Grant VK5ZWI--Grant Willis
(VK5ZWI) 3rd/4th Yr Elec. Eng. Stud.     | The opinions
expressedAdelaide University, South AUSTRALIA                  |
here are mine. TheAARNet/Internet:
[e-mail]  | Uni probably doesntPacket
Radio: VK5ZWI@VK5TTY.#SA.AUS.OC                | know I
exist!------------------------------Date: 1 Apr 92 15:24:33
GMTFrom: ecsgate![e-mail]: Anybody tried to use
PCPAKRATT with Desqview?To: [e-mail] all.I'm
trying to figure out how to get PCPAKRATT to work withDesqview.
It keeps craping out on me.  Anyone ever accomplishedthis?
ThanksRuss Crisp  KA4UXZ------------------------------Date: Wed,
01 Apr 92 10:17:21 ESTFrom:
wang!tosspot.sv.com![e-mail]: A question !To:
[e-mail],          just wondering - do any
of you, anywhere, live in an areawhere a keyboard to keyboard
channel for ragchewing is designated andactually observed?  (No
backbones, no PBBSes - just people who want totalk to other
people in realtime)   I'm curious, living in SNH as I do, I'm
lucky to be able to connectto anything reliably with all the
congestion, much less another persona hop or two away.
             Lee                     (A packeteer since 1983,
and a NEDA memeber)------------------------------Date: Wed, 01
Apr 1992 15:18:49 -0600From:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kks
ys!tdkt![e-mail]: Ax.25 V2.1?!?To:
[e-mail] anyone have any idea when we will be
seeing AX25 version 2.1?? Seems to me that lvl 2 is starting to
show some of its age(It was released in 1984!!!)The longer
packet lengths would seem to be neededfor H.S. links..... -Chris
N0OVF @ WB0GDB.MN * Origin: HAM>link< RBBS 612/HAM-0000 Saint
Paul, MN (K0TG)(1:282/100.0)------------------------------Date:
2 Apr 92 17:42:23 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.s
ura.net!paladin.american.edu!auvm!alijku11![e-mail].E
DUSubject: BayCom 1.5a ?To: [e-mail] |Does
anyone know about an anonymous ftp site, from which BayCom
1.5acan be downloaded ?73's, tnks de OE5HAN /
Gerald------------------------------Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992
21:01:52 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpcc05!hpdmd48![e-mail]
ubject: Can you run packet on an HP95LX palmtop?To:
[e-mail]: 95LX PacketThe short answer:  YesA
little longer:   You can use XON/XOFF on a 3 line RS-232Even a
little longer: Somebody ported KA9Q TCP/IP to the 95LX and it
ran.Disclaimer: I have never done it myself, but have heard of
it being done andsee no technical barriers (the 95LX runs
115Kbaud for file transfers to a PC,it should handle 1200 baud
for packet). These are my opinions, not HPs.Love my
95LX!!!JohnJohn D. Hays [KD7UW]           |Email: [UUCP]
 ...!hplabs!hpdmd48!jhaysFirmware Engineer              |
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72725,424------------------------------Date: 1 Apr 92 08:42:03
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!swrinde!gatech!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail].E
DUSubject: Can you run packet on an HP95LX palmtop?To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Steve Kanefsky) writes:>Has anyone
successfully run packet on an HP 95LX palmtop computer?>It has a
somewhat non-standard 4-pin serial port with just, RX, TX>and
ground and none of the other pins needed for DCD, hardware
handshaking,>etc.  It *is* compatable with most DOS programs and
has a decent built-in>communications program.Jay Maynard says he
has a version of Phil's TCP/IP for the 95. And of course it
should work with standard TAPR firmware. Only a three wire,Tx,
Rx, and ground, cable is needed for packet. At normal amateur
baudrates, there's little danger of messages scrolling off the
screen beforeyou can read them. :-( So flow control is
unnecessary.Gary KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 1 Apr
1992 16:47:03 GMTFrom:
haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!convex!bcm!lib!oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu!
[e-mail]: Can you run packet on an HP95LX
palmtop?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Steve Kanefsky) writes:>>Has anyone
successfully run packet on an HP 95LX palmtop computer?>Jay
Maynard says he has a version of Phil's TCP/IP for the 95. And
of >course it should work with standard TAPR firmware. Only a
three wire,>Tx, Rx, and ground, cable is needed for packet. At
normal amateur baud>rates, there's little danger of messages
scrolling off the screen before>you can read them. :-( So flow
control is unnecessary.I'd replied to Steve directly, but a
comment or two is in order...My (slightly) modified KA9Q TCP/IP
for the 95 is available for FTP from theHP95LX archive at
eddie.mit.edu and the ham archives at ucsd.edu. It's builtfrom
the base KA9Q package at the 910618 level; I'll snarf the 911229
versionsometime soon and make it run as well.Gary's right that
only a three wire cable is required; this is even true forKISS
mode at higher speeds, since there's a software handshake
involved inKISS. If you're using the built-in Datacomm
application to talk to the TNC interminal mode, you can get
software flow control by using the Settings menu toenable
XON/XOFF mode. I was only able to get it to do KISS reliably at
4800BPS, though, due to the NOS software's interrupt latency.
The cable I use fora PacComm HandiPacket, which has a 9-pin
connector designed to connectstraight through to a PC/AT's
serial port, has a DB-9S for the 95's serialcable, and is wired
with pin 5 (ground) to pin 5, pin 2 wired to pin 3 andvice
versa, and on the DB-9P at the TNC end, pins 7 and 8, and pins
1, 4, and6 jumpered together. The jumpers dummy out the control
signals so the TNC willthink that something is really
there.While I'm here, I have a question about the HandiPacket:
How do I force a hardreset and forget all parameters stored in
RAM? The TNC is in a mode whereit'll echo correctly anything
sent to it at 1200 BPS, but will not do anythingelse. I've tried
'param ax0 255 255' (and 255 254) from NOS, three control-Csin a
row with delays on either side, turning the main operating
battery offwith the TNC on, and waving a dead cat over the box
three times while intoning"Death to Morris!" (heresy, I know...
:-) Any other ideas?-- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never
ascribe to malice that which [e-mail]
 | adequately be explained by a .sig virus.         "Grow up
children. Purchase lives." -- Geoff
Collyer------------------------------Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992
15:18:52 GMTFrom: usc!rpi![e-mail]:
Description of the KISS protocol?To: [e-mail]
Just want to fool around with some networking software but I
know notthing one about KISS. If any one could point me to an
FTP site or mail someinfo to me, I would appreciate it.
             73, Greg - N2IKZ------------------------------Date:
Wed, 1 Apr 1992 13:06:53 GMTFrom:
psinntp!ncrlnk!ciss!lawday![e-mail]: Dr4-10To:
[e-mail]@f100.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com
(Chris Schmelzer) writes:>I was reading an article from the
Packet Register and I saw>something that said>"The Kantronics
D-410 radio has a data slicer and has been tested >successfuly
with raw data.  However, this configuration is not >compatible
with any other formats, such s K9NG/G3RUH, but could >certainly
be used in a pt to pt application."> >Is this true??? If I buy a
Data engine with the 9600baud modem,>and the DR4-10 will I not
be able to connect to others>on the network using TAPR 9600 baud
modems and Motorola rigs????>Doesn't seem right to
me...>-ChrisIt's not.  If the article you saw is Mike Curtis's,
I'm probably hissource.  Here's the scoop:The D4-10 has two I/O
ports:  one is analog and matches the one in theDVR2-2.  You can
shove into it whatever sort of analog modulation, including 9600
baud G3RUH/K9NG, that you want.  It'll be fullycompatible in
that mode with any other UHF radio running the same modem.The
second port is digital.  TXD drives the radio with straight
+/-10kHz deviation (ie, mark is +10, space is -10 from the
centerfrequency).  RXD comes from the onboard data slicer which
looks forthose FSK transitions.To drive the digital port, you
can use a Kantronics modem, which isessentially a G3RUH design
with all the analog bits bypassed so that itfeeds TTL level
signals into the D4.  The Kantronics modem has a dualspeed clock
on board and will work at either 9600 or 19,200 baud.  Thatworks
fine, but you're paying $100 for a modem and only using about
25% of the circuitry on it.  (Of course, it would be easy to
modify a K9NG modem to run this way, and it would probably cost
only $50 or so to build one of those up, again leaving about
half the parts off the board.The other alternative, and the one
Mike referred to, is what we'redoing.  Since the D4-10 can be
properly thought of as an RF modem --with digital signals going
in/out one end, and analog on the other --there's really no need
for a "modem" at all.  We're taking signals fromthe modem
disconnect header and shoving them right into the D4, usingthe
D4 squelch for DCD.We've built our local LAN around this idea,
and it seems to work justfine. I'm sure it's costing us a dB or
two of link margin (since thescrambler used in the K9NG/G3RUH
design is going to have some positiveeffect, and the external
clock recovery may work better than the one inthe SCC chip in
the TNC), but it's meeting our needs, and saving ourusers (all
three of them!) $100 per radio.We decided to build a full-duplex
repeater for the 19.2KB net, and to put our money into improving
its performance so that everyone is benefitted, rather than
requiring each user to increase his investmentto get that extra
dB or two.However, and here's where Mike is going, using raw
data at the digital port is not compatible with the modems,
because a) the analog output is modulated differently, and b)
the data is not scrambled.John   AG9V-- John R. Ackermann, Jr.
     Law Department, NCR Corporation, Dayton, Ohio(513)
445-2966              [e-mail] Radio:
ag9v@n8acv      tcp/ip: [e-mail]
[44.70.12.34]------------------------------Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992
10:42:22 GMTFrom:
news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu![e-mail]: fbbs
to nos forwardingTo: [e-mail] anyone know how
to setup the f6fbb PBBS software to send a carriage returnor the
HID banner to another system when it makes a connection to
auto-forwardmail?  NOS, in particular, needs a packet after the
initial SABM frame tofigure out how to route the packet
internally based on the protocol ID.  Anull packet sent
immediately after connection will do the trick but how?--
Antonio Querubin  [e-mail] / [e-mail]
/ [e-mail]------------------------------Date: 1
Apr 1992 11:44:05 -0800From: [e-mail]:
Keyboard-to-keyboardTo: [e-mail] California
has designated keyboard-to-keyboard channels.With the exception
of one "grandfathered" BBS, the channels are clearof
"full-service" BBS as well as DX clusters.Roy, AA4REex-frequency
coordinator for Northern California Packet
Association------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 92 04:21:03
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: re: HELP 2nd
try tcpip ka9q problemTo:
[e-mail]>[e-mail] (Ted Medin) writes:>:
>:  I have been running pa0gri version 2.0f and have this
problem with x25>: connections:>:  If another user connects to
me with the x25 protocol i get no notification>: from the pgm.
So what am i missing? Tried turning the attended flag on with>A
AX25 connect doesn't send a note to the keyboard, simply because
the >connecting station ISN'T connected to the keyboard!
Whenever you CONNECT>(in AX25) a NOS station, you'll discover
you get the NOS mailbox. Depending>on whatever version of NOS
you have running, you can issue a command to >If there are still
questions, mail me... Sorry i didnt make myself clear. I was not
getting the mailbox banner.I got nothing, no matter how many cr
... were sent. I have isolated the problem tho. There were
several "start ..." that i hadnot done. I started everything and
then tried to digi to myself. First problemwhen you "start tip"
you cant "connect ...". So i "stop tip" and then digiedto
myself. Bingo got the mailbox banner. The thing that confuses me
isexcept for "start tip" all the rest appeared to be off the
wall.Best i can remember here is what wasnt started:
ppp,remote,rip,convers,nntp & pop. Now that i think about it i
suspect convers :-(.BTW its a great software package -> phil et
al73, tedn6trf------------------------------Date: Thu, 2 Apr
1992 07:42:56 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
bject: re: HELP 2nd try tcpip ka9q problemTo:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Ted Medin) writes:>not done. I started
everything and then tried to digi to myself. First problem>when
you "start tip" you cant "connect ...". So i "stop tip" and then
digied       ^^^^^^^^^>to myself. Bingo got the mailbox banner.Ah
ha! That explains it! The "tip" service is an interface to the
mailboxthat bypasses all of the protocol mechanisms inside NOS
between the mailboxand the serial line. That is, instead of
talking to a KISS TNC, thetip service expects to see a dumb
terminal (or a TNC running in regularmode).I didn't write the
tip server and haven't used it, but once you mentionedthis the
problem suddenly became clear.The tip service is intended for a
dialup phone line; there's no pointin using it with a TNC on a
packet channel.Phil------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 92
01:03:49 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!tamsun!cs.tamu.edu![e-mail]
.EDUTo: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Can you run
packet on an HP95LX palmtop?In article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:|> |> And if someone wanted to do the
necessary software, it ought to be|> possible to set up an HP-95
LAN. Just line them up next to a mirror so|> they can all see
each other's IR transmissions. :-)|> Karn, you ARE a sick
puppy!!!!8-}kf-- Kurt Freiberger, wb5bbw      [e-mail]
409/847-8607  fax:[phone]Dept. of Computer Science, Texas
A&M University      DoD #264: BMW R80/7 pilot"We preserve our
freedom using three boxes: ballot, jury, and cartridge."
*** Not an official document of Texas A&M University
***------------------------------Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 01:56:50
GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!qualcom.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] : Re: Can you run packet on an
HP95LX palmtop?In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Kurt Freiberger) writes:|> |> And if someone
wanted to do the necessary software, it ought to be|> |>
possible to set up an HP-95 LAN. Just line them up next to a
mirror so|> |> they can all see each other's IR transmissions.
:-)|> |> |> |> Karn, you ARE a sick puppy!!!!Whyzat?No less an
authority than Leonard Kleinrock (the UCLA professor whodid most
of the pioneering theoretical work on multiple accessschemes)
said at a visiting lecture at CMU when I was a grad studentthere
in 1979 that he envisioned one day building ICs with
internaloptical interconnects. Different parts of the chip would
communicatewith each other by shining infrared off the inside of
the chip's cover,which would be made reflective. Think of it as
a miniature
opticalEthernet.Phil------------------------------Date: Thu, 2
Apr 1992 01:51:50 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!qualcom.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] : Re: Data EngineIn article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (John Ackermann) writes:|> I've
talked to Karl at Kantronics about it also; what he told me is
that|> NOS does'nt do "true" flow control but only does flow on
data coming in|> to the computer, not data going out.  Of
course, the current versions of|> NOS <do> support full flow
control, so I don't think that's the problem.Actually, flow
control has never been part of the KISS TNC standard.Some
versions and some drivers under NOS do RTS/CTS flow control,
butit is not part of the defined KISS standard.The idea was that
a KISS TNC should have enough internal buffering tohandle the
window sizes of whatever transport protocol is being usedacross
the link. That would cause the transport protocol to stopsending
and wait for an acknowledgement before the TNC's
bufferoverflows.  Unfortunately, many TNCs are still memory
starved.One thing you can do is to reduce the window sizes (both
in TCP and inAX.25, if you use the latter in connected mode)
until the problem
goesaway.Phil------------------------------Date: 1 Apr 92
17:33:42 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!sequent!ors
tnews!ECE.ORST.EDU![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Help 2nd try
tcpip ka9q problem>Phil Karn writes:>Is all this trouble worth
it just so the poor user doesn't have to hit>"enter" after
connecting?? I mean, really... :-)Without getting into this ad
infinitum, here's my last word on this :-)I've been running a
'regular' bbs together with nos for quite some years.Recently
i've changed to nos only. For my area, yes it is worth 'the
trouble'to give users a better 'feel' for nos. (apart from the
fact that it initialywas more of a challenge, can i do it ?,
kind of thing :-) )I have sure noticed a lot more interest in
nos here in oregon since some ofthose mods have been brought
about. There are actually a few people switchingfrom msys to nos
because of it (that must be worth something, ;-)73 to
allJohan------------------------------Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992
20:10:01 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>Subject :
Re: Can you run packet on an HP95LX palmtop?Tom Clark demoed his
HP-95 running Jay's port of my code at the TAPRmeeting in Tucson
a few weeks ago.  It has two COM ports, theelectrical port
mentioned here and an infrared port designed to allowtwo HP-95s
to talk to each other. So it ought to be possible to
routepackets through an HP-95. :-)And if someone wanted to do
the necessary software, it ought to bepossible to set up an
HP-95 LAN. Just line them up next to a mirror sothey can all see
each other's IR transmissions.
:-)Phil------------------------------Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1992
14:55:36 GMTFrom:
usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!orchard.la.locus.com!devnet.la.locus.com!d
[e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>, <11321@perryd>Subject : Re:
Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problemIn article <11321@perryd>
[e-mail] (Dave Perry) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brandon
S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:>>>>AX.25 is a poor wrapper for IP and
NET/ROM packets; unfortunately, thanks to>>the FCC it's all we
have.  (grrr.....)>>>Is this true? That is, is there a legal
requirement to use AX.25 frames>to encapsulate IP datagrams? Or
would any framing which contained the>transmitting station's
call do?  My recollection of Part 97 is that stations that are
automaticallyforwarding traffic must use AX.25 Level 2 frames.
Experimenters may useother formats. This restriction should be
eliminated, IMHO.--  * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ         | Views expressed
here are    * * [phone]         | mine and do not necessarily    * *
[e-mail]  DoD #466     | reflect those of my employer    * *
"Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"
*------------------------------Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 13:37:39
GMTFrom: psinntp!ncrlnk!ciss!lawday![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>tSubject : Re: Data
[e-mail] (Mark E. Elbrecht) writes:>>2)
The DataEngine is <not> good for high speed KISS operation.  We
(and>>I'm told others) have tried running NOS with them and
there's something>>just plain wrong with the code -- lots of
frames get trashed, and lots>>of retries.  We think its a
firmware and not hardware problem, as we>>don't see this with
normal AX.25 or G8BPQ operation.>I called Kantronics and asked
about that. Their reply was there was no>hardware or software
flow control in the firmware which is why frames are>getting
trashed.I've talked to Karl at Kantronics about it also; what he
told me is thatNOS does'nt do "true" flow control but only does
flow on data coming into the computer, not data going out.  Of
course, the current versions ofNOS <do> support full flow
control, so I don't think that's the problem.John-- John R.
Ackermann, Jr.        Law Department, NCR Corporation, Dayton,
Ohio(513) 445-2966              [e-mail]
Radio: ag9v@n8acv      tcp/ip: [e-mail]
[44.70.12.34]------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #87******************************Date: Fri,  3 Apr 92
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Digest V92 #88To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Fri,
3 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  88Today's Topics:
          D4-10 (was Re: Dr4-10)                      DCD State
Machine and PK88                                Dr4-10
              Keyboard-to-keyboard
NTS addressing                             NTS messagesSend
Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
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personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
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there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 2 Apr 92 17:33:29 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.
ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!bclcl1.im.battelle.org![e-mail]
USubject: D4-10 (was Re: Dr4-10)To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Chris Schmelzer)
writes:> "The Kantronics D-410 radio has a data slicer and has
been tested > successfuly with raw data.  However, this
configuration is not > compatible with any other formats, such s
K9NG/G3RUH, but could > certainly be used in a pt to pt
application.">  > Is this true???It is true, but using the
built-in data slicer is not the only configurationthat you can
use.  You can ignore the data slicer and use the analog
signalsto your K9NG/G3RUH modem, and everything works just fine.
 In fact, if youbuy the Kantronics 19k2/9k6 modem, you can run
GUH at 9600, or "raw data"at 19200.  If you hack capacitors, you
can swap baud rates and modes, althoughthe IF bandwidths
provided by the radio won't match the signals you generatevery
well.I'm operating a 9600 baud link with a Data Engine, DE9600
modem, andmodified Midland 13-509 on one end, and an MFJ 1270B,
PacComm MB9600,and modified Clegg FM-76 on the other end over a
35 mile path.  Its worksjust fine.  I'm also building (with
AG9V's help) several 19200 links with allKantronics stuff.  So
far, the trial runs over a 40 mile path have alsoworked just
fine.The bottom line is: the Kantronics stuff (that is, Data
Engine, D4-10 UHFradio (the DVR2-2 is crap), and modems) all
works as advertised.  The onlyunknown is just how resistant the
D4-10 is to typical "high RF" environments.So far, we haven't
needed to put any of the 10 D4-10s in any "high
RF"environments.Hope this info helps.  By summer, we should have
a wealth of "real life"experience with the D4-10.-Vic Kean, K1LT
@ W8CQK or
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 2
Apr 1992 13:50:16 -0800From: [e-mail]:
DCD State Machine and PK88To: [e-mail], thanks
for writing back. Well, I'm not sure what to tell you.
ConstantDCD is a problem. My only suggestion is probably
something you have alreadytried over and over...check your
wiring and component placement. Are all thechips oriented in
their sockets correctly (notch towards the edge of theboard?)?
Are all resistors in their proper places? (I almost made
thamistake). Also, on the PK-88 board, did you remember to
remove the jumper fromthe RD line (I think that is the line) and
to solder one of the DCDSM leadsto the center pin? I wish I
could help you more, but without my documentationfor the DCDSM,
I really can only speculate at what the problem might be.Good
luck and 73,Will
Snyder/[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: 2 Apr 92 16:19:31 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!swrinde!gatech!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail].E
DUSubject: Dr4-10To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Chris Schmelzer)
writes:>I was reading an article from the Packet Register and I
saw>something that said>"The Kantronics D-410 radio has a data
slicer and has been tested >successfuly with raw data.  However,
this configuration is not >compatible with any other formats,
such s K9NG/G3RUH, but could >certainly be used in a pt to pt
application."> >Is this true??? If I buy a Data engine with the
9600baud modem,>and the DR4-10 will I not be able to connect to
others>on the network using TAPR 9600 baud modems and Motorola
rigs????>Doesn't seem right to me...>-ChrisIf you use the
Kantronics *modem* you will interoperate with theother G3RUH
equipped nodes in the network. But if you use the D-410 in it's
*FSK data slice mode* with *no* modem, you won't. These are two
*different* ways of using the equipment.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 1992 11:25:59
-0800From: [e-mail]:
Keyboard-to-keyboardTo: [e-mail] Michigan the
MIPAC (Michigan Packet Council) designated 145.03 as
thekeyboard-to-keyboard only frequency. No BBS's in Michigan are
allowed there. This of course has also turned into beacon city.
We also do notallow gateways from 145.03 for people to connect
to BBS's on otherfrequencies. A gateway for keyboard to keyboard
use is fine though.     There is also a 2m TCP/IP only frequency
assigned. We have a fewvisitors running plain TNC's just looking
around, but it is generallyall TCP/IP  (no NETROM's either).Ron
N8FOW------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 92 13:51:28
GMTFrom:
haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!gatech!pitt!w2xo![e-mail]
bject: NTS addressingTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Roy
Engehausen) writes:>The NTSCA is not needed if you are within
the state.  However, the>"standard" is that all BBS within a
state should strip off the NTSxx>for their state.  This is
needed to allow the routing by the TO>portion of the address
rather than the @ portion.Wait a minute!...8-). This is news to
me. This is sure a commentary onthe fact that we need some
written standards. My software, and I'm suresome others consider
the "no @bbs" case to be local. In this case, the mail would
just be dropped into the local mail directory and might never be
delivered if not seen by someone perusingthe local mail.I would
be willing to compile a list of standards, if I can getthe
information..-Jim, W2XO------------------------------Date: 31
Mar 92 20:10:04 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!atha!aunro!adec23!mark@network
.UCSD.EDUSubject: NTS messagesTo:
[e-mail]@chaos.eng.wayne.EDU (Ron Atkinson)
sez:>    There seems to not really be a standard because many
people say that>ZIPCODE@NTSxx is the standard and some people
say that NTS@NTSxx with the>zipcode somewhere in the title or
text is the standard. I prefer that people>use the zipcode in
the "to" field and the state can handle the
message>automatically rather than Sysop's having to scan the
message for a ZIPCODE>to figure out where to send
it.ZIPCODE@NTSxx is `proper'. Here in Canada we use Postal
Codes. Sometimes,we don't have the complete postal code, and the
BBS doesn't take T6H???(or T6H***). Also, you put too much of a
strain on the NTS system (well,the originators) if you require
ALL messages to have the ZIP code, soNTS@NTSxx with some address
information in the subject is the only way aroundthis.So, both
are standards, in my opinion. Ine should strive to
do<Zip/Postal>@NTSxxx if at all possible tho'.<I handle 1
message/month of packet NTS, and chair a CW NTS net five
><times/month and appropriate # of traffic. I am dismayed at the
dismal><capabilities of the Packet NTS system ...
            >Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark
-sk-------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 92 17:16:06
GMTFrom: telesoft![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <11321@perryd>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] : Re: Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problemIn
article <11321@perryd> [e-mail] (Dave Perry)
writes:>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:>>>>AX.25
is a poor wrapper for IP and NET/ROM packets; unfortunately,
thanks to>>the FCC it's all we have.  (grrr.....)>>>Is this
true? That is, is there a legal requirement to use AX.25
frames>to encapsulate IP datagrams? Or would any framing which
contained the>transmitting station's call do?97.109d essentially
says that stations under automatic control and passingthird
party traffic must use AX.25 protocol.  The originating station
mustnot be automatically controlled.  So unless you pass NTS
traffic, you don't have to use AX.25.--GaryM-- Gary Morris
           Internet: [e-mail]6YB (N5QWC)
UUCP:     uunet!telesoft!gTeleSoft                     AMPR:
KK6YB @ W2XOSan Diego, CA                Phone:    +1
619-457-2700------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 1992
15:10:58 GMTFrom:
haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!convex!bcm!lib!oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu!
[e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>tmc.eduSubject : Re: Can you run packet
on an HP95LX palmtop?In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Kurt Freiberger) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:>|> And if someone wanted to do the necessary
software, it ought to be>|> possible to set up an HP-95 LAN.
Just line them up next to a mirror so>|> they can all see each
other's IR transmissions. :-)>Karn, you ARE a sick
puppy!!!!Well, yes, but not for that reason.A '95 LAN is indeed
possible using some sort of IR reflective medium, althoughI'd
suspect that all the machines would have to be placed in fairly
closeproximity to each other.Unfortunately, you can't run both
the IR port and the RS-232 port at the sametime; the IR port is
driven by the same serial hardware as the RS-232 port.-- Jay
Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that
which [e-mail]      | adequately be
explained by a .sig virus.         "Grow up children. Purchase
lives." -- Geoff Collyer------------------------------Date: Thu,
2 Apr 1992 20:00:21 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
: [e-mail] <11321@perryd>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Help 2nd try
tcpip ka9q problemIn article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:>97.109d essentially says that stations under automatic
control and passing>third party traffic must use AX.25 protocol.
 The originating station must>not be automatically controlled.
>>So unless you pass NTS traffic, you don't have to use
AX.25.>--GaryMBut since most packet stations are automatically
controlled, and since youhave no way of knowing whether somebody
is going to pass third-partytraffic through your station, you
are effectively required to use AX.25unless you want to leave
yourself open to a citation should somebody indeedsend third
party traffic through you. Of course, just using AX.25 isn't
enough either, you also need an AIprogram to determine if the
third party traffic is "business related"or not...
:-(Phil------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #88******************************Date: Sat,  4 Apr 92
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Digest V92 #89To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
4 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  89Today's Topics:
     AA4RE BBS Version 2.12 Available                        A
question ! (2 msgs)               Can you run packet on an
HP95LX palmtop?                          D4-10 (was Dr4-10)
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AA4RE------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 92 13:09:11
GMTFrom:
kodak!ispd-newsserver!psinntp!ncrlnk!ciss!lawday![e-mail]
.eduSubject: A question !To:
[e-mail]@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds)
writes:>Gennlemen,>          just wondering - do any of you,
anywhere, live in an area>where a keyboard to keyboard channel
for ragchewing is designated and>actually observed?  (No
backbones, no PBBSes - just people who want to>talk to other
people in realtime)>   I'm curious, living in SNH as I do, I'm
lucky to be able to connect>to anything reliably with all the
congestion, much less another person>a hop or two away.When I
left Wisconsin a few years ago, we had designated 145.03 as
akeyboard channel.  At the time, it was pretty well observed.  I
dunnowhat's happened since then; you might contact WB9TYT or
WA9KEC who Ibelieve are still active up there.John   AG9V --
John R. Ackermann, Jr.        Law Department, NCR Corporation,
Dayton, Ohio(513) 445-2966
[e-mail] Radio: ag9v@n8acv
tcp/ip: [e-mail]
[44.70.12.34]------------------------------Date: 3 Apr 92
15:27:12 GMTFrom:
elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.c
olumbia.edu!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]: A question
!To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lee Reynolds)
writes:>Gennlemen,>          just wondering - do any of you,
anywhere, live in an area>where a keyboard to keyboard channel
for ragchewing is designated and>actually observed?  (No
backbones, no PBBSes - just people who want to>talk to other
people in realtime)>>   I'm curious, living in SNH as I do, I'm
lucky to be able to connect>to anything reliably with all the
congestion, much less another person>a hop or two away.In
Georgia, we have the ROSE network on 145.05 MHz. It is strictly
akeyboarder's medium with no BBS forwarding allowed. Frankly
this ismore from necessity than choice since it collapses if a
couple ofBBS stations try to use it. This system is totally
separate from the normal state high speed network where all
types of activityare welcome.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992
15:39:59 GMTFrom:
pacbell.com!mips!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!hpsa
d![e-mail]: Can you run packet on an HP95LX
palmtop?To: [e-mail] have not used an HP95LX for
packet, but I have used only RX, TX, and GNDto control a Pocket
Packet TNC. I have used this technique on an HP Vectraand an HP
110 Portable. My guess is it will work just fine.Incidentally, I
have seen other instances where only these three lines wereused
to communicate between a device and a terminal. I believe there
is anHP microwave signal generator that has a port for
connecting to an externalterminal for running diagnostics (the
front-panel user interface is not upto the task of running
diagnostics).Don't give up hope!!Brian Torr,
N6IIY------------------------------Date: 3 Apr 1992 22:08:32
-0800From: [e-mail]: D4-10 (was
Dr4-10)To: [e-mail] few comments have been made
about using the D4-10's data slicer withthe Data Engine...and
one comment about it not "talking to other modemsin this mode".
It should be noted that the Kantronics modem when setto the
19.2K mode (and consequently driving the ttl input port on
theD4-10) can easily be emulated with a RUH modem.So in truth,
the bottom line to this is that a D4-10 will only talk toanother
D4-10 when using the ttl input port (data slicer etc.).I have a
Paccom Tiny-2 with NB-96 modem that with a very few mods I
haverunning at 19.2 to emulate the Kantronics 19K2/9K6 modem.The
Kantronics modem is really a simple direct copy of the RUH modem
andin the 19.2 mode they simply bypass the audio stages (the
wisdom of whichI will not comment on) and feed the D4-10 with
pure TTL data.  The pointof all this is that you can do the same
thing to a standard RUH modem(non-Kantronics) and feed it to the
D4-10 radio just as well.If anyone is really interested, I will
post an exact set of instructionsneeded to convert a RUH 9600
baud modem to the configuration needed todrive the D4-10 in it's
"data I/O" mode at 19.2Kbaud.Mark
[e-mail]  (packet
obviously)[e-mail]
(internet)------------------------------Date: 3 Apr 92 07:03:42
GMTFrom:
nosc!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!c
s.umn.edu!kksys!tdkt![e-mail]:
Dr4-10...To: [e-mail] ALL whom have helped me so
far...TNX, but I still have ONE other concern.... I am still
between buying a MOTORLA MITREK UHF and modifying it for9600
packet, and getting crystals....Thesewould be 25 watt
units...The DR4-10 is only 10 watts, but has SUCH a fast
turnaround, andis ready for 19.2k if needed.....The 4-10 would
run meabout 100 dollars more.... ANY comments?!?  I will be
moving a fair distancefrom the LAN this fall as I go to
college... I will probablybe at least an hour drive from the
closest node, so if I DObuy the 4-10 I will eventually have to
add an amplifier....but still, it won't be THAT expensive..... I
want the best price/performance I can get...while stilldoing the
best job I can....The others in the LAN willbe using motorola
MITREKS and TAPR 9600 baud modems... TNX,Chris * Origin:
HAM>link< RBBS 612/HAM-0000 Saint Paul, MN
(K0TG)(1:282/100.0)------------------------------Date: 3 Apr
1992 21:11:10 -0800From: [e-mail]:
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        Fri,  3 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  88Today's
Topics:                        D4-10 (was Re: Dr4-10)
          DCD State Machine and PK88
   Dr4-10                         Keyboard-to-keyboard
                 NTS addressing                             NTS
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-----------Date: 2 Apr 92 17:33:29 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.
ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!bclcl1.im.battelle.org![e-mail]
USubject: D4-10 (was Re: Dr4-10)To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Chris Schmelzer)
writes:> "The Kantronics D-410 radio has a data slicer and has
been  teste

d > successfuly with raw data.  However, this configuration is
not > compatible with any other formats, such s K9NG/G3RUH, but
could > certainly be used in a pt to pt application.">  > Is
this true???It is true, but using the built-in data slicer is
not the only configurationthat you can use.  You can ignore the
data slicer and use the analog signalsto your K9NG/G3RUH modem,
and everything works just fine.  In fact, if youbuy the
Kantronics 19k2/9k6 modem, you can run GUH at 9600, or "raw
data"at 19200.  If you hack capacitors, you can swap baud rates
and modes, althoughthe IF bandwidths provided by the radio won't
match the signals you generatevery well.I'm operating a 9600
baud link with a Data Engine, DE9600 modem, andmodified Midland
13-509 on one end, and an MFJ 1270B, PacComm MB9600,and modified
Clegg FM-76 on the other end over a 35 mile path.  Its worksjust
fine.  I'm also building (with AG9V's help) several 19200 links
with allKantronics stuff.  So far, the trial runs over a 40 mile
path have alsoworked just fine.The bottom line is: the
Kantronics stuff (that is, Data Engine, D4-10 UHFradio (the
DVR2-2 is crap), and modems) all works as advertised.  The
onlyunknown is just how resistant the D4-10 is to typical "high
RF" environments.So far, we haven't needed to put any of the 10
D4-10s in any "high RF"environments.Hope this info helps.  By
summer, we should have a wealth of "real life"experience with
the D4-10.-Vic Kean, K1LT @ W8CQK or
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 2
Apr 1992 13:50:16 -0800From: [e-mail]:
DCD State Machine and PK88To: [e-mail], thanks
for writing back. Well, I'm not sure what to tell you.
ConstantDCD is a problem. My only suggestion is probably
something you have alreadytried over and over...check your
wiring and component placement. Are all thechips oriented in
their sockets correctly (notch towards the edge of theboard?)?
Are all resistors in their proper places? (I almost made
thamistake). Also, on the PK-88 board, did you remember to
remove the jumper fromthe RD line (I think that is the line) and
to solder one of the DCDSM leadsto the center pin? I wish I
could help you more, but without my documentationfor the DCDSM,
I really can only speculate at what the problem might be.Good
luck and 73,Will
Snyder/[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: 2 Apr 92 16:19:31 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!swrinde!gatech!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail].E
DUSubject: Dr4-10To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Chris Schmelzer)
writes:>I was reading an article from the Packet Register and I
saw>something that said>"The Kantronics D-410 radio has a data
slicer and has been tested >successfuly with raw data.  However,
this configuration is not >compatible with any other formats,
such s K9NG/G3RUH, but could >certainly be used in a pt to pt
application."> >Is this true??? If I buy a Data engine with the
9600baud modem,>and the DR4-10 will I not be able to connect to
others>on the network using TAPR 9600 baud modems and Motorola
rigs????>Doesn't seem right to me...>-ChrisIf you use the
Kantronics *modem* you will interoperate with theother G3RUH
equipped nodes in the network. But if you use the D-410 in it's
*FSK data slice mode* with *no* modem, you won't. These are two
*different* ways of using the equipment.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 1992 11:25:59
-0800From: [e-mail]:
Keyboard-to-keyboardTo: [e-mail] Michigan the
MIPAC (Michigan Packet Council) designated 145.03 as
thekeyboard-to-keyboard only frequency. No BBS's in Michigan are
allowed there. This of course has also turned into beacon city.
We also do notallow gateways from 145.03 for people to connect
to BBS's on otherfrequencies. A gateway for keyboard to keyboard
use is fine though.     There is also a 2m TCP/IP only frequency
assigned. We have a fewvisitors running plain TNC's just looking
around, but it is generallyall TCP/IP  (no NETROM's either).Ron
N8FOW------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 92 13:51:28
GMTFrom:
haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!gatech!pitt!w2xo![e-mail]
bject: NTS addressingTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Roy
Engehausen) writes:>The NTSCA is not needed if you are within
the state.  However, the>"standard" is that all BBS within a
state should strip off the NTSxx>for their state.  This is
needed to allow the routing by the TO>portion of the address
rather than the @ portion.Wait a minute!...8-). This is news to
me. This is sure a commentary onthe fact that we need some
written standards. My software, and I'm suresome others consider
the "no @bbs" case to be local. In this case, the mail would
just be dropped into the local mail directory and might never be
delivered if not seen by someone perusingthe local mail.I would
be willing to compile a list of standards, if I can getthe
information..-Jim, W2XO------------------------------Date: 31
Mar 92 20:10:04 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!atha!aunro!adec23!mark@network
.UCSD.EDUSubject: NTS messagesTo:
[e-mail]@chaos.eng.wayne.EDU (Ron Atkinson)
sez:>    There seems to not really be a standard because many
people say that>ZIPCODE@NTSxx is the standard and some people
say that NTS@NTSxx with the>zipcode somewhere in the title or
text is the standard. I prefer that people>use the zipcode in
the "to" field and the state can handle the
message>automatically rather than Sysop's having to scan the
message for a ZIPCODE>to figure out where to send
it.ZIPCODE@NTSxx is `proper'. Here in Canada we use Postal
Codes. Sometimes,we don't have the complete postal code, and the
BBS doesn't take T6H???(or T6H***). Also, you put too much of a
strain on the NTS system (well,the originators) if you require
ALL messages to have the ZIP code, soNTS@NTSxx with some address
information in the subject is the only way aroundthis.So, both
are standards, in my opinion. Ine should strive to
do<Zip/Postal>@NTSxxx if at all possible tho'.<I handle 1
message/month of packet NTS, and chair a CW NTS net five
><times/month and appropriate # of traffic. I am dismayed at the
dismal><capabilities of the Packet NTS system ...
            >Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark
-sk-------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 92 17:16:06
GMTFrom: telesoft![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <11321@perryd>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] : Re: Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problemIn
article <11321@perryd> [e-mail] (Dave Perry)
writes:>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:>>>>AX.25
is a poor wrapper for IP and NET/ROM packets; unfortunately,
thanks to>>the FCC it's all we have.  (grrr.....)>>>Is this
true? That is, is there a legal requirement to use AX.25
frames>to encapsulate IP datagrams? Or would any framing which
contained the>transmitting station's call do?97.109d essentially
says that stations under automatic control and passingthird
party traffic must use AX.25 protocol.  The originating station
mustnot be automatically controlled.  So unless you pass NTS
traffic, you don't have to use AX.25.--GaryM-- Gary Morris
           Internet: [e-mail]6YB (N5QWC)
UUCP:     uunet!telesoft!gTeleSoft                     AMPR:
KK6YB @ W2XOSan Diego, CA                Phone:    +1
619-457-2700------------------------------Date: 2 Apr 1992
15:10:58 GMTFrom:
haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!convex!bcm!lib!oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu!
[e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>tmc.eduSubject : Re: Can you run packet
on an HP95LX palmtop?In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Kurt Freiberger) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:>|> And if someone wanted to do the necessary
software, it ought to be>|> possible to set up an HP-95 LAN.
Just line them up next to a mirror so>|> they can all see each
other's IR transmissions. :-)>Karn, you ARE a sick
puppy!!!!Well, yes, but not for that reason.A '95 LAN is indeed
possible using some sort of IR reflective medium, althoughI'd
suspect that all the machines would have to be placed in fairly
closeproximity to each other.Unfortunately, you can't run both
the IR port and the RS-232 port at the sametime; the IR port is
driven by the same serial hardware as the RS-232 port.-- Jay
Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that
which [e-mail]      | adequately be
explained by a .sig virus.         "Grow up children. Purchase
lives." -- Geoff Collyer------------------------------Date: Thu,
2 Apr 1992 20:00:21 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
: [e-mail] <11321@perryd>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Help 2nd try
tcpip ka9q problemIn article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:>97.109d essentially says that stations under automatic
control and passing>third party traffic must use AX.25 protocol.
 The originating station must>not be automatically controlled.
>>So unless you pass NTS traffic, you don't have to use
AX.25.>--GaryMBut since most packet stations are automatically
controlled, and since youhave no way of knowing whether somebody
is going to pass third-partytraffic through your station, you
are effectively required to use AX.25unless you want to leave
yourself open to a citation should somebody indeedsend third
party traffic through you. Of course, just using AX.25 isn't
enough either, you also need an AIprogram to determine if the
third party traffic is "business related"or not...
:-(Phil------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92
#88******************************------------------------------Da
te: 4 Apr 92 07:08:33 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!tdkt!FredGate
@network.UCSD.EDUSubject: MitreksTo: [e-mail]
get you that info on the mitreks as soon as possible...I will
not be doing the mods myself, but a friend of mine willbe able
to help you... What do you mean by FDX? TNX, Chris N0OVF @
WB0GDB.MN * Origin: HAM>link< RBBS 612/HAM-0000 Saint Paul, MN
(K0TG)(1:282/100.0)------------------------------Date: 3 Apr
1992 13:01:08 -0800From: [e-mail]: Why
segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: Keyboard-to-keyboard)To:
[e-mail] was done in Northern Calif.  at the
request of the TCPIPers.  Itseems that a lot of AX.25 activity
would cause TCPIP to back off sofar that it was getting
unusable.Roy, AA4REex-frequency coordinator for
NCPA------------------------------Date: 3 Apr 92 15:13:38
GMTFrom:
pacbell.com!mips!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!know!cass.ma02.bull.com!lad
cgw.ladc.bull.com!orchard.la.locus.com!devnet.la.locus.com!dana@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUSubject: Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re:
Keyboard-to-keyboard)To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ron Atkinson ) writes:>In Michigan the MIPAC (Michigan Packet
Council) designated 145.03 as the>keyboard-to-keyboard only
frequency. No BBS's in Michigan are allowed >there. This of
course has also turned into beacon city.  We also do not>allow
gateways from 145.03 for people to connect to BBS's on
other>frequencies. A gateway for keyboard to keyboard use is
fine though.>     There is also a 2m TCP/IP only frequency
assigned. We have a few>visitors running plain TNC's just
looking around, but it is generally>all TCP/IP  (no NETROM>'s
either).  I can understand the desire to create a low-level
keyboard to keyboardchannel, but why do people believe TCP/IP
must be segregated to a channelall by itself?  Sure, FTP can
consume a channel, but the same is true if someonedownloads a
large file using AX.25. Sure, the IP headers print garbageon
some screens when monitoring the channel, but so does NET/ROM,
and thisis a truly petty complaint anyway. What is the beef
otherwise?--  * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ         | Views expressed here
are    * * [phone]         | mine and do not necessarily    * *
[e-mail]  DoD #466     | reflect those of my employer    * *
"Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"
*------------------------------Date: 3 Apr 92 23:38:18 GMTFrom:
timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com![e-mail]: Why
segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: Keyboard-to-keyboard)To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Roy Engehausen) writes:> This was done in
Northern Calif.  at the request of the TCPIPers.  It> seems that
a lot of AX.25 activity would cause TCPIP to back off so> far
that it was getting unusable.We also did this in MN, just so us
tcp'ers could have a quiet life, awayfrom the axe-grinding that
some people seem to find essential totheir daily life :-(It
helped us subnet our network too..--
andyw.    N0REN/[e-mail]    Andy Warner, Cray
Research, Inc.    [phone]------------------------------Date:
3 Apr 92 15:32:21 GMTFrom:
elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.c
olumbia.edu!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>eReply-To : [e-mail]
(Gary Coffman)Subject : Re: Can you run packet on an HP95LX
palmtop?In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Phil Karn) writes:>>Tom Clark demoed
his HP-95 running Jay's port of my code at the TAPR>meeting in
Tucson a few weeks ago.  It has two COM ports, the>electrical
port mentioned here and an infrared port designed to allow>two
HP-95s to talk to each other. So it ought to be possible to
route>packets through an HP-95. :-)>>And if someone wanted to do
the necessary software, it ought to be>possible to set up an
HP-95 LAN. Just line them up next to a mirror so>they can all
see each other's IR transmissions. :-)With HP's current rebate
offer in hand, I rushed out and bought one ofthese little jewels
day before yesterday. Besides being very usablewith it's built
in applications, the ability to run normal DOS programsis
welcome. I've got a copy of Jay's NOS and plan to install it
overthe weekend. About a half a dozen local packeteers who meet
for lunchevery Wednesday carry HP95s. Maybe we'll all aim them
at the napkindispenser next week and see if we can talk. :-)Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 3 Apr 92 17:10:22
GMTFrom: telesoft![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] : automatic control (was: Help 2nd try
tcpip ka9q problem)In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Phil Karn) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:>>97.109d essentially says that stations under automatic
control and passing>>third party traffic must use AX.25
protocol.  The originating station must>>not be automatically
controlled.  >>>>So unless you pass NTS traffic, you don't have
to use AX.25.>>--GaryM>But since most packet stations are
automatically controlled, and since you>have no way of knowing
whether somebody is going to pass third-party>traffic through
your station, you are effectively required to use AX.25>unless
you want to leave yourself open to a citation should somebody
indeed>send third party traffic through you. >Of course, just
using AX.25 isn't enough either, you also need an AI>program to
determine if the third party traffic is "business related">or
not... :-(OK, so stations under automatic control must examine
each packet beforeretransmitting it to make sure it's doesn't
contain 3rd party traffic,doesn't further someones business
affairs, doesn't contain obscenities, andit also has to check
that third party traffic originated at a station underlocal or
remote control, it must check to make sure there is no music
beingretransmitted.  Don't forget voice repeaters are usually
under automaticcontrol too, so they have to delay the audio long
enough to analyze it forthese things. What it boils down to is
that under current rules a repeater station underautomatic
control (voice or packet) is responsible for what someone
else(the repeater user) sends thru the repeater.  This, IMHO, is
where the rulesneed to be changed.  Stations under automatic
control shouldn't beresponsible for content of transmissions
originated by other stations.  Thisisn't a new problem, it came
up before when east coast packet BBS operaterswere cited by the
FCC for passing along that message with the 900 number init. And
don't tell the FCC about Qualcomm's power control technology or
they'llstart citing us for running more output power than
necessary. :-)--GaryM-- Gary Morris                  Internet:
[e-mail]6YB (N5QWC)                UUCP:
uunet!telesoft!gTeleSoft                     AMPR:     KK6YB @
W2XOSan Diego, CA                Phone:    +1
619-457-2700------------------------------Date: 4 Apr 92
01:46:31 GMTFrom: world![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Can you run packet on an
HP95LX palmtop?In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kurt
Freiberger) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:>|> >|> And if someone wanted to do the
necessary software, it ought to be>|> possible to set up an
HP-95 LAN. Just line them up next to a mirror so>|> they can all
see each other's IR transmissions. :-)>|> >Karn, you ARE a sick
puppy!!!!>8-}Actually I saw some ideas on wireless office lans
that had the IR transcieversstuck above the office partitions.
Downside was if someone as tall as me walkedpassed 8-}. The lans
were basically a ring topography.I have one of those HP 95s and
really like them. They make a great appointmentcalendar, phone
directory and calculator also. I was able to put antennaformulas
in the solver and figure out all sorts of dimensions. World
Clockis nice. And it will even run MSDOS programs like a
satellite tracking programon it! No if only someone would port
UN*X...73 Eric Cottrell WB1HBU
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #89******************************Date:
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Digest V92 #90To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
5 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  90Today's Topics:
          9600 baud/D-410 reply   Printed Circuit board fer
2Mbps Datalink from 1991 ARRL handbook   printed circuit diagram
or 2Mbps datalink in 1991 ARRL handbook                  Ramsey
FX 146 mod for packet  file            Using a full duplex
repeater for packet radio         Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re:
Keyboard-to-keyboard)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
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otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
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personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 4 Apr 1992 17:54:02 -0800From:
[e-mail]: 9600 baud/D-410 replyTo:
[e-mail] message
<[e-mail]> you write:> > I was reading an
article from the Packet Register and I saw> something that said>
"The Kantronics D-410 radio has a data slicer and has been
tested > successfuly with raw data.  However, this configuration
is not                    ^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                      i.e. no modem> compatible
with any other formats, such s K9NG/G3RUH, but could > certainly
be used in a pt to pt application.">  > Is this true??? If I buy
a Data engine with the 9600 baud modem,
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> and the DR4-10 will I
not be able to connect to others> on the network using TAPR 9600
baud modems and Motorola rigs????> Doesn't seem right to
me...Me, neither.We have here apples and orangutans.  The data
slicer built into the D-410 provides no scrambling; the
k9ng,g3ruh, and TAPR modems do; ergo you can't use the D-410
_without_ amodem and be compatible with those _using_ one of the
afore-mentionedmodems. The D-410, when used with a
k9ng/g3ruh/TAPR modem will work just fineand be compatible with
others using these modems. -- Mike
wd6ehr.ampr.org![e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 05:12:56 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!marlin.jcu.edu.au!solwarra.gbrmp
a.gov.au![e-mail]: Printed Circuit board
fer 2Mbps Datalink from 1991 ARRL handbookTo:
[e-mail],  I would like to know if anyone could
possible send me a postscriptfile of the printed circuit board
layout for the 2 Mbps Microwave Datalinkas printed in the 1991
ARRL handbook in chapter 32.tnx in advance.cul 73's de wayne--
Wayne Amisano               - News Administrator   | wk ph.
+(61) 77 81-8861GBRMPA                      - Townsvile,
Australia.| ph fax +(61) 77 [e-mail]         -
Internet             |  Life is too
importantvk4kt@vk4afs.#NQ.QLD.AUS.OC - PBBS                 |
to be taken seriously------------------------------Date: Sun, 5
Apr 1992 05:20:50 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!marlin.jcu.edu.au!solwarra.gbrmp
a.gov.au![e-mail]: printed circuit diagram
or 2Mbps datalink in 1991 ARRL handbookTo:
[e-mail],  I would like to know if anyone could
possible send me a postscriptfile of the printed circuit board
layout for the 2 Mbps Microwave Datalinkas printed in the 1991
ARRL handbook in chapter 32.tnx in advance.cul 73's de wayne--
Wayne Amisano               - News Administrator   | wk ph.
+(61) 77 81-8861GBRMPA                      - Townsvile,
Australia.| ph fax +(61) 77 [e-mail]         -
Internet             |  Life is too
importantvk4kt@vk4afs.#NQ.QLD.AUS.OC - PBBS                 |
to be taken seriously------------------------------Date: Sat, 4
Apr 1992 14:49:06 GMTFrom:
pacbell.com!att!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com![e-mail]
ubject: Ramsey FX 146 mod for packet  fileTo:
[e-mail] from packet: Msg# TSF  Size #Rd
Date  Time From   MsgID        To 6886 BF    728   0 29-Mar 1800
AA2ES  1289_WA2AAR  RAMSEY@ALLUSA () Sb: FX-146 Packet ModAnyone
experiencing low audio levels on transmit when in packet mode
and using the rear 5-pin DIN connector may find this mod useful.
It worked for me.C65 which connects the AFSK input from the TNC
to the mic line has thestandard value, .01uf. In my case this
caused severe attenuation of the AFSKsignal to the point where I
was unable to connect to anything. Replacing C65with a 0.1uf cap
cured the problem.73 - Ian,
[e-mail]===========================================
===================================Note: I haven't tried or
verified this, proceed at your own risk.
WA2ISE------------------------------Date: 3 Apr 92 17:06:31
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!noc.near.net!gateway!pictel!wpns@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: Using a full duplex repeater for packet
radioTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Shirley)
writes:>We plan on adding a secondary PL decoder at the repeater
which>when it detects the "packet" PL, will add a 10 second
hang-time,>place the packet repeater into carrier for 10 seconds
after drop>of the packet PL and will bypass the voice channels
into the>controller.  This should keep the turn-around times to
a minumim.>>The normal PL decoder is always active and if it
detects "voice>PL, it will open the audio line from the TNC and
essencially>disable the "packet transmitter" til the controller
hang timer>has expired.But if a packet transmitter and a voice
transmitter both key up at thesame time, neither PL decoder will
see anything useful.  How do youintend to deal with this type of
collision?  The only thing I canthink of would be separate
receivers on opposite splits for voice andpacket....Willie
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Sat, 4
Apr 1992 18:50:44 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
bject: Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: Keyboard-to-keyboard)To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Roy Engehausen) writes:>This was done in
Northern Calif.  at the request of the TCPIPers.  It>seems that
a lot of AX.25 activity would cause TCPIP to back off so>far
that it was getting unusable.Actually, it's not the different
protocols, it's the differentcongestion control algorithms in
the various implementations. MostAX.25 implementations do not
perform exponential backoff, and thismakes them highly
vulnerable to congestion collapse on a loadedchannel.Both my TCP
and AX.25/LAPB implementations perform binary
exponentialbackoff, and as long as *everybody* on a channel uses
them things aremuch more stable. But if you have some stations
that do backoff andsome that don't, those that don't will end up
stealing most of thechannel.So a much better criteria for
segregating traffic would be based onthe channel access method,
not the higher level protocols orapplications in
use.Phil------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
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Digest V92 #91To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
6 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  91Today's Topics:
               A question !
Dr4-10...                   FBB 5.14 PBBS software available
           RUH > 19.2 to drive D4-10 in TTL mode
Using a full duplex repeater for packet radio         Why
segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: Keyboard-to-keyboard)Send Replies or
notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 16:57:19 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpcc05!hpdmd48![e-mail]
ubject: A question !To: [e-mail]/
hpdmd48:rec.radio.amateur.packet / [e-mail] (Lee
Reynolds) /  8:17 am  Apr  1, 1992 /->Gennlemen,->          just
wondering - do any of you, anywhere, live in an area->where a
keyboard to keyboard channel for ragchewing is designated
and->actually observed?  (No backbones, no PBBSes - just people
who want to->talk to other people in realtime)->Lee,As a
founding member of NEPRA (which started the whole 5.01 mess),
the decisionwas made to put digipeaters in the repeater
sub-bands, since there were noregulations saying if a digipeater
was an amateur station in repeater modeor not.  144.91-145.09
was a relatively uninhabited part of the spectrum, andwas chosen
because it was clear and in the repeater subband.  This is a
relatively busy peice of spectrum a decade+ later...
consequently any operationin this portion of the band is going
to be subject to NET/WRONG, IP, PBBS,DIGIPEATER operation sooner
or later.  To expect this area to be kept freefor TTY PACKET
QSOs is probably unrealistic.  However, the spectrum
from145.51-145.79 is relatively uninhabited in most areas of the
country (don'tuse 145.55) and has been used for
keyboard-to-keyboard operations quitesuccessfully by a number of
amateurs... why not find a frequency in thisrange which is not
used in SNH and set it up as a simplex and non-bbs
"channel"....John->->                        Lee->
      (A packeteer since 1983, and a NEDA
memeber)->----------------------------------------Date: 5 Apr 92
12:54:42 GMTFrom:
psinntp!ncrlnk!ciss!lawday![e-mail]: Dr4-10...To:
[e-mail]@f100.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com
(Chris Schmelzer) writes:>ANY comments?!?  I will be moving a
fair distance>from the LAN this fall as I go to college... I
will probably>be at least an hour drive from the closest node,
so if I DO>buy the 4-10 I will eventually have to add an
amplifier....>but still, it won't be THAT expensive.....If you
can find an amp to go behind the D4-10 that won't screw up
theturnaround time, let me know.  I'll buy a couple
myself.That's a real problem... when you have a system that can
turn around in6 or 7ms, adding the several hundred milliseconds
that many RF-sensedamps need to switch is a real downer.John
AG9V-- John R. Ackermann, Jr.        Law Department, NCR
Corporation, Dayton, Ohio(513) 445-2966
[e-mail] Radio: ag9v@n8acv
tcp/ip: [e-mail]
[44.70.12.34]------------------------------Date: 5 Apr 92
14:36:26 GMTFrom:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!polaris!funic![e-mail]: FBB
5.14 PBBS software availableTo: [e-mail] version
of the packet BBS software by F6FBB is now available
withanonymous FTP from tomcat.gsfc.nasa.gov (USA) in directory
bbs/f6fbb ornic.funet.fi (Finland, Europe) in directory
pub/ham/packet/bbs/f6fbb.Key features of this software are:   -
The usage of this software is very close to the one made by
WA7MBL, whose   commands have  been  kept. It  has  also a  set
of specific  and original   supplementary commands.   - Works on
any  100 % compatible XT  or AT PC fitted  with a hard disk and
 640 k  RAM,  monochrome CGA  or EGA  VDU,  1 up  to  8 serial
ports. This   software  allows  user-customized  colours  but
works  also  without  any   modification on a monochrome
adapter.   - Can take advantage of extended or expanded memory
installed in the system   - Multiconnections:  up  to 50
simultaneous  channels on  8  TNC (4  or 8   channels per TNC
depending on the software used).   -  Multiplexing:  this
software  supports  usage   of  an  external  MUX   (schematics
included  in the  distribution disk),  supports also extension
boards in the case  of a hardware configuration  having more
than 2 ports.   The MUX  connects 4 TNC  on 1  serial port,
either com1  or com2. Printed   board will be  available from
the  ATEPRA association, (ATEPRA,  23 rue de   Provins, 77520
MONS EN MONTOIS - FRANCE).   - Operates:   - with any  TNC2 or
clone  fitted with the  special 27256 eprom containing   the
WA8DED firmware, or  TF4/TF8, with a Z80 clock  of 2.5 or,
better, 4.9   MHz. -   - with a PK232 in Host-Mode   - with a
G8BPQ node.   - With a KAM hostmode (I seem to have still some
problems).   - Standard BBS: it is a BBS  identical to the
WA7MBL or W0RLI. It has also   server functions (computation of
satellite orbits, callbook, and operator   customizable
chapters, gateway  to an other channel,  the users being able
to chat together in real time on the same or different channels,
etc...).   -  Forwarding:  with  the  other  BBS  WA7MBL  type
or  compatible,  BIDS   management (up  to 2000  of them,  or
more  depending on  a parameter, are   saved in  a separate
file),  a BID  is automatically  generated should the   user
doesnt provide if. Private message  works with the management of
MID.   The messages are suppressed automatically after  a delay
which can be user   defined. This is true for bulletins and
private mail.   - The forwarding is optimized between  BBS using
FBB protocole type. It is   more efficient  on  a  VHF/UHF
network.  This  kind of  forwarding  can be   disabled by
configuration.   - The compressed forwarding allows the
reduction by a factor of about 40-   50% the quantity  of data
to exchange in  big messages.  The messages are   protected by
checksums, then the transfer is made error-free.   - The
forwarding is simultaneous on  the various ports regardless they
are   incoming or outgoing. There might be several forwardings
outgoing per port   which number is set  by parameter. The
number  of incoming forwarding is a   function of the available
channels. The time and the period of forward can   be set
separately on each port.   - The hierarchical routing is
supported.   - The ping-pong phenomenon is automatically
detected and an information is   given to the sysop by a system
message.   - Messages and  bulletins for SYSOP  are duplicated
to  a destination call   which can be defined by configuration.
 - A  detailed  log  of the  BBS  activity  is maintained  and
a statistic   analysis program, written by FC1MVP, is also
available.   - Binary  transfer is  supported with  the usage
of the  YAPP protocol of   WA7MBL.  An extension  to  this
protocol  has  been  made,  including the   automatic restart
and  the  checksum, should  a  stop has  occurred  or a
disconnection  took place  during  the  transfer.  This
extension  to the   protocol works with the TPK, packet terminal
program written by FC1EBN.   - Gateway between connected
stations or with another port.   - Conference within the limits
of the available ports and channels.   - Language: at the first
connection, the connect language is attributed to   the user,
depending of the callsign.   - Remote  SYSOP operation  is
supported  and the  housekeeping of  the BBS   messages, mail
and old  mail is done each and  every night at low activity
period which can be parametered, and is done automatically.   -
Works under DesqView.73, Markku / OH2BQZP.S. I do not act as any
kind of distribution or contact point for this     software
other than maintaining ham archives at nic.funet.fi.     If you
do not have internet access please check a phone BBS near you
 e.g. G8LWY Packet BBS in the UK [phone] or
WB6ODZ F6FBB PACKET SUPPORT BBS (USA)
619-376-6383------------------------------Date: 5 Apr 1992
21:54:01 -0700From: [e-mail]: RUH >
19.2 to drive D4-10 in TTL modeTo: [e-mail] to
numerous requests I am posting modification instructions for the
Paccom NB-9600 G3RUH modem to convert it to TTL input/output to
drive a Kantronics D4-10 at 19.2Kbaud.  Don't forget to change
the radio speed jumpers in whatever TNC you are using to 19.2K
after these mods are done. I mention this only because I spent
one hour trying to figure out why my mod wouldn't work, only to
finally realize I never changed the TNC SPEED to 19.2K to drive
the blasted modem!  (what an idiot huh?)  It's the simple things
that getcha! :-)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
------------
      5 Feb. 92G3RUH Modification to convert to 19.2K and drive
a Kantronics D4-10 throughthe TTL port.  All part numbers given
are for the Paccom NB-96 modem.1.  Receive audio in to receive
data in (conversion to TTL input) mod.    A.  Locate U10 pin 2,
and circuit board trace going to U5 pin 2.        1.  Disconnect
output of U10 pin 2 by either lifting the lead leg           on
the integrated circuit or by cutting trace.  Lifting the leg
      on the IC is the easiest way to go about it.         2.
Connect TTL receive data input from the D4-10 to trace going to
         U5 pin 2.  Note: On Kantronics 19K2/9K6 modem, they
actually put in a jumper that letsyou either drive U5 pin 2
directly from a TTL source (such as the D4-10) or when the
jumper is installed, the input to this stage reverts to normal
G3RUH operation with U16C acting as the Rx filter for the analog
input.  2.  Transmit audio out to Transmit Date out (TTL output)
modification.     A.  Locate U18 (74HC164) pin 3 and trace going
to Jumper-1 pin 1.  Please       note that Jumper-1 normally is
jumpered from pins 2 to 3 with a header       jumper.
1. Connect wire from from Jumper-1 pin 1 to D4-10 transmit data
         input. Note: On Kantronics modem, they do the same
thing.  They disconnect the output of U18A (after C34) with a
header, and allow you to drive the outputwith U18 pin 3 or the
analog output from U18A determined by the position of a header
jumper.   If it is desired to disable the audio output of the
G3RUH modem, you can cut the trace after C34 or remove C34.  I
did neither and just let it run since I was no longer using the
audio output, and I saw no harm injust leaving it run.  3.  Lock
Detector modification.     A.  Locate resistor pack RS-2.  It is
a 100K resistor pack and its onlypurpose is to give 100K of
resistance between pins 1 & 2   and  3 & 4.  The other resistors
in the pack are unused.  The goal here is to change this
resistance to approx. 50K, and there are a couple of ways to
achieve this as listed below:        1. Cut traces to RS-2 and
install two 50K resistors.  One between           pins 1 & 2,
and another between pins 3 & 4.         2. Leave everything
intact and place a 100K resistor across pins           1 & 2,
and another across pins 3 & 4, this will form two parallel
   resistor networks with each one offering 50K to the circuit.
        I used this method.  Not much room to work on the board
for this           step and soldering is in very tight quarters.
      3. Use the unused portions of RS-2 to do the same thing as
#2 above          using shorting wires.  Note:  The value of 50K
for the lock detector was chosen from notes given in the Paccom
NB-96 manual.  I have been experimenting with these values
andhave achieved what appears to be better results with values
different from those reported.  However since I can not document
WHY that is happening, and since it might be limited to my
application, I will not go into details on what values I am
using.  I merely point this out so that if you happen to
noticewhat appears to be poor DCD detection on what appear to be
good signals, thismight be a good first place to look. Note:
There were some suggestions given in the past to modify a
KantronicsDVR2-2 to work with the NB-96 modem at 9600 baud.
These suggestions consistedof bypassing one resistor and
changing the value of another IN the radio.  Thenet result was
to increase the audio output level of the radio to the modem,
and to lower the transmit audio input level from the modem to
the radio.  I have found that increasing the audio output of the
radio to the modem often-times results in WORSE performance and
would recommend keeping it stock.  However, lowering the
transmit drive level is required but it seems to make more sense
to do this in the modem rather than in the radio.  If a 47K
resistor is placed in series with transmit audio output
(INTERNAL to the modem)then it will duplicate Kantronics design,
and will offer easy adjustment of transmit deviation whether you
are using a DVR2-2 or a D4-10. Of course this is only necessary
at 9600 baud, as when the above modifications are done, the
output of the modem is TTL and not analog.  Mark
[e-mail]
(packet)[e-mail]
(internet)------------------------------Date: 5 Apr 92 15:17:16
GMTFrom:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!slic![e-mail]:
Using a full duplex repeater for packet radioTo:
[e-mail]@pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:> In
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
Shirley) writ> >We plan on adding a secondary PL decoder at the
repeater which> >when it detects the "packet" PL, will add a 10
second hang-time,> > But if a packet transmitter and a voice
transmitter both key up at the> same time, neither PL decoder
will see anything useful.  How do you> intend to deal with this
type of collision?  The only thing I canPacket will attempt a
retry and the voice user will notice thelack of
courtesy-tone/hang-time and issue a ker-chunk or key-downfor a
few seconds.  Once the user "captures" the voice channel,then we
only contend with packet transmitter carriers.Good point to
consider.  We would probably reduce the retry countand run the
packet transmitters at the lowest power for aquieting signal
into the box.  Voice users would then be able tocapture most of
the time.Admittedly, this combo is not the perfect setup.  All
we want isto get off of the crowded packet channels, reduce the
need fordigipeats, and have longer than user to user distances.
We don'twant much I guess.--Mike Shirley, WB6WUI          INET:
[e-mail] Box 460  (San Diego)       UUCP:
{hplabs!hp-sdd nosc}!crash!slic!mikeyLakeside, CA 92040-0460
  GEnie: SLIC------------------------------Date: 5 Apr 92
13:30:26 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!swrinde!gatech!gatech!wa4mei!n4rsy!ke4zv!gary@network.
UCSD.EDUSubject: Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re:
Keyboard-to-keyboard)To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana H.
Myers) writes:>>  I can understand the desire to create a
low-level keyboard to keyboard>channel, but why do people
believe TCP/IP must be segregated to a channel>all by itself?>>
Sure, FTP can consume a channel, but the same is true if
someone>downloads a large file using AX.25. Sure, the IP headers
print garbage>on some screens when monitoring the channel, but
so does NET/ROM, and this>is a truly petty complaint anyway.
What is the beef otherwise?With the original exponential backoff
in KA9Q, the problem was thatTCP/IP would *lose* the channel if
any ordinary AX25 user came up.If you had a couple of chatters
and a BBS going, KA9Q would back offto infinity. Now with
settable backoff, TCP can hold it's own withother channel users.
It's now up to the user to make it channel friendly or not. With
reasonable parameters, it coexists nicelywith other users.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
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Digest V92 #92To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
7 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  92Today's Topics:
 Decoding Weather Satellite Pics (WEFAX)
 Dr4-10... (2 msgs)                   Help ka9q et al mailer
question                  Poor Man's packet & modem (2 msgs)
    Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: Keyboard-to-keyboard)Send
Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 6 Apr 92 14:38:03 GMTFrom:
eos!aio!sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov![e-mail]: Decoding
Weather Satellite Pics (WEFAX)To: [e-mail]    I am
attempting to put together a satellite ground station todecode
NOAA and GOES satellite images.  There are several
stumblingblocks in the way:    - I have an AEA-PK232A.  Supposedly
this supports WEFAX decoding,      but the operating manual that
comes with it just suggests buying      AEA's own software.  I want
to write my own, but have no information      on what format the
demodulated picture will be in when it appears      on my computer
serial line.    - Where can I get a 1691 MHz -> ~137 MHz
downconverter and what is      it likely to cost?    - Where can I get
~2 ft of 9913 RG-8U?  The only source I've found      so far is
AES, and they only sell it in 100 ft rolls (according      to the
catalog).    - Does anyone have any comments on modifying scanners
in the 137 MHz      range to get the 30-50 kHz bandwidth required?
Thanks for any help.    -Keith Mancus
<[e-mail]>
N5WVR------------------------------Date: 6 Apr 1992 09:08:24
-0700From: ucsd.edu![e-mail]: Dr4-10...To:
[e-mail]@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John
Ackermann) writes:>That's a real problem... when you have a
system that can turn around in>6 or 7ms, adding the several
hundred milliseconds that many RF-sensed>amps need to switch is
a real downer.On the other hand, it's not too much trouble to
run a new wire into theamp and connect it to the PTT circuit in
the associated transmitter -that way you don't have the delay in
the RF sensing circuit to dealwith.Typical clapper-type relays
switch in 4 to 5 milliseconds, so the relayisn't going to be a
timing problem when keying up.  However, they DOtake longer -
sometimes tens of milliseconds - to UNKEY.  This isworsened by
spike diodes.I suspect that some sort of totem-pole driver that
would short the relaycoil on unkey would significantly quicken
the unkey time, but it'd haveto be a pretty beefy transistor.
Luckily, TV horizontal outputtransistors are only a few
dollars.This begs the question of whether the relay would
survive typical packetduty cycles.I have been using the antenna
relays out of old junk Motorola radios formy 56kb stuff.  They
are reasonably fast, and they're of sealed-reedconstruction, so
they may survive.    - Brian------------------------------Date:
Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:16:35 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla![e-mail].E
DUSubject: Dr4-10...To: [e-mail]
rec.radio.amateur.packet, [e-mail] (Brian Kantor) writes:
  [e-mail] (John Ackermann) writes:
Typical clapper-type relays switch in 4 to 5 milliseconds, so
the relay    isn't going to be a timing problem when keying up.
However, they DO    take longer - sometimes tens of milliseconds
- to UNKEY.  This is    worsened by spike diodes.Really? The few
electo-mechanical switches I've looked at (they wereattenuators
along with T/R switches for a 432 MHz EME station) appearedto
switch in a few milliseconds but then they often bounced
afteranother several.  I didn't feel too comfortable in applying
lots ofpower until 20 milliseconds had gone by.  Maybe I just
tried the wrongbrand.    This begs the question of whether the
relay would survive typical packet    duty cycles.    I have
been using the antenna relays out of old junk Motorola radios
for    my 56kb stuff.  They are reasonably fast, and they're of
sealed-reed    construction, so they may survive.How about using
Mitsubishi (or anyone else's for that matter) MD00Xseries of PIN
switches?  They switch very rapidly, under a microsecond,and
take lots and lots of cycles.  The "H" suffix generally are
spec'dto handle at least 25 watts.  I've used these at 900 and
1200 MHz withgreat success but there are also versions for 140
and 440 MHz territory.I think if enough people called RF Parts
that they might finallyactually get some in stock.  I've asked
them for them several times andthey've said something like "yes,
we can get them if there is interest"but I guess I never had
enough $'s to get them to count it as interest.  I'm using the
MD003H and MD004H in the 900 and 1200 MHz radios and they'vebeen
great. Varieties of the MD001 and M007 work at vhf and low uhf.
Another alternative is to buy a few Unitrode (or other) PIN
diodes andbuild your own.  I think Microwave Components of
Michigan had parts awhile back and they may still.  It should
only cost a few dollars for even a fairly high power switch.
Insertion loss is generally between .5 and 1 dB for the ones
I've used.Glenn Elmore n6gnN6GN @ K3MC      amateur
IP:    [e-mail]:    [e-mail]
------------------------------Date: 6 Apr 92 22:48:56 GMTFrom:
[e-mail]: Help ka9q et al mailer
questionTo: [e-mail] Im having a bit of trouble
with the mailer & ka9q software.After a lot of experimenting i
am running this way:1. domain.txt - has only callsigns, not
"callsign.ampr.org."2. domain suff null - the suffex(sp?) is not
specified ie "ampr.org."3. mail to "ted@n6trf" get thru fine &
most of the time i have no trouble   with addressing.   However,
when mail is sent to "n6trf" i get "n6trf.ampr.org not found"So
before i paint myself into a corner would you pse advise me on
what i should be doing (as above) or whatever so that
"ted@n6trf" & "n6trf" bothwork as good addresses. Thanks in
advance.73, tedn6trf------------------------------Date: 6 Apr 92
02:41:58 GMTFrom:
csus.edu!netcomsv!micromed![e-mail]: Poor
Man's packet & modemTo: [e-mail] a standard
modem be used with poor man's packet?  I have a zoom external,
and can purchase some used hayes modems (1200 baud) for $15.
Can these be used with PMP?   Also, how would you connect from
the modem (standard phone type cord jacks) to a hand
talkit?----------------------------------------------------------
[e-mail] (Michael
Solinas)Micro-Medic BBS
  [phone]------------------------------Date: Tue, 7 Apr
1992 00:06:12 GMTFrom:
theory.TC.Cornell.EDU![e-mail]: Poor
Man's packet & modemTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Michael Solinas) writes:>Can a
standard modem be used with poor man's packet?  I have a zoom
>external, and can purchase some used hayes modems (1200 baud)
for $15.  >Can these be used with PMP?No.  In general most
telephone modems *cannot* be used for 1200 baud packet.Most
UHF/VHF 1200 baud packet uses Bell 202, which is a half-duplex
FSK protocol.  Some old, old modems implement this protocol but
you don'tfind them around much anymore:  they usually get thrown
away.-- =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =Andrew C. Payne, N8KEI        UUCP:
...!cornell!batcomputer!payne                          INTERNET:
 [e-mail]------------------------------Date: 5 Apr
92 14:44:51 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!xenitec!lemsys!clemo
[e-mail]: Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re:
Keyboard-to-keyboard)To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana H.
Myers) writes:>>  I can understand the desire to create a
low-level keyboard to keyboard>channel, but why do people
believe TCP/IP must be segregated to a channel>all by itself?>>
Sure, FTP can consume a channel, but the same is true if
someone>downloads a large file using AX.25. Sure, the IP headers
print garbage>on some screens when monitoring the channel, but
so does NET/ROM, and this>is a truly petty complaint anyway.
What is the beef otherwise?        I believe the problem is that
AX.25 is more "aggressive" thanTCP/IP and will therefore, take
all of the channel time when conflicts andcollisions arise.--
Craig Lemon VE3XCL - Kitchener, Ontario. Amiga B2000  OS 2.04
UUCPv1.15D. [phone]    [phone]              |
Silly people!  We all [e-mail]
[e-mail]  | know that the Universe IP/Packet:
[e-mail] [44.135.84.51]| revolves around
UUNET!------------------------------Date: 7 Apr 92 00:01:42
GMTFrom: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <11321@perryd>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>duReply-To :
[e-mail] (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)Subject : Re: Help
2nd try tcpip ka9q problemAs quoted from
<[e-mail]> by [e-mail] (Gary
Morris @lone):+---------------| In article <11321@perryd>
[e-mail] (Dave Perry) writes:| >In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brandon
S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:| >>AX.25 is a poor wrapper for IP and
NET/ROM packets; unfortunately, thanks to| >>the FCC it's all we
have.  (grrr.....)| >>| >Is this true? That is, is there a legal
requirement to use AX.25 frames| >to encapsulate IP datagrams?
Or would any framing which contained the| >transmitting
station's call do?| | 97.109d essentially says that stations
under automatic control and passing| third party traffic must
use AX.25 protocol.  The originating station must| not be
automatically controlled.  | | So unless you pass NTS traffic,
you don't have to use AX.25.+---------------I beg your pardon,
but the definition of "third party traffic" in Part 97 issuch
that digipeating and NET/ROM and IP packet forwarding qualify.
You cantherefore omit AX.25 Level 2 only for direct
point-to-point links not runninge.g. POP.This is
annoying.++Brandon-- Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]
  [e-mail] Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may
call myself that...)------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #92******************************Date:
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8 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  93Today's Topics:
            AmigaNOS questions                          Combined
radio/TNC                     G3RUH with IC-32E/A, anyone?
              Ottawa PI board and CSU/DSU
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-----------Date: 7 Apr 1992 08:43:27 -0700From:
[e-mail]: AmigaNOS questionsTo:
[e-mail] have a couple of AmigaNOS questions:1) Is
there a command to instruct AmigaNOS to constantly update all
session windows instead of only the currently active one?2) How
do I change the default timezone from GMT to EST since I have my
  machines clock set to EST and it puts "GMT" after the time?3)
Has anybody successfully used AmigaELM instead of BM for a
mailer?--
_________________________________________________________________
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Homebrew is better
brew.============================================================
==========------------------------------Date: 6 Apr 92 19:32:41
GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!tamsun!inetg1!ut-emx!ibmchs!auschs!a
wdprime.austin.ibm.com!vulcan.austin.ibm.com![e-mail]
Subject: Combined radio/TNCTo: [e-mail] anyone
know of a combined 2 meter radio/TNC? This would seem to be
alogical combination. Thanks.N5DJL--
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are my own.  CI$:  76337,1730                         | IBM's
are confidential.
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~~~~~~~------------------------------Date: 8 Apr 92 09:35:34
GMTFrom: mcsun!news.funet.fi!cc.tut.fi![e-mail]:
G3RUH with IC-32E/A, anyone?To: [e-mail]   I have
just finished constructing my G3RUH 9600bps modem and now   I
need to get it connected to my radio, which is IC-32E. I know
that   it might not be possible, but I don't have the cash to
buy a new rig   at the moment. Any help with this is welcome--
-----------------------------------------------------------------
------------    Harri Viertola, InterNet: [e-mail] Packet:
[e-mail]   IRC:Harri  Phone:[phone]
Addr:Ilmarink. 39 B 22, 33500 Tampere       .tut.fi stands for
Tampere University of Technology,
Finland------------------------------Date: 5 Apr 92 21:15:32
GMTFrom:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!suned1!anacapa![e-mail]:
 Ottawa PI board and CSU/DSUTo: [e-mail] anyone
hooked the high-speed port of a Ottawa PI card to a CSU/DSU
running 56 KB/S?  I just got two PI cards, and lacking yet the
WA4DSY modems, thought i'd try something else - upgrading an
existing landline 4-wire circuit (2 miles) now using short-haul
async modems at 9600 bps, to 56 kbps, using a pair of spare
CSU/DSUs as line drivers.  The CSU/DSUs are Codex 3500.  They
have DB-25 connectors strap-selectable as RS-232 or V.35, of
which the RS232 appears preferable here (it's unbalanced, where
V.35 has some balanced pairs.)  Looks like, at first glance, I
just need to hook up RS232 drivers and receivers to convert the
PI card's TTL in/out to the CSU/DSU's levels (or bypass
something in the CSU/DSU), and wire the appropriate ins and outs
together.  Any ideas?  Anyone done this?
                geoff------------------------------Date: 7 Apr 92 15:00:36
GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv![e-mail]:
Poor Man's packet & modemTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Michael Solinas) writes:>Can a
standard modem be used with poor man's packet?  I have a zoom
>external, and can purchase some used hayes modems (1200 baud)
for $15.  >Can these be used with PMP?>   Also, how would you
connect from the modem (standard phone type cord >jacks) to a
hand talkit?Packet uses Bell 202 tones while your Zoom and the
Hayes 1200 use Bell 212tones. They are not compatible. The
"smart" in the smartmodems also getsin your way. The original
Hayes Smartmodem had a method of using the 300baud speed over
radio. There's instructions in the back of the modem
manual.*That* would be compatible with HF packet, but your
program would have touse "AT" commands to switch from transmit
to receive. All in all it's alosing proposition when a couple of
Exar chips or an AMD7910 make a perfectly satisfactory packet
modem for a few bucks.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 7 Apr 1992 15:10:24
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Digest V92 #90To: [e-mail]-Radio Digest
  Sun,  5 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  90Today's Topics:
                  9600 baud/D-410 reply   Printed Circuit board
fer 2Mbps Datalink from 1991 ARRL handbook   printed circuit
diagram or 2Mbps datalink in 1991 ARRL handbook
Ramsey FX 146 mod for packet  file            Using a full
duplex repeater for packet radio         Why segregate TCP/IP?
(was Re: Keyboard-to-keyboard)Send Replies or notes for
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requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
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there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 4 Apr 1992 17:54:02 -0800From:
[e-mail]: 9600 baud/D-410 replyTo:
[e-mail] message
<[e-mail]> you write:>> I was reading an
article from the Packet Register and I saw> something that said>
"The Kantronics D-410 radio has a data slicer and has been
tested> successfuly with raw data.  However, this configuration
is not                   ^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                     i.e. no modem> compatible
with any other formats, such s K9NG/G3RUH, but could> certainly
be used in a pt to pt application.">> Is this true??? If I buy a
Data engine with the 9600 baud modem,
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> and the DR4-10 will I not
be able to connect to others> on the network using TAPR 9600
baud modems and Motorola rigs????> Doesn't seem right to
me...Me, neither.We have here apples and orangutans.The data
slicer built into the D-410 provides no scrambling; the
k9ng,g3ruh, and TAPR modems do; ergo you can't use the D-410
_without_ amodem and be compatible with those _using_ one of the
afore-mentionedmodems.The D-410, when used with a
k9ng/g3ruh/TAPR modem will work just fineand be compatible with
others using these modems. -- Mike
wd6ehr.ampr.org![e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 05:12:56 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!marlin.jcu.edu.au!solwarra.gbrmp
a.gov.au!wayne @network.UCSD.EDUSubject: Printed Circuit board
fer 2Mbps Datalink from 1991 ARRL handbookTo:
[e-mail],  I would like to know if anyone could
possible send me a postscriptfile of the printed circuit board
layout for the 2 Mbps Microwave Datalinkas printed in the 1991
ARRL handbook in chapter 32.tnx in advance.cul 73's de
wayne--Wayne Amisano               - News Administrator   | wk
ph. +(61) 77 81-8861GBRMPA                      - Townsvile,
Australia.| ph fax +(61) 77 [e-mail]         -
Internet             |  Life is too
importantvk4kt@vk4afs.#NQ.QLD.AUS.OC - PBBS                 |
to be taken seriously------------------------------Date: Sun, 5
Apr 1992 05:20:50 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!marlin.jcu.edu.au!solwarra.gbrmp
a.gov.au!wayne @network.UCSD.EDUSubject: printed circuit diagram
or 2Mbps datalink in 1991 ARRL handbookTo:
[e-mail],  I would like to know if anyone could
possible send me a postscriptfile of the printed circuit board
layout for the 2 Mbps Microwave Datalinkas printed in the 1991
ARRL handbook in chapter 32.tnx in advance.cul 73's de
wayne--Wayne Amisano               - News Administrator   | wk
ph. +(61) 77 81-8861GBRMPA                      - Townsvile,
Australia.| ph fax +(61) 77 [e-mail]         -
Internet

      |  Life is too importantvk4kt@vk4afs.#NQ.QLD.AUS.OC - PBBS
                |  to be taken
seriously------------------------------Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992
14:49:06 GMTFrom:
pacbell.com!att!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com![e-mail]
ubject: Ramsey FX 146 mod for packet  fileTo:
[e-mail] from packet: Msg# TSF  Size #Rd
Date  Time From   MsgID        To 6886 BF    728   0 29-Mar 1800
AA2ES  1289_WA2AAR  RAMSEY@ALLUSA () Sb: FX-146 Packet ModAnyone
experiencing low audio levels on transmit when in packet mode
andusing the rear 5-pin DIN connector may find this mod useful.
It worked for me.C65 which connects the AFSK input from the TNC
to the mic line has thestandard value, .01uf. In my case this
caused severe attenuation of the AFSKsignal to the point where I
was unable to connect to anything. Replacing C65with a 0.1uf cap
cured the problem.73 - Ian,
[e-mail]===========================================
===================================Note: I haven't tried or
verified this, proceed at your own risk.
WA2ISE------------------------------Date: 3 Apr 92 17:06:31
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!noc.near.net!gateway!pictel!wpns@
network.UCSD.E DUSubject: Using a full duplex repeater for
packet radioTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Shirley)
writes:>We plan on adding a secondary PL decoder at the repeater
which>when it detects the "packet" PL, will add a 10 second
hang-time,>place the packet repeater into carrier for 10 seconds
after drop>of the packet PL and will bypass the voice channels
into the>controller.  This should keep the turn-around times to
a minumim.>>The normal PL decoder is always active and if it
detects "voice>PL, it will open the audio line from the TNC and
essencially>disable the "packet transmitter" til the controller
hang timer>has expired.But if a packet transmitter and a voice
transmitter both key up at thesame time, neither PL decoder will
see anything useful.  How do youintend to deal with this type of
collision?  The only thing I canthink of would be separate
receivers on opposite splits for voice andpacket....Willie
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Sat, 4
Apr 1992 18:50:44 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
bject: Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: Keyboard-to-keyboard)To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Roy Engehausen) writes:>This was done in
Northern Calif.  at the request of the TCPIPers.  It>seems that
a lot of AX.25 activity would cause TCPIP to back off so>far
that it was getting unusable.Actually, it's not the different
protocols, it's the differentcongestion control algorithms in
the various implementations. MostAX.25 implementations do not
perform exponential backoff, and thismakes them highly
vulnerable to congestion collapse on a loadedchannel.Both my TCP
and AX.25/LAPB implementations perform binary
exponentialbackoff, and as long as *everybody* on a channel uses
them things aremuch more stable. But if you have some stations
that do backoff andsome that don't, those that don't will end up
stealing most of thechannel.So a much better criteria for
segregating traffic would be based onthe channel access method,
not the higher level protocols orapplications in
use.Phil------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
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Digest V92 #94To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
9 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  94Today's Topics:
         Administrivia - Whoops!                       (F)
Stephens fish system                          20th Century Wars
                               ????                       [P]
command in AmigaNOS                              A LetR 4 U
                        Alligators                        And
Where do you Live                             ASSIMILATION
automatic control (was: Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problem)
                 Baudot TTY wanted              Bicycling parts,
acces. for sale (2 msgs)      Chinese Nationals Came Before
4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Chorus                             creationism
     Creation Vs Evolution                                  d
                            Dr4-10
Electroplating                      Future of Music Education
                         GIS Software
Global Ed. And Technology                            Hello (4
msgs)                                hello?
           help                   Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q
problem                      HEY...
              HHHHHHAAAAAALOOOOOOO
   Hi                          Internat.wpk Reply
      Is ISC X2.0 based on X386?                        LATE
READING (2 msgs)        List of 4800 baud and 9600 baud capable
radios needed.                         looking for a friend
           Mac Programmer/FORTRAN/Unix Job, CO
              Mail                             Miss Saigon
             No more "Trademarks" for me...
       Other Music!                   packratt interface info.
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                           Poem
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                Quebec Separation
Rock-a-Doodle GIF's anybody?                      Set Up HP 425t
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                  The Wash???????
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digests is located), and because of a minor typo inone file
(forgot a negation sign), we dumped several hundredcompletely
irrelevant messages into these digests.Humble apologies.
Arrgh!It will probably take a day for them to clear out.Ah well,
as my school advisor used to say:    "Never make small mistakes.
The large ones are easier to spot."    -
Brian------------------------------Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:48:40
GMTFrom:
nsisrv!kong![e-mail]:
 (F) Stephens fish systemTo: [e-mail]'m starting
on my next great aquarium endeavor... a fish rack.  The 75
gallon "Stephens" plant tank is doing fine.  The algae is under
control, plants seem to be doing fine and maintenance is
routine.  The fish population is increasing!!!   Time for
something new to spend my resources on.A fish rack.  Yes, I want
to get back into breeding fish.  So I'm looking to setup an area
in my basement for such a beast.  I've visited two fish rooms:
one for discus and the other for killies.  I hope to cajole my
way into a house that breeds dwarf cichlids.  We'll see.  If
anybody is thinking along similar lines, visiting setups is
very, very helpful.Currently, the set up as designed is one
rack, eight feet long with three tiers. The tanks are a mixture
of 15's, 20's and 10's.  The target fish are killies, dwarf
cichlids and tetras (actually, any small fish).  And yes, I'm
aware that killies and cichlids have different temperature needs
and others as well... that's part of the challenge and fun.  If
some fish decline to breed "on the rack", I won't breed 'em.  So
there.This is all on a Mac computer, in design, so nothing is
final and it's gona take me a few months to pull it all
together.  Currently the target specs are:+  210 gallons total
capacity: each tier has :   20L, 3 10s, 20L   The 10s are viewed
length wise.+  Bio filter a la Rubbermade and trash can+  Plant
scrubber with water hyacinth, also servers as water changing
sump (see below).+  Water change via valve and switch throw,
system tied to house plumbing+  Temperature of 75F+  Tap water
for water change pre-filtered thru charcoal (currently the tap
water has 4ppm N-Nitrate & 4 dH general hardness, no
chloramines)+  Tanks will be drilled out from the bottom with
water taken from the top.+  Filtered water is squirted across
the top of each tank, but I may have a vertical spray bar to
encourage the mulm from the bottom to leave.The idea for the
filter is to make it effective, of course, but also to make a
water change in as little as 10 minutes or less.  The idea is to
have a water container large enough to hold all of the water
needed to make the change.  System water pours into that
container from the drilled tanks, and a pipe, located a few
inches below the top of the container, leads the water to the
top of the bio-filter.  Easily changed floss continuing
pre-filters are placed on top of each container.   See the
silly, ASCII I don't know why I bother, drawing below.from
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  ******** pump ***    |_____________|         |____________|
  40-50 gallon           bio-filter    water change sump
To make a water change you divert the dirty water from the water
change sump by turning a valve (the "0"), causing water to flow
directly into the bio-filter.  Open the valve at the bottom of
the sump and water goes down the drain (or elsewhere).  Not
shown is the connection to the house plumbing going into the
water change sump.  Close the bottom valve, fill the container
with tap, condition if needed, and open the top valve and
presto... water has been changed.  (Right?)To some, this may
seem like overkill.  I have difficulty in dealing with events
where you have to time yourself.  The killifish room used the
meridian water changers.  He did report one event where he
forgot them and left them on for an extended time and the fish
started to feel the effects of chlorine!  Knowing me, I would do
this all the time. And I do with the de-ionizer setup I
currently have.Comments are most welcome.  Reports of any
experiences folks have had with systems of this type are also
welcome.  A few questions:How much bio-media do I need?  Both
for in and out of water "wet/dry" filter.  I know, it depends on
several factors, but even a rough idea would be helpful.  The
discus system had 10 gallons of Bio-pack for 225 gallons of tank
water.  Overkill or under?  Or right on?The current rack design
has 20L tanks being supported length wise only, there is no
support for the ends.  Is this OK?  The tens are perpendicular
to the 20s and are supported by the same two beams as the 20s.
The killifish room had this arrangement and it seem to work
well.                  mark------------------------------Date:
Tue, 07 Apr 92 19:47:59 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org!Lau
[e-mail]: 20th Century WarsTo:
[e-mail] want a debate? You got it! That's what
Debate teams are for, after all... I'm a warfare buff, too, and
I just ran out of people to talk to on this subject. That is, I
ran out of NEW people to talk with; my old bunch is still
around, waiting for something to argue over...If you want to
talk, I'm here to listen and then..."chat". --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!345!6!Laurence.AkiyamaInternet:
[e-mail]--------------------------
----Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 09:23:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f690.n260.z1.fidonet.org!K
[e-mail]: ????To:
[e-mail] Paragraph four pages long.  Sounds like
a long report.  The maximum report I had to do  is two pages.
Well, got to go now someone esle what to use this.  Bye  --
uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!260!690!Kristie.MaherInternet:
[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: 8 Apr 1992 04:49:57 -0700From:
[e-mail]: [P] command in AmigaNOSTo:
[e-mail] AmigaNOS v2.8s mailbox command [P]age
returns an error code.The akit28s files contain a sample
NOS-startup file that includes the lineamiga command "NewCLI
From s:server-shell"I can't find a file in the AmigaNOS 2.8s
archives called "server-shell"My guess is that it is needed to
open a console window for [P].Can anyone get me
directions?ThanksTom------------------------------Date: Tue, 07
Apr 92 09:30:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f690.n260.z1.fidonet.org!G
[e-mail]: A LetR 4 UTo:
[e-mail],So I heard that you enjoyed the water
Derby quite well. Brian what would your definition of the Water
Derby.  If you cant answer that, thats o.k. cause if you were to
ask me the same thing I couldn't even tell you my name. Do ya
understand?  Well Kristie said that she met you.  I hope you
were a good BOY!  Well I better get Jammin' catch ya
Later!!!Peace Always,Gina  --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!260!690!Gina.NurseInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 92 23:21:05 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!p0.f0.n324.z1.fidonet.org!
[e-mail]: AlligatorsTo:
[e-mail] Mandi, Whats up???, Thats cool!!! My
name is AJ Capece Im from danvers Ma> Im about 5'11'' brown eyes
and hair. I love music almost any kind.  I also like out door
sports like hockey, Hunting,fishing...etc that kind of stuff. I
also like just hangin with my friends! What do you do for fun?
What kind of music do you like? Can I ask you somthing? How come
you wanted guys to write Hugh?well gotta go-WBS--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!324!0.0!Aj.CapeceInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 09:21:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f400.n348.z1.fidonet.org!M
[e-mail]: And Where do you LiveTo:
[e-mail] I am from winnipeg... But I used to
live in L.A. California....Looking for some of my old friends...
I think!4Don't forget... My name is 6Michael Gamer/?--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!348!400!Michael.GamerInternet:
[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 18:48:43 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f721.n278.z1.fidonet.org!S
[e-mail]: ASSIMILATIONTo:
[e-mail] agree that Austrailia is much harder to
get to. The problem is that the Liberal establishment in this
country is making it so easy for immigrants NOT to assimilate
i.e. having a multilingual culture. So many things are written
in Spanish,and Oriental languages which makes me (and many
others) feel like a foreigner in their own country.It's
disgusting and absolutely horrible, not because it is a
different language but because that we live in a traditionally
English speaking country but we are losing that and frankly, I'm
frightened.--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!278!721!Stephen.RubrightInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------
------Date: 8 Apr 92 22:11:20 GMTFrom:
gossip.pyramid.com!olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea!FredGate@dec
wrl.dec.comSubject: automatic control (was: Help 2nd try tcpip
ka9q problem)To: [e-mail] is no doubt a very
contentious problem...but I completely disagree withthe concept
of not having an amateur responsible for their
transmissions.Personal responsibility goes to the heart of the
amateur radio hobby. It mayvery well be that PBBS' will have to
undergo a drastic change in thefuture...however, that seems to
me a better route than approaching the FCC withthe idea of
relieving certain stations of any responsiblity for their
actions.This experiment has already been done on 11 meters, and
the result is one whichthe FCC would probably rather not
repeat.Even the phone boards have restrictions on content, why
should the PBBS' be anydifferent? If you want to run a PBBS,
then you have to be aware of the currentregulations covering
unattended forwarding, and be willing to abide by them.  pat
nq7m * Origin: Radio Therapy BBS * 509.534.7924 *
(1:346/3)------------------------------Date: 8 Apr 92 18:27:56
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!uc.msc.edu!apctrc!nap.
amoco.com![e-mail]: Baudot TTY wantedTo:
[e-mail] to pollute this group slightly.  But
I thought that maybe someonehere might be able to help me.  I am
looking for a Baudot terminal sothat I can talk to my deaf
friend without using a relay service.  Idon't want to spend the
several hundred $'s to buy either a new TDD ora Baudot operable
modem.  I had the idea that TTY's used to use Baudot.  Is this
correct?  If these,would be compatible does anyone know where I
might look in the Chicagoarea for an old surplus Baudot TTY. (I
have a good understanding ontoday's modems but other than
knowing that the deaf's TTD's use differentfrequencies and a
different encoding technique (Baudot instead of ASCII), Idon't
know much about the older equipment.David
N5HPO============================================================
=============David L. Hanson       Internet -->
[e-mail] Corporation     X.400    -->
A=attmail,P=amoco,S=Hanson,G=David,I=LPO Box 3011, MC B-1
Phone    --> [phone]Naperville, IL 60566Any opinions
expressed are my own!   "More security = less
security"========================================================
==================------------------------------Date: 8 Apr 92
17:42:14 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!ucsu![e-mail]
D.EDUSubject: Bicycling parts, acces. for saleTo:
[e-mail] need to sell the following bicycling
equipment because the end of the semester is rolling around and
I need the money in a bad way.I have the following stuff for
sale:Condition:[5 unused; 3 good; 1 abused/used]  5    DT-Swiss
spokes:    DT-Champion 14 gauge straight                89 spokes & 83 nipples
4    Rema            Clincher Patch Tube kit  4                Tube Patch kit
4/5    Specialized        Turbo R 700c x 25 Clinchers (2x)                (one has
been used, the other one is new)  5                700c tubes
2    Spenco            Biosoft riding gloves                (They're in good condition,
just dirty)  4    Shimano            Dura-Ace front derailleur
5    Araya            Prostaff rims: 340g; 700c Tube; 32 hole (x2)  4    Rhode
Gear        Tool pod  3    Park            Crank Arm Extractor  4                Crank Bolt
Wrench (14,15,16)  3                Cone Wrenches (13,14,15)  3                Spoke
Wrenches (Red, Green)  3    Cyclo            Chain Rivet Extractor
3    Sugino            Bottom Bracket Tool SetI also have several jerseys,
biking shorts, lycra leg warmers, a body suit, 3cables, and some
other tools that I'll throw in if someone buys the packageand if
it is a fair, serious price.  I priced everything with the
latestPerformance and Nashbar catalogs.  It came out to over
$200, make a reasonableoffer and the hole mess is yours.  I'll
pay for the shipping if you buy theentire package, otherwise
it's negotiable.Please reply to [e-mail]
[e-mail]@tramp.colorado.edu----------
--------------------Date: 8 Apr 92 17:43:06 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!ucsu![e-mail]
USubject: Bicycling parts, acces. for saleTo:
[e-mail] need to sell the following bicycling
equipment because the end of the semester is rolling around and
I need the money in a bad way.I have the following stuff for
sale:Condition:[5 unused; 3 good; 1 abused/used]  5    DT-Swiss
spokes:    DT-Champion 14 gauge straight                89 spokes & 83 nipples
4    Rema            Clincher Patch Tube kit  4                Tube Patch kit
4/5    Specialized        Turbo R 700c x 25 Clinchers (2x)                (one has
been used, the other one is new)  5                700c tubes
2    Spenco            Biosoft riding gloves                (They're in good condition,
just dirty)  4    Shimano            Dura-Ace front derailleur
5    Araya            Prostaff rims: 340g; 700c Tube; 32 hole (x2)  4    Rhode
Gear        Tool pod  3    Park            Crank Arm Extractor  4                Crank Bolt
Wrench (14,15,16)  3                Cone Wrenches (13,14,15)  3                Spoke
Wrenches (Red, Green)  3    Cyclo            Chain Rivet Extractor
3    Sugino            Bottom Bracket Tool SetI also have several jerseys,
biking shorts, lycra leg warmers, a body suit, 3cables, and some
other tools that I'll throw in if someone buys the packageand if
it is a fair, serious price.  I priced everything with the
latestPerformance and Nashbar catalogs.  It came out to over
$200, make a reasonableoffer and the hole mess is yours.  I'll
pay for the shipping if you buy theentire package, otherwise
it's negotiable.Please reply to [e-mail]
[e-mail]@tramp.colorado.edu----------
--------------------Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:59:01 GMTFrom:
nsisrv!news2![e-mail]: Chinese Nationals Came
Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.To: [e-mail]
article
<[e-mail]>[e-mail]
iana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:   Senate Immigration and Refugee
Committee has passed a bill   regarding Chinese nationals who
came before 4/1/90. It allows   the Chinese under President's
executive order to have green   card starting 7/1/93. The bill
has been passed in the senate   committee without objection.
This bill was initiated by   Democrat senate Kennedy.   This
bill will become effective if President Bush cannot   provide
evidence that these Chinese nationals will not be   persecuted
upon returning to their motherland.   Chinese nationals who are
eligible to apply green card must   (1). In the United States
since 4/1/90 and have stayed since then;   (2). Have not stayed
in China for more than 90 days during the time;   (3). Must
apply the greencard between 7/1/93-12/31/93.   An estimated
40,000 to 80,000 people will benefit from this bill.   CND:
Please comfirm my news.   Xiao LiI have only one comment and one
feeling about this move by Congress .. OOOO  UU  UU TTTTTT  SSSS
 TTTTTT   AA    NN   NN DDDDD  II NN   NN  GGGG  OO  OO UU  UU
TT   SS  SS   TT    AAAA   NNN  NN DD  DD II NNN  NN GG  GGOO
OO UU  UU   TT    SS      TT   AA  AA  NNNN NN DD  DD II NNNN NN
GG     OO  OO UU  UU   TT      SS    TT   AAAAAA  NN NNNN DD  DD
II NN NNNN GG GGG OO  OO UU  UU   TT   SS  SS   TT  AA    AA NN
NNN DD  DD II NN  NNN GG  GG OOOO   UUUU    TT    SSSS    TT  AA
   AA NN   NN DDDDD  II NN   NN  GGGGThe jerkweeds on Capitol
Hill finally did something both sensible and principled, for a
change!  And Kennedy was behind it .. my mind boggles.  Now I'll
have to retire my Teddy Kennedy dart board.  :-)IF Bush gets in
the way of this, I will drop my intention of voting for him,
hold my nose, and vote for Clinton in November!  --Charles Roten
| Hughes-STX, Incorporated |   [e-mail]
     | 'Use the Source, Luke!'  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD
20706 |   301-513-7805 (w),  301-317-0872 (h)    |
Obi-Wan Stallman------------------------------Date: Mon, 06 Apr
92 20:39:36 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f127.n267.z1.fidonet.org!D
[e-mail]: ChorusTo:
[e-mail].. Just to let you know.. I just
completed All County Swing Choir last weekend and maybe be going
onto the NYSSMA Solo Festival--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!267!127!Dave.HansInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: Tue, 07 Apr 92 05:47:32 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!p0.f204.n701.z89.fidonet.o
rg![e-mail]: creationismTo:
[e-mail]> I have no interest in keeping this
topic going if only to provide  FT> a  GC> forum for poorly
informed fundamentalists. GC>  GC> George Cormie/Leduc, Alberta
FT> Lets hope that the user I lost doesn't feel that I'm
discriminating FT> against one side or the other - the sysops
and k12net council join  FT> (I'm sure) in asking that adult
restraint is used to avoid the  FT> impulse for others to reply
to yours. FT>  FT> Take care, George, these threads are fatal to
hobbiest echos. FT>  FT>..............,...........
           [phone]  FT> (voice)  FT>  FT>  FT> --- ME2 FT>
* Origin:........... Peace Child - NorCal Spirit! [phone]
FT> (1:203/454)  * Tossed by SFToss v1.00 on 92/04/06  05:04:12
Thanks for the message - dialogue is more constructive than
monologue or  ignorance.  While I was teaching biology I always
encouraged discussion  in all areas. Understanding and respect
of opinions is important but the  basis of scientific enquiry
and the nature of science is also important.   . The STS
component (science/technology/society) of teaching science is
essential if the science taught is to be relevant to the
learner.--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!89!701!204.0!George.CormieInternet:
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-------Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 09:09:18 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f400.n348.z1.fidonet.org!M
[e-mail]: Creation Vs EvolutionTo:
[e-mail] got to a Jewish School here in Winnipeg
Manitoba...We Say that  there IS A GOD and that he created the
earth......Yet I also believe that the world was created as
evolution...But that god also exists..I have a religious
approach as well as a Scientific approach...6Regardless of your
religion do you believe that the method of creation isruled
out?--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!348!400!Michael.GamerInternet:
[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 17:40:50 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f273.n353.z1.fidonet.org!J
[e-mail]: dTo: [e-mail]
       -end---  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!353!273!Josev.BiggarInternet:
[e-mail]----------------------------
--Date: 8 Apr 92 06:46:56 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!tdkt!FredGate@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: Dr4-10To: [e-mail]
about the DR4-10 and linears, Kantronics claimsthat there 2 in
30 out amp for the old DVR2-2 onlyadds 5-10 ms to the TXDELAY...
 * Origin: HAM>link< RBBS 612/HAM-0000 Saint Paul, MN
(K0TG)(1:282/100.0)------------------------------Date: Sun, 05
Apr 92 09:11:38 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f400.n348.z1.fidonet.org!M
[e-mail]: ElectroplatingTo:
[e-mail] electroplating, Using Zinc Sulfate
and a Dc power Source of 13.8 v at 3amps why is the fuse
constantly blowing?????Help Anyone?--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!348!400!Michael.GamerInternet:
[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 22:51:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f615.n260.z1.fidonet.org!A
[e-mail]: Future of Music EducationTo:
[e-mail] first of all, thanks for your letter.
It must be nice to have cooperative coaches.  Up until this
year, it was a big deal to work anything (practices, etc.) with
the coaches.  Finally, some of the kids decided that since they
weren't playing in the games much, why bother with sports, and
threatened to quit.  This made many of us music majors happy.
Suddenly, certain coaches COULD make different times for
practices... It was amazing.  As far as a "poor" district, I
don't think ours is.  Sure, we've had cut-backs, but not as bad
as some places.  No music programs have been cut.  Perhaps the
number of requisitions accepted has dropped, but all in all,
we're OK.  I know what you mean about new instruments for kids
to play and the cost involved.  Two years ago, I purchased a new
Sax (Yamaha YAS 62 if that means anything to you!) and spent
well near $2,000 dollars!  Of course this was (cough) a little
better than a beginner, but still.... Marching Band in Marion,
Ny (where I'm from)  WAS a big thing, 6 or 8 years ago.  Now,
kids don't show any intrest or enthusiasm (myself included.) .
I find it to be the worst part of band.  Where are you from?
Perhaps we've competed.!! This year our BANDSS are going to W.
Virginia for the Strawberry Festival...There are some problems,
that I'll explain later...Time's up!-+ajs+---  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!260!615!Andrew.StokerInternet:
[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:53:24 PDTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!darwin.sura.net!paladin.americ
an.edu!auvm!UUNET.UU.NET!ESRI!ADRIATIC![e-mail]
t: GIS SoftwareTo: [e-mail] Case writes:> For
instance, in the system I use, while it does not>have the
ability to create buffers, it does have the ability to
perform>radius searches of attribute data, in which a logical
operation is performed>following overlay of a circle of defined
radius.  This results in the selection>of the records which fall
within the radius.  I do not know of other types>of analytical
tools which can perform this function.  The spatial
relationships>are critical to this analysis.  Isn't that what
GIS is all about???What you have described is a spatial
selection.  This is one componentof a GIS. For example, select
all the houses within 1000 meters ofa hazardous waste route. BUT
this is not the same as a spatial buffer.Notice that in the
selection, you can only select existing entitiesi.e. houses.Lets
pose another question: select all the landuse areas within
1000meters of a hazardous waste route and then list all the
differentlanduses and tally the area of each differenet landuse.
 This cannotbe accomplished by a spatial selection.  In this
case, the resultingset will include portions of existing landuse
polygons.  These aregenerally computed by buffering the
hazardous route to 1000 metersand buffering it with the landuse
polygon data.I do not agree with Jim (and Steven S. Yoon) in
that a display andquery system should be called a GIS. It is a
display and query system.I think it is the same distinction
between a file system and a relationaldatabase. No one would
want to call a file system a relational databasejust because the
file system could do some of the things a relationaldatabase
also does. Its a file system.  There is nothing wrong inusing a
file system if it does all the things a user wants to do.it is
still a file system. Ditto for GIS.There are a number of
introductry text books on GIS and they allhave definations of a
GIS.  Why not use one of those definationsto define the minimal
capabilities of a GIS, rather than speculatingon differnt levels
of GIS.Jay
Sandhuemail:[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
Tue, 07 Apr 92 19:51:04 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org!Lau
[e-mail]: Global Ed. And TechnologyTo:
[e-mail]'m sure you've already heard this one, but
here it is anyway! The advent of the multimedia PC has brought a
new dimension to education in the workplace -- training costs
have been cut dramatically, and I'm willing to bet that it could
make education more effective. After all, would an 8th grader
rather stare at a textbook, or a computer streaming pictures and
sound? Multimedia has the potential to redefine the field, once
the cost (no more than $3000 per system) and the lack of
appropriate CD-ROM titles are addressed.  --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!345!6!Laurence.AkiyamaInternet:
[e-mail]--------------------------
----Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 13:54:36 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f70.n359.z1.fidonet.org!Gl
[e-mail]: HelloTo: [e-mail]
          Well Happy late Birthday.   Well I have to wait four
more years before I can get my learners permit (Lucky me).  Well
I am as stiff as a... Well I'll put it this way, I can't move!!!
Well Gotta go now, Glenda.--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!359!70!Glenda.ModahlInternet:
[e-mail]----------------------------
--Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 13:49:36 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f70.n359.z1.fidonet.org!Gl
[e-mail]: HelloTo: [e-mail]
         Hi, well happy late birthday then... Well you are
lucky, I have to wait another four years to get my learners
permit. ( Lucky me). Well my life, pretty horibble, I'm as stiff
as a.... Well I can barelly move!!  Well gotta go now. Glenda--
uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!359!70!Glenda.ModahlInternet:
[e-mail]----------------------------
--Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 13:46:20 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f70.n359.z1.fidonet.org!Gl
[e-mail]: HelloTo: [e-mail]
        Hello Josh, Well some of my hobbies are playing the
piano, playing vollyball, baseball, swimming and I also kinda
like to play on the computer.  My favorite kind of misic is rap,
the blues, rock and that is about it.  Well talk to ya later.
Glenda--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!359!70!Glenda.ModahlInternet:
[e-mail]----------------------------
--Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 13:57:06 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f70.n359.z1.fidonet.org!Gl
[e-mail]: HelloTo: [e-mail]
           Hi, Maybe it's a little early but Happy birthday!!!!
Well I play the piano, I like playing vollyball, baseball,
swimming and thats about it.  Well ummmmmmmmmmmm welllllllllll I
live in Dawson Creek B.C. (If I haven't told you that yet).
............. Ummmmmmm Welllll Were do you live? (You probably
told me allready but I probably forgot......)........Well Gotta
go now......Glenda--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!359!70!Glenda.ModahlInternet:
[e-mail]----------------------------
--Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 10:47:11 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle![e-mail]
Subject: hello?To: [e-mail]
                                                 Hello Brian!
How are you? I'm OK besides being VERY sick. I'mnot to fond of
being sick. Sometimes I'm way too tired toturn on my computer,
so sometimes it takes me a while to writeback. Tell me about
yourself. What do you look like? What do you liketo do? What
kind of music do you like?Well, I'm 5'1", I've got light brown
hair, and hazel eyes. Iplay in my high school's marching band (I
play mallet instru-ments), I play keyboard, I'm learning how to
play guitar, Ilove to listen to music. I also love to write
short storiesand poems, and draw.I like all kinds of music, but
mostly I listen to hard rock,classic rock, and
alternative(progressive) rock.My main goal right now is to make
lots of friends before I diefrom this annoying illness of mine,
so if you want to be my"computer buddy", write back A.S.A.P.

      Brandy * Origin:........... Peace Child - NorCal K-12Net
[phone] (1:203/454)--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!Brandy.LaaksoInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Dat
e: Sat, 04 Apr 92 23:15:46 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!p0.f0.n324.z1.fidonet.org!
[e-mail]: helpTo: [e-mail]
KIM, I think i used to write to you but you stoped answering my
letters.  Just incase you dont remember Im from Danvers Ma.  I
love all kinds of music and just hangin out.  What do you like
to do for fun?  What grade are you in? Im a junior.I gotta go -
Write Back Soon    --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!324!0.0!Aj.CapeceInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:05:18 GMTFrom:
gossip.pyramid.com!olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea!FredGate@dec
wrl.dec.comSubject: Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problemTo:
[e-mail] believe that FCC regulations allow the
use of any digital code above 50 mhz,except for unattended
traffic forwarding, and subject to appropriate
sub-bandrestrictions. There are bandwidth requirements, and a
code description must bemaintained in the station log. pat  nq7m
* Origin: Radio Therapy BBS * 509.534.7924 *
(1:346/3)------------------------------Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92
07:53:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f680.n260.z1.fidonet.org!K
[e-mail]: HEY...
To: [e-mail] I like Don McLean.  We have the
album with American Pie on it and when I was in 8th grade I
memorized the whole song.(I am in 10th now)  What other music do
you like?  Write back.                               *Kerrie*--
uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!260!680!Kerrie.SlominskiInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------
------Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 10:04:27 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!p0.f273.n353.z1.fidonet.or
g![e-mail]: HHHHHHAAAAAALOOOOOOOTo:
[e-mail]
                                     H   H       AAA      L
  L         OOOOO    OOOOO    !!                    H   H      A
  A     L        L        O     O  O     O   !!   HHHHH
AAAAAAA    L        L        O     O  O     O   !!  H   H     A
   A    L        L        O     O  O     O                     H
  H     A     A    LLLLLL   LLLLLLL   OOOOO    OOOOO    !!
               -Mark          --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!353!273.0!Mark.BiggarInternet:
[e-mail]--------------------------
----Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 05:50:02 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!p0.f204.n701.z89.fidonet.o
rg![e-mail]: HiTo:
[e-mail]> Hi how's it going?  I moved to Calgary
and I was wondering the local  NP> BBS's and to my surprise I
saw your name.  Wow you really get around! NP>   NP>
                Neil Pearson NP>  NP> --- Maximus 2.00 NP> *
Origin: Calgary Message-Line [K-12] 403-244-4724 VHST AB,CANADA
NP> (1:134/66)  * Tossed by SFToss v1.00 on 92/04/07  04:46:29
I am pleased to see one of my students came back to haunt me ..
are you  going to university or? - leave me a message in the SR
CHAT echo and  update me.--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!89!701!204.0!George.CormieInternet:
[e-mail]-----------------------
-------Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 21:22:18 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org!Ew.
[e-mail]: Internat.wpk ReplyTo:
[e-mail]'t heard further from you.  Was I
supposed to do something else?  I gave you my address?   1583
Ulupuni Street, Kailua, HI 96734.Hope to hear from you.  thanks
for the first reply --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!345!6!Ew.SmithInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date
: Wed, 8 Apr 92 18:01:54 GMTFrom:
nsisrv!kong![e-mail]: Is ISC X2.0 based on
X386?To: [e-mail]'ve built X386 under ISC 3.0 and
have discovered that X386 candrive my 17" IDEK monitor at
1152x900 resolution -- I love it!!I also have ISC X2.0 which
drives my monitor at only 1024x768.I notice in /usr/lib/X11
there is an Xconfig file, just like you get with X386.  Is this
acoincidence, or is ISC X2.0 based on X386?  If yes, howcan I
adjust my resolution for X2.0??Thanks in
advance.Roger------------------------------Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92
20:55:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f240.n353.z1.fidonet.org!J
[e-mail]: LATE READINGTo:
[e-mail];I missed your post regarding the
Creation/Evolution discussion.  Icaught the tail end of someone
responding to your mention of the mattertoo late.  I sent a
reply regarding the matter to someone this morning.I assume from
the quote I caught that you want the matter dropped.However, if
science teachers are finding it difficult to deal
with'creationist' parents who want equal time, or parents who
don't want'evolution' taught to their children, could this not
be a good place tofind alternative answers?LH>ModeratorYou have
my sympathies ;-)Jim... ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!353!240!JIM.DIXONInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: Wed, 08 Apr 92 05:41:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org!Lo
[e-mail]: LATE READINGTo:
[e-mail] > JDtoo late.  I sent a reply regarding
the matter to someone JDthis > morning. > JDI assume from the
quote I caught that you want the matter > JDdropped. >
JDHowever, if science teachers are finding it difficult to >
JDdeal with > JD'creationist' parents who want equal time, or
parents who > JDdon't want > JD'evolution' taught to their
children, could this not be a > JDgood place to find alternative
answers?What happened is that this debate what taking over the
echo and it was difficult for a reader to find much else on the
echo.  Since the creation point of view does not follow
scientific methods of investigation but rather is a
philosophical or religious position, it is difficult to have any
sort ofreasonable discussion.  Just as in relativity, different
observers come up with different conclusions based on their
frame of reference.  Unfortunately,the creation/evolution debate
cannot be straightned out as the apparent conflict can with
relativity theory.Some of the prior comments bordered on FLAMING
and it was thought that the "discussion" should end on March 31.
 Contrary to views of some readers of this echo, it was not done
because of religious pressure or anything else connected with
religion.  Nor are we opposed to freedom of speech.  There
areFidoNet echoes where such debates are welcome and we highly
encourage those interested in continuing to move to those
echoes.  I hope I have answered your questions.LH --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!32!Lowell.HerrInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------
Date: 8 Apr 1992 09:23:44 -0700From:
[e-mail]: List of 4800 baud and 9600
baud capable radios needed.To: [e-mail]   I just
found out that it is possible to run 4800 baud on VHF.
Doesanyone have a list of radios that are capable of being
modified to useeither 4800 baud or 9600 baud packet modems?  For
example, can an ICOMIC-2AT, Alinco DR-112, or a Kenwood TM-221-a
be modified?  If so, whatneeds to be done?  It would be nice if
there was a file that containedwhat radios could be modified to
use the high speed modems, and whatsteps were needed to do the
modification.73's  de  Jack - kf5mgAX25net         -
kf5mg@kf5mg.#dfw.tx.usa.na - [phone]AMPRnet         -
[e-mail]       - 44.28.0.14Internet        -
[e-mail] -or-
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Mon,
06 Apr 92 10:15:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f5.n394.z1.fidonet.org!Cic
[e-mail]: looking for a friendTo:
[e-mail]     Hi!  Well I'm looking for someone to
write me!  I live in Hammond, Louisiana, and I'm a junior at
Hammond High School.  I'm a normal 16 year old (I think so) and
I love sports and to have fun.I also usually have a lot to chat
about.  Well I gotta go, so plase write me!--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!394!5!Cicely.HarrisonInternet:
[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: 8 Apr 92 17:41:51 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!ucsu!spot.Colorado.EDU!
[e-mail]: Mac Programmer/FORTRAN/Unix Job,
COTo: [e-mail] (Professional Research
Assistant) to develop Macintosh 4th Dimension database,
maintain, update, and run FORTRAN programs, and manage small
Macintosh network for ecology laboratory.  Knowledge of
Macintosh, UNIX, FORTRAN, and relational databases essential.
Experience with UNIX systems administration, geographic
information systems, particularly ARC/INFO, and remote sensing a
plus.  Must be flexible and interested in working in
multi-system environment with non-expert users.  Minimum
requirement BA in computer science or related field, or MA in
ecology, geology, or geography with appropriate experience.
$25-28,000/year + benefits package.  Send resume, including
names and addresses of three references, to Marilyn Walker,
INSTAAR, Campus Box 450, Boulder, CO, 80309-0450, or
[e-mail].  Closing date for applications
4/21/92.------------------------------Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92
21:19:54 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f400.n348.z1.fidonet.org!M
[e-mail]: MailTo:
[e-mail] as I am A quite bored person...
Somebody write me a message... Thanx!!!!What a dull place
this...uh... Winnipeg place is..Sucks compared to L.A.]~Michael
Gamer~^--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!348!400!Michael.GamerInternet:
[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 19:30:16 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org!Lau
[e-mail]: Miss SaigonTo:
[e-mail], wrong subject. I've been to NYC once,
and i don't remember much about it (I was really young), but I'd
like to go back again. What's it like over there, anyway? Living
over here, it's practically like living on another planet! --
uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!345!6!Laurence.AkiyamaInternet:
[e-mail]--------------------------
----Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 17:45:08 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f273.n353.z1.fidonet.org!J
[e-mail]: No more "Trademarks" for
me...To: [e-mail]        Hi everybody, from today
I'm not puting any more trademarkes under myname because
everybody i nmy whole school is doing it too and some of them
arethe STUPIDEST ones I've ever seen (That are in my school).
                                    Joe Blow!--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!353!273!Josev.BiggarInternet:
[e-mail]----------------------------
--Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 20:37:19 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f127.n267.z1.fidonet.org!D
[e-mail]: Other Music!To:
[e-mail]     I sing.. I've made All County Chorus 4
times in 3 years and hope to go to The NYSSMA Solo
Festival(Graded)     Yes.. I somewhat like Classical..--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!267!127!Dave.HansInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: 9 Apr 92 02:03:04 GMTFrom:
ogicse!willamette.edu![e-mail]: packratt
interface info. neededTo: [e-mail] am doing a
project and am looking for source code to interface my pcto a
terminal node controller.  any information would be
GREATLYappreciated.  thanks in advance,jack
([e-mail])*** my only regret is that the fcc has
not got my new license back to     me so i don't have a call
sign yet.         ------------------------------Date: Tue, 07
Apr 92 09:03:14 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f152.n321.z1.fidonet.org!D
[e-mail]: penpalTo:
[e-mail]?? De donde en Argentina?Yo vivi en
Rosario, en la provincia de Santa Fe, hace muchosa^nos.!! Que'
gracia de pasar a otro continente y seguir viendo acruz del sur
en el cielo!Saludos,    Dave--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!321!152!David.CresseyInternet:
[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 12:25:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f5.n394.z1.fidonet.org!Rac
[e-mail]: PenpalsTo:
[e-mail]! Hello! My name is Rachel and I am
looking for a penpal to write to me in Spanish.I am currently a
freshman at Hammond High.I am taking my first year of
Spanish,but I can speak it very well.So if you are looking for a
penpal like me PLEASE WRITE TO ME!!THANKS[A[--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!394!5!Rachel.PauliInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 21:24:36 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org!Ew.
[e-mail]: Pen Pals ReplyTo:
[e-mail] I am passing on your message to our
school computer coordinator, but as we just moved to a new
campus last week there are some moving pains and delays of all
kinds.  If you don't hear from anyone soon, leave me another
message and I will follow up.That's Haoles, by the way, but you
were close enough to make me wonder where you picked that up.
You're not old enough for the Elvis Presley movie Blue Hawaii,
after all.Aloha  --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!345!6!Ew.SmithInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date
: Tue, 07 Apr 92 19:39:39 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org!Lau
[e-mail]: PoemTo:
[e-mail]'s a haiku that, to date, very few have
understood...se if you can figure this one out!!
      Lonely Night, Beautiful Light
Creature of empty                        darkness sees lovely
angel;                            He flees in despair. --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!345!6!Laurence.AkiyamaInternet:
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----Date: Tue, 31 Mar 92 11:31:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f3.n31911.z1.fidonet.org!R
[e-mail]: POLITICSTo:
[e-mail]'ve got to tell you, i'm from Texas and I
don't know what Perot's motives are. He's done some very
altruistic deeds, but he has butted into the Texas educational
system.  He's sent agents to So.East asia looking for POW's and
also has tried to talk Texas into turning out "corporate robots"
with solo science, business, or math backgrounds.  He's not much
for the Rennaisance Man.  Specialization seems to be his
solution. Like I said, Stephen, I don't know yet. To tell you
the truth, I haven't heard much about Perot's momotiv, policies,
or platform. I wonder if he is just bored being rich? One thing
I do know, I could help him spend his money!! He could really
split the Republicans badly. What do you think??  Roly Borden--
uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!31911!3!Roly.BordenInternet:
[e-mail]-----------------------------
-Date: 7 Apr 92 23:05:40 EDTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!xenitec!lemsys!clemon@ne
twork.UCSD.EDUSubject: Poor Man's packet & modemTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Andrew Payne) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Michael Solinas) writes:>>Can
a standard modem be used with poor man's packet?  I have a zoom
>>external, and can purchase some used hayes modems (1200 baud)
for $15.  >>Can these be used with PMP?>>No.  In general most
telephone modems *cannot* be used for 1200 baud packet.>Most
UHF/VHF 1200 baud packet uses Bell 202, which is a half-duplex
FSK >protocol.  Some old, old modems implement this protocol but
you don't>find them around much anymore:  they usually get
thrown away.>        But if we do have a Bell 202(A?) compatible
modem, how might we goabout making a TNC out of them?  Is it
possible at all.  It seems that myold GVC 1200 had a command
'ath4' that was for special external connections(some
connotations towards radio were mentioned).  A relay clicked
insidethe modem but the phone was not taken off of the hook.--
Craig Lemon VE3XCL - Kitchener, Ontario. Amiga B2000  OS 2.04
UUCPv1.15D. [phone]    [phone]              |
Silly people!  We all [e-mail]
[e-mail]  | know that the Universe IP/Packet:
[e-mail] [44.135.84.51]| revolves around
UUNET!------------------------------Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92
15:05:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f242.n701.z89.fidonet.org!
[e-mail]: Quebec SeparationTo:
[e-mail] you very much Laurence for writing to
my debate.  Your contribution is greatly appreciated.--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!89!701!242!Tammy.BergstromInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------
------Date: 8 Apr 92 17:59:03 GMTFrom:
noiro.oac.uci.edu![e-mail]: Rock-a-Doodle
GIF's anybody?To: [e-mail]   Does anyone have (can
get, can scan in) Rock-a-Doodle GIF's, and put themup on tezuka?
 It would be
appreciated.*****************************************************
************************** The essential writer's .sig - By Avi
Melman    [e-mail] NitroCoon lives, The
Peacemakers are BACK, And Kyle's in a real JAM!!
      The Vektor BBS    /! /     ___
     [phone]   / !/ itro/__ oon 2386 - Creator & Author
    1200-38400 baud   "Don't worry, it's insured." -
NitroCoon********************************************************
***********************------------------------------Date: Wed,
8 Apr 1992 18:21:40 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cmerhar@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUSubject: Set Up HP 425t WorkstationTo:
[e-mail] just inherited some system administrator
tasks and need to set up a workstation (HP 9000-425t) with HP-UX
7.05. I began this setup following manuals and the system boots,
allows me to log on as superuser. I want toallow other users to
log on (already set up in SAM) and get xwindows running.Right
now, it is not networked but will be eventually. Can anyone step
methrough a logical set up sequence? I have the HP Sys Admin
Tasks manual, youcan just telll me where to go.Many thanks,Carl
MerharOhio State University"Redime te captum, quam queas
minimo."------------------------------Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92
14:24:43 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f254.n260.z1.fidonet.org!D
[e-mail]: SUSPIROS DE PRIMAVERATo:
[e-mail] fin ha llegado una semblanza de la
primavera. No tengo mucho tiempo para escribir hoy porque tengo
que recoger a mi hijita en la escuela en 10 minutos. Muchas
gracias por tu mensaje recien llegado. Espero que tu visita al
restaurante mejicano haya resultado un exito completo. No he
matado todavia a mis estudiantes de octavo. Al contrario acabo
de escuchar una presentacion por un profesor vermette de Niagara
U. ( por casualidad era un profesor de historia en el h.s. de mi
esposa en Lockport, N.Y.) acerca de aprendizaje cooperativo y
estoy mi animado para integrar algunas de sus ideas. Me tengo
que ir.                               Hasta luego,  david--
uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!260!254!David.MakepeaceInternet:
[e-mail]-------------------------
-----Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 09:33:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f690.n260.z1.fidonet.org!G
[e-mail]: The Wash???????To:
[e-mail] swear your address did go through the
wash, I wouldn't lie to you, I dont even know you!I'll write
soon, catch ya on the rebound!Peace always,Gina  --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!260!690!Gina.NurseInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 10:11:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f5.n394.z1.fidonet.org!Cic
[e-mail]: What's Up!To:
[e-mail]     Hi!  I was reading the messages,
looking for someone new to write and I saw your letter.  You
seem to be a interesting person. I hope I wont(sorry) I hope I
won't be dissapointed.  Well anyway, I am also a Junior at
Hammond High School in Hammond, Lousiana. I love sports,
espically basketball.  Tell me about your music group.  My
connection to misuc is listening to it and dancing to it.
Besides that, I get involvedin just about everything.  So,
what's it like living in California?  Hammond, Louisiana is
boring.  My school is nice, but there is alway room for
improvement.  I can't think of anything else to type, besides I
think I've said enough.   So, If you can WRITE BACK!!!!!!!!See
Ya!!!!! Cicely--  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!394!5!Cicely.HarrisonInternet:
[e-mail]---------------------------
---Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 20:21:00 PSTFrom:
iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!m2xenix!puddle!f5.n394.z1.fidonet.org!Pat
[e-mail]: Where is PonchatoulaTo:
[e-mail]>Patrick,MB>          Hi!  Where exactly
is Ponchatoula, Louisiana.  I was born in New  >Orleans and
lived there until a couple of years ago.  Most of my family live
 >there.  Is Ponchatoula around New Orleans?  I like to spend
time with my  >friends and read in my spare time.  I really
don't have time to do anything  >else.  So, how is your life?
What are some of your hobbies?  Write back and  >let me
know.Michele Ponchatoula is just north of New Orleans. Across
LakePonchatrain.  We are about to have our Strawberry Festival
nextweekend(4-10/4-12). If you now of a town called Hammond we
are quitenear to that town.  Some of my hobbies include reading,
spending timewith my friends, hiking, biking, and working on the
computer. Life ispretty good right now. I am about to start
going out with a girl whom Ihave known for nine years, and some
of my friends have started a bettingpool to see whether or not
we get married. Pretty interesting huh?Write back and tell me
where in New Orleans you family lives, because Ihave some
friends there who may know them. Don't forget to write back. *
SLMR 2.0 * --  uucp:
uunet!m2xenix!puddle!394!5!Patrick.EhrensingInternet:
[e-mail]-------------------------
-----Date: 8 Apr 92 17:58:39 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!doug.cae.
wisc.edu![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Non-destructive
repartitioning (was Re: What is linux?)In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Adam
Justin Thornton) writes:>Using pfdisk, it's actually not that
bad.  Use a disk optimizer to put all your>stuff on the front of
the disk.  Use pfdisk to create your partitions, making >sure
that the DOS partition is bigger than all the stuff you now have
in it.>If it's your boot partition, use Norton or something to
edit the boot record so>that the whole filesystem believes it's
the right size.>>Then boot from linux and mkfs on your new
partition(s).  No problem.>>Adam>Hi everyone,I think this
non-destructive partitioning is the route I want to take.
I'vedone most things up to the point of running pfdisk and I
feel fairly confidentof what I'm doing but there's one thing
that's hanging me up. I guess this iskind of a DOS question but
there's probably more repartitioning going on herethan the
average DOS newsgroup.I'm running DOS 5.0 and Norton for DOS 5.0
and the Norton optimizer reports thevery last few clusters of
the hard disk as being unmovable and owned by a filecalled
'image.idx'. I believe this has something to do with an extra
copy ofthe DOS 5.0 boot image. The question is, does DOS
absolutely need this file inthat particular location, or might
it possibly create a new image in the lastfew clusters of a new
partion? If not, can this file be moved and how?I've got an
extra 40meg free on my hard drive that's got Linux written
allover it. Thanks! --
-----------------------------------------------------------------
------------Anthony [e-mail]
     "Building stereotypes
        for the 90's"------------------------------Date: 8 Apr
92 18:05:32 GMTFrom:
charon.amdahl.com!amdahl![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] : Re: capturing caller id
[e-mail] (John Gilbert) writes:}In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:}>John, don't you ever get tired of beating your head
against this same wall?}>I answered the above question for you
the last time this went around.  You}>didn't really listen to my
answer then, and I don't see you really listening}>now,
either.}Wellll... I think this is a case of you giving an answer
to a slightly}different question than I asked, and then assuming
your answer was so}satisfactory I should just declare you
right.Ah, this then could be the source of our problem.  You
see, to me, thisis simply not an issue of "right" or "wrong".
The question is one ofpersonal preference.  When a person wants
something, he can't be "right"or "wrong" about it, because it's
just what he wants.  If what you wantis different from what I
want, neither of us can be "right" or "wrong",we are just
different.All I've ever tried to do on this subject is to tell
you that what I wantis different from what you want.  I've never
expected you to "declare meright", I've only asked you to
acknowledge that I want something differentthan what you want,
and that CID might just possibly fill my needs betterthan
answering machines and/or secret codes.  If you have had the
attitude that one of us must be "right", then it's no wonder
that we just keep going round and round.--James
Preston------------------------------Date: 8 Apr 92 18:03:40
GMTFrom:
noiro.oac.uci.edu!miami.acs.uci.edu![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: CUBA/SPAINIn article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:>En <[e-mail]> Oscar Frias
escribe>>c)   Sendero es totalmente diferente de Fidel, SEndero
es trafico de droga, >Sendero es salvajismo (o abrirte la guata
y llenarla de excremento tiene >paralelo civilizado), Sendero es
destruccion, Sendero es "estado de locura >NUnca compare usted
Sendero con otros diferentes , Sendero es solo comparable a >los
Kmher Roughe y Pol Pot a Gonzalo. YO NO QUIERO VER REPETIDA LA
MACABRA >ESCENA DE UNA QUEBRADA LLENA DE CALAVERAS, por eso
Sendero tiene que ser >detenido AHORA, no dentro de una
decada.>>Muy diferente no:>>1) Fidel trafico' drogas y en Cuba
la pequen~a burguesia usa y vende drogas.>2) Fidel es
salvajismo: recuerda: "dentro de la revoulcion: todo, afuera de
la >revolucion, nada.>3) Fidel es destruccion.  Todo aquel que
se le opone queda encarcelado para >siempre o fusilado como
"gusano".>4) Fidel es estado de locura: "Socialismo o muerte!"
[fijate que no dice >"!Capistalismo a la Oscar Frias o
muerte!">5) Entre un genocida y un estalinista hay muy poca
diferencia.  El estalinista >solo es genocida cuando no le queda
mas remedio.  El polpotiano lo es por >principio, asi que la
analogia del cartel  haciendo negocios con Sendero es muy
>parecida a la del Vasco haciendo negocios con Fidel.  Despues
de todo en el >laissez faire la droga tambien es una ventaja
comercial del Peru.  El >intercambio de pasta basica de cocaina
es beneficioso para Sendero. "Es decir >aprovechar su alto grado
de produccion de coca, su posicion relativa en >produccion de
cocaina respecto a otros paises tercermundistas, su tecnologia
de >cultivo y procesamiento de coca y derivados y en fin todo en
lo que es mejor >que otros. Hoy este intercambio se tiene que
hacer "a la de verdad".>>Edelmir  Yo creo que la analogia que
hace Edelmiro entre el regimen de Castro  y Sendero Luminoso es
valida y muy clara. No hay mucha diferencia   entre los dos
extremistas.   Tambien la analogia que dio' Jorge Luis Romeu
comparando el comercio  entre los espan~oles y Castro y el
posible comercio con Sendero es  valida, EMHO!   La unica
diferencia es que Castro es un jefe de estado con muchas
credenciales y estadisticas "fabricadas" y Sendero no ha tenido
la  oportunidad de demostrar sus "buenas" int enci

ones todavia. Si  desgraciadamente algun dia toman el poder ya
veran como todos  los "intelectuales" alrededor del mundo los
apoyan y justifican sus  crimenes enumerando las mejoras que
hacen en el Peru como reduccion  del analfabetismo y la salud
del pueblo!!--Ray I. Ravelo                 "There's a surefire
way to double your money;Office of Academic Computing.  fold it
in half and put in your pocket".UC, Irvine.
------------------------------Date: 8 Apr 92 18:11:00 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!zeus.tamu.edu![e-mail]
: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Rush Rap (was Re:
rush trivia tidbits)In article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
writes...>If I had to guess, I'd say that it was Neil Peart.>
>Chris.My guess was Rupert Hine.  If you listen to the "Better
off Dead" soundtrack, which he produced, you can hear him
sing...and it sounds a lot like the
rap.=============================================================
============= \ Steven Fennell - Graduate Student \ "She asked
for my love, and I gave \  \ [e-mail] - Texas A&M \
 her a dangerous mind." - D. Bowie \
=================================================================
=========------------------------------Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92
17:37:34 GMTFrom:
nsisrv!kong![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Surround
Sound on TV BroadcastsIn article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (robert.g.egan) writes:> > In article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (K. Khan)
writes:> > > > In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Gary Cattelino) writes:> > >I was watching
TV last night and noticed the message "Presented> > >in Dobly
Surround Sound" at the beginning of the program.> > > > Speaking
of Dolby Surround TV shows, did anyone watch "Mann and Machine">
> on NBC Sunday night? Methinks the recording engineer who did
Fantasia> > also works for this show. ;-)> I'm glad someone else
noticed and posted about M and M because I thought> my hardware
was going crazy. It had to be the worst example of TV Dolby>
Surround so far. But I think the tape master was SNAFUed not the
recording> engineer.Perhaps this was a local problem because I
thought "Mann and Machine"was one of the best broadcast surround
programs I've heard so far(except for "Northern
Exposure").------------------------------Date: 8 Apr 92 17:48:55
GMTFrom:
swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!uc.msc.edu!sha
mash!phoenix.udev.cdc.com![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>comReply-To :
[e-mail] (alex t stagg x4718)Subject : Re:
Seeking weird analog synthIn article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (DonaldP.
Maghrak) writes:|>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail](Peter Brooks) writes:|>>[ ...
]|>>|>Didn't Pete Towensend (sp?) of the Who use a VCS 3 on the
Who's Next album?|>He was also into those old analog sequencers.
 I think he used an analog |>sequencer with a VCS 3 on Won't Get
Fooled Again and Baba O'Reilly, and |>the VCS 3 on Bargain.
|>-feel free to correct info and spelling.I always thought that
he used an ARP 2500 or 2600 for those.But all I can remember
(hopefully somewhat accurately) is somepicture of him with a
2500 (and it may have been in an ARP newsletter).
Alex.------------------------------------------------------------
----A. T. (Alex) Stagg/ARH215      | INTERNET:
[e-mail] Data Corporation       |4201 Lexington
Ave.N.          | fax:      [phone]Arden Hills, MN USA
55126-6198 | Voice:
01-612-482-4718------------------------------Date: Wed, 8 Apr
1992 14:59:02 GMTFrom:
theory.TC.Cornell.EDU![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re:  Poor Man's packet &
modemIn article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Craig Lemon VE3XCL) writes: [... stuff about using modems for
VHF/UHF 1200 baud packet ...]>        But if we do have a Bell
202(A?) compatible modem, how might we go>about making a TNC out
of them?  Is it possible at all.  It seems that my>old GVC 1200
had a command 'ath4' that was for special external
connections>(some connotations towards radio were mentioned).  A
relay clicked inside>the modem but the phone was not taken off
of the hook.    Old Bell 202 modems can be used on packet.  In
fact, that's whatwas first used back in the "old days".  I've
not used any old telephone modems on packet, so I can only
speculate on how to go about converting one.  You have to figure
out:(a) how to hook up the radio(b) how to interface the modem
to the TNC or computer (might have to worry     about RS-232 or
TTL level conversions)(c) if your modem is a smart modem, you
have to figure out how to command it    into the 202 mode after
you've done (b)    After you've done all this work, you still just
have a modem (youneed a TNC).  Unless you have a garage full of
surplus modems, it's probably not worth the trouble.    If you can,
ignore 1200 baud packet and start at 9600 baud or faster.If you
must have 1200 baud, build a modem around TI's TCM3105 chip.
Its cheap,stable, low-power, needs only +5, and works very
well.-- =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =Andrew C. Payne, N8KEI        UUCP:
...!cornell!batcomputer!payne                          INTERNET:
 [e-mail]------------------------------Date: 8 Apr
92 18:00:13 GMTFrom:
noiro.oac.uci.edu!hepxvt.ps.uci.edu![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Worship of the
Greek godsIn article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Loren Miller) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Janis Maria Cortese) writes:>>I did not ask for what>>happened
to me and my family, and if I am "sensitive," that's just
too>>bad for the rest of you.  *I* bear the scars of what
happened to me, and>>if it's too much for *you* to bear, that's
just too damned bad.>>Go ahead, be proud of your scars. I hail
you for it. However, there is a I'm not proud of them.  I don't
want them.  I simply acknowledge them asa part of my history and
consequently having influenced my present.  BUtI don't have to
like them.Blessings,Janis------------------------------Date: 8
Apr 92 17:52:45 GMTFrom:
charon.amdahl.com!amdahl!JUTS!cerebus![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>>Subject : Re: Steven
BrustIn article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:>I WANT MORE BRUST!
Wish he could clone himself and work on two books at>once 8-).I
thought Brust *had* cloned himself. Why else would Jerry
Boyajian lookexactly like Brust?--
           Karen Williams
  [e-mail]"Don't whine. Warrior women
speak in a husky whisper."  -- Brat Pack
#3------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#94******************************Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:30:03
PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #95To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Fri,
10 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  95Today's Topics:
automatic control (was: Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problem)
             Beginner's Guide to TCP/IP
Call for GIGABITS                     Cheapest packet-capable
rig?                          Combined radio/TNC            FLEA
at MIT  Sunday April 19th    Cambridge MA
Help with KISS and a PK-232MBX              I'd like to learn
more about packet radio   printed circuit diagram or 2Mbps
datalink in 1991 ARRL handbook                     Repeaters
price/availability              Ripoff Radio? (WAS Re: Combined
radio/TNC)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 9 Apr 92 16:23:53 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!cs.tamu.edu![e-mail]
ct: automatic control (was: Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problem)To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Pat Dockrey) writes:|> This
is no doubt a very contentious problem...but I completely
disagree with|> the concept of not having an amateur responsible
for their transmissions.|> Personal responsibility goes to the
heart of the amateur radio hobby.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Exactly.  But that's why the FCC
*interpretation* should be changed.  Theone responsible for a
message is the originator, not the PBBS that forwards
themessage.  Store and forward censorship is almost doable; how
could youpossibly do things where the entire message was never
at your site at one time?|> Even the phone boards have
restrictions on content, why should the PBBS' be any|>
different?To my knowledge and based on experience, there are
*no* restrictions oncontent on a phone BBS (other than,
possibly, aiding and abetting a crime).There are certainly no
restrictions on commercial activity or
obscene/profanemessages.------------------------------Date: 10
Apr 92 06:12:50 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!csus.edu!ucdavis!madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu!ford@network
.UCSD.EDUSubject: Beginner's Guide to TCP/IPTo:
[e-mail] have written a document entitled
"Beginner's Guide to TCP/IP on theAmateur Packet Radio Network
Using the KA9Q Internet Software."Version 2.0 of the guide
documents the use of NOS 911229 (PA0GRI v2.0h)and BM v3.3.2.The
document is available in three forms by anonymous ftp
fromfilbert.eecs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.57.123] in the directory
pub/ka9q."nosbgnlp.zip" unzips to a 66 page ascii "line printer"
document,which can be printed with the UNIX lpr
command."nosbgnps.zip" unzips to a 54 page PostScript document,
which canbe printed on a PostScript printer."nosbgnpr.zip"
unzips to a 66 page ascii "print" document, whichcan be printed
using the DOS print command.  You will need to sendcontrol codes
to your printer to control the page offset and youshould turn
perforation skip off.I am unable to provide access to this
document in any way otherthan anonymous ftp.  Those of you who
do make it available inother ways (on a BBS for example), please
let me know and I canpass this information on to those who
inquire.Comments and suggestions for change to the document are
welcome.    Gary Ford, N6GF------------------------------Date: 9
Apr 1992 12:06:29 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Call for GIGABITSTo: [e-mail]:David Sweigert
c/oBoeing Aerospace OperationsM/S   FA-71Kennedy Space Center,
Florida 32899407-867-4848To:Robert E. Kahn, Corporation for
National Research InitiativesPhillip Gross, Advanced Network and
Services, Inc.Lawerence Landweber, University of WisconsinBernd
Bruegge, Carnegie Mellon UniversityRef:GIGABIT Testbed
ActivityBackground:  On pages 10-13, March 1992 issue of IEEE
Network Magazine, there wasa very interesting article entitled
"Where are we with Gigabits".  Thisguest editorial referred to
all of the gentlemen mentioned above.Kennedy Activity:  The KSC
is interested in exploring GIGABIT architectures.  In fact,a
small embryonic project has been funded to establish a
"test-bed"of sorts.  This test-bed is not of the academic
sophistication levelof others (i.e. AURORA, CASA, etc.), but is
a first phase conceptexploration project.  KSC is interested in
testing the feasibility of using a GIGABITarchitecture to
consolidate several divergent communication transmissionsystems
used to support the operations and launch of the Space
Shuttle.Requested Dialoge:  I am interested in exploring the
possibility of communicating withother individuals to compare
notes and lessons learned.  If interestedplease reply via
e-mail.  Thank you.Sincerely,David
Sweigert------------------------------Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992
01:35:31 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!
darwin.sura.net!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!wb3ffv!ka3ovk!irscscm!next32!d
[e-mail]: Cheapest packet-capable rig?To:
[e-mail] is the absolute minimum set up to run
2400 bps packet?  How about  9600?  I'm new to this (like you
couldn't tell?) and would appreciate any  advice, experiences,
recomendations, etc.dave.-- Dave StroutNeXT
[e-mail]  <-- Should
work......uunet!ihost!next32!dstrout  <-- Else try
this....------------------------------Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992
21:57:47 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!new
s.media.mit.edu!news.media.mit.edu.![e-mail]:
Combined radio/TNCTo: [e-mail] assorted
do-it-yourselfers, there's the new Alinco that'sadvertised in
all of the latest ham magazines.  It's called theDR-1200T.  It
comes with 25W output, a TNC cable, and 2400 baudcapability.
The microphone is optional!You can assume that the deviation is
set properly for data, and thatthe TX/RX switching is fast.  It
sounds like you hook it up to acomputer & start transmitting.I
haven't seen one myself.  Has anyone played with one?  call
[phone] for info or see QST, 73 or
CQ.--Shawn------------------------------Date: 10 Apr 92 06:24:17
GMTFrom: [e-mail]: FLEA at MIT  Sunday April
19th    Cambridge MATo: [e-mail] has Sprung
in Cambridge....  so it is again  time for the monthly  Fleas at
MIT ....  *********  $1  buyers discount with hardcopy of this
notice ********COMPUTERS - ELECTRONICS - HAM RADIO - COMPUTERS -
ELECTRONICS                  FLEA  all SUMMER at MIT
       April 19th,  1992                         9AM-2PMCome to
the city for a great flea - plenty of free parking.        MIT's
 electronics and ham radio flea will take     place on the third
Sunday of each month this summer,     April thru October.
    There is tailgate space for over 400 sellers and
free, off-street parking for >1000 cars!        Buyers admission
is $2  (you get $1 off if        you're lucky enough to have a
copy of our add)        and sellers spaces are $8.00-each at the
gate.        The flea will be held at the corner of Albany and
     Main streets in Cambridge; right in the Kendall
Square area from 9AM to 2PM, with sellers set-up        time
starting at 7AM.      !! RAIN or SHINE !!  Have no fear of rain, a
covered     tailgate area is available for all sellers (6'8"
clearance).        Talk-in: 146.52 and W1XM/R-449.725/444.725
(PL 114.8/2A).        Sponsors: MIT Electronics Research Society
                 MIT UHF Repeater Association (W1XM)
     MIT Radio Society (W1MX)          Harvard Wireless Club
(W1AF)    For more info / advanced reservations 617 253
3776********** $1  buyers discount with hard copy of this notice
*****************************************************************
**************************Steve
Finberg            W1GSL            [e-mail] Box 82 MIT Br
Cambridge MA  02139            617 258
3754*************************************************************
******************------------------------------Date: 10 Apr 92
04:38:08 GMTFrom:
ogicse!willamette.edu![e-mail]: Help with KISS
and a PK-232MBXTo: [e-mail] our Digital
Communications class here at Willamette University, our
group'sproject involves using ka9q on a couple of TNCs
(PK-232MBX TNCs to be exact). The documentation for ka9q
describes how to activate KISS mode on the PK-232(first you
activate KISS mode using some terminal program, then run ka9q),
butit doesn't work on TNCs.  We are using PC Packrat as the
terminal program, andare sending commands to the TNC.  It works
fine until we hit the command KISSON, at which time no other
commands may be entered, and the only solution isto exit the
program and reset the TNC.  Our professor has been no help, as
hehas never used KISS mode on these TNCs.  If anyone can help,
and/or has usedka9q with IBM compatable machines, please respond
via e-mail.  Thank [e-mail]
------------------------------Date: 9 Apr 92 16:35:49 GMTFrom:
meteor!phoebus.meteor.wisc.edu![e-mail]: I'd
like to learn more about packet radioTo:
[e-mail]:I have *no* experience with radio,
except using my little Sony-2010shortwave.  I am, however, very
interested in getting started withthings like packet radio.
From what I understand, I can get a Novice or Technician no-code
license from the FCC that will allow meto do voice/packet work
above 30 MHz.Could someone point me to sources of further
information?  Isthere a compiled FAQ for this group?Some
specific questions I have about packet radio:- What kind of
equipment do you need?- How much does this cost?- What kind of
license do I need?- Are there people in the Madison, WI area
that are also  doing this?- What can you do with packet radio?
Messages?  BBSs?  UUCP?- I currently have a Sun Sparcstation 1
as my home computer.  What  kind of software do I need with
packet radio.  Has anyone used  a Sun (or other Unix machine)
for this kind of stuff?Please email me or post it here...Thanks
in advance to any kind folks who can help me out.I appreciate
your time and
attention.Cheers,Jon---------------------------------------------
-------------------------------- Jonathan Foley
             | email:  [e-mail] |Center for
Climatic Research and
-------------------------------  Department of Atmospheric &
Oceanic SciencesUniversity of Wisconsin
-------------------------------------------1225 West Dayton
Street          | These views are my own and do not reflect
|Madison, WI  53706               | those of any part of the
Univ. Wisconsin.
|----------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92
18:31:37 GMTFrom:
csus.edu!netcomsv!mork![e-mail]: printed
circuit diagram or 2Mbps datalink in 1991 ARRL handbookTo:
[e-mail]!  I made a layout for the boards
[Two sided with ground plane] butnever ended up making the
boards because I couldn't order the GUnnplexersthat the article
called for.  Even after correcting the typo on the phonenumber
in the ARRL guide, I found that the part in question hadnt been
madefor "a coujple of years now ... "   If anyone else knows a
source of these,I'd be glad to root through my backups and find
the artwork for the board.It's about a one evening project.  In
fact - I'll get PC Boards MADE andsell them at COST just to get
more people to USE this mode.  Will peoplebe needing High-Speed
Synch cards for various machines too?  I don't knowwhere to
scrounge one up, and figured I'd just point-to-point one when
theneed came.  [I've got a Mac and a 3B1 in my packet station]
        N1GAK  Scott------------------------------Date: 7 Apr 92
14:26:18 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!mercury!nacjack!richard@net
work.UCSD.EDUSubject: Repeaters price/availabilityTo:
[e-mail] anyone tell me (pref. in mail) where I
could get information aboutrepeaters (prices + facilities)
particularly Digital Repeaters for the2m and 70cm bands? I.e
companies to write (snail or email) to, etc.I live in a rather
nasty area surrounded on three sides by rather highhills. There
are a number of people in my area wanting to experimentwith
packet, but unable to get reception with any reliably unless we
goto ultra expensive antennae - if we join as a group we could
get arepeater and save ourselves some money. I know this isn't
the bestsolution, a better antenna would give coverage to all
the frequenciesin the 2m band, but packet people tend to get
some serious flak fromthe voice operators if we don't stick to
assigned
bands.Richard----------------------------------------------------
-----------------------"Today we will do lying on the floor. You
will lie on the floor. You willcontinue to lie on the floor, and
if you move a single muscle, I will killyou." - Alexi Sayle,
Didn't you kill my brother?USENET  : [e-mail]
 The Demi-Monde : 199:310/1FIDONET : Richard Vowles 3:772/110.0
 Amateur Radio  : ZL1UTF------------------------------Date: 9
Apr 92 22:26:31 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.ed
u![e-mail]: Ripoff Radio? (WAS Re: Combined
radio/TNC)To: [e-mail]@media-lab.media.mit.edu
(Shawn O'Donnell) writes:>Besides assorted do-it-yourselfers,
there's the new Alinco that's>advertised in all of the latest
ham magazines.  It's called the>DR-1200T.  It comes with 25W
output, a TNC cable, and 2400 baud>capability.  The microphone
is optional!>It sounds like your typical voice radio.  For
example, Kantronicssells a 2400 baud modem that uses QAM (?)
that requires the samebandwidth as 1200 baud, thus you don't
have to make any mods to yourvoice radio.  I think that is where
they get the 2400 baud speed.>You can assume that the deviation
is set properly for data, and that>the TX/RX switching is fast.
It sounds like you hook it up to a>computer & start
transmitting.>I would more assume they are not.  It looks like
they took a voice radioand just re-labeled it w/o a
microphone.>I haven't seen one myself.  Has anyone played with
one?  >Nope, so I am just going from the pictures.  I may be
speaking unfairlyabout Alinco.  If they did provide a 9600 baud
capable radio, thenthat would be something to talk about.-Steve
Schallehn  KB0AGD------------------------------Date: 9 Apr 1992
10:01:23 -0700From: [e-mail]:
[e-mail] Faunt, N6TQS,
415-688-8269)pSubject : re: List of 4800 baud and 9600 baud
capable radios needed.TAPR's got some of this information.  It
happens that the Jan '92 PSRhas the connection points for the
TM221.  RX can be gotten fromIC1-pin 9, and TX may be be
injected at connection #7 on the VCOassembly on the TX/RX unit.
There's more information in the article.TAPR can be reached at
602-749-947973, doug, N6TQS,
<[e-mail]>------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #95******************************Date:
Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #96To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
11 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  96Today's Topics:
    Beginner's Guide to TCP/IP (2 msgs)
   D-410 reply                     How do I kill kiss on tnc2?
                        More on GIGABIT   printed circuit
diagram or 2Mbps datalink in 1991 ARRL handbook
         tcp/ip beginner              Why segregate TCP/IP? (was
Re: kbd to kbd)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:52:00 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.ed
u!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu![e-mail]
USubject: Beginner's Guide to TCP/IPTo:
[e-mail] for taking the time to put together
the documentsintroducing beginners to TCP/IP and making them
available viaFTP. Unfortunately, when I attempted to FTP to
filbert... andlogin as "anonymous", filbert... responded with
"unknown command"Are you sure the system is set to accept
anonymous FTP logins?Thanks es 73,Will Snyder/KB4LFD-- J.
William Snyder, Jr. (Will)Class of 1992/The University of North
Carolina at Chapel HillAmateur Packet Radio:
[e-mail]:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 10
Apr 92 18:41:32 GMTFrom:
csus.edu!ucdavis!madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu![e-mail]
ect: Beginner's Guide to TCP/IPTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (J. William Snyder, Jr.)
writes:>>Thanks for taking the time to put together the
documents>introducing beginners to TCP/IP and making them
available via>FTP. Unfortunately, when I attempted to FTP to
filbert... and------------------------------Date: 10 Apr 1992
14:54:15 -0700From: [e-mail]: D-410
replyTo: [e-mail] is a simple solution to
COR-operated RF amp keyup delay - use direct PTT.However, many
COR's may be minimally modified for substantiallyshorter keyup
delay by simply tweaking a capacitor or 2, altering aresistor or
2; or (better yet) getting rid of the clanker and usingPIN
diodes, a move usually appreciated by XYL's if your shack
isadjacent to your bedroom and the local insomniacs victimize
yourmachine in the middle of the night =8-O -- Mike
wd6ehr.ampr.org![e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: 10 Apr 92 23:28:15 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!ogicse!psgrain!qiclab!techbook!low
[e-mail]: How do I kill kiss on tnc2?To:
[e-mail] have managed to get my PacCom TNC220,
which is suppossed to beuser interface compatable (more or less)
with a TNC2, into the KISSmode.  Works great for tcp/ip etc.  I
can`t find any documentation that tells me how to take it back
out of KISS mode.  Any hints?  73 Lowell
([e-mail])-- Lowell BrunsonKC7DX @ N7PWF.OR.USA.NA
(Packet Radio Only!)[e-mail]  Public Access User ---
Not affiliated with TECHbooks------------------------------Date:
10 Apr 1992 10:01:37 -0700From:
[e-mail]: More on GIGABITTo:
[e-mail]:[e-mail]:Robert E.
Kahn, Corporation for National Research InitiativesPhillip
Gross, Advanced Network and Services, Inc.Lawerence Landweber,
University of WisconsinBernd Bruegge, Carnegie Mellon
UniversityRef:GIGABIT Testbed ActivityBackground:  On pages
10-13, March 1992 issue of IEEE Network Magazine, there wasa
very interesting article entitled "Where are we with Gigabits".
Thisguest editorial referred to all of the gentlemen mentioned
above.Kennedy Activity:  The KSC is interested in exploring
GIGABIT architectures.  In fact,a small embryonic project has
been funded to establish a "test-bed"of sorts.  This test-bed is
not of the academic sophistication levelof others (i.e. AURORA,
CASA, etc.), but is a first phase conceptexploration project.
KSC is interested in testing the feasibility of using a
GIGABITarchitecture to consolidate several divergent
communication transmissionsystems used to support the operations
and launch of the Space Shuttle.Requested Dialoge:  I am
interested in exploring the possibility of communicating
withother individuals to compare notes and lessons learned.  If
interestedplease reply via e-mail.  Thank you.Sincerely,David
[e-mail]:------------------------------Da
te: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:31:21 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla![e-mail]
SD.EDUSubject: printed circuit diagram or 2Mbps datalink in 1991
ARRL handbookTo: [e-mail] all,  I've sent the
previous posters on this string a short newsletter whichn6rce
and I recently sent out to update and aid those building or
thinkingof building the data links.   Please drop me a note if
you would like a copy.very 73Glenn Elmore n6gnN6GN @ K3MC
amateur IP:    [e-mail]:    [e-mail]
------------------------------Date: 9 Apr 92 01:55:03 GMTFrom:
kodak!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!vpnet!vpnet![e-mail]
hester.eduSubject: tcp/ip beginnerTo: [e-mail]
All. I'm a new user of tcp/ip and have abouta thousand
questions. Rather than clutter up thissystem with all 1,000,
wonder if someone can pointme to a good tutorial, beginner's
guide or similar?Most of my questions relate to routing and
similar.Thanks for your help!Ken wa9wcp@wa9aek
[44.72.1.162]------------------------------Date: 10 Apr 1992
14:54:13 -0700From: [e-mail]: Why
segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd to kbd)To:
[e-mail] NET/NOS stations use mode VC, they will
be more aggressive and havea more equal footing with ax.25
stations.  If ax.25 stations run sensible settings, they won't
preempt tcp/ipactivity that much. The first is kind of wasteful
(as well as other problems mentioned inthis newsgroup regarding
mode vc); the second will work until thechannel gets busy and
some impatient ax.25'er gets tired of waitingfor "his" turn
while trying to read every bulletin ever posted on hisPBBS and
"tweaks" things to "make them work better", and finds that henow
"owns the channel" :-((Now for the inevitable 9600 baud plug
;-)If we'd get our collective heads screwed on correctly and
move to morerealistic speeds than 1200 baud (at that speed, an
acronym for "BoringAnd Usually Dumb" ;-), this would not be a
problem. We have a shared BBS-forward, tcp/ip, and ax.25 end
user 9600 baudchannel (439.025) in Los Angeles, using TEKK
radios for the most part(which have been working well enough for
most of us), with around 15tcp/ip users, a handful of ax.25'ers,
and several BBS forwarding ports(to which the sysops have most
generously allowed end user access) andit works euphorically
well.  Even with BBS forwarding, which _does_hog the channel, it
only requires a few minutes, after which ftp's,etc., resume on
their own. All this on a standard 25 KHz channel - and it'll
work on any channelwidth that will support 1200 baud AFSK!  --
Mike
wd6ehr.ampr.org![e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: (null)From: (null)>> The document is available in three
forms by anonymous ftp from>> filbert.eecs.ucdavis.edu
[128.120.57.123] in the directory pub/ka9q.
                    ^
^Argh, I blew it -- the ip address is 128.120.57.121.  If you
ftp'dto the ip address, you would have a problem.  However,
ftping to thehostname works OK, as confirmed by the pile of
email I have receivedthis morning.Sorry for the error.    73,
Gary------------------------------Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992
21:05:20 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!news.UU.NET!stanford.edu!morrow.stanford.edu!lager!
[e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>DSubject : Re: Ripoff Radio? (WAS
Re: Combined radio/TNC)I have an Alinco DR1200T radio and it
works quite well.  It is true FM,  andwhile it does NOT come
ready-to-run 9600 baud, the modification for theG3RUH modem is
very simple.It ran, out of the box,  right away.  It does *NOT*
come with a TNC cable,but does come with 1/2 of the cable (the
mic end).It's nothing more than a 112T without the microphone
and mobile mountingbracket.  Oh, except it's $50 less.  Where
else can you get a rock-solid,reasonably fast 2m radio for
$270?Paul--Our apparent freedom to do whatever we like shows how
whatever we chooseserves the economy.    -- Raoul Vaneigem, _The
Book of Pleasures_------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #96******************************Date:
Sun, 12 Apr 92 04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #97To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
12 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  97Today's Topics:
                   (none)                      Beginner's Guide
to TCP/IP                    Introduction to NOS available
                Memphis Mini-Fest 04/18
  More Problems              Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd
to kbd)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 11 Apr 1992 06:05:33 -0700From:
[e-mail]: (none)To:
[e-mail]>From Packet-Radio Sat Apr 11 04:30:02 PDT
1992 remote from UCSD.EduReceived: by ucsd.edu; id
AA24289    sendmail 5.64/UCSD-2.2-sun    Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:30:05 -0700
for packet-radioReceived: by ucsd.edu; id AA24284    sendmail
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/usr/lib/sendmail -oc -odb -oQ/var/spool/lqueue -oi
-fpacket-radio-relay packet-radio-listMessage-Id:
<[e-mail]>Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:30:02
PDTFrom: ucsd.edu!packet-radio (Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup)Errors-To: [e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #96To: UCSD.EDU!packet-radio Content-Type:
binaryContent-Length: 9451Packet-Radio Digest         Sat, 11
Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  96Today's Topics:
 Beginner's Guide to TCP/IP (2 msgs)
D-410 reply                     How do I kill kiss on tnc2?
                     More on GIGABIT   printed circuit diagram
or 2Mbps datalink in 1991 ARRL handbook
 tcp/ip beginner              Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd
to kbd)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:52:00 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.ed
u!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu![e-mail]
USubject: Beginner's Guide to TCP/IPTo:
[e-mail] for taking the time to put together
the documentsintroducing beginners to TCP/IP and making them
available viaFTP. Unfortunately, when I attempted to FTP to
filbert... andlogin as "anonymous", filbert... responded with
"unknown command"Are you sure the system is set to accept
anonymous FTP logins?Thanks es 73,Will Snyder/KB4LFD-- J.
William Snyder, Jr. (Will)Class of 1992/The University of North
Carolina at Chapel HillAmateur Packet Radio:
[e-mail]:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 10
Apr 92 18:41:32 GMTFrom:
csus.edu!ucdavis!madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu![e-mail]
ect: Beginner's Guide to TCP/IPTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (J. William Snyder, Jr.)
writes:>>Thanks for taking the time to put together the
documents>introducing beginners to TCP/IP and making them
available via>FTP. Unfortunately, when I attempted to FTP to
filbert... and------------------------------Date: 10 Apr 1992
14:54:15 -0700From: [e-mail]: D-410
replyTo: [e-mail] is a simple solution to
COR-operated RF amp keyup delay - use direct PTT.However, many
COR's may be minimally modified for substantiallyshorter keyup
delay by simply tweaking a capacitor or 2, altering aresistor or
2; or (better yet) getting rid of the clanker and usingPIN
diodes, a move usually appreciated by XYL's if your shack
isadjacent to your bedroom and the local insomniacs victimize
yourmachine in the middle of the night =8-O -- Mike
wd6ehr.ampr.org![e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: 10 Apr 92 23:28:15 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!ogicse!psgrain!qiclab!techbook!low
[e-mail]: How do I kill kiss on tnc2?To:
[e-mail] have managed to get my PacCom TNC220,
which is suppossed to beuser interface compatable (more or less)
with a TNC2, into the KISSmode.  Works great for tcp/ip etc.  I
can`t find any documentation that tells me how to take it back
out of KISS mode.  Any hints?  73 Lowell
([e-mail])-- Lowell BrunsonKC7DX @ N7PWF.OR.USA.NA
(Packet Radio Only!)[e-mail]  Public Access User ---
Not affiliated with TECHbooks------------------------------Date:
10 Apr 1992 10:01:37 -0700From:
[e-mail]: More on GIGABITTo:
[e-mail]:[e-mail]:Robert E.
Kahn, Corporation for National Research InitiativesPhillip
Gross, Advanced Network and Services, Inc.Lawerence Landweber,
University of WisconsinBernd Bruegge, Carnegie Mellon
UniversityRef:GIGABIT Testbed ActivityBackground:  On pages
10-13, March 1992 issue of IEEE Network Magazine, there wasa
very interesting article entitled "Where are we with Gigabits".
Thisguest editorial referred to all of the gentlemen mentioned
above.Kennedy Activity:  The KSC is interested in exploring
GIGABIT architectures.  In fact,a small embryonic project has
been funded to establish a "test-bed"of sorts.  This test-bed is
not of the academic sophistication levelof others (i.e. AURORA,
CASA, etc.), but is a first phase conceptexploration project.
KSC is interested in testing the feasibility of using a
GIGABITarchitecture to consolidate several divergent
communication transmissionsystems used to support the operations
and launch of the Space Shuttle.Requested Dialoge:  I am
interested in exploring the possibility of communicating
withother individuals to compare notes and lessons learned.  If
interestedplease reply via e-mail.  Thank you.Sincerely,David
[e-mail]:------------------------------Da
te: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:31:21 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla![e-mail]
SD.EDUSubject: printed circuit diagram or 2Mbps datalink in 1991
ARRL handbookTo: [e-mail] all,  I've sent the
previous posters on this string a short newsletter whichn6rce
and I recently sent out to update and aid those building or
thinkingof building the data links.   Please drop me a note if
you would like a copy.very 73Glenn Elmore n6gnN6GN @ K3MC
amateur IP:    [e-mail]:    [e-mail]
------------------------------Date: 9 Apr 92 01:55:03 GMTFrom:
kodak!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!vpnet!vpnet![e-mail]
hester.eduSubject: tcp/ip beginnerTo: [e-mail]
All. I'm a new user of tcp/ip and have abouta thousand
questions. Rather than clutter up thissystem with all 1,000,
wonder if someone can pointme to a good tutorial, beginner's
guide or similar?Most of my questions relate to routing and
similar.Thanks for your help!Ken wa9wcp@wa9aek
[44.72.1.162]------------------------------Date: 10 Apr 1992
14:54:13 -0700From: [e-mail]: Why
segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd to kbd)To:
[e-mail] NET/NOS stations use mode VC, they will
be more aggressive and havea more equal footing with ax.25
stations.  If ax.25 stations run sensible settings, they won't
preempt tcp/ipactivity that much. The first is kind of wasteful
(as well as other problems mentioned inthis newsgroup regarding
mode vc); the second will work until thechannel gets busy and
some impatient ax.25'er gets tired of waitingfor "his" turn
while trying to read every bulletin ever posted on hisPBBS and
"tweaks" things to "make them work better", and finds that henow
"owns the channel" :-((Now for the inevitable 9600 baud plug
;-)If we'd get our collective heads screwed on correctly and
move to morerealistic speeds than 1200 baud (at that speed, an
acronym for "BoringAnd Usually Dumb" ;-), this would not be a
problem. We have a shared BBS-forward, tcp/ip, and ax.25 end
user 9600 baudchannel (439.025) in Los Angeles, using TEKK
radios for the most part(which have been working well enough for
most of us), with around 15tcp/ip users, a handful of ax.25'ers,
and several BBS forwarding ports(to which the sysops have most
generously allowed end user access) andit works euphorically
well.  Even with BBS forwarding, which _does_hog the channel, it
only requires a few minutes, after which ftp's,etc., resume on
their own. All this on a standard 25 KHz channel - and it'll
work on any channelwidth that will support 1200 baud AFSK!  --
Mike
wd6ehr.ampr.org![e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: (null)From: (null)>> The document is available in three
forms by anonymous ftp from>> filbert.eecs.ucdavis.edu
[128.120.57.123] in the directory pub/ka9q.
                    ^
^Argh, I blew it -- the ip address is 128.120.57.121.  If you
ftp'dto the ip address, you would have a problem.  However,
ftping to thehostname works OK, as confirmed by the pile of
email I have receivedthis morning.Sorry for the error.    73,
Gary------------------------------Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992
21:05:20 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!news.UU.NET!stanford.edu!morrow.stanford.edu!lager!
[e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>DSubject : Re: Ripoff Radio? (WAS
Re: Combined radio/TNC)I have an Alinco DR1200T radio and it
works quite well.  It is true FM,  andwhile it does NOT come
ready-to-run 9600 baud, the modification for theG3RUH modem is
very simple.It ran, out of the box,  right away.  It does *NOT*
come with a TNC cable,but does come with 1/2 of the cable (the
mic end).It's nothing more than a 112T without the microphone
and mobile mountingbracket.  Oh, except it's $50 less.  Where
else can you get a rock-solid,reasonably fast 2m radio for
$270?Paul--Our apparent freedom to do whatever we like shows how
whatever we chooseserves the economy.    -- Raoul Vaneigem, _The
Book of Pleasures_------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92
#96******************************------------------------------Da
te: 11 Apr 92 01:38:31 GMTFrom:
nsc!voder!apple![e-mail]: Beginner's
Guide to TCP/IPTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Ford)
writes:>I have written a document entitled "Beginner's Guide to
TCP/IP on the>Amateur Packet Radio Network Using the KA9Q
Internet Software.">Version 2.0 of the guide documents the use
of NOS 911229 (PA0GRI v2.0h)>and BM v3.3.2.If you've never seen
Gary's guide, be sure to pick up the latest version.Ever since
he released the first version, I've been recommending it to
incipient Mac TCPers (even though it doesn't really talk about
the Macintosh version) because it's such a well written
introduction to the KA9Q program.  Five stars, highly
recommended.Pattyp.s. Of course, I've also been recommending it
to incipient non-Mac TCPers.I just don't like to admit that I
know any...  :-)--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
     ::   Patty Winter N6BIS    Internet: [e-mail]
::              ::   Sunnyvale, California    AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
      ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
------------------------------Date: 8 Apr 92 20:26:27 GMTFrom:
psinntp!psinntp!ncrlnk!ciss!lawday![e-mail]:
Introduction to NOS availableTo: [e-mail] just
posted my introductory documentation for NOS to
thehamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming directory at ucsd.edu.It's
designed to be a useful guide for folks who know something
aboutpacket but are just getting started with NOS.  It includes
sampleconfiguration files, etc.  Preliminary reviews have been
favorable, soit might be worth a look...It's "intronos.zip" and
is in plain vanilla ASCII format that shoulddisplay or print on
just about any hardware without problems.John
[e-mail]-- John R. Ackermann, Jr.
   Law Department, NCR Corporation, Dayton, Ohio(513) 445-2966
     [e-mail] Radio: ag9v@n8acv
 tcp/ip: [e-mail]
[44.70.12.34]------------------------------Date: 11 Apr 92
16:29:51 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!utkcs2!memstvx1![e-mail]:
Memphis Mini-Fest 04/18To: [e-mail]
        MEMPHIS MINI-FEST 92
--------------------There will be a MINI-FEST at State Technical
Institute-Memphis on April 18th!!State Tech is located just to
the south-west of exit 12 on I40 in east Memphis.Talk in will be
on the W4BS repeater system, 146.82, 224.42 and 443.2.Table
set-up begins at 8:00 and the doors open for general admission
at 8:30.For table information, please contact KC4ZOV @ W4BS via
packet or 901-363-3159via land-line.  Tables are $5.00 and
admission is $2.00.The following is a list of ONLY those forums
that are confirmed AT THIS DATE.Others are in the planning
stages.  All forums will be in the Engineeringbuilding at class
rooms indicated by LOCATION.  TIME   TITLE
LOCATION    PRESENTER  09:00  Eastern Ark. Emer.     F112
by  Wayne, N5JLJ & Joe, N5MIG         Preparedness
          Phillips County Arkansas         HF Digital Modes
 F116      by  Hugh, WA4SLI  10:00  Shelby County RACES    F114
    by  Dana, WI3B
Shelby County RACES Officer         Army MARS              F118
    by  Pat Lane, W4OQG  11:00  Tower Legal Issues,    F112
by  Dwayne, KC4POI         etc.
ARRL Volunteer Counsel         Beginner's DX Forum    F116
by  Dennis, WF4G  12:00  VE Testing             F118      by
John, WZ5S & Dana,WI3B  13:00  BBS Access & Activity  F112
by  Buddy, WX2G, Suresh, N9GSA (W4BS)         (panel members)
                  Tom, KA4P (KA4P, Trenton)
                        Roy, WX2B (WX2B, Memphis)
                              Harry, AI5R (AI5R, Lakeland)
  ARES Forum             F116      by  O.D.Keaton, WA4GLS,
                                       ARRL Tennessee Section
Manager &                                              Steve,
NX3W, Shelby Cty ARES EC  14:00  VHF/UHF Forum          F114
 by  Dave, N4MW
ARRL Technical Coordinator         Antenna Forum          F118
   by  Rodger, K4HTB      15:00  W4BS Packet Repeater   F112
 by  Steve, KM4WQ & Terry, KB4KA         Antenna Forum (Cont)
F118      by  Rodger, K4HTBAdditional forums we are trying to
confirm are:  Weather Service - Warning & Preparedness  ATV
Repeater  DFing (Fox or Rabbit Hunting)We hope everyone will
attend the Mini-Fest and as many forums as possible.  Youcannot
find a less expensive way to learn more and increase your
enjoyment inour Amateur Radio hobby!The doors will close at 4:00
pm.  However, there will be a sysop's meeting forBBS,
THENET/NETROM and ROSE sysops at 5:00 pm.  See me for details on
the sysopmeeting.Hope to CU there, 73, Terry
KB4KA------------------------------Date: 12 Apr 92 04:07:15
GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!tdkt!FredGate@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: More ProblemsTo:
[e-mail] the data engine finally arrived and I
purchased aAlinco DR1200 data radio for the 2 meter side,
waitingon a DR4-10 for 19.2Kbaud... I was wonderingif anyone
else was running a 1200 w/ a Kantronics product..If so, what are
you running for TX audio levels and Equalization...I'm running
max audio and partial equalization...seems to work, is this
correct? * Origin: HAM>link< RBBS 612/HAM-0000 Saint Paul, MN
(K0TG)(1:282/100.0)------------------------------Date: Sat, 11
Apr 1992 19:35:48 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.in
s.cwru.edu!ncoast![e-mail]: Why segregate
TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd to kbd)To: [e-mail] quoted
from <[e-mail]> by [e-mail] (Mike
Curtis):+---------------| If NET/NOS stations use mode VC, they
will be more aggressive and have| a more equal footing with
ax.25 stations.  | | If ax.25 stations run sensible settings,
they won't preempt tcp/ip| activity that much. +---------------I
see you've never experienced a mixture of exponential- and
linear-backoffstations on a single channel before.  I have.  The
result is that theexponential-backoff stations essentially lose
the frequency because the linearbackoff scheme is inherently
more aggressive.  Even on mode VC connections:a simple AX.25
connect from an exponential-backoff NOS still loses thefrequency
to linear-backoff stations.++Brandon-- Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH
[44.70.4.88]        [e-mail] Programmer,
Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself
that...)------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #97******************************Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92
04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #98To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
13 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  98Today's Topics:
            BPQ 4.05 FTP site ?                            BPQ
FTP sites                           FBB Compression   NOS under
G8BPQ: is it worth it, under what conditions? (3 msgs)Send
Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 12 Apr 1992 05:33:12 -0700From:
[e-mail]: BPQ 4.05 FTP site ?To:
[e-mail] can I find BPQ 4.05 for FTP
?/Sm5ohi------------------------------Date: 12 Apr 1992 18:08:09
-0700From: [e-mail]: BPQ FTP sitesTo:
[e-mail] is available on
tomcat.gsfc.nasa.gov.  I have also postedit to ucsd.edu and it
will be available there as soon as Brianmigrates it.Roy,
AA4RE------------------------------Date: 12 Apr 1992 18:09:11
-0700From: [e-mail]: FBB CompressionTo:
[e-mail] anyone been able to descramble an FBB
compressed message that theymonitored?  I have run it thru ever
LZH code I have without success.Roy,
AA4RE------------------------------Date: 12 Apr 1992 21:07:33
-0700From: [e-mail]: NOS under G8BPQ:
is it worth it, under what conditions?To:
[e-mail] serveral cases, people have had great
success running BPQ,DV, NOS, and an AX25 BBS such as mine on a
single computer.So the advantage to using BPQ and NOS is that it
allows those ports.to be used by other programsRoy,
AA4RE------------------------------Date: 13 Apr 92 03:04:13
GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbe
[e-mail]: NOS under G8BPQ: is it worth it,
under what conditions?To: [e-mail] just pulled
down the G8BPQ node software, and noticed that it has
aninterface to run NOS under it.  The documentation implies that
this is for usewith e.g. DesqView; a local ham, however, tells
me he runs NOS under DesqViewwithout G8BPQ and without
difficulties.Anyway, my questions are:(1) What benefits are
there from running NOS under G8BPQ?(2) Are there any special
circumstances when use of G8BPQ with NOS is a    particularly
good idea?  Or a particularly BAD idea?(3) Is there any
documentation for G8BPQ that is somewhat better assembled
than the docs in BPQ405.ZIP?  (I didn't think anything had worse
docs than    NOS! ---now I know better.)  I suspect I wouldn't
be driven to ask here    if the docs that came with it did a
better job of explaining the benefits    of the G8BPQ software.I
should mention that I've already asked locally; nobody around
here uses it.(I thought for sure KB7YW would be able to give me
pointers; ah, well.)++Brandon-- Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH
[44.70.4.88]        [e-mail] Programmer,
Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself
that...)------------------------------Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992
03:48:29 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.in
s.cwru.edu!ncoast![e-mail]: NOS under
G8BPQ: is it worth it, under what conditions?To:
[e-mail] quoted from
<[e-mail]> by [e-mail]
(Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH):+---------------| (1) What benefits
are there from running NOS under G8BPQ?| (2) Are there any
special circumstances when use of G8BPQ with NOS is a|
particularly good idea?  Or a particularly BAD idea?| (3) Is
there any documentation for G8BPQ that is somewhat better
assembled|     than the docs in BPQ405.ZIP?  (I didn't think
anything had worse docs than|     NOS! ---now I know better.)  I
suspect I wouldn't be driven to ask here|     if the docs that
came with it did a better job of explaining the benefits|     of
the G8BPQ software.+---------------One more thing:  please
REPLY, do not POST responses if you want me to seethem.  Between
my schedule and ncoast's rather annoying tendency to crash
atinopportune times, coupled with the fact that we have a 1-day
expire but yet*still* regularly run /usr/spool/news out of
space, the chances of my seeing aposted response are slim to
none.  (AARGH!)++Brandon-- Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH
[44.70.4.88]        [e-mail] Programmer,
Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself
that...)------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #98******************************Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92
04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #99To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
14 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue  99Today's Topics:
                   (none)                    9600 Baud and
Kenwood/Alinco?                 Any PacketCluster SysOPs out
there?                  Baudot TTY wantedREAD/NEW/FOLLOWUP
                  BPQ 4.05 FTP site ?
     HELP              Help 2nd try - mail naming convention etc
                 HELP ka9q mailers address protocol
      Improving front end of GE MVP
   JITC                        KA9Q's NOS 6.18 source
     Packet-Radio Digest, why??? (2 msgs)
WA4DSY 56 kbit/s MODEM ?? (2 msgs)Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 13 Apr 1992 09:11:10 -0700From:
[e-mail]: (none)To:
[e-mail]>From Packet-Radio Mon Apr 13 04:30:03 PDT
1992 remote from UCSD.EduReceived: by ucsd.edu; id
AA24746    sendmail 5.64/UCSD-2.2-sun    Mon, 13 Apr 92 04:30:07 -0700
for infmx!brucebReceived: by ucsd.edu; id AA24741    sendmail
5.64/UCSD-2.2-sun    Mon, 13 Apr 92 04:30:04 -0700 for
/usr/lib/sendmail -oc -odb -oQ/var/spool/lqueue -oi
-fpacket-radio-relay packet-radio-listMessage-Id:
<[e-mail]>Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 04:30:03
PDTFrom: ucsd.edu!packet-radio (Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup)Errors-To: [e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #98To: UCSD.EDU!packet-radio Content-Type:
textContent-Length: 4998Packet-Radio Digest         Mon, 13 Apr
92       Volume 92 : Issue  98Today's Topics:
     BPQ 4.05 FTP site ?                            BPQ FTP
sites                           FBB Compression   NOS under
G8BPQ: is it worth it, under what conditions? (3 msgs)Send
Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 12 Apr 1992 05:33:12 -0700From:
[e-mail]: BPQ 4.05 FTP site ?To:
[e-mail] can I find BPQ 4.05 for FTP
?/Sm5ohi------------------------------Date: 12 Apr 1992 18:08:09
-0700From: [e-mail]: BPQ FTP sitesTo:
[e-mail] is available on
tomcat.gsfc.nasa.gov.  I have also postedit to ucsd.edu and it
will be available there as soon as Brianmigrates it.Roy,
AA4RE------------------------------Date: 12 Apr 1992 18:09:11
-0700From: [e-mail]: FBB CompressionTo:
[e-mail] anyone been able to descramble an FBB
compressed message that theymonitored?  I have run it thru ever
LZH code I have without success.Roy,
AA4RE------------------------------Date: 12 Apr 1992 21:07:33
-0700From: [e-mail]: NOS under G8BPQ:
is it worth it, under what conditions?To:
[e-mail] serveral cases, people have had great
success running BPQ,DV, NOS, and an AX25 BBS such as mine on a
single computer.So the advantage to using BPQ and NOS is that it
allows those ports.to be used by other programsRoy,
AA4RE------------------------------Date: 13 Apr 92 03:04:13
GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbe
[e-mail]: NOS under G8BPQ: is it worth it,
under what conditions?To: [e-mail] just pulled
down the G8BPQ node software, and noticed that it has
aninterface to run NOS under it.  The documentation implies that
this is for usewith e.g. DesqView; a local ham, however, tells
me he runs NOS under DesqViewwithout G8BPQ and without
difficulties.Anyway, my questions are:(1) What benefits are
there from running NOS under G8BPQ?(2) Are there any special
circumstances when use of G8BPQ with NOS is a    particularly
good idea?  Or a particularly BAD idea?(3) Is there any
documentation for G8BPQ that is somewhat better assembled
than the docs in BPQ405.ZIP?  (I didn't think anything had worse
docs than    NOS! ---now I know better.)  I suspect I wouldn't
be driven to ask here    if the docs that came with it did a
better job of explaining the benefits    of the G8BPQ software.I
should mention that I've already asked locally; nobody around
here uses it.(I thought for sure KB7YW would be able to give me
pointers; ah, well.)++Brandon-- Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH
[44.70.4.88]        [e-mail] Programmer,
Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself
that...)------------------------------Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992
03:48:29 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.in
s.cwru.edu!ncoast![e-mail]: NOS under
G8BPQ: is it worth it, under what conditions?To:
[e-mail] quoted from
<[e-mail]> by [e-mail]
(Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH):+---------------| (1) What benefits
are there from running NOS under G8BPQ?| (2) Are there any
special circumstances when use of G8BPQ with NOS is a|
particularly good idea?  Or a particularly BAD idea?| (3) Is
there any documentation for G8BPQ that is somewhat better
assembled|     than the docs in BPQ405.ZIP?  (I didn't think
anything had worse docs than|     NOS! ---now I know better.)  I
suspect I wouldn't be driven to ask here|     if the docs that
came with it did a better job of explaining the benefits|     of
the G8BPQ software.+---------------One more thing:  please
REPLY, do not POST responses if you want me to seethem.  Between
my schedule and ncoast's rather annoying tendency to crash
atinopportune times, coupled with the fact that we have a 1-day
expire but yet*still* regularly run /usr/spool/news out of
space, the chances of my seeing aposted response are slim to
none.  (AARGH!)++Brandon-- Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH
[44.70.4.88]        [e-mail] Programmer,
Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself
that...)------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92
#98******************************------------------------------Da
te: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:55:01 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!skyler.mavd.honeywell.
com![e-mail]: 9600 Baud and
Kenwood/Alinco?To: [e-mail] anyone had
experience with adapting the Alinco 110 vhf mobile radio to9600
baud packet operation?  How about the Kenwood 7950, 7850 or
7830?73Carl
WA0CQG___________________________________________________________
___________________Carl Estey                  |  Home Mail
Address: 276 Walnut LaneAmateur Callsign:    WA0CQG |
         Apple Valley, MN 55124                            |
Business Address:  Honeywell Inc.Phone: Work [phone]  |
Flight Systems & Test Operations M/S MN15-2370       FAX  (612)
542-6003  |  1625 Zarthan Ave. S., St. Louis Park, MN 55416
 Home [phone]  |  Packet: WA0CQG @
WA0CQG.#SOMSP.MN.USA.NA   The nonsense here is of my own making
- no one else would want
credit!------------------------------Date: 6 Apr 92 10:22:36
GMTFrom:
math.fu-berlin.de!NewsServ!unknown![e-mail]:
Any PacketCluster SysOPs out there?To: [e-mail]
Everyone!Are there any PacketCluster SysOPs out there? I would
like to get in touch with you via email and/or packet S&F.73
Ben, DL6RAISysOP of DB0BCC PacketCluster in
Landshut/Bavaria------------------------------Date: 13 Apr 92
18:17:03 -0700From:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.uvcc.edu!
[e-mail]: Baudot TTY
wantedREAD/NEW/FOLLOWUPTo: [e-mail]>In article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David L.
Hanson) writes:> Sorry to pollute this group slightly.  But I
thought that maybe someone> here might be able to help me.  I am
looking for a Baudot terminal so> that I can talk to my deaf
friend without using a relay service.  I> don't want to spend
the several hundred $'s to buy either a new TDD or> a Baudot
operable modem.  > This is an addition to David's request.  I
have the feeling that a _low_speed packet box, such as a  PK2

32 using the HF interface, should be ableto be connected to a
telephone line using a fairly simple circuit.They will handle
all sorts of tone pairs and have built-in Baudot
conversion.Couldn't you use the HF interface to run TDD service
to a deaf friend andstill have the VHF interface to run 1200
baud to a radio?I have a deaf friend who is at this moment
studying for his n.c. tech licenseso that he can run packet.
With the digital modes, there is no reason aperson actually has
to HEAR a radio to be a ham!I also want to do a similar hookup
for TDD access to the timesharingcomputers here at the college.
TDD modems are freighfully expensive --over $300 for a 45.5 baud
half-duplex modem is robbery.  If one/some of ushams can come up
with a better answer we will be doing a really good deedfor a
segment of our population who could use a little help.Anybody
got any good ideas?  I will collect them, and if anything really
neatcomes up will forward to my local defnet BBS.-- Vern Cole --
Systems Manager -- Utah Valley Community College
--------------------------------Date: 13 Apr 92 12:46:19
GMTFrom:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!polaris!funic![e-mail]: BPQ
4.05 FTP site ?To: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:>Where can I find BPQ 4.05 for FTP ?>/Sm5ohiTry
nic.funet.fi, file pub/ham/packet/g8bpq/bpq405.zip.Markku /
OH2BQZ------------------------------Date: 13 Apr 1992 20:20:38
-0700From: [e-mail]: HELPTo:
[e-mail] have a problem and I hope that I'm not
the only one.Could someone explain in SIMPLE terms whats the
differencebetween NOS,TCIP/IP, TNC 1 and 2,KA9?, and running a
KAM or MFJ 1278TNC.Thanksde Roland 7J1AKI @ 7J1AAAor
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
13 Apr 92 17:01:39 GMTFrom:
[e-mail]: Help 2nd try - mail
naming convention etcTo: [e-mail] Well my first try
got 0 responses so try again :-(.1. What is the prefered
protocol for smtp mail addresses?   handle@host       - ie
ted@n6trf   callsign@host     - ie n6trf@n6trf2. Several of the
pars group have been experimenting with ka9q and all   phils
children. However our problem (or apparent) is we cant get out
of our valley direct to another tcpip station. The way it
appears to    me that shuts down all the good stuff. Educate me
please on how we can     do tcpip connections via netrom (or
whatever).   Remember ignorance can be educated but stupid is
forever :-). 73, ted------------------------------Date: 12 Apr
92 16:55:01 CDTFrom:
usc!rpi!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!vpnet!vpnet!akcs.ken@netw
ork.UCSD.EDUSubject: HELP ka9q mailers address protocolTo:
[e-mail] Ted. I believe the correct syntax
[e-mail]. For me that would
[e-mail]. You'll see things likeken@wa9wcp but
that's a local issue and requiresan alias file to translate ken
back to wa9wcp.I have the full blown wnos3 including source
codebut it has to bee compiled with Turbo C.Ken
[e-mail] or WA9WCP @
W9ZMR.IL.------------------------------Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992
18:34:08 GMTFrom:
usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!orchard.la.locus.com!devnet.la.locus.com!d
[e-mail]: Improving front end of GE MVPTo:
[e-mail]  I've been using a GE MVP for packet, and
plan to use the radio asthe basis of a duplex data repeater. The
MVP is a compact commercialradio with a front end consisting of
a 5 section helical resonatorfollowed by a JFET mixer. The
service manual species a JFET "similarto the 2N4391" as the
part.  The 2N4391 is a switching FET, not normally specified for
RF service.I've started wondering if I could lower the front end
noise figure, orimprove the gain without compromising dynamic
range, by replacing thisFET with a healthy RF FET like a U310. I
haven't compared thetransconductance and threshold voltages to
guess at bias changes,but I don't think that is too much of an
issue.  Before I charge off, has anyone here had experience with
this?--  * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ         | Views expressed here are    * *
[phone]         | mine and do not necessarily    * *
[e-mail]  DoD #466     | reflect those of my employer    * *
"Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"
*------------------------------Date: 13 Apr 1992 13:12:04
-0700From: [e-mail]: JITCTo:
[e-mail]:[e-mail] am trying to
locate the Joint Interoperability Test Center.  Anyidea where
that
is??Dave+--------------------------------------------------------
-------------+   FROM:   David Sweigert  c/o   Boeing Aerospace
Operations   M/S  FA-71
[e-mail]   Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899
  FAX  [phone]
VOICE
867-4848+--------------------------------------------------------
-------------+------------------------------Date: 11 Apr 92
23:52:38 GMTFrom:
wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!mercury!nacjack!richard@uunet.u
u.netSubject: KA9Q's NOS 6.18 sourceTo: [e-mail]
managed to find the KA9Q's source for version 6.18 on ucsd.edu
(afterremembering I had the old FAQ that was posted in November
of last year(perhaps an update is warranted? with more info in
what is in thosearchives?).Anyone know if there have been any
major bug fixes to the TCP/IP, KISS, orAX.25 code since then?Any
help much
appreciated.Richard----------------------------------------------
-----------------------------"Today we will do lying on the
floor. You will lie on the floor. You willcontinue to lie on the
floor, and if you move a single muscle, I will killyou." - Alexi
Sayle, Didn't you kill my brother?USENET  :
[e-mail]       The Demi-Monde : 199:310/1FIDONET :
Richard Vowles 3:772/110.0   Amateur Radio  :
ZL1UTF------------------------------Date: 13 Apr 92 18:32:11
-0700From:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.uvcc.edu!col
[e-mail]: Packet-Radio Digest, why???To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, Packet-Radio@ucsd
writes:> > Packet-Radio Digest         Sat, 11 Apr 92
Volume 92 : Issue  96> > Today's Topics:>
Beginner's Guide to TCP/IP (2 msgs)>
 D-410 reply>                      How do I kill kiss on tnc2?>
                          More on GIGABIT>    printed circuit
diagram or 2Mbps datalink in 1991 ARRL handbook>
           tcp/ip beginner>               Why segregate TCP/IP?
(was Re: kbd to kbd)> Ummm - I have the feeling of deja-vu
here.This digest is, I am sure, wonderful for folks on a mailing
list who do notget the newsgroups.  I was on the mailing list
myself once, and reallyappreciated it.  But why are we
cluttering up the netnews bandwidth with a _second_ copy of all
these messages?Can't it be filtered somehow?Just asking - not
grumping,-- Vern Cole -- Systems Manager -- Utah Valley
Community College --------------------------------Date: 14 Apr
92 03:48:04 GMTFrom:
ubc-cs!mala.bc.ca!oneb!ham![e-mail]:
Packet-Radio Digest, why???To:
[e-mail]@cc.uvcc.edu writes:> In article
<[e-mail]>, Packet-Radio@ucsd
writes:> > > > Packet-Radio Digest         Sat, 11 Apr 92
Volume 92 : Issue  96> > > > Today's Topics:> >
Beginner's Guide to TCP/IP (2 msgs)> >
   D-410 reply> >                      How do I kill kiss on
tnc2?> >                            More on GIGABIT> >
printed circuit diagram or 2Mbps datalink in 1991 ARRL handbook>
>                            tcp/ip beginner> >
Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd to kbd)> > > > Ummm - I have
the feeling of deja-vu here.> > This digest is, I am sure,
wonderful for folks on a mailing list who do not> get the
newsgroups.  I was on the mailing list myself once, and really>
appreciated it.  But why are we cluttering up the netnews
bandwidth with a > _second_ copy of all these messages?> > Can't
it be filtered somehow?> > Just asking - not grumping,Yes,
please. All these digests seem to be repeats of previously
posted Usenet articles. Please stop sending them to Usenet if
that is the case.Robert Smits  VE7EMD Nanaimo B.C. Ph (604)
753-4119          e-mail: ham![e-mail] Fax (604)
753-4143            PACKET VE7EMD@VE7KIT.#VANC.BC.CAN.NOAM

------------------------------Date: 13 Apr 92 14:50:10 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!kth.se!mat
[e-mail]: WA4DSY 56 kbit/s MODEM ??To:
[e-mail] !I would like to know where and how
to buy the WA4DSY 56 kbit/s MODEM kit.I have read about GRAPES,
but I have no address or whatsoever.Mattis
[e-mail]------------------------------Da
te: 14 Apr 92 02:31:57 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!gatech!gatech!kd4nc![e-mail]: WA4DSY
56 kbit/s MODEM ??To:
[e-mail]@elixir.lne.kth.se (Mattis Andersson)
writes:>Hello !>I would like to know where and how to buy the
WA4DSY 56 kbit/s MODEM kit.>I have read about GRAPES, but I have
no address or whatsoever.>Mattis
Andersson>[e-mail] now and then, I
follow-up to one of these requests on the group.I am the contact
for the GRAPES packet group (non-profit packet networking
organization in N. Ga.. Inquiries can be sent directlyto me at
gatech!kd4nc!dug. Please include a postal address in case I
can'tmake your mail path work. Sorry for the net.bandwidth
usage, but it usually bounces around for a few days on the
newsgroup, if I don't post a reply. I will reply to Mattis
directly.Doug-- Doug Drye
KD4NC------------------------------Date: 13 Apr 92 16:29:44
GMTFrom: claris!apple!xanadu![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>, <pst.702939920@lager>*Subject :
Re: Ripoff Radio? (WAS Re: Combined radio/TNC)In article
<pst.702939920@lager> [e-mail] (Paul S. Traina) writes:>I
have an Alinco DR1200T radio and it works quite well.  It is
true FM,  and>while it does NOT come ready-to-run 9600 baud, the
modification for the>G3RUH modem is very simple.>>It ran, out of
the box,  right away.  It does *NOT* come with a TNC cable,>but
does come with 1/2 of the cable (the mic end).>>It's nothing
more than a 112T without the microphone and mobile mountingDoes
this mean that the 112T is also true
FM?jeff------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #99******************************Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92
04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #100To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
15 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 100Today's Topics:
Baycomm modem (or equiv. ) interface software..
Help 2nd try - mail naming convention etc
Poor Man's packet & modem              Why segregate TCP/IP?
(was Re: kbd to kbd)                            Wireless
LANsSend Replies or notes for publication to:
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-----------Date: 14 Apr 92 02:53:00 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!ispd-newsserver!kodak!eastman!b56vxg.kodak.com!lewis@netw
ork.UCSD.EDUSubject: Baycomm modem (or equiv. ) interface
software..To: [e-mail] net!I have seen
some kits and home-brew articles regarding Bell 202 modems like
the Baycomm board in the periodicals recently.  From I gather
these kits thatuse either a TI chip or AMD chip are just modems
and you need to run a packageon an IBM pc or clone either called
Poor Man's Packet or the like.  Are thereany Macintosh packages
written or in the process of being written to interfacewith
these modem boards.  any posts or replies would be
appreciated...73, Ken
Lewis============================================================
===================Eastman Kodak Company, RDCS          RF:
N2LCI1669 Lake Avenue                         Internet:
[e-mail] NY 14652-3302             AT&T:
(716)-722-3438===================================================
============================------------------------------Date:
14 Apr 92 19:42:01 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!apple!apple![e-mail]: Help
2nd try - mail naming convention etcTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ted Medin)
writes:>>1. What is the prefered protocol for smtp mail
addresses?>   handle@host       - ie ted@n6trf>   callsign@host
   - ie n6trf@n6trfIn the San Jose area, it seems to be personal
preference. I use myfirst name, some other folks do the same,
others use their callsign.(And, at least in the Macintosh
version of Phil's package, you canset up aliases so that all
incoming mail lands in the mailbox of yourchoice, no matter
which user name it was sent to.)Note, however, that if you're
sending a message to an AX.25 user(do you have a TCP-to-AX.25
gateway in San Diego?) you *have* touse callsigns because the
AX.25 BBS software will freak at anything else.>   Educate me
please on how we can  >   do tcpip connections via netrom (or
whatever).I thought this was in the main KA9Q manual. If not,
it's in a supplement.Try rooting around the ka9q directory on
ucsd.edu.Patty--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
     ::   Patty Winter N6BIS    Internet: [e-mail]
::              ::   Sunnyvale, California    AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
      ::
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------------------------------Date: 14 Apr 92 16:23:17 ESTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.in
s.cwru.edu!icd.ab.com!iccgcc.decnet.ab.com![e-mail]
USubject: Poor Man's packet & modemTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Michael Solinas) writes:> Can
a standard modem be used with poor man's packet?  I have a zoom
> external, and can purchase some used hayes modems (1200 baud)
for $15.  > Can these be used with PMP?>    Also, how would you
connect from the modem (standard phone type cord > jacks) to a
hand talkit?> > >
-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------> [e-mail] (Michael Solinas)>
Micro-Medic BBS                                            (408)
280-1610Mike,Not sure if you received last reply.  I am using a
modem of my own designwhich was adapted from the exar 2206/2211
app note.  I am using this withpmp v1.1 and have excellent
results.  If you need a cop of the article fromAug 73  or the
S/W let me know.  The S/W is available off the Hamnet BBSat
2169426382.  By the way I could use some 2206's & 2211's.73 Joe
Ke6ha @WA8BXN.#neoh.oh.usa.na
------------------------------Date: 15 Apr 92 02:20:49 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!metro!grivel!ipso![e-mail]:
Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd to kbd)To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>    [e-mail]
(Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:>I see you've never
experienced a mixture of exponential- and
linear-backoff>stations on a single channel before.  I have.
The result is that the>exponential-backoff stations essentially
lose the frequency because the linear>backoff scheme is
inherently more aggressive.  Even on mode VC connections:>a
simple AX.25 connect from an exponential-backoff NOS still loses
the>frequency to linear-backoff stations.Hmmm...  Wouldn't the
linear-backoff people time out first?  I'm one ofthe few people
in my area using p-persistence, and it seems that underheavy
congestion, the FRACK/DWAIT brigade time out before I do...--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @
[e-mail]
...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave       ADA - from the people who
brought you COBOL------------------------------Date: 14 Apr 1992
06:11:57 -0700From: [e-mail]: Wireless
LANsTo: [e-mail]  Anyone out there have experience
on Commercial off The ShelfWireless LAN
products?+-------------------------------------------------------
--------------+   FROM:   David Sweigert  c/o   Boeing Aerospace
Operations   M/S  FA-71
[e-mail]   Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899
  FAX  [phone]
VOICE
867-4848+--------------------------------------------------------
-------------+------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
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                    add                          Failed Err
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           Guide to various flavors of NOS?
           HELP                  HELP ka9q mailers address
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Digest         Wed, 15 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 100Today's
Topics:           Baycomm modem (or equiv. ) interface
software..              Help 2nd try - mail naming convention
etc                      Poor Man's packet & modem
Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd to kbd)
     Wireless LANsSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 14 Apr 92 02:53:00 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!ispd-newsserver!kodak!eastman!b56vxg.kodak.com!lewis@netw
ork.UCSD.EDUSubject: Baycomm modem (or equiv. ) interface
software..To: [e-mail] net!I have seen
some kits and home-brew articles regarding Bell 202 modems like
the Baycomm board in the periodicals recently.  From I gather
these kits thatuse either a TI chip or AMD chip are just modems
and you need to run a packageon an IBM pc or clone either called
Poor Man's Packet or the like.  Are thereany Macintosh packages
written or in the process of being written to interfacewith
these modem boards.  any posts or replies would be
appreciated...73, Ken
Lewis============================================================
===================Eastman Kodak Company, RDCS          RF:
N2LCI1669 Lake Avenue                         Internet:
[e-mail] NY 14652-3302             AT&T:
(716)-722-3438===================================================
============================------------------------------Date:
14 Apr 92 19:42:01 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!apple!apple![e-mail]: Help
2nd try - mail naming convention etcTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ted Medin)
writes:>>1. What is the prefered protocol for smtp mail
addresses?>   handle@host       - ie ted@n6trf>   callsign@host
   - ie n6trf@n6trfIn the San Jose area, it seems to be personal
preference. I use myfirst name, some other folks do the same,
others use their callsign.(And, at least in the Macintosh
version of Phil's package, you canset up aliases so that all
incoming mail lands in the mailbox of yourchoice, no matter
which user name it was sent to.)Note, however, that if you're
sending a message to an AX.25 user(do you have a TCP-to-AX.25
gateway in San Diego?) you *have* touse callsigns because the
AX.25 BBS software will freak at anything else.>   Educate me
please on how we can  >   do tcpip connections via netrom (or
whatever).I thought this was in the main KA9Q manual. If not,
it's in a supplement.Try rooting around the ka9q directory on
ucsd.edu.Patty--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
     ::   Patty Winter N6BIS    Internet: [e-mail]
::              ::   Sunnyvale, California    AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
      ::
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------------------------------Date: 14 Apr 92 16:23:17 ESTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.in
s.cwru.edu!icd.ab.com!iccgcc.decnet.ab.com![e-mail]
USubject: Poor Man's packet & modemTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Michael Solinas) writes:> Can
a standard modem be used with poor man's packet?  I have a zoom
> external, and can purchase some used hayes modems (1200 baud)
for $15.  > Can these be used with PMP?>    Also, how would you
connect from the modem (standard phone type cord > jacks) to a
hand talkit?> > >
-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------> [e-mail] (Michael Solinas)>
Micro-Medic BBS                                            (408)
280-1610Mike,Not sure if you received last reply.  I am using a
modem of my own designwhich was adapted from the exar 2206/2211
app note.  I am using this withpmp v1.1 and have excellent
results.  If you need a cop of the article fromAug 73  or the
S/W let me know.  The S/W is available off the Hamnet BBSat
2169426382.  By the way I could use some 2206's & 2211's.73 Joe
Ke6ha @WA8BXN.#neoh.oh.usa.na
------------------------------Date: 15 Apr 92 02:20:49 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!metro!grivel!ipso![e-mail]:
Why segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd to kbd)To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>    [e-mail]
(Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:>I see you've never
experienced a mixture of exponential- and
linear-backoff>stations on a single channel before.  I have.
The result is that the>exponential-backoff stations essentially
lose the frequency because the linear>backoff scheme is
inherently more aggressive.  Even on mode VC connections:>a
simple AX.25 connect from an exponential-backoff NOS still loses
the>frequency to linear-backoff stations.Hmmm...  Wouldn't the
linear-backoff people time out first?  I'm one ofthe few people
in my area using p-persistence, and it seems that underheavy
congestion, the FRACK/DWAIT brigade time out before I do...--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @
[e-mail]
...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave       ADA - from the people who
brought you COBOL------------------------------Date: 14 Apr 1992
06:11:57 -0700From: [e-mail]: Wireless
LANsTo: [e-mail]  Anyone out there have experience
on Commercial off The ShelfWireless LAN
products?+-------------------------------------------------------
--------------+   FROM:   David Sweigert  c/o   Boeing Aerospace
Operations   M/S  FA-71
[e-mail]   Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899
  FAX  [phone]
VOICE
867-4848+--------------------------------------------------------
-------------+------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
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Returned Mail ---------------------------------------------Date:
15 Apr 1992 08:06:57 -0700From:
[e-mail]: FLEXNET help and contact
BAYCOMTo: [e-mail] allHaveing had a NULL responce
from contact with FLEXNET Group in GermanyI wish to Know if any
one else in the World has had any Luck?? Ive writtenEmailed ax25
and visited the so called place where its sold and Sitll
comecome up with a big Nothing..I would like to make contact
with BAYCOM Group now to get info on theBAYCOM-NODE think the
latest version is Ver 1.5f  it compatible with FLEXNETbut with
out the hassel of getting the software and the hardwareSo has
any one any contact info THAT is reliable and Likley to respond
toQuestions.. for BayCom-Node software and SCC hardwareOR: if
any one has had suscessful contact with the FLEXNET
Group.ThanksEmail only replies [[e-mail]]
GM8SAUThanks Barry.------------------------------Date: 15 Apr 92
15:57:45 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!convex!news.utdallas.edu!tamsun!inet
g1!ut-emx![e-mail]: Guide to
various flavors of NOS?To: [e-mail] around
on ucsd.edu,  I've noticed that there are a quitea few KA9Q-NOS
derivatives and ports available.  Many of themprovide little
documentation, not even a readme with a "What thisis" statement,
in the ftp directory.  Is there any sort of a guide available
for what version of NOS does what?  Don
[e-mail].S. If there's a KA9Q/NOS
specific mailing list, could someone send me the address?
------------------------------Date: 15 Apr 92 17:32:40 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv![e-mail]
ubject: HELPTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(ASQP-NBF) writes:>I have a problem and I hope that I'm not the
only one.>Could someone explain in SIMPLE terms whats the
difference>between NOS,TCIP/IP, TNC 1 and 2,KA9?, and running a
KAM or MFJ 1278>TNC.Well, I'll take a stab at it.NOS     This
stands for Network Operating System, a bit of
braggadocio    describing the latest versions of Phil Karn, KA9Q's,
implementation    of TCP/IP for amateurs. It's a program that runs
under DOS on PCs    that implements the TCP/IP protocol stack and
several clients and    servers such as telnet, ftp, and smtp. Older
versions of the program    were simply called NET and have been
ported to the Mac, Amiga, and    various Unix boxes. There are now
several flavors of NOS by different    implementors. They all
interoperate and generally follow Phil's    original
work.TCP/IP    Transmission Control Protocol, Internet Protocol.
This is a protocol    stack originally developed for DOD use to
interconnect different    computers over diverse link level
networks. In amateur practice,    it allows data streams to be
interchanged between different kinds    of computers over the AX25
link level networks. It is nominally    a datagram system that
theoretically has the ability to route    each packet individually
over the current best route while maintaining    data integrity
through end to end acknowledgements. It is the most    widely used
computer networking protocol stack.    TNC1    This is an obsolete bit
of hardware developed by TAPR, the Tucson    Amateur Packet Radio
organization. It was the first widely available    TNC kit based on
a Motorola processor.TNC2    This was the second TNC designed by
TAPR. It and it's clones are    the standard amateur TNC. It's
based on the popular Z80 chipset.KAM    This is one of the wonder
boxes, others are the AEA PK232 and    the MFJ1278. These so called
multi-mode units can do packet,    RTTY, WEFAX, and CW. (A personal
aside: like most do everything    systems, they do nothing
particularly well.) They are fine for    people who wish to sample
several operating modes.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992
16:19:36 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!grian!puffin![e-mail]
ubject: HELP ka9q mailers address protocolTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (ken hopkins) writes:>Hi Ted. I believe
the correct syntax is...>[e-mail]. For me that
would be>[e-mail]. You'll see things likeThis is
an entirely local thing with EACH INDIVIDUAL STATION.I and one
other here (I'm running net under unix; he's running NOS
underDOS) use our first names as the primary mailbox and have
(since the"safe" custom seems to be [e-mail])
aliases to pointthe callsign to the name.  In the case of unix,
there isn't a user hereknown as "k6jrr" - the callsign is almost
always an alias.  Just as ininternet mail you are supposed to
support mail to several addresses thatare almost always aliases,
("postmaster" is one), hams "should" support mailto their
callsign, either as an alias or mailbox.>ken@wa9wcp but that's a
local issue and requires>an alias file to translate ken back to
wa9wcp.That can vary (see above).  One should support mail to
his callsign, and ifyou mail to someone you don't know, it
should be "safe".If you prefer mail to some other name, either
your "from" or "reply-to"lines should reflect that, or your
signature line(s) should.>I have the full blown wnos3 including
source code>but it has to bee compiled with Turbo C.-- Pete
(k6jrr) ([e-mail])------------------------------Date: 15
Apr 92 18:55:58 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!pitt.edu!drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.
cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu![e-mail]
D.EDUSubject: Macintosh SoftKiss -- software tncTo:
[e-mail] connects a modem directly to a
macintosh.  This saves having aTNC.  Softkiss will work with 300
baud HF, 1200 baud VHF and higherbaudrates.  The software is in
the early stages of development and isnot useful in everyday
work at this time.You can send test packets and recieve/print
packets at this time.The test programs are available via
anonymous ftp from hostakutaktak.andrew.cmu.edu [128.2.35.1] in
/aw0g/softkiss1f.hqxChanges since the last release:  You can
test transmit, recieve,interrupts, dual port simultainious
recieve, support 300 baud,use power manager on power
books/portables.If you are working on hardware and want to test
your hardwarepick up this release.  If you want a complete
usable software packagewait for a later
release.Aaron------------------------------Date: 15 Apr 1992
09:25:51 -0700From: [e-mail]: WIRELESS
LAN (DAVID SWEIGERT)To: [e-mail] HAVE BEEN
USING THE TELELAN SYSTEM HERE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS. AND HAVE
USEDTHE WAVELAN AND WAN ON DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. IF YOU LIKE YOU
CAN CALL OR EMAILME YOUR QUESTIONS AND I WILL TRY TO HELP.PHONE
[phone]EMAILDon R. Moberly:El Segundo:XeroxINTERNET
13.1.205.4773 DON------------------------------End of
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Digest V92 #102To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Fri,
17 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 102Today's Topics:
                   (none)                           EPROM
collection                  Packet Radio in Cincinnati area??
              SUB PACKET-RADIO DIGEST GREG HORESend Replies or
notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
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intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 16 Apr 1992 07:34:17 -0700From:
[e-mail]: (none)To:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 16
Apr 1992 13:47:45 -0700From: [e-mail]:
EPROM collectionTo: [e-mail] any one a eprom
file collection ?I ask for various versions to mention them
here.73 de####################################################
        George Katsimaglis  SV1BDS  [KM17VX]  ## P-mail  :
[e-mail]               ## amprnet :
[e-mail]  [44.154.1.3]  ## E-mail  :
[e-mail]                ##
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####################################################
------------------------------Date: 16 Apr 92 18:31:46 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!
uwm.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!dartvax![e-mail]
.EDUSubject: Packet Radio in Cincinnati area??To:
[e-mail] I'll be moving to Cincinnati in July
sometime to start apostdoctoral research position at UCinn and
was wondering about packetradio in the area.  Can anyone tell me
about the user freqs (i.e 2m,220, 440?), any tcp/ip gateways,
etc.  Any help would be appreciated. Responses are preferred by
Email to:           [e-mail].s.  If you
want to help me find a place to live in the Clifton orHyde Park
area for me, my wife, 2 1/2 kids, 2 cats and dog, that wouldbe
great too, :-)73 de WM1Y,
Jeff------------------------------Date: 16 Apr 1992 19:51:33
-0700From: [e-mail]: SUB PACKET-RADIO
DIGEST GREG HORETo: [e-mail] PACKET-RADIO DIGEST
GREG HORE------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
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Digest V92 #103To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
18 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 103Today's Topics:
    A Packet/Amtor hybrid called PactorARRL's "Business Rule"
proposal - automatic retransmission prohibited?
FLEXNET help and contact BAYCOM (2 msgs)                    Help
with KA9Q and ethernet!!!                        SCO XENIX BBS
SoftwareSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 17:53:23 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!csus.edu!netcomsv!mork![e-mail]:
A Packet/Amtor hybrid called PactorTo: [e-mail]
was talking to a ham acquaintance of mine, VE3FZK (Andy), the
otherday, and he mentioned that his radio experimenter's club
had a talk onPacktor (sp?) the other evening.  He described it
as a hybrid betweenAmtor and Packet.  Apparently, a group in
Germany developed it andeven sells a box that does Packtor,
baudot, amtor, and rtty, but NOT Packet.The Packtor mode gives
pretty good throughput on the hf bands, and hewas interested in
getting some folks working with it.  One of themembers of his
club was working on translation of some german languagearticles
on the subject.  His goal is to make some boxes here for justthe
Packtor mode, since we should be able to come up with the
talentand materials here in Silicon valley. (Please, no
flames.)Are there any other net readers working on Packtor that
would like tocoordinate with a group out here in the San
Francisco area?  Let meknow.  If anyone has information on this
mode of operation, maybe youhave some articles, or have a
working system, please drop us a line.73 de KD6FDO-- Hugh
Bussell    KD6FDO    [e-mail]       "You can't have
everything.[phone]    hm                 Where would you put it?"(415)
493-6700    wk------------------------------Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992
17:46:07 GMTFrom:
usc!news.bbn.com!noc.near.net!gateway!pictel![e-mail]
USubject: ARRL's "Business Rule" proposal - automatic
retransmission prohibited?To: [e-mail] read in the
March(?) QST that the ARRL requested that the FCC changetheir
rules slightly on the "Business" use of ham radio.  Most of
itseemed to make pretty good sense, but buried at the end of
theirproposal was a section that "With the exception of stations
inAuxiliary, Repeater, and Space operations, amateur stations
areprohibited from automatically retransmitting other
amateur'stransmissions." or some such.  Sounds to me like a big
problem forpacket operations....  Did anyone else catch this, or
did I just readit wrong?Willie
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 16 Apr
92 23:48:42 GMTFrom:
swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!spacm1.spac.spc.com!xenon!skyld!jangus
@network.UCSD.EDUSubject: FLEXNET help and contact BAYCOMTo:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:  >   > Hi all  > Haveing had a
NULL responce from contact with FLEXNET Group in Germany  > I
wish to Know if any one else in the World has had any Luck?? Ive
written  > Emailed ax25 and visited the so called place where
its sold and Sitll come  > come up with a big Nothing..  > I
would like to make contact with BAYCOM Group now to get info on
the  > BAYCOM-NODE think the latest version is Ver 1.5f  it
compatible with FLEXNET  > but with out the hassel of getting
the software and the hardware  > So has any one any contact info
THAT is reliable and Likley to respond to  > Questions.. for
BayCom-Node software and SCC hardware  > OR: if any one has had
suscessful contact with the FLEXNET Group.  > Thanks  > Email
only replies [[e-mail]]  GM8SAU  > Thanks Barry.  >
PacComm Packet Radio Systems, Inc.4413 N. Hesperides
StreetTampa, FL 33614-76181 813 874-2980 Business office1 813
875 6417 Technical support1 813 872 8696 Fax[phone]
E-mailThey are now 'the' source for the BayComm group. They
(PacComm) have signedan aggreement with them (BayComm) to handle
their product line of hardwareand software.[Note: Editorial
opinion follows]------------------------------Date: Fri, 17 Apr
1992 16:54:17 GMTFrom:
theory.TC.Cornell.EDU![e-mail]:
FLEXNET help and contact BAYCOMTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Angus)
writes:>[Note: Editorial opinion follows]>>From the beginning,
Florain, DL8MBT and the others have devoted a HUGE amount>of
personal effort to Digicom and (now) BayComm and have seen
others make a>large profit from their efforts. BayComm has gone
commercial to help defray>the costs of development, and have
chosen PacComm to act as their distributor.[Soapbox
on]Unfortuantely, I'm afraid that "others making a profit from
their efforts" islargely their fault.  They waited far too long
to "go commercial".  They'vebeen approached by several companies
who wanted to market their hardware andsoftware and these
companies were turned away (so I've heard).When you label
something as freely distributable, you are giving it away.To
expect any compensation is absurd.  I've gotten less than $100
in shareware-type donations for my Poor Man's Packet program and
I'm surprisedI've gotten this much.I'm not discounting the work
of the Baycom team.  They've put a lot ofeffort into Baycom and
it is a wonderful program.  However, a little morebusiness sense
on their part might have made their lives happier.  I hopetheir
deal with PacComm works out for them.-- =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =Andrew C.
Payne, N8KEI        UUCP:  ...!cornell!batcomputer!payne
                 INTERNET:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 18 Apr
92 04:29:40 GMTFrom:
ogicse!willamette.edu![e-mail]: Help with KA9Q
and ethernet!!!To: [e-mail] anyone here have
any experience with using KA9Q with an ethernet
network?Specifically, I am trying to use KA9Q to attach a remote
computer to anethernet, routing the packets through a PC
attached to the net that is alsorunning KA9Q.  At the moment, I
am stuck with trying to attach the ethernetcard
d------------------------------Date: 17 Apr 1992 07:31:07
-0700From: [e-mail]: SCO XENIX BBS
SoftwareTo: [e-mail]  Subject:  Software that has
BBS functionality that runs on SCO XENIX  Discussion:  Are there
any hams out there who know of ham packet BBS software thatruns
on top of a SCO XENIX platform.  I want to put a BBS on the air
andam running SCO.  I think the operating system itself is very
BBSish,however, to forward and receive mail via IP routing is
another story.  Thank
you...+----------------------------------------------------------
-----------+   FROM:   David Sweigert  c/o   Boeing Aerospace
Operations   M/S  FA-71
[e-mail]   Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899
  FAX  [phone]
VOICE
867-4848+--------------------------------------------------------
-------------+------------------------------Date: (null)From:
(null)[End of opinion, return to real world]--xenon!skyld!jangus
  < This space left blank intentionally. >J Angus, PO Box 4425,
Carson CA 90749-4425 voice (310)
324-6080------------------------------Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992
23:05:00 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.in
s.cwru.edu!ncoast![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>coastReply-To :
[e-mail] (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)Subject : Re: Why
segregate TCP/IP? (was Re: kbd to kbd)As quoted from
<[e-mail]> by [e-mail] (Dave
Horsfall):+---------------| Hmmm...  Wouldn't the linear-backoff
people time out first?  I'm one of| the few people in my area
using p-persistence, and it seems that under| heavy congestion,
the FRACK/DWAIT brigade time out before I
do...+---------------Only if they time each other out.  The
problem is thus:* linear and exponential nodes collide* both
delay one quantum* linear and exponential station collide again*
linear delays one quantum, exponential delays two* linear
transmits* exponential finds channel busy, delays four quanta*
and so on...Sicne the linear timeout node won't wait as long as
the exponential timeoutnode, the linear node will capture the
frequency; the exponential node willjust sit there finding the
channel busy and waiting ever longer.  I've seen itin action,
back when NOS only had exponential timeouts.One learns to love
the KICK command under those conditions.++Brandon-- Brandon S.
Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]        [e-mail]
Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself
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ate: 19 Apr 92 22:49:38 GMTFrom:
olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea![e-mail]:
automatic control (was: Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problem)To:
[e-mail] my certain knowledge, the BBS moderators
do indeed have restrictions on whatis allowed on the
boards...but like the FCC, they have a bit of troubleenforcing
their wishes. They, like the FCC, depend mostly on the goodwill
ofthe users. The whole concept of not taking responsibilty for a
message youforward is difficult to defend. I could change
"MYCALL" to anybodies I wanted,enter some drivel in a PBBS and
you say that this message should be forwardedwithout any thought
to content? Shouldn't somebody be responsible? The most likely
course the FCC will take, assuming that your opinion is the
oneheld by most hams, is to shut down automatic forwarding of
anything. What theydon't want is more headaches from us... pat
nq7m * Origin: Radio Therapy BBS * 509.534.7924 *
(1:346/3)------------------------------Date: 19 Apr 92 20:49:44
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!bradle
y.bradley.edu!camelot![e-mail]:
BaycomTo: [e-mail]..I just downloaded the
Baycom software and I was wondering,How do you hook a modem up
to your radio? The docs don't really go into thehardware all
that much, but it seems like you can use just a standard
oldmodem.. is that true? this seems different from PMP.  Can
someone clarifythis for me?ThanksMatt,
KF8OH--==========================================================
=====================| Matt Weisberg, KF8OH        MILLIWAYS -
Computers, Peripherals & Consulting ||
[e-mail]            Authorized Altima &
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Southfield, Michigan          ||              Voice: (313)
350-0503    BBS: (313)
553-9274=========================================================
======================------------------------------Date: Sun,
19 Apr 1992 21:22:48 GMTFrom:
theory.TC.Cornell.EDU![e-mail]:
BaycomTo: [e-mail] article
<moodyblu.703716584@camelot> [e-mail]
(Matthew Weisberg) writes:>I just downloaded the Baycom software
and I was wondering,>How do you hook a modem up to your radio?
The docs don't really go into the>hardware all that much, but it
seems like you can use just a standard old>modem.. is that true?
this seems different from PMP.  Can someone clarify>this for
me?In general, telephone modems won't work for 1200 baud packet
(the exceptionis old Bell 202 modems).Baycom uses a small
external modem that is very similar to PMP's modem:  it has some
additional hardware for RS-232 level conversion.  Look in QST,
73,etc. for companies selling Baycom-compatible modems (kits and
assembled).-- =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =Andrew C. Payne, N8KEI        UUCP:
...!cornell!batcomputer!payne                          INTERNET:
 [e-mail]------------------------------Date: 19 Apr
92 23:49:18 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.e
du!nic.umass.edu!hamp.hampshire.edu![e-mail]
ject: BaycomTo: [e-mail] article
<moodyblu.703716584@camelot>, [e-mail]
(Matthew Weisberg) writes:> > I just downloaded the Baycom
software and I was wondering,> How do you hook a modem up to
your radio? The docs don't really go into the> hardware all that
much, but it seems like you can use just a standard old> modem..
is that true? this seems different from PMP.  Can someone
clarify> this for me?> What version of the Baycom software did
you download? I know there isnow a version 1.5 which I haven't
looked at yet. The earlier versionshad info on the modem
interface in the doc files that were part of the.zip file.
Basically Baycom similar to PMP except the serial port is used
insteadof the parallel port. The serial port is not used in a
standard way.The DTR line is used for transmit data, the CTS
line is used forreceived data, RTS is used to control the PTT.
The version of the modemI have (from N4PLK) also has a
connection to the normal TxD line, butthis is *not* used for
data at all, it is part of a scheme to deriveoperating power for
the modem from the RS232 port. You can't use a standard modem
because the standard is Bell 212, whichsends data
asynchronously, with stop and start bits. Packet data
usesanother standard (202?) with a different way of encoding the
data,frequency shift rather than phase encoding. It also is a
synchronousprotocol, meaning that the entire packet, up to 128
bytes of info plusflags and header and trailer, is sent as a
continuous stream of bits,without stop and start bits between
the bytes. In fact the concept ofbytes doesn't make sense, you
can't just take every eight bits in thepacket and call it a
byte, because the protocol inserts extra bits intothe body of
the packet as needed to prevent the normal information
fromerroneously duplicating the format of the flag which signals
the end ofthe packet.Although the PMP and Baycom modems are
similar, they are, unfortunately,not identical.  The basic modem
circuit is the same, but the levels andpolarities of the control
lines are different, and the PMP uses anoutput from the modem
chip to signal carrier detect, while the Baycomdoesn't use this
and instead determines from the data line whether validdata is
being received. It would be possible to make a modem that
couldbe jumpered to use with either system, but as far as I know
no-one hasoffered anything like this to the public. 73 de Al
Woodhull
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e: 19 Apr 92 17:36:24 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!tulane!rex!agwbbs!Angelo_Glorioso_Ii
[e-mail]: NOS under G8BPQ: is it worth it,
under what conditions?To: [e-mail] Roy, I am
running a local bbs here in New Orleans with RLI and BPQ
Software.I am interested in using NOS but need to know what is
the best version to run?? So many different versions and types..
Also, where can I get FTP it??73 de Angelo N5UXT @ N5UXTPS: you
have a net startup to go by too??-- Via DLG Pro
v0.991Internet:[e-mail]
Usenet:rex!agwbbs!angelo_glorioso_III  Packet:N5UXT @
N5UXT.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA  Tcp/ip:N5UXT.AMPT.ORG
[44.108.2.13]------------------------------Date: 19 Apr 1992
12:45:59 -0700From: [e-mail]:
[e-mail]
[e-mail], (Murray, Voight)pSubject :
List activity> Date: 18 Apr 92 19:18:51 GMT> From:>
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usene
t.ins.cwru.e>
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Strongsville, OH USAI just signed on to the list yesterday
(4-18-92) and had yourmail this morning.I am working on my code
to get my tech and novice lic. in June.I understand that with
packet one can move files and informationaround between
computers similar to a modem and phone line.There seems to be a
lot more to it than that.  Is there a FAQthat I could pick up
that might give me some of the
basics?Thanks~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Murray Voight
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ate: 19 Apr 92 22:49:38 GMTFrom:
olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea![e-mail]
Subject:automatic control (was: Help 2nd try tcpip ka9q problem)
To:[e-mail] my certain knowledge, the BBS
moderators do indeed have restrictions on whatis allowed on the
boards...but like the FCC, they have a bit of troubleenforcing
their wishes. They, like the FCC, depend mostly on the goodwill
ofthe users. The whole concept of not taking responsibilty for a
message youforward is difficult to defend. I could change
"MYCALL" to anybodies I wanted,enter some drivel in a PBBS and
you say that this message should be forwardedwithout any thought
to content? Shouldn't somebody be responsible?  The mostlikely
course the FCC will take, assuming that your opinion is the one
held bymost hams, is to shut down automatic forwarding of
anything. What they don'twant is more headaches from us... pat
nq7m * Origin: Radio Therapy BBS * 509.534.7924 *
(1:346/3)------------------------------Date: 19 Apr 92 20:49:44
GMTFrom:swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.ed
u!bradley.bradley.edu!camelot![e-mail] Subject:
BaycomTo: [e-mail]..I just downloaded the
Baycom software and I was wondering, How do you hook amodem up
to your radio? The docs don't really go into the hardware all
thatmuch, but it seems like you can use just a standard old
modem.. is that true?this seems different from PMP.  Can someone
clarify this for me?ThanksMatt,
KF8OH--==========================================================
=====================| Matt Weisberg, KF8OH        MILLIWAYS -
Computers, Peripherals & Consulting ||
[e-mail]            Authorized Altima &
D-Link Dealer   || Packet: KF8OH @ N9HWO
Southfield, Michigan          ||              Voice: (313)
350-0503    BBS: (313)
553-9274=========================================================
======================------------------------------Date: Sun,
19 Apr 1992 21:22:48 GMTFrom:
theory.TC.Cornell.EDU![e-mail] Subject:
BaycomTo: [e-mail] article
<moodyblu.703716584@camelot> [e-mail]
(MatthewWeisberg) writes: >I just downloaded the Baycom software
and I was wondering,>How do you hook a modem up to your radio?
The docs don't really go into the>hardware all that much, but it
seems like you can use just a standard old>modem.. is that true?
this seems different from PMP.  Can someone clarify>this for
me?In general, telephone modems won't work for 1200 baud packet
(the exception isold Bell 202 modems).Baycom uses a small
external modem that is very similar to PMP's modem:  ithas some
additional hardware for RS-232 level conversion.  Look in QST,
73,etc. for companies selling Baycom-compatible modems (kits and
assembled).-- =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =Andrew C. Payne, N8KEI        UUCP:
...!cornell!batcomputer!payne                          INTERNET:
 [e-mail]------------------------------Date: 19 Apr
92 23:49:18
GMTFrom:swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.mth
olyoke.edu!nic.umass.edu!hamp.hampshire.edu![e-mail]
D.EDU Subject: BaycomTo: [e-mail] article
<moodyblu.703716584@camelot>, [e-mail]
(MatthewWeisberg) writes:> > I just downloaded the Baycom
software and I was wondering, > How do you hooka modem up to
your radio? The docs don't really go into the > hardware all
thatmuch, but it seems like you can use just a standard old >
modem.. is that true?this seems different from PMP.  Can someone
clarify > this for me?> What version of the Baycom software did
you download? I know there is now aversion 1.5 which I haven't
looked at yet. The earlier versions had info on themodem
interface in the doc files that were part of the .zip file.
Basically Baycom similar to PMP except the serial port is used
instead of theparallel port. The serial port is not used in a
standard way. The DTR line isused for transmit data, the CTS
line is used for received data, RTS is used tocontrol the PTT.
The version of the modem I have (from N4PLK) also has
aconnection to the normal TxD line, but this is *not* used for
data at all, itis part of a scheme to derive operating power for
the modem from the RS232port. You can't use a standard modem
because the standard is Bell 212, which sendsdata
asynchronously, with stop and start bits. Packet data uses
anotherstandard (202?) with a different way of encoding the
data, frequency shiftrather than phase encoding. It also is a
synchronous protocol, meaning that theentire packet, up to 128
bytes of info plus flags and header and trailer, issent as a
continuous stream of bits, without stop and start bits between
thebytes. In fact the concept of bytes doesn't make sense, you
can't just takeevery eight bits in the packet and call it a
byte, because the protocol insertsextra bits into the body of
the packet as needed to prevent the normalinformation from
erroneously duplicating the format of the flag which signalsthe
end of the packet.Although the PMP and Baycom modems are
similar, they are, unfortunately, notidentical.  The basic modem
circuit is the same, but the levels and polaritiesof the control
lines are different, and the PMP uses an output from the
modemchip to signal carrier detect, while the Baycom doesn't use
this and insteaddetermines from the data line whether valid data
is being received. It would bepossible to make a modem that
could be jumpered to use with either system, butas far as I know
no-one has offered anything like this to the public. 73 de Al
Woodhull
[e-mail]------------------------------Dat
e: 19 Apr 92 17:36:24
GMTFrom:swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!tulane!rex!agwbbs!Angelo_Glo
[e-mail] Subject: NOS under G8BPQ: is it worth
it, under what conditions? To:[e-mail] Roy, I am
running a local bbs here in New Orleans with RLI and BPQ
Software. I aminterested in using NOS but need to know what is
the best version to  run?? Somany different versions and types..
Also, where can I get FTP it??73 de Angelo N5UXT @ N5UXTPS: you
have a net startup to go by too??-- Via DLG Pro
v0.991Internet:[e-mail]
Usenet:rex!agwbbs!angelo_glorioso_III  Packet:N5UXT @
N5UXT.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA  Tcp/ip:N5UXT.AMPT.ORG
[44.108.2.13]------------------------------Date: 19 Apr 1992
12:45:59 -0700From: [e-mail]:
[e-mail]
[e-mail], (Murray, Voight)p Subject :
Listactivity> Date: 18 Apr 92 19:18:51 GMT>
From:>swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
!usenet.ins.cwru.e>
!ncoast!nshore!wariat!hernix![e-mail] > Subject:
active group?> To: [e-mail]>> Is this group active?
 I have not seen any postings for a week. >> -->
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   This space left blank> [phone] login:  bbs
       intentionaly> Strongsville, OH USAI just signed on to the
list yesterday (4-18-92) and had your mail thismorning.I am
working on my code to get my tech and novice lic. in June.I
understand that with packet one can move files and information
around betweencomputers similar to a modem and phone line. There
seems to be a lot more to itthan that.  Is there a FAQ that I
could pick up that might give me some of
thebasics?Thanks~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Murray Voight
                 |[e-mail]       Internet
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   |El Paso, Texas
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ate: 20 Apr 92 20:58:46 GMTFrom:
idacrd![e-mail]: AEA's DSP2232To:
[e-mail] long last, the fully operational
software is onboard the DSP2232.It does everything promised and
more:  It does two ports simultaneouslywith several modes
paired.  I am given to understand that the ownerof LL Grace (and
manufacturer of the DSP-12) has been telling peopleall over the
world that the DSP2232 would never support dual ports asthere
wasn't enough time on the DSP chip.  Hogwash.  The chip has 50%
ofthe ticks free when running a VHF modem on one port and HF
modem on theother.  At this time I am working on getting two
9600 bps modems torun.  There the timing of events is critical.
Each radio side has tobe serviced at 76400 samples per second.
With a trick I can do withone of the unused chip selects, I can
see what kind of time the programspends in the idle loop.  It is
also spending less than 50 % of the timedoing real work.
However!  There is extra overhead in servicing two
differentradios at once.  BEFORE YOU BUY A Multimode controller
of any variety,consider this box.  It is definitely the most
capable at this time.  Ifyou are going to the Dayton hamvention
or to the LA hamvention, you willbe able to see all the toys
displayed.  The modems onboard the last ROMI shipped:Packet:HF
300 bps, Bel202 1200 bps (both standard packet modes), 2400
bps(KAM 2400 or AEA PK-90 standard), PSK 1200 and 4800 bps,
PACSAT modemsat 1200 and 4800 bps, MSK at 1200 and 2400 bps,
K9NG or G3RUH at 9600 bps.I have implemented a decision feedback
equalizer in the G3RUH modem whichGREATLY improves the copy of
UO-22 for example.  The dual port modemsin the box at this time
are  HF 300 bps and VHF 1200 bps packet,  twoVHF ports, and
baudot/amtor and VHF packet (what???  yes apparently thiswould
be very popular with the DX cluster folks, we'll see).  I am
workingon two 9600's side by side.  Stand by for further news on
this.  On thedual port stuff, the host side software is FULLY
operational.  I monitortwo channels at once without aid of
special software and gateway from oneside to the other is as
easy as digipeating via the gateway call sign.(Look out KAM).
We will support ALL HF modes paired
simultaneously.Baudot/AMTORThere is every conceivable shift and
tone pair and your favorite is notthere, it is only software.  I
regularly copy 170/425/ and 850 Hz shiftstuff listed in the
listening times.  There work as well as the PK-232and can be
made better when I have more time.Miscellaneous:Morse:This
turned out to be quite an interesting exercise.  I did a neat
trickthat improved the performance of this demod over most that
do morse.  Thereal problem with others morse demods is that they
are compromises; addons as an afterthought because you cannot
have a multimode without morse,etc.  This modem is killing an
ant with an atom bomb, great filters, greatalgorithm for
detection, etc.Grey Scale Fax, and SSTV:I implemented grey scale
WEFAX, APT, and SSTV demods.  I wrote an applicationto display
these.  The application needs work, the demods do not.  If
youare not looking at the weather charts or the sat photos, you
are missinga fun thing.  This box makes it easy.  The standard
will be made public sothat others can do a better job than I
since I have little interest insupporting such an application.
The basic operation is quite simple:Data is sent out as 8 bit
pixel values, this is frequency for the WEFAXand SSTV or
amplitude for APT.  There are several people working on
theapplication for AEA and this has not all crystallized but the
basicfunctionality is there.Spectrum analysis:I did a 512 point
real valued FFT (using the old trick of doing it witha 256 pt
complex) and then formatted the data to be sent out the
serialport.  This is displayed with an application I wrote.  It
is pretty neatto have amplitude and phase plots for you receiver
looking at both knownand unknown signals.Automatic Gain
Control:There are several modes for which this is a must, there
are several modesfor which this is a bust (PSK from AO-16 for
the former and WEFAX-APT forthe latter or morse for examples).
There is a no compromise attitudewith this now.  It drastically
changes the performance of the modems.The modems are now stored
with AGC state settings in them.  There are severaldifferent AGC
settings, off, on, more on, different time constants forattack
and decay, etc.   This was a brilliant piece of retro
engineering forAEA by Al Chandler and it fits right into the
existing units.  If you havenot gotten this retrofit, it is now
an absolute must.  Call them up andthey will be happy to do it.
By the way, if you have an application forwhich you do not want
AGC or wish to provide your own, you can change theAGC from the
command line.DCD thresholds:DCD thresholds are set from the
command line.  For those modems which operateon coherence of
carrier detection or coherence in the data detection, you needto
set the threshold for your radios.  This is done via the command
if you findthat the default setting is inappropriate for your
lash up.Experimenters kit:Many have asked me when and whether
there would be an experimenters kit(you can download modems you
write to the unit).  I cannot give you anexact date.  The fully
operational stuff has been delayed enough thatthere has not been
enough time to even think about it.  Now that themajor hurdles
are behind us,  we can begin to work on this in earnest.The
bottom line is that the unit is fully operational, and to my
mind,it now exceeds what I thought its potential would be.  This
is a functionof my having gotten better at DSP and the folks at
AEA (Steve Stuart andAl Chandler) working very hard with me.
For those of you with the unitsalready, it is about to get
amazingly better.   Stop by the AEA booth in Dayton and see
it.Bob McGwier, N4HY------------------------------Date: 20 Apr
92 19:21:39 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usene
t.ins.cwru.edu!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!mwvm.mitre.org!M16146@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: A Packet/Amtor hybrid called PactorTo:
[e-mail] is being marketed in the US (Canada
too is my guess) by PACCOM.  Thedirector of PACCOM spoke at TAPR
'92 in Tucson on the product.  Not sure ifThey are the only
distributers or not.  Reason for marketing via second partyis
economics of European manufacturing - cheaper to build and
distribute here.Vern Eubanks, AA7EI,
[e-mail].s. will probably see this at Dayton if
you are going (I am).------------------------------Date: 20 Apr
92 13:37:40 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!cs.tamu.edu![e-mail]
ct: ARRL's "Business Rule" proposal - automatic retransmission
prohibited?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Willie
Smith) writes:|> I read in the March(?) QST that the ARRL
requested that the FCC change|> their rules slightly on the
"Business" use of ham radio.  Most of it|> seemed to make pretty
good sense, but buried at the end of their|> proposal was a
section that "With the exception of stations in|> Auxiliary,
Repeater, and Space operations, amateur stations are|>
prohibited from automatically retransmitting other amateur's|>
transmissions." or some such.  Sounds to me like a big problem
for|> packet operations....  Did anyone else catch this, or did
I just read|> it wrong?At first glance, this is a paraphrase of
97.113(f), and as such still mayconflict (IMVHO) with 97.109(e)
UNLESS the packet system is classified asa repeater -- even if
it only uses one frequency.  Not a very satisfactoryexplanation.
 I too, am bothered that the ARRL chose to use the phrase"other
amateur's transmissions" rather than the current "radio
signals".Sounds like it is aimed directly at packet.I think the
current packet mode of operation should be explicitly
recognizedrather than force people (even EICs) to interpret
rules that clearlydo not directly apply.Willis
n5szf------------------------------Date: 21 Apr 92 01:16:52
GMTFrom:
swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network
.UCSD.EDUSubject: ARRL's "Business Rule" proposal - automatic
retransmission prohibited?To: [e-mail]
rec.radio.amateur.packet, [e-mail] (Willie Smith)
writes:>"With the exception of stations in>Auxiliary, Repeater,
and Space operations, amateur stations are>prohibited from
automatically retransmitting other amateur's>transmissions." or
some such.  Sounds to me like a big problem for>packet
operations....  I don't think this would apply to most packet
stations.  Packet stationsdo not retransmit other transmissions
-- rather they receive a packetstore it temporarily and then
retransmit the packet.AL N1AL------------------------------Date:
Tue, 21 Apr 1992 08:24:23 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
bject: ARRL's "Business Rule" proposal - automatic
retransmission prohibited?To: [e-mail] legal
definition of a "repeater" is one I know we've bouncedaround on
the ARRL Digital Committee for some time without muchresolution.
 I think it's important because of the rules limitingrepeaters
to certain frequency subbands. E.g., is a "digipeater" on145.6
Mhz legal? The FCC has never really ruled on this issue.I would
like to see a "repeater" defined for the purposes of the rulesas
a device that automatically retransmits signals *without
beinguniquely and specifically addressed* in some way by the
station beingrepeated.An ordinary FM voice repeater would
certainly qualify, since there'snothing special about the
signals it repeats. (Ordinary PL toneswouldn't qualify as
"specific addresses" since they're not unique.)But a digipeater
or IP router would not be considered a repeaterbecause they
don't relay traffic unless they are specificallyaddressed and
asked to do so, either by callsign or IP address (bothbeing
unique). So you could put them anywhere the modulation methodis
allowed.A voice "repeater" that required some form of digital PL
with uniquecodes could also escape being confined to the
repeater subbands.  Buton the other hand, a simple "bent-pipe"
regenerating digital repeaterwould have to operate in the
repeater subbands since it's notspecifically addressed by its
users; there's no way that someonetransmitting on its input
could ask it to not relay his signals.I think this would be a
good definition because the whole reason forrepeater subbands in
the first place was to keep them off frequencieswhere they might
repeat signals unintentionally. This is simply not aproblem if
the user has to specifically ask the system to repeat
hissignals.Phil------------------------------Date: 20 Apr 92
11:31:42 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!level
s![e-mail]: Baycom USCC Karte Details
anyone ?To: [e-mail] anyone have any
information on the Baycom USCC Karte card that is nowsupported
by BPQ in 4.05. Can instructions/layouts/kits/complete unitsbe
obtained anywhere ... prices ?73's ... Rob--   _--_/\   rob
mayfield     [technical analyst][vk5 net44 co-or] australian /
oz  \  internet         [e-mail]
submarine/   vk   \ packet (ampr)    vk5xxx@vk5xip.#sa.aus.oc
        corporation\   __   / applelink        aust0177    or
 [e-mail] \_/  *_/  african swallow  po box
46, henley beach            [phone]h       o   *here!
   south australia, 5022
[phone]w------------------------------Date: 21 Apr 92
03:52:15 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!lll-winken!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!
eff!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nic.umass.edu!hamp.hampshire.
edu![e-mail]: BayCom v1.5 - no docs on
interfaceTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, I wrote, in response to
a query from [e-mail] abouthooking up a
computer running BayCom to a modem and radio:> The earlier
versions had info on the modem interface in the doc files> that
were part of the .zip file.  I just unzipped the BayCom version
1.5 file that I had downloaded sometime ago and found that it
doesn't even have a doc file in the usualsense. It does have a
large on-line help file that is designed to beaccessed from the
program itself.  There doesn't seem to be a generaldescription
of the system or the operation of the modem anywhere in thisfile
however. It also has been translated from the German in a
prettyawkward way (which was true of the first version,
too).It's going to be hard for anyone to do anything with this
withoutinformation that is lacking. My own experience trying to
communicatewith the authors of Baycomm, including sending them
in good faith therequested donation, is that although I did
receive an update of theprogram it took many months, and I
received no response to any of thequestions I asked them.I
gather that the authors are annoyed about the way others
havedistributed their work. In the new package they say in the
README filethat they do not allow distribution in conjunction
with any otherproduct (I presume that would mean in conjunction
with a modem kit) byanyone other than their authorized
distributors, of which theyapparently have one in the UK and one
(PacComm) in the US. It seems to me this is a little misguided.
The circuit for the BayCommodem is very simple, even simpler
than the sample circuits given forthe TCM 3105 modem chip by
Texas Instruments in theirTelecommunications Circuits Data Book.
The one element that is not inthe TI data is the use of CMOS
74HC04 inverters to safely connect themodem's TTL level digital
side to the +/- 15 volt RS232 levels of aserial port, but this
is probably not original.  The genius of BayCom(and it is a very
sophisticated program, much more like a full-featuredTNC than
PMP) is the program itself. It seems silly to distribute
thisprogram as shareware and then to get upset about other
people producingthe modem and distributing the software along
with it.When I first became interested in BayCom a year ago I
purchased a modemboard from N4PLK. I don't know if N4PLK is one
of those about whom theBayCom authors are now complaining.  I
certainly don't see anythingwrong with his practices. He
supplied complete information on the designof his board before I
bought one, and the board itself was well made andwas even sold
with an offer to repair it in case of trouble or to refundmy
money if it wouldn't work with my computer. He also supplied a
copyof the complete BayCom software on a disk, and there was
nothing missingfrom it, all of the copyright information and
requests for donations tothe project were intact.My advice to
anyone considering Baycom would be to contact PacComm, findout
what kind of support they are going to offer, but also to try
tofind and download from your favorite ftp site a copy of one of
theearlier versions, 1.2 or 1.4, if only just to get some of
thedocumentation about the modem interface which has been left
out of thenew version. Some time ago I placed a copy of BayCom
version 1.4 on mylocal anonymous ftp area, /pub on
dawn.hampshire.edu, and I will leaveit there even though it is
no longer the most recent version.73 de Al Woodhull
[e-mail]------------------------------Dat
e: 20 Apr 92 16:34:11 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!willamette.edu!jtilton@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: Help with KA9Q and Appletalk...To:
[e-mail] request for help: I'm a member of a group
(that has, you might'venoticed, posted here b4... :) ) that's
attempting to implement ka9q sothat it will allow a remote
computer w/ a packet connection to connectto an Internet site...
specifically, we intend to have the followingsetup:(1) remote
computer... running ka9q, and w/ a TNC(1) appletalk connected
macintosh... running ka9q and connected *both*      to a TNC and
the network(1) Internet connecected unix box... that, hopefully,
the Mac will      reroute incoming radio packets to, via the
Internet.Have people done this successfully?  We can't even seem
to get theMacintosh to recognize it's connected to Appletalk...
let alone theInternet (let alone managing to get access to the
TNC's from the othergroups who also are running up against the
wall.... :(   ).  *PLEASE*respond via e-mail... We've got less
than 48 hours...!                            -et------------------------------Date:
15 Apr 92 16:49:06 GMTFrom:
sbi!pivot-sts!canada![e-mail]: Hudson Division
Convention/HamfestTo: [e-mail]                1992
ARRL HUDSON DIVISION CONVENTION                       co-sponsored by
   Bergen Amateur Radio Association (B.A.R.A.)             Radio
Amateur Telecommunications Society (R.A.T.S.)               Hudson
Amateur Radio Council (H.A.R.C.)                      Saturday
June 6, 1992                       7:00 AM till 4:00 PM
                   Rain or Shine           To be held at:
            FARLEIGH DICKINSON UNIVERSITY
Teaneck, New JerseyFeaturing                        Amateur
Testing                       Novice thru extra
  8:00 AM to 10:00 AM Only          Exam information - contact
Pete K2MHP  [phone]                    (No calls after 10
PM)              Bring Original FCC License and a photo-copy
                                VEC charge $5.25      ARRL and FCC
Forums      Technical Seminars      HAMFEST      Food and Snacks$5.00
ADMISSION                    .Children under 12 FREE
          .Lots of Parking                          .Rest Room
Facilities                             .RefreshmentsVendor
Space            . $30 per indoor space            .$25 per outdoor space with
power provided                .$10 outdoor tailgating spaceTalk-in on
146.19/79 & 146.52 simplex         For vending space
reservations and Hamfest Information -         contact Jim Joyce K2ZO
[phone]                         (No calls after 10 PM)
                    286 Ridgewood Blvd. No.
Washington Twp., N.J. 07675Directions:    From the West....                Take
Garden State Parkway to exit 161 (Route 4 EAST).        Take route 4
East to RIVER ROAD - FARLEIGH DICKINSON exit.        follow signs to
parking area.    From NYC ....        Take George Washington Bridge to
N.J.        take Route 4 West to RIVER ROAD - FARLEIGH DICKINSON
exit.        follow signs to parking area.-- Jerry SimonowitsSalomon
Inc.Internet PlanningSystems
Engineering------------------------------Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1992
19:27:59 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.in
s.cwru.edu!ncoast!nshore!wariat!hernix![e-mail]
ct: NOS for ISCTo: [e-mail] anyone have NOS or
ka9q tcp/ip running on Interactive 386 UNIXV 3.2?  I can't find
it in this area, and would sure like to have it.73 de wb8evi--
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23:30:55 GMTFrom:
rudy.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net![e-mail]: NOS for
ISCTo: [e-mail]> Does anyone have NOS or ka9q
tcp/ip running on Interactive 386 UNIX.It proably would be more
fun if you tried to interface the TCP thatcomes for ISC to an
AX25 driver. It probably wouldn't be too hardto start from the
SUN driver someone posted recently.  I don't doANYTHING with ISC
Unix anymore, there customer support people havepissed me and
our customers off too many times.Now if it were SCO UNIX you
were intersted in...------------------------------Date: 20 Apr
1992 11:27:25 -0700From: [e-mail]:
PacketCluster SYSOPs....To: [e-mail] am one...Bob
(KA4PKB)------------------------------Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1992
13:40:18 GMTFrom:
pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!decvax.dec.com!zk3.dec.com!evans@de
cwrl.dec.comSubject: Yaesu FT-767GX and MFJ-1270 TNC 2
connectionTo: [e-mail] recently acquired a
MFJ-1270 TNC 2 that I would like to hitch it to myYaesu FT-767GX
for packet operation on 2m and 70cm. In reading throughthe
documentation for both the TNC and the Yaesu, I am trying
todetermine what the best technique is to interconnect the two
units.According to the Yaesu manual:    If the TNC has balanced
AFSK tone output (that is, without    any added de-emphasis),
connect the AFSK signal from the    TNC to the outer contact of the
DATA IN/OUT jack: impedance    should be 600 ohms, which
corresponds with most TNCs. Output    signal level from the TNC
should be set to 30mVrms.My question is "Does anybody know if my
TNC fits this characteristic?"Reading the TNC manual does not
seem to provide this information, and Ithought I would ask
before I attack it with test equipment to find out.My option
according to the Yaesu manual, is:    If the TNC has de-emphasis
applied to the AFSK output, the    levels of the two tones will be
different, and must be    re-balanced by pre-emphasis in the
FT-767GX. In this case    connect the AFSK signal from the TNC for
transmission to    the PATCH IN jack (also 600 ohn impedance), but
also adjust    the TNC output level for 2mVrms _maximum_. The PATCH
IN    audio connects in parallel with the microphone audio input.    A
better solution is to remove the de-emphasis, if possible,    and
make connection as described in the predceeding paragraph.I
hoping that the first option presented is what I'll end up
doing, butif not I guess that it isn't a big deal...Thanks in
advance for any recommendations.- Marc--
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==========Marc Evans - [e-mail]           |
Synergytics     [phone]WB1GRH     -
WB1GRH@W2XO.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM   | 21 Hinds Ln, Pelham, NH
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Packet-Radio Digest V92 #106******************************Date:
Wed, 22 Apr 92 04:30:04 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #107To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
22 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 107Today's Topics:ARRL's
"Business Rule" proposal - automatic retransmission prohibited?
           AX.25 Link-Layer Docs (ISO-3309)??? (3 msgs)
        AX25 driver for BAYCOM-like modem              AX25
driver uploaded to ucsd.edu (2 msgs)                 New version
of INTRONOS at ucsd.edu                            NOS <--> Unix
                             PcPakratt                     PMP
with Exar chips (2 msgs)             What exactly is Baycom?
(Beginner question)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 21 Apr 92 23:29:37 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!cs.tamu.edu![e-mail]
ct: ARRL's "Business Rule" proposal - automatic retransmission
prohibited?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alan
Bloom) writes:|> In rec.radio.amateur.packet, [e-mail]
(Willie Smith) writes:|> |> >"With the exception of stations
in|> >Auxiliary, Repeater, and Space operations, amateur
stations are|> >prohibited from automatically retransmitting
other amateur's|> >transmissions." or some such.  Sounds to me
like a big problem for|> >packet operations....  |> |> I don't
think this would apply to most packet stations.  Packet
stations|> do not retransmit other transmissions -- rather they
receive a packet   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^|> store it temporarily and
then retransmit the packet.
^^^^^^^^^^|> |> AL N1ALAl, read what you wrote 8-)."Packet
stations do not retransmit ... rather they ... retransmit the
packet."Maybe 'transmission' could be defined, but I prefer the
old 'radio signals'.Most packet stations (would like to)
consider the message or packet asoriginating at some other
amateur's station.  Therefore the responsibilityfor content is
(primarily) the originating ham.
------------------------------Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1992 18:41:23
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpcc05!hpcc01![e-mail]
bject: AX.25 Link-Layer Docs (ISO-3309)???To:
[e-mail]  Hi-  I have a couple of questions as a
result of trying to implement the  AX.25 Link-Layer Protocol.
I'd appreciate responses from any who  are willing to help me
out!  I have a copy of version 2.0, October 1984, "AX.25 Amateur
Packet-Radio  Link-Layer Protocol" by Terry L. Fox (ARRL).  Is
this the most recent  version of this document?  The document
mentioned above wimps out on detailing the Frame Check  Sequence
(FCS) algorithm by saying "It shall be calculated in  accordance
with ISO 3309 (HDLC) recommendations."  I've searched  the local
library, etc. and haven't come up with anything.  So, where  can
I get a copy of the ISO 3309 document "Data communication --
High-  level data link control procedures -- Frame structure"?
Thanks,  -Ross  P.S. I posted this on April 8th, but it looks
like it didn't make it  out, so here it is again.  Sorry, if
this is a
duplicate...+====================================================
========================+| Ross Wille - N6SJD |  Email:
[e-mail] or [e-mail]   ||  Hewlett
Packard  |   Ham Radio Packet: N6SJD @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA
||   Cupertino,  CA   |       Phone: [phone],  Fax:
[phone]       ||  "Undetectable errors are treated as if
no error occurred." - IBM Manual
|+===============================================================
=============+------------------------------Date: 21 Apr 92
16:02:42 GMTFrom: idacrd![e-mail]: AX.25
Link-Layer Docs (ISO-3309)???To:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 21 Apr
92 20:54:49 GMTFrom: mdisea![e-mail]: AX.25
Link-Layer Docs (ISO-3309)???To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob McGwier) writes:>  Call
the ARRL and ask for the Computer Networking>Conference
proceedings that occurred in Columbia, Md (it is the green>one
;-).To answer the _next_ question, it is [phone]. Gee, I
haven'tworked there in over fifteen years, and I still remember
the number.Seems scary...Jack Brindleham radio: wa4fibinternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Tue,
21 Apr 1992 11:54:00 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!mips!mips!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!dxce
rn!vxcrna.cern.ch![e-mail]: AX25 driver
for BAYCOM-like modemTo: [e-mail] just wrote a
packet driver for BAYCOM (or similar) modem.It allows you to run
AX25 and TCP/IP with KA9Q and simple modem.I'm giving it away to
let everybody try it._Please_ send me success/failure notes and
comments/hints/complaints.            Pawelp.s. By the way if anybody has
some info (application diagram ?)     of AM7910 chip I would
appreciate sharing it with me.section 1 of uuencode 5.02 of file
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file------------------------------Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1992
19:32:00 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!yale
.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!zrz.tu-berlin.de!news
.netmbx.de!Germany.EU.net!mcsun!dxcern!vxcrna.cern.ch!Subject:
AX25 driver uploaded to ucsd.eduTo: [e-mail]
was a problem with posting AX25 packet driver for
BAYCOM-likemodem here so I uploaded it to ucsd.edu in
hamradio/packet/tcpip/incomingdirectory. At the same time I
uploaded there PKTMON12 - a programto monitor HF and VHF packet
traffic with HamComm interface.            Pawel
Jalocha------------------------------Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1992
10:14:00 GMTFrom:
mcsun!dxcern!vxcrna.cern.ch![e-mail]: AX25
driver uploaded to ucsd.eduTo: [e-mail]
preliminary tests of the driver indicated two problems:1.
Something was wrong with p-persistance scheme.   I think I fixed
this problem somehow but I'm not really sure...2. Tx head (tx
delay) was too short. Even it's maximum value (255)   may be too
short in some cases. I made it now two bytes value   and put 500
as default.Thus, I uploaded the "improved" version to ucsd.edu
again.            Pawel Jalocha------------------------------Date: 21 Apr
92 00:14:40 GMTFrom:
psinntp!ncrlnk!ciss!lawday![e-mail]: New version
of INTRONOS at ucsd.eduTo: [e-mail] just uploaded
a new and hopefully finished version of my INTRONOSintroduction
to ham tcp/ip document to thehamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming
directory at ucsd.edu.This document is designed to serve as a
standalone introduction forpacket radio users who want to get
their feet wet with TCP/IP.  It is <not> a redraft of the
reference manual.The new version is called INTRONOS.NEW (until
Brian replaces the oldINTRONOS.ZIP with this new version).  It's
a pkzip archive that includesboth an ASCII version and a Rich
Text Format (.rft) version of thedocument.  The document is
about 35 pages, the archive file about 54klong.I plan to
distribute this more widely; I'll put it at least onCompuServe
and at the major ham radio BS systems.  But it'll be a fewweeks
before it's likely to get there, as I'm working out of town
andtime is at a premium.Enjoy!John
[e-mail]-- John R. Ackermann, Jr.
   Law Department, NCR Corporation, Dayton, Ohio(513) 445-2966
     [e-mail] Radio: ag9v@n8acv
 tcp/ip: [e-mail]
[44.70.12.34]------------------------------Date: 22 Apr 92
04:11:08 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!cs.uoregon.edu!nntp.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.ed
u!ogicse!willamette.edu![e-mail]: NOS
<--> UnixTo: [e-mail] again, I'm a member of a
group that's attempting to use NOS toconnect from a remote
computer, through a PC connected via ethernet, toa Unix running
machine... has anyone implemented this, and would theycare to
share with us how?  The documentation is unfortunately crypticon
the matter (especially since we can't get the troff'ed version
toprint correctly... and the PostScript version isn't all
there... :( ).We're past the bit about getting the machine to
recognize it has anethernet card.. now it'll resolve, but can't
establish a connection to,the internet address we supply... do
we need to put some kind of NOSinterface on the Unix box, too?
I hope not.. shouldn't a telnet be atelnet be a
telnet?Thanks,                    -james tilton
N7XIR------------------------------Date: 21 Apr 92 12:38:49
GMTFrom: mcdhup!viper![e-mail]: PcPakrattTo:
[e-mail] Pakratt doesn't talk in kiss mode. When
you enter KISS ON from Pc Pakratt's Dumb Terminal the program
aborts and exits due to a link error.At that time run a KA9Q
program. I do this by a batch file.Then when in NOS and you want
to exit to a non-kiss mode, tell the TNC then exit, restart Pc
Pakratt (i.e. param ax0 255 ^M, tip tnc^M, KISS OFF)then go to
session manager (F10) and exitRestart PcPakratt for non-kiss
operation If you revolve around two batch files and remember the
above NOS commandyou will always know in what mode you exited. I
usually exit in KISS (That is to say when I exit PcPakkrattI do
not restart NOS, or vice versa) Check it out. 73 de N2OEOREPLY:
viper!n2oeo------------------------------Date: 21 Apr 92
05:05:41 GMTFrom:
csus.edu!netcomsv!micromed![e-mail]: PMP
with Exar chipsTo: [e-mail] posted a message
saying he used Exar chips in a Poor Man's Packet modem.  He
listed a Applications Notes number.  Somehow, I wrote over that
saved file - I don't know how.  Please repost that message!!!
-----------------------------------------------------------------
[e-mail] (Michael
Solinas)Micro-Medic BBS
  [phone]------------------------------Date: 21 Apr 92
15:31:28 ESTFrom:
icd.ab.com!iccgcc.decnet.ab.com![e-mail]: PMP
with Exar chipsTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Michael Solinas) writes:>
Someone posted a message saying he used Exar chips in a Poor
Man's Packet > modem.  He listed a Applications Notes number.
Somehow, I wrote over > that saved file - I don't know how.
Please repost that message!!! > > >
-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------> [e-mail] (Michael Solinas)>
Micro-Medic BBS                                            (408)
280-1610Mike,The app note I am using is from May 1978 Function
Generator Data Bookpublished by Exar.  The app note is
referenced as AN-01.  I am usinga modem derived from this app
note and it works very well.  I am alsousing a modem described
in the original article which uses the TITCM3105 and it too
works very well.  Hope this helps.  73 Joe KE6HAinternet
adr:[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
22 Apr 92 02:00:41 GMTFrom:
xrxedds!ihost!next32![e-mail]: What exactly
is Baycom? (Beginner question)To: [e-mail]
exactaly is a Baycom modem?  I get the idea it's a build it
yourself  TNC, but beyond that, I'm clueless.  Could someone
give me some pointers  as to where I can find out
more?Thanks!dave.-- Dave StroutNeXT
[e-mail]  <-- Should
work......uunet!ihost!next32!dstrout  <-- Else try
this....------------------------------Date: (null)From: (null)NO
WAY.  Get the proceedings of the ARRL computer networking
conferencethat was held in 1989 (I think) in Columbia, Md.  In
it, Eric Scacehas a state diagram description (a flow chart for
a state machine) ofAX.25 Level 2 version 2.  It is the ONLY was
to go in programminga version of AX.25.  Call the ARRL and ask
for the Computer NetworkingConference proceedings that occurred
in Columbia, Md (it is the greenone
;-).Bob------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #107******************************Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92
04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #108To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
23 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 108Today's Topics:
               active group?                 A Packet/Amtor
hybrid called PactorARRL's "Business Rule" proposal - automatic
retransmission prohibited?             AX.25 Link-Layer Docs
(ISO-3309)??? (5 msgs)                   AX25 driver uploaded to
ucsd.edu                            BPQ & NOS 0201
    FLEXNET help and contact BAYCOM                     MFJ-1278
WEFAX software help                      Sony ICF-PRO80 <FOR
SALE>     THIS MAIL IS BEING RETURNED BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER READ
BY THESend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 23 Apr 92 05:27:47 GMTFrom:
cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu
![e-mail]: active group?To:
[e-mail]>> Is this group active?  I have not seen
any postings for a week.I think they moved to
rec.radio.amateur.*>> rec.radio.amateur.misc     (was
rec.ham-radio)>> rec.radio.amateur.packet   (was
rec.ham-radio.packet)>> rec.radio.amateur.policy   (new group -
for FCC and policy dicussions)>> rec.radio.swap             (was
rec.ham-radio.swap, but is now expanded to>>
        include non-amateur gear, e.g. scanners,
SWL)        Enjoy,            -dA.------------------------------Date: 21 Apr 92
14:41:18 GMTFrom:
swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!spacm1.spac.spc.com!xenon!skyld!jangus
@network.UCSD.EDUSubject: A Packet/Amtor hybrid called PactorTo:
[e-mail] article <v#2j![e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:  > know.  If anyone has information on
this mode of operation, maybe you  > have some articles, or have
a working system, please drop us a line.  PacComm in Tampa
Florida is handling a licensed copy of the German Pactor  box.
Pactor has been described in QEX, and reprints of the article
are  available from PacComm. The German version is $425,
PacComm's is $290.  PacComm: 1 813 874 2980, FAX [phone],
BBS 1 813 874 3078xenon!skyld!jangus   < This space left blank
intentionally. >J Angus, PO Box 4425, Carson CA 90749-4425 voice
[phone]------------------------------Date: Wed, 22 Apr
1992 20:22:02 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla![e-mail]
USubject: ARRL's "Business Rule" proposal - automatic
retransmission prohibited?To: [e-mail]
rec.radio.amateur.packet, [e-mail] (Willis Marti)
writes:>In article <[e-mail]>, I wrote:>|> I
don't think this would apply to most packet stations.  Packet
stations>|> do not retransmit other transmissions -- rather they
receive a packet>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>|> store it temporarily
and then retransmit the packet.>
^^^^^^^^^^>|> >|> AL N1AL>Al, read what you wrote 8-).Agreed I
wasn't very clear.  Let me try again:A voice repeater
retransmits the signal AS IT IS RECEIVED.  You can thinkof the
repeater as a bent pipe that takes the input signal and sends
itout again unmodified.A digipeater does the same thing an
old-time traffic handler does.It receives the message (packet),
stores it, and re-sends it later.I believe that the FCC
definition of "repeater" no more applies topacket digipeaters
than it would to traffic handlers.  AL
N1AL------------------------------Date: 22 Apr 92 13:15:44
GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!noc.near.net!uhasun!arrlhq!jblo
[e-mail]: AX.25 Link-Layer Docs
(ISO-3309)???To: [e-mail]
rec.radio.amateur.packet, [e-mail] (Bob McGwier)
writes:>From article <[e-mail]>, by
[e-mail] (Ross Wille):>>   I have a copy of
version 2.0, October 1984, "AX.25 Amateur Packet-Radio>>
Link-Layer Protocol" by Terry L. Fox (ARRL).  Is this the most
recent>>   version of this document?>>NO WAY.  Get the
proceedings of the ARRL computer networking conference>that was
held in 1989 (I think) in Columbia, Md.  In it, Eric Scace>has a
state diagram description (a flow chart for a state machine)
of>AX.25 Level 2 version 2.  It is the ONLY was to go in
programming>a version of AX.25.  Call the ARRL and ask for the
Computer Networking>Conference proceedings that occurred in
Columbia, Md (it is the green>one ;-).No, no, don't do that!
The pubs sales folks will have no idea whatyou're talking about
and they'll send the call to me!  Ask for the7th Computer
Networking Conference Proceeedings.  That
they'llunderstand.-------Jon Bloom, KE3Z                   |
[e-mail] Radio Relay
League       |  uhasun!arrlhq!jbloom225 Main St.
     |Newington, CT 06111
!------------------------------Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1992 18:23:24
GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!chicago.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
bject: AX.25 Link-Layer Docs (IS O

-3309)???To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ross
Wille) writes:>  The document mentioned above wimps out on
detailing the Frame Check>  Sequence (FCS) algorithm by saying
"It shall be calculated in>  accordance with ISO 3309 (HDLC)
recommendations."  I've searched>  the local library, etc. and
haven't come up with anything.  So, where>  can I get a copy of
the ISO 3309 document "Data communication -- High->  level data
link control procedures -- Frame structure"?The AX.25 document
didn't go into great detail in computing the CRCmainly because
the standard practice at the time was to use commercialHDLC
chips (Zilog SIO or 8530, WD 1933, Intel 8273, etc) and these
allcompute and check the CRC automatically. With the recent
popularity ofthe "software HDLC chip" (a big step backward, in
my opinion) I guessthere's a need to define the CRC calculation
in more detail.Unfortunately the ISO spec might not help you a
lot -- they'renotoriously hard to read. A large part of the
problem is that ISOspec-writers take pains to avoid discussing
"implementation-dependent"details. But these are exactly the
details that you, as an implementerlooking for guidance, are
probably most interested in! For example,ISO 3309 has an unusual
(for ISO) annex titled "Explanatory notes onimplementation of
the frame checking sequence (Not part of thestandard)". But it
consists mainly of a page of algebra showing how aCRC can be
mathematically represented as the division ormultiplication of
polynomials. The other page hints that the actualimplementation
includes a shift register, but nowhere does it showwhat the
actual circuit looks like (a shift register with taps
feedingexclusive-OR gates providing feedback.)Useless. And
perfectly typical for ISO.Almost any textbook on data
communications that covers link layerissues will have a much
more readable section on how to generate andcheck CRCs than the
ISO spec. There's a simple, brute-force way (onebit at a time)
and a much faster way that requires look-up tables. Youcan find
code that does the look-up table approach in my TCP/IPpackage on
ucsd.edu (/hamradio/packet/tcpip/ka9q/src*.zip). It's inthe PPP
code contributed by Bill Simpson, file ppp.c. PPP is a linklevel
protocol for sending IP packets over asynchronous telephonemodem
connections. It uses an "asynchronous" form of HDLC so it
usesthe same CRC-CCITT algorithm as AX25.Before you distribute
any code that does CRC generation in software,PLEASE make sure
it can talk with a regular (hardware HDLC) TNC.It's easy to get
the conventions wrong so your implementation willtalk to itself
just fine, but won't talk to anything
else.Phil------------------------------Date: 22 Apr 92 19:32:50
GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!lib!oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu!jmaynard@networ
k.UCSD.EDUSubject: AX.25 Link-Layer Docs (ISO-3309)???To:
[e-mail], I agree with the rest of your post,
but the following comment caught myeye:In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:>With the recent popularity of>the "software
HDLC chip" (a big step backward, in my opinion) I guess>there's
a need to define the CRC calculation in more detail.Waitaminute.
I thought you were the one arguing that having special
functionslike that outboard of the CPU was an inefficient waste
of hardware, especiallysince CPUs are getting fast enough to do
the job and not impact the rest ofthe system. I agree that doing
things like CRC in software is a Bad Idea; whendid you change
your mind?-- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe
to malice that which [e-mail]      |
adequately be explained by a .sig virus.      "You're the only
extremist I've ever known who has a sense of
humor." -- Richard Nixon, to Pat
Buchanan------------------------------Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1992
02:23:28 GMTFrom:
theory.TC.Cornell.EDU![e-mail]: AX.25
Link-Layer Docs (ISO-3309)???To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:>With the recent popularity of>the "software
HDLC chip" (a big step backward, in my opinion) I guess>there's
a need to define the CRC calculation in more detail.Please
clarify "big step backward."If you consider the software TNCs a
step backward because they have made theold, slow 1200 bps
standard more firmly entrenched, you are probably right.If you
mean more than that, please elaborate.  A DSP modem that
implementedHDLC in software alongside the signal processing
stuff might be a quite reasonable way to do things.-- =  =  =  =
 =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =Andrew C. Payne, N8KEI        UUCP:
...!cornell!batcomputer!payne                          INTERNET:
 [e-mail]------------------------------Date: 22 Apr
92 11:12:53 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!sunic2!seu
net!infovax![e-mail]: AX.25 Link-Layer Docs
(ISO-3309)???To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ross
Wille) writes:>[stuff deleted]>  I have a copy of version 2.0,
October 1984, "AX.25 Amateur Packet-Radio>  Link-Layer Protocol"
by Terry L. Fox (ARRL).  Is this the most recent>  version of
this document?>[stuff deleted]Is this document available in
machine readable form? Any ref's?Best
regards.------------------------------Date: 22 Apr 92 13:14:49
GMTFrom:
icd.ab.com!iccgcc.decnet.ab.com![e-mail]: AX25
driver uploaded to ucsd.eduTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Pawel Jalocha) writes:> There was a problem with posting AX25
packet driver for BAYCOM-like> modem here so I uploaded it to
ucsd.edu in hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming> directory. At the
same time I uploaded there PKTMON12 - a program> to monitor HF
and VHF packet traffic with HamComm interface.> >             Pawel
JalochaPawel,  I would like to use your driver with the "Poor
Man's Packet"modem.  The interface is via the printer port
rather than the serialport control lines as in Baycom.  Would it
be possible to get a copy ofsource to modify for that purpose?
I suspect there are a significantnumber of the users of PMP who
would like to use TCP/IP.  TNX DEJoe KE6HA.    (internet:
[e-mail])------------------------------Date: 23
Apr 92 00:02:47 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!tulane!rex!agwbbs!Angelo_Glorioso_Ii
[e-mail]: BPQ & NOS 0201To:
[e-mail] All, I am trying to get BPQ 4.05 and NOS
0201 to work with my bbs system.I am running W0RLI right now
with no problems..If Possible, can I get a copy someones BPQ
Config file and NOSStartup file..Any help will be
appreciated..73 de Angelo-- Via DLG Pro
v0.991Internet:[e-mail]
Usenet:rex!agwbbs!angelo_glorioso_III  Packet:N5UXT @
N5UXT.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA  Tcp/ip:N5UXT.AMPT.ORG
[44.108.2.13]------------------------------Date: 21 Apr 92
14:58:35 GMTFrom:
swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!spacm1.spac.spc.com!xenon!skyld!jangus
@network.UCSD.EDUSubject: FLEXNET help and contact BAYCOMTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:  > Unfortuantely, I'm afraid
that "others making a profit from their efforts" is  > largely
their fault.  They waited far too long to "go commercial".
They've  > been approached by several companies who wanted to
market their hardware and  > software and these companies were
turned away (so I've heard).  >   > When you label something as
freely distributable, you are giving it away.  > To expect any
compensation is absurd.  I've gotten less than $100 in   >
shareware-type donations for my Poor Man's Packet program and
I'm surprised  > I've gotten this much.The problem was, and
still is, that the program Digicom was not being
"freelydistributed" but was being sold for between $50 and $75
with a $30 modem thrownin for free. The software should have
separated from the hardware if it was tostill be considered
"given away for free". PMP will suffer the same fate. Themodems
are being given away with a $50 copy of the software to run
them. The"correct" method of distribution if you make a product
specifically for usewith "freeware" is to make a software +
schematic available for a nominal costin addition to the
product. An example of that is Tucson Amateur Packet
Radio.xenon!skyld!jangus   < This space left blank
intentionally. >J Angus, PO Box 4425, Carson CA 90749-4425 voice
[phone]------------------------------Date: 23 Apr 92
03:24:10 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!udel!louie!dewey.udel.edu!zickus@net
work.UCSD.EDUSubject: MFJ-1278 WEFAX software helpTo:
[e-mail]    I'm currently writing some software to
display the WEFAX data stream from my MFJ-1278 Multi-mode data
controller on my Macintosh.    I've had some success, but would be
interested in sharingcode/experiences with anyone who's written
software to work with the'1278.    Sure, I know I could just *buy*
a program, but where's the funin that?? :-)   Any pointers to PD
software of this type would beappreciated as well...    thanks!--t.
e. zickus              | qdc
[e-mail] software engineer  | udel
                  [e-mail] development corp. |
usps     209 chaingate circle, landenberg, pa 19350 302/798-0899
             | "what is is not, but only what you think it is"
------------------------------Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 07:36:01
GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!csus.edu!netcomsv!mork![e-mail]
: Sony ICF-PRO80 <FOR SALE>To: [e-mail]    Any
interest out there in my Sony scanner--sane offers to mye-mail
address. --Trades are possible, my interests include HT's,packet
gear, and other resources to facilitate my finishing my
smallportable packet station. I already have the PacComm TNC,
dual band HT,and HP95LX but I still need a battery source and
small durable case,and possibly a solar panel :-).--cheers
(still waiting for my call)--
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<[e-mail]>Subject:      Packet-Radio Digest V92
#70To:           Marty Baxter <[e-mail]>Packet-Radio
Digest         Mon, 16 Mar 92       Volume 92 : Issue  70Today's
Topics:               BBS name standards / Packet-BBS gateways
                           KAM/PK232
Packet RepeatersSend Replies or notes for publication to:
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personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
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there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 16 Mar 92 07:22:25 GMTFrom:
elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!pitt.edu!pitt!w2xo!durham@ames.
arpaSubject: BBS name standards / Packet-BBS gatewaysTo:
[e-mail] recently put forth a proposal that packet
bbses adopt a namingstandard such that personal mail could be
inferred from the factthat the recipient address contained a
numeral, such as allham call do, and that "distribution" groups
such as "AMSAT, ARRL, etc"would contain *no* numerals.A synopsis
of the discussion so far:To: [e-mail]:
pitt!ve6mgs.ampr.org!mark (Mark G. Salyzyn, VE6MGS)Subject:
WowStatus: RJim, marvelous idea ... no distribution name
contains numerals, nocall letters contains no numerals. I like
it. except, weget a few distributions with numerals (9600, PNW7
...), so Iwould simply state that we use a short `legal call'
algorithminstead to weed these out. There was source for one
posted about a month ago,but a mistaken `find
/usr/spool/news/rec/radio +45 -exec rm ...'(instead of -mtime
+45, I keep stuff around for 60 normally) when Iran out of spool
space today made mince meat of that idea !!! :-(If not, I use a
small call checker here that has not yet been tripped ...Thanks
for the idea, I will be changing the code today to reflect
hisimprovement. Your `problem' with NTS traffic ... ALL NTS
traffic issupposed to be addressed to the NTS<district> so ANY
message with nts*MUST be NTS traffic (unless, tee hee, someone
decides to send abulletin to explain NTS operation and addresses
it to NTS :-)Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark
-sk-*************************************************************
*From: pitt!ve6mgs.ampr.org!mark (Mark G. Salyzyn,
VE6MGS)Subject: No numbers in personnal address on packetStatus:
RJim, another `idea'. But this may be due to the nature of the
gatewayI operate. Since our local BBS operator is overwhelmed
with `just' thenormal packet operation, he is reluctant to
support dropping messagesoff directly in the TNC mailboxes
unless they have a proven record ofbeing reliable. I, on the
other hand, operate the gateway to allowmessages directly into
mailboxes. A `popular' approach is to dropthe message off to the
`person' rather than the `call'.        SP DENNIS @ VE6PAWas an
example. The personnal mailboxes often do distinguish
betweenbulls and personals too. I don't think this is a problem
at yourgateway (being centrally located, and used by people all
across theUS), but it shoots holes in me using the
number/no-number approach fordifferentiating between bulletins
and personal messages :-(.Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark
-sk-*************************************************************
*****AA4RE suggested:>Alpha = bulletin>alphanumeric =
personal>all numeric = NTS (at least US)>Another NTS option is
that they are all sent to    xxxx @
NTSxxx***********************************************************
********W2XO reply:Parsing for a few exceptions wouldn't be
bad.There is perhaps a bigger problem with distribution names:
Howdo you tell that they are *packet* addresses? Mail comes
infrom , let's say, lots of different sources/networks.
Packetmail can be parsed by inferring that it is packet mail
from".NOAM", ".AU", ".EU"... etc. Only as many cases to parse
asthere are continents. There is no "H" address on a
distribution name.Should there be?I guess one could parse for
all the
names.-Jim*******************************************************
************AA4RE reply:>Well we could always make our own
standard...>   SB SALE @
ALLUS.Bulletin.ampr>Roy******************************************
***************************W2XO AGAIN:Hurrah! I think that is
may be just that simple.The problem is really on the *RFC-822*
side, not the packet bbs side.If someone sent a bulletin from ,
say, the internet addressed thisway:
[e-mail], I could easily parse
it.One nit-picky thing, I dislike "ampr" because it is too close
to thetcp/ip network name of "ampr.org". Maybe "amprbbs"Hmmm...
how about  all%allus.$234567_w7kdj.amprbbs.bull@HOSTNAMESendmail
here would immediately drop my hostname andchange the "%" to a
"@", which would be:
all@allus.$234567_w7kdj.amprbbs.bullThe mailer called by
sendmail would then feed it to the packetbbs as:        ALL @
ALLUS < W7KDJ $234567_W7KDJ------------------On the "packet"
side, using the "H address" field for bulletinscould work. This
would eliminate having a big table of all thedistribution names
(ALLUS, AMSAT..etc).I can only speak for my software, but I
assume that just moving theH address parser higher in the
parsing chain would allow thebbs to recognize anything with
".BULL.AMPRBBS" as a bulletin, nomatter what the distribution
name.Hmmm.. if we used a scheme like including the BID in the H
addressof a bulletin, it would make the BID field redundant
8-).Am I off the deep
end?-Jim------------------------------Date: 15 Mar 92 02:12:59
GMTFrom:
usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!spacm1.spac.spc.com!xenon!skyld!jangus@net
work.UCSD.EDUSubject: KAM/PK232To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
wd6ehr.ampr.org![e-mail] writes:  >
     KAM             PK232           1278  >  > Standard TNC2
commands  no              no              yes  >  > PktGold
compat  >         "host" mode     not yet         yes
 no  >  > True DCD                no              no
 yes  >Almost ALL of the KAM commands regarding Packet operation
are "standard".About the only differences are things like
"Status" instead of "CStatus".PktGold is a specific package
written for the AEA Host mode, there arespecific packages
written to take advanage of the new (version 4 and later)Host
mode in the KAM TNC. Hostmaster for example. Also, there are
packagesfor multi-mode TNC's that are written to support all
three. Lan-link by G3ZCZis a prime example. PHS (written by the
same person that developed THS forthe DRSI cards) is a true
multi-mode HOST package for the AEA PK-232. Themajor difference
between it and PktGold is the $65 price. PHS is shareware.On the
DCD, the KAM software is adjustable and has different settings
forboth the HF and VHF modes. The TAPR state machine is a fine
part, but itdidn't give 'true' DCD for HF operation without a. a
second TAPR DCD board,and b. a lot of extra parts. Considering
the added features of the 3.0 andlater upgrades, the $40 for the
EPROM was worth it. All that is required issome time to sit and
adjust settings and take notes for comparing performance.A final
note on the tuning displays. For HF packet and RTTY, the KAM
displayis much better than the PK-232. If you're used to a more
'traditional' crosstype tuning scope, the filter output of the
KAM is available, but not worththe additional effort. The 1278
has good internal and external tuning.xenon!skyld!jangus or
wa6fwi@wb6ymh.#soca.ca.usa.naJ Angus, PO Box 4425, Carson CA
90749-4425 voice (310)
324-6080------------------------------Date: 15 Mar 1992 17:10:55
-0800From: [e-mail]: Packet
RepeatersTo: [e-mail] here in the land of the
forgotten,  we  have  some  serious  packet  networkproblems.
Everything presently occurs on one channel, 145.01.  NET-ROM
nodes,mail forwarding, three or four BBS,  point-to-point
chit-chat,  at  least  twodozen  personal BBS things, etc.  The
biggest problem is as soon as you connectto the local node and
try to get into the local BBS, everybodys mail-forwardingand
beacons  and  everything  else  comes  alive,  and  you  get
re-tried intooblivion.I have visited the Northwest and seen
their excellent (IMHO) system where  eachnode/BBS  has  its own
(coordinated?) frequency.  The mail-forwarding etc takesplace on
220 or above, so you're basically  on  your  own.   I  was
definitelyimpressed.Our  local  folks don't like this idea, but
do want to set up a separate systemfor local use, especially for
ARES/RACES type stuff.  I suggested  they  simplyput  up
another NET-ROM type node such as the 145.01 system, but they
feel forsome reason that they need a full duplex repeater.My
question to the net: Are there any real advantages/disadvantages
to using  afull-duplex  (just  like  voice)  repeater  for
packet.   I  know  it  is moreexpensive, uses two channels,
etc., but I need more.Please E-mail your responses as I don't
often get time to read the newsgroup.Thank you for any
info.73,MichaelWA7SKG--::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Michael A. Barnes
          Land Mobile Radio [e-mail]
     Frequency  ManagementPhone: [phone]
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own.  (Matthew
6:34)::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
::::::::::::::::::------------------------------Date: 15 Mar 92
18:17:36 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]
.EDUTo: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To : [e-mail]
(Gary Coffman)Subject : Re: PACKET RADIO TALKIn article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Harold C. Forbes) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
writes:>>>How will TCP/IP influence future systems ?>>>>Because
the implementation we have is totally open, it has attracted>>a
lot of interest among the code hackers. Potentially it opens
the>>way for unlimited applications, but as a practical matter
because of>>the monolythic way it's implemented on DOS machines,
it's turning into>>a complicated way to do a BBS and ship a few
files. It's actually an>>impediment to new applications at this
time. It's best use now is>>as a switch node in the trunk
network and as a gateway to a capable>>multitasking system with
native TCP/IP (ie a Unix box). Before TCP/IP>>can have a
significant impact on packet, we've got to abandon DOS>>or
rewrite the code to act as a device driver accessable to
*any*>>program running on the system.>>The Mach 3.0 kernal is
free, and is being used on 386 machines.>The GNU HURD may become
a reality one day.  Maybe now is the time to>switch?This always
starts flame wars in the TCP Group mailing list when itcomes up,
so I should probably be quiet. However, this is a pet peeveof
mine. While I very much appreciate all the hard work done by
Philand others to make TCP/IP available on DOS platforms, it
really isa limitation on network *applications*. I'm playing
with a AX25 driverfor SunOS that came down the net, and that may
be the solution I'mlooking for, but it *does* require a Sun
Workstation and most amateursdon't have one sitting on their
operating bench like I do. Plus thereare a lot of neat hacks in
the latest versions of Phil's code thatapply directly to radio
packet that are missing from the Sun TCP/IP.I'm afraid that any
Unix lookalike for Intel platforms that doesn'tsupport DOS
emulation is going to meet with little acceptance amonghams. The
commercial packages that do are terribly expensive, morethan the
hardware in many cases. We really need a way for DOS
applicationsto talk to TCP/IP other than through Desqview
loopback schemes. Turningthe present code into a device driver
that a DOS program can treatas a character device, or maybe
block device, just like any otherdevice on the system, would
immediately open up a whole range ofapplications for packet.
Applications programmers could treat thepacket network as a
black box that responds like a terminal or adisk. I see lots of
uses for this.Gary KE4ZV------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92
#70******************************------------------------------En
d of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#108******************************Date: Fri, 24 Apr 92 04:30:03
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Digest V92 #109To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Fri,
24 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 109Today's Topics:
               AmigaNOS v2.9ARRL's "Business Rule" proposal -
automatic retransmission prohibited?                 Best of
both worlds? (PBBS & TCP/IP)                         PK-232 Rx
Going Weak                      Sony ICF-PRO80 <FOR SALE>Send
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-----------Date: 23 Apr 92 14:13:17 GMTFrom:
mcsun!uknet!mucs!jh.mcc.ac.uk![e-mail]:
AmigaNOS v2.9To: [e-mail] have just put AmigaNOS
v2.9 on ucsd.edu in the /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming/..
directory as anos29.lha.   Only the executable is there at the
moment.John.Cheers, John.                  JANET :
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GMTFrom: munnari.oz.au!ipso![e-mail]: ARRL's
"Business Rule" proposal - automatic retransmission
prohibited?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>    [e-mail] (Alan
Bloom) writes:>A voice repeater retransmits the signal AS IT IS
RECEIVED.  You can think>of the repeater as a bent pipe that
takes the input signal and sends it>out again unmodified.>>A
digipeater does the same thing an old-time traffic handler
does.>It receives the message (packet), stores it, and re-sends
it later.>I believe that the FCC definition of "repeater" no
more applies to>packet digipeaters than it would to traffic
handlers.  What about "bent-pipe" digipeaters?  They exist...
Oh, all right, thereis a bit's worth of delay, but surely
there's a few nanoseconds delay ona voice repeater...-- Dave
Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @
[e-mail]
...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave       ADA - from the people who
brought you COBOL------------------------------Date: 23 Apr 92
16:58:00 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio
-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewsj![e-mail]:
Best of both worlds? (PBBS & TCP/IP)To:
[e-mail]'ve been using the PRMBS PBBS for about a
year or soand think it has a great user interface. However I'd
liketo explore the world of TCP/IP and broaden my packet
capabilities.However I don't want to give up my daily reading of
packetbulletins... Since I don't know alot about NOS I may
bemistaken but I think NOS only handles mail and not
thebulletins that you would normally see on a PBBS. If
I'mmistaken please let me know. However I've heard that thereare
some PBBS that can also do TCP/IP. So I wonder if thereis
something out there that would fit my requirements:PBBS email &
bulletins, TCP/IP functionality (ftp, telnet, smtp),land line
support for remote login and PBBS message forwarding,HamCall
CDrom supported, and of course source code available soI can
hack it if I need something that isn't available.Is there
something out there that will do all or most of whatI'm looking
for or am I asking for to much???Thanks in advance for your
reply. 73, Tom KB2GLO.-- Tom Kenny, KB2GLOUUCP:
...!att!mtuxo!tek              Internet:
[e-mail] Radio: kb2glo@n2kzh..nj.usa   AMPR:
[e-mail]
[44.64.0.10]------------------------------Date: 24 Apr 92
03:34:23 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!shrike![e-mail]:
PK-232 Rx Going WeakTo: [e-mail]: Thu, 23 Apr
92 22:23:15 CSTMessage-Id: <[e-mail]>From:
[e-mail] (Dick Kriss [44.76.1.40])Reply-To: KD5VU @
N5LJF.#AUS.TX.USATo: [e-mail]: Note
for TPRS ReportX-Mailer: IM/Mac 1.0b20Carl, suggest the
following PK-232 tip for the next TPRS Report:       ----------
IS YOUR PK-232 GOING DEAF? ------------
    By Dick Kriss, KD5VUMy PK-232MBX was slowly going deaf. The
transmit was okay, but I was havingtrouble receiving packets. I
would connect to a station and get good ACKs, butwas having
trouble printing them and since I was not receiving their
packet,they would time out waiting for me to ACK. This problem
did not happen overnight but seemed to degrade with time.Called
AEA and the technician suggested I change out U-20, MC-1488. I
used aRadio Shack 276-2520 Quad Line Driver. It worked! I have
to admit it was noteasy to remove the old IC that was soldered
to the board. It now has a socket!If your PK-232 seems to be
going deaf, consider replacing U-20. Much thanks toAEA for the
tip. Save me having to send the PK-232 off for repair.73 de
Dick,
KD5VU============================================================
=========      Richard (Dick) Kriss    E-Mail:
[e-mail]      904 Dartmoor Cove    Packet
Radio: SP KD5VU @ N5LJF.#AUS.TX.USA.NA    Austin, Texas 78746
Phone: [phone] (day) or 327-9566 (evenings)  My employer
has nothing to do with this message! ...  _._
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Subject: Sony ICF-PRO80 <FOR SALE>To: [e-mail]
to hog more bandwidth but I just realized my little ad belongs
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------------------------------Date: 24 Apr 1992
06:26:12 GMTFrom: ucsd.edu![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: ARRL's "Business
Rule" proposal - automatic retransmission
prohibited?[e-mail] (Dave Horsfall) writes:>What about
"bent-pipe" digipeaters?  They exist...  Oh, all right, there>is
a bit's worth of delay, but surely there's a few nanoseconds
delay on>a voice repeater...Terminology clarification:
digipeaters are store and forward - theyinhale a whole packet
and spit it out after it has been completelyreceived.  They
update the 'digipeated' bit in the packet headers.They employ
shared-channel access methods, such as CSMA/CA.  They doNOT
repeat bits instantaneously.A real-time repeater is NOT a
digipeater, even when it's repeatingpackets and/or other digital
communications.    - Brian------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #109******************************Date:
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Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #110To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
25 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 110Today's Topics:
               AmigaNOS v2.9ARRL's "Business Rule" proposal -
automatic retransmission prohibited?                   Educating
the unwashed (2 msgs)                     Full service BBS in
DAYTON ?                        KA9Q for the Hp 48sx??
             Perpetuation (2 msgs)
PK-232 Rx Going Weak                  Where to find INTRONOS at
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otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
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directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 24 Apr 92 13:15:38 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!tulane!darwin.sura.net!Siri
us.dfn.de!zrz.tu-berlin.de!news.netmbx.de!Germany.EU.net!mcsun!uk
net!acorn![e-mail]: AmigaNOS v2.9To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (John Heaton) writes:>I have just put
AmigaNOS v2.9 on ucsd.edu in the
/hamradio/packet/tcpip/>incoming/.. directory as anos29.lha.
Only the executable is there at the >moment.>>John.Would you
mind mailing or posting a release note for the changes ? It's
hard to get to ucsd from here ...-adrian, g7hwn--
-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------Adrian Godwin
([e-mail])------------------------------Date: 24 Apr
92 18:58:43 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!cs.uoregon.edu!ogicse!hp-cv!hp-pcd!news1.boi.hp.com!
hpscdc!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla![e-mail]:
ARRL's "Business Rule" proposal - automatic retransmission
prohibited?To: [e-mail] rec.radio.amateur.packet,
[e-mail] (Dave Horsfall) writes:I said:>>A voice repeater
retransmits the signal AS IT IS RECEIVED.  You can think>>of the
repeater as a bent pipe that takes the input signal and sends
it>>out again unmodified.>>>>A digipeater does the same thing an
old-time traffic handler does.>>It receives the message
(packet), stores it, and re-sends it later.>>I believe that the
FCC definition of "repeater" no more applies to>>packet
digipeaters than it would to traffic handlers.  >What about
"bent-pipe" digipeaters?  They exist...  Oh, all right, there>is
a bit's worth of delay, but surely there's a few nanoseconds
delay on>a voice repeater...If you send packet through a voice
repeater (or any other repeater thatdoes not decode the packet
and then reconstruct it before transmission), then I believe it
would qualify as a "repeater" by FCC's definition.AL
N1AL------------------------------Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1992
15:52:05 GMTFrom:
usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!orchard.la.locus.com!devnet.la.locus.com!d
[e-mail]: Educating the unwashedTo:
[e-mail] morning I was chatting with some of
the Antelope Valley localson 2m, when one of the guys asked
another "Hey, should I get a verticalto run packet?" and the
other answered "You should run a beam so youget through".Gasp.[
In all fairness, the popular local frequencies already suffer
horribly from hidden transmitter syndrome, so using a beam
probably  doesn't make anything worse, but it doesn't help.
]Then, when one station was complaining about poor receiver
response,I asked him, "Does your TNC have true DCD?" He says
"Yes, but I usemy squelch anyway to quiet the receiver". Then,
another station says"It is wrong to run open squelch cause then
you'll be too sensitiveand people with poor paths will digipeat
through you and generatemultiple retries". I said "Oh, the TAPR
paper from the ARRL CNCproceedings pretty clearly shows the
benefit of running open squelchwith a true DCD". What was I
thinking? One station responds "Oh, thesquelch recovery time is
shorter than the receiver recovery time soit doesn't matter,
cause the squelch recovers before the receiver does".Huh?
Another station then sagely chimes in, "Well, you can read all
thosepapers and tear your shack all apart making mods but it all
doesn'tmatter".Gasp.When I suggested that users should consider
slight reductions in realtime response in order to have a more
efficient overall network thatwould support more users and have
smaller drops in performance whenthe channel is congested, the
response was something like "My packetstation is OK, it is
everybody else that slows it down".GaspSo, I'm tempted to
prepare a presentation for the local club meetingwhere I attempt
to explain some of the mystical terminology of packet(like,
"What is FRACK?") and get the packet users to look things
likethe CNC proceedings rather than just flying by the seat of
their pants.But, I think that might just be an exercise in
futility. Maybe I'lljust work on a few locals, set up an IP net
on the locally sanctionedpacket frequency (which sees zero
activity), and ignore the unwashed.What do y'all think?--  *
Dana H. Myers KK6JQ         | Views expressed here are    * * (213)
337-5136         | mine and do not necessarily    * * [e-mail]  DoD
#466     | reflect those of my employer    * * "Dammit Bones, spare me
the lecture and give me the shot!"
*------------------------------Date: 25 Apr 92 06:16:33 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!ni.umd.edu!sayshell.um
d.edu![e-mail]: Educating the unwashedTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana H.
Myers) writes:>Gasp.>>Gasp.>>Gasp>>So, I'm tempted to prepare a
presentation for the local club meeting>where I attempt to
explain some of the mystical terminology of packet>(like, "What
is FRACK?") and get the packet users to look things like>the CNC
proceedings rather than just flying by the seat of their
pants.>>But, I think that might just be an exercise in futility.
Maybe I'll>just work on a few locals, set up an IP net on the
locally sanctioned>packet frequency (which sees zero activity),
and ignore the unwashed.>>What do y'all think?Being a "computer"
type, I got involved in Packet Radio. Note quiteback in the dark
ages, but close.  I got a TNC-1 kit (in the prettyblack box!)
and put it together.  Tried to figure out who thought thatX.25
LAPB, a serial line point-to-point protocl was a good idea in
amultipoint, multi-access contention based environment.  Turns
out thatno one really thinks its a good idea; actually, most
don't think aboutit at all.  They just run more power, or put up
"wide-area"digipeaters to ensure we would all be plagued with
hidden-terminalproblems.  Sigh.Hacked a while with AX.25 and
tried to figure out why I would want tolog into a BBS at a
pathetic effective rate as compared (at the time)to my 2400 bps
landline modem that I used to read USENET.  Heck, evenan honest
300 bps would have been better.  So I punted.  Sigh.So, I run
into Phil at a regional packet radio meeting, and we marvelhow
all the BBS users are trying to build a distributed BBS
systemusing the W0RLI and "mail", slowly but surely re-inventing
USENETnews.  We point out that this has been done, but of
course, not byhams, so they can't use it.  Feh.  Try to explain
TCP/IP and no onecan understand why you'd want to use it since
you can't log intothe local BBS.  Sigh.Then comes Phil with his
TCP/IP stack, which was reallyinteresting.  I started hacking on
it when it was running on the oldXerox 820 boards; started a
port to a 68000 single board micro.  Notenough memory.  Then
came a new and improved version of NET for thePC, and I bought
an Amiga and ported it.  Hmm.. needs KISS, so I buy aMFJ TNC.
KISS and my AmigaNET work pretty well.  Hmm.. works evenbetter
over the aforementioned 2400 bps landline modem.  Radio?  Whyuse
this radio stuff?  Sigh.Then comes even niftier NOS and my 2400
bps modem is replaced by aV.32 9600 bps modem.  So I do an
AmigaNOS hack/port.  Pretty nifty.Co-ordinate and set up the
first coast-to-coast "wormhole" (running asWA3YMH-1, remember
that?).  I thought it was an incredible hack andpretty ugly.
But folks thought it was wonderful.  I was rather moreimpressed
by the 56KBPS PSK modems used on the commerical
satallitetransponder that we shoved digitized audio though.
Sigh.It was also the first place that NET/ROM really got used.
I am soashamed to have even inadvertantly contributed to the
"success" ofNET/ROM and its bogos distance-vector routing
protocols with all thewrong time constants.  Try to explain to
folks that you can't justvary the metrics used by NET/ROM
without having ALL the nodesconfigured coherently; otherwise you
get horrible routing loops.  Sureenough, horrible routing loops.
 You try to explain Bellman-Forddistance vector protocols, and
why they are really bad news forasymmetric paths; but they think
its great.  Of course, they don'trealize that they might as well
not even have the routing protocolsicne its all so highly hand
tuned.  Sigh.Finally I decide that I need a real computer, so I
sell the Amiga andget a UNIX box at home (NeXTstation, 700MB
disk, 20MB memory).Article in QST comes out months later listing
me as a source for theAmigaNOS port.  Not that the author of the
article bothered to check..I didn't have an amiga for months and
handn't worked on the code formore than a year.  I stopped when
all of the AX.25 "mailbox" crap started to get loaded into it.
I still get floppies in the mailasking for the code.  Please, I
don't have it any more!  Sigh.So now, I've got a V.32bis modem
and a SLIP connection to theInternet.  I can't really think of a
reason to use packet radio.  Fewaround here want to do anything
other than BBSing.  I communicate withmore people more
effectively using EMAIL over the Internet.Try to convince a
group of random hams that would support a 2m FMrepeater that
they should invest in some packet switches.  You know,so you can
build a real network?  "Why do that?" they say, "We'vealready
got more full service BBS systems than we need!"  Sigh.  Feh.The
unwashed masses don't want to be educated, they want to be
givenappliances.
Sigh.louieWA3YMH------------------------------Date: 24 Apr 92
17:46:16 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!memstvx1!kag
[e-mail]: Full service BBS in DAYTON ?To:
[e-mail] anybody know the callsign and maybe
the address of a full serviceBBS in Dayton, OH. Please
e-mail.Tnx Suresh N9GSA___  ___  _____  ___ ___ Suresh Kagoo  EE
Dept , Memphis State University|  \/  | / ____\ | | | |
Engineering 215    | Domain: [e-mail]| \  / |
\____ \ | |_| | Memphis, TN  38152 | Bitnet:
KAGOOS@MEMSTVX1|_|\/|_| \_____/ \_____/ Ph: [phone] |
AX.25 : N9GSA@W4BS.#WESTN.TN.USA
------------------------------Date: 24 Apr 92 16:02:50 GMTFrom:
mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!kraft.ecn.purdue.edu!kr
[e-mail]: KA9Q for the Hp 48sx??To:
[e-mail] another HAM told me that there
was a HP 48sx version of KA9Q packetprogram.  Does anyone know
where or how I can get this??? I really want a complete protable
packet station ie ht,hp48,and TNC.  Well if anyone can helpI'd
appreciate it.  Thanks.
-jason kronz (N9OFN)------------------------------Date: 24 Apr
1992 07:12:30 -0700From: [e-mail]:
PerpetuationTo: [e-mail] back (either here or
on the HAM policy list) there was a postingabout a boy name
Craig Chergold (or something similar) who wascollecting business
cards to get in Guiness because he had a terminaldisease.  The
posting asked that these types of requests be ignored whenseen
on packet or elseware because they were stale and
beingrecirculated again and again.  I've seen one again, could
someone eitherdirect me to where I could get a copy of the
original post debunkingthis or send me the info contained in
that post so that I can provideconcrete information to those
that are continuing to recirculate thisrequest.--
_________________________________________________________________
_____Dan Roman           |     ///          Internet:
[e-mail] Inc.       | \\\///
GEnie:  D.ROMAN1Woodcliff Lake, NJ  |  \XX/ Only AMIGA!
Homebrew is better
brew.============================================================
==========------------------------------Date: 24 Apr 92 20:03:53
GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!gatech!prism!cchapman.gatech.edu![e-mail]
USubject: PerpetuationTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Daniel Roman)
writes:>Awhile back (either here or on the HAM policy list)
there was a posting>about a boy name Craig Chergold (or
something similar) who was>collecting business cards to get in
Guiness because he had a terminal>disease.  The posting asked
that these types of requests be ignored when>seen on packet or
elseware because they were stale and being>recirculated again
and again.  I've seen one again, could someone either>direct me
to where I could get a copy of the original post debunking>this
or send me the info contained in that post so that I can
provide>concrete information to those that are continuing to
recirculate this>request.>--
>________________________________________________________________
______>Dan Roman           |     ///          Internet:
[e-mail]>Timeplex Inc.       | \\\///
GEnie:  D.ROMAN1>Woodcliff Lake, NJ  |  \XX/ Only AMIGA!
Homebrew is better
brew.>===========================================================
===========Please DO NOT send any more cards to Craig Shergold.
Here is a detailedarticle from news.misc on that subject for
those that missed it on thenews:From: [e-mail]
(earthbound misfit, I)Subject: Re: SmilemakersKeywords:
Smilemakers requestDate: 19 Apr 92 04:15:38 GMTCraig Shergold is
now approximately 13, his cancer has been cured, andhe doesn't
want any more cards of any kind. This story has taken ona life
of its own and can't be killed, which has driven the Guiness
Bookof Records to withdraw the category from future editions.The
following is a semi-recent posting from alt.folklore.urban
whichseems to cover all the bases fairly well, there was also a
postingnews.announce.newusers along the same lines in the last 6
months.---------begin included article---------------Path:
acmebbs!cc-server4.massey.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato.ac.nz!wupo
st!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adela
ide.edu.au!adam.adelaide.edu.au!philFrom:
[e-mail] (Phil Kernick)Newsgroups:
alt.folklore.urbanSubject: Re: Craig Shergold et alMessage-ID:
<[e-mail]>Date: 6 Jan 92 01:24:24
GMTReferences:
<[e-mail]>Sender:
[e-mail]: University of Adelaide,
South AustraliaLines: 821Article-I.D.:
adam.phil.694661064Nntp-Posting-Host: adam.adelaide.edu.auFYI re
Craig Shergold.Millions of dollars (note the card totals below)
have been spent on this project, money which might have gone to
research or treatment.The EASIEST refutation is to cite
READERS DIGEST  OCT 1991  PAGE 71  US  EDITION        READERS
DIGEST  DEC 1991  PAGE 35  AUS EDITIONSorry I don't know about
other editions.If THAT does not help convince people, read
on....-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------------9 Million Americans Respond to Plight of a Sick
BoyNew York Times (NATIONAL), Sunday, July 29, 1990, page
24.Craig Shergold, a 10-year-old English boy ill with a
braintumor, remarked last fall that he would like to break the
worldrecord for receiving get-well cards.  Nine million
Americanshave responded, answering messages sent through a loose
networkof facsimile machines, office memorandums,
neighborhoodconversations and community newspaper
advertisements.The boy's mother says she cannot handle any more
cards, so athird of them are languishing at an Atlanta charity,
which hadinitiated its own fax campaign for the boy.  And the
charity,the Children's Wish Foundation, is trying to figure out
what todo with the cards.Last November, a handful of English
companies trumpeted Craig'swish to break the record of Mario
Morby, a 12 year-old Englishboy suffering from leukemia who
collected 1,000,265 get-wellcards earlier in 1989.Story Changes
as It SpreadsCraig's message soon reached this country and
spread rapidly.His wish was distributed on leaflets at a Boston
street fair,plastered on a billboard in Gadsden, Ala, advertised
in anewspaper in New Jersey, announced to the residents of
Surry,N.H. at a town meeting and disseminated by the
PrintingIndustries of America to its member businesses.As the
message spread across the country, the facts of Craig'sstory
became twisted.  In Boston, a leaflet said he was 7 yearsold,
lived in Keene, N.H. and spelled his last name "Shirgold."A
Chicago physician said erroneously that he had treated Craigfor
six years. Other accounts had the boy's disease as leukemiaand
said he was from Florida.In addition to the American get well
cards, which came fromevery state, seven million cards reached
Craig from othercountries, said his mother, Marion Shergold, in
a recenttelephone interview.New Record in Guinness BookMrs.
Shergold informed the Guinness Book of World Records of thecount
as it stood on May 25:  16,252,692.  Craig'saccomplishment,
which includes the 3 million cards in Atlanta,will be in the
1991 edition of the book, to be published thisOctober, said
Cathy Brooks, a Guinness Book spokeswoman.Mrs. Shergold said she
"can't say a big enough thank you" to herson's correspondents,
but she added, "We don't want any morecards."Officials in the
office of the Georgia Secretary of State, askedby Children's
Wish Foundation for advice on what to do with thecards it had
collected, recommended that the charity follow thewishes of Mrs.
Shergold.  She has said the foundation shouldopen the cards,
share them with American children who havecancer and eventually
recycle the paper.  THe proceeds from therecycling, as well as
any gifts received on Craig's behalf,should also be used to help
sick American children, Mrs.Shergold
said.+-----------------------------------------------------------
----+|
   ||
  ||
 ||
|| Photograph of a bald but smiling Craig holding a plaque goes
|| here.  The caption of the photograph reads "Craig Shergold
|| was given a certificate by the Guinness Book of World Records
|| after he received more than 16 million get-well cards.  The
|| 10-year-old from Surrey, England, is ill with a brain tumor.
||
|+---------------------------------------------------------------
+In response to inquiries from news organizations
aboutChildren's Wish and it's handling of the cards, the
Governor'sOffice of Consumer Affairs is "actively looking into"
thematter, said Bill Cloud, a spokesman.  The office
isparticularly interested in whether the foundation solicited
anyfinancial contributions during its campaign for Craig, Mr.
Cloudsaid.Linda Dozoretz, executive director of the foundation,
who hasmet with Craig in England, said the foundation never
asked formoney on his behalf and has not opened any cards
addressed tohim, but it had received direct contributions
totalling about$120 on his behalf. The money has been deposited
in an Atlantabank account that the foundation opened in Craig's
name, Ms.Dozoretz said.The foundation, which, like the
better-known Make-A-WishFoundation of America, fulfills the
wishes of terminally illchildren, came to the attention of the
Georgia authorities lastyear, when the Secretary of State, Max
Cleland, fined Ms.Dozoretz and Arthur Stein, the foundation
president, $2,500each.  Mr. Cleland said a foundation radio
promotion for illchildren had used bogus names for the children
without informingthe public of that.  He also said the
foundation had used moneyleft over from the granting of one wish
to pay for others, aswell as salaries and operating expenses, in
violation of Georgialaw.Mr. Stein and Ms Dozoretz, who are
married, waived their right toa hearing on the charges and paid
the penalty without declaringguilt or innocence said Randy
Willard, an investigator in Mr.Cleland's office.Mr. Stein said
in an interview that he knew he had brokenGeorgia law by
changing the children's names, but said he woulddo it again to
preserve privacy.  He said the foundation did nottake money
earmarked for one wish and apply it to others, butrather
deposited all donations in a general fund from which itpays for
numerous wishes.He said he and his wife, "on the advice of an
attorney," did notrequest a hearing with an administrative judge
on the charges,but paid the penalty to "get the thing over
with."Began by Chance RemarkThese activities are of little
concern to Craig, who lives inthe town of Surrey, in southeast
England, with his mother andfather, a truck driver.  Craig's
campaign began last September,when a surgeon who was treating
him for tumors of the brain andspine at the Great Ormond Street
Hospital in London joked thatCraig had received so many cards
from friends and relatives thathe could set a record.That set
Craig and his parents to thinking, and with hospitalofficials'
assistance, they asked local companies to spread themessage of
his wish."And from that grew an enormous chain letter that went
roundfrom company to company and then country to country,: said
PamRumfitt, an appeal director at the Royal Marsden Hospital
inLondon, where Craig, now 11, is now treated as an
outpatient.Mrs. Shergold said she was grateful to her neighbors
for meetingeach Thursday to sift through the mountain of cards.
The stampsare sold to a collector in London, with the proceeds
donated tohelp children with leukemia, while money from recycled
envelopesis given to schools for the handicapped, Mrs. Shergold
said.Though Craig continues to battle the brain tumor and
sometimesuses a wheel chair, his mother says he has responded
well totreatment and the tumor on his spine has disappeared.Ms.
Rumfitt said: "The whole family has been sort of bowled overby
the show of good will.  THe cards have been the best medicinein
the world for
him."------------------------------------------------------------
----------------         From Houston Post Nov. 22, 1989, page
A-13   ******* NOTE THE DATE ********   "Ailing boy has greeting
card record"   AP (London) A 10-year-old boy suffering from a
rare brain    tumor has captured the official world record for
receiving    the most get-well cards, officials said Tuesday.
  Craig Shergold's mountain of 1,256,266 get-well cards tops
the previous record of 1,000,2656 cards held by another
English boy, 12-year-old Mario Morby.     A spokesman at
Guinness Publishing Ltd. said Craig received    an official
certificate and his record will be included in the    next
edition of the book, "The Guiness Book of World Records
1991."     Shergold said from his home in Carshalton, south
London, that    he was confident he would make it into the
record books when his   attempt began Sept. 24.     Marion
Shergold said the attempt to break the world record    began as
a way to cheer up her son after he was too sick to    meet
Princess Diana.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------   From the Houston Post, June 20, 1990, page A-3:
Get Well Cards Keep Coming       (Associated Press)   London -
Despite appeals for it to stop, 10-year-old Craig Shergold
receives hundreds of get-well cards daily from strangers trying
to help    him win a place in the "Guiness Book of World
Records."      Craig, who suffers from a rare form of brain
cancer, broke the    record months ago, but the cards keep
coming. More than 16 million   have arrived.      "We don't want
any more cards because it looks as though we're taking   cards
for no reason," Craig's mother, Marion, said from the family
home   in Carshalton, south London.       "Every card says 'we
hope you make it in the record books,'" she said.      The
get-well cards category was discontinued by Guiness once - after
   Mario Morby held the record with 1,000,265 cards. McFarlan
[presumably   a spokesman for Guiness] said the 13-year-old
English boy is recovering   from leukemia but the family still
receives cards three years later.       McFarlan revived the
category after intense pressure, and Craig now   holds the
record.      "I thought I had decided over a year ago that
(Mario Morby) would be   the last one, but it is very difficult
to hold out against an emotive    press. I couldn't do my job -
well-intentioned, very sentimental people   called me at work,
and I received quite a lot of hate mail, including    one that
said, 'if you have children I hope they die of
cancer.'"--------------------------------------------------------
--------------------     Ask for Cards, and Ye Shall Receive and
Receive and Receive                          by Douglas Burns
    WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- A 7-year-old English boy with
cancer isfinding that once a story hits the modern-day grapevine
of faxmachines and computer bulletin boards, it is impossible to
stop.       Critically ill with a rare brain tumor, Craig
Shergold told hisparents and nurses at a British hospital in
September of his wishto be in the Guinness Book of World Records
for owning the world'slargest collection of post cards. The same
wish was fulfilled onlya year earlier for another English boy
with cancer.       Once the news was out, it flowed through
every conceivablemedium to even the most unimaginable places on
the globe.       Budget Rent A Car in Miami got news about Craig
from a Budgetoffice in Gibraltar and sent one of their employees
out to alertSouth Florida businesses.       ``We also passed it
around to all our offices in the nation,''said Maria Borchers,
director of travel marketing.       Children's Wish
International, a non-profit organization basedin Atlanta, is
also working to get cards for Craig. One of itsappeals made its
way to a computer bulletin board run by Bechtel, aMaryland-based
company with an office in Palm Beach Gardens.       ``We are
getting 10,000 to 15,000 cards for Craig per day,''said Arthur
Stein, director of Children's Wish International.       But
Craig doesn't want any more cards.       In November, he
received a certificate from Guinness after hismountain-sized
collection of 1.5 million cards broke the record setin 1988 by
Mario Morby, a 13-year-old cancer victim.       Since then,
Craig's dream has become a logistical nightmare forhis parents,
phone operators and the Royal Marsden Hospital inSurrey,
England.       Monday, the unofficial count for Craig's
collection reached 4million, said Mark Young, a Guinness
Publishing Ltd. spokesmen. Thehospital has set up a separate
answering service to implore callersto refrain from sending more
postcards.       Despite pleas of mercy and reports in the
media, hundreds ofpost cards continue to pour into the hospital
every day.       ``Thank you for being so kind,'' said Maria
Dest, a nurse atRoyal Marsden. ``But he really does not need any
more post cards.''       Dest said that whenever a corporation
gets wind of Craig'splight, the bundles of mail increase.
``As soon as it starts to slow down, it goes around again,''
shesaid. Dest would not discuss the specifics of his condition.
``Hiscondition is deteriorating, but he is still able to talk
andfunction,'' she said.       Young, with Guinness, said he
gets several calls every day frompeople who question if Craig
Shergold even exists.       ``This is definitely legitimate and
Craig will be in the 1990Guinness Book,'' said Young.       But
because of the problems the two appeals have caused, Youngsaid
Guinness plans to discontinue the category.       The public
outpouring for Mario and now Craig surprisedvirtually everyone
involved, he said.       ``These two boys really captured the
public imagination,''
Youngsaid.-------------------------------------------------------
--------------------- [Ann Landers column, undated but from mid
1991]ONE GUINNESS RECORD ENOUGH FOR BOY=== ======== ======
====== === ===Dear Readers:       Last year I began receiving
tons of letters telling me about a10-year-old English boy who
had a malignant brain tumor. His wish was to bein the Guinness
Book of World Records for receiving the greatest number
ofget-well cards. The boy's name is Craig Shergold.
Several months ago I read a piece in the press saying Craig's
dreamhad become a reality. He surpassed another English lad, a
leukemia victim,who had received 1,000,265 cards, which put him
in the Guinness Book ofWorld Records.       Marion Shergold,
Craig's mother, announced that he had received morethan 33
million get-well cards from all over the world, including cards
fromformer President Reagan, President Bush, Margaret Thatcher
and MikhailGorbachev. She said her family is very grateful for
the overwhelminggenerosity but now she hopes people will stop
sending cards. "Unfortunately,"Mrs. Shergold said, "we are still
receiving thousands every day and have noplace to store them."
Meanwhile, I continue to be swamped with requests fromreaders
asking me to print a plea in my column for *more* cards.       I
decided to follow up on Craig's story, so I contacted the
Make-A-Wish Foundation, which had worked with the Shergolds. The
people there toldme that John Kluge, a Virginia billionaire,
arranged for a brain surgeon inCharlottesville, Va., to operate
on Craig. Kluge brought the entire Shergoldfamily to the United
States so they could be present for the surgery.       Then I
called Marion Shergold in London. She told me the surgery wasa
great success and the Craig is doing beautifully and is expected
to live afull life. She also said, "This is like a fairy tale.
Things like this don'thappen in real life. Mr. Kluge is a
saint." In her marvelous British accent,Mrs. Shergold said
excitedly, "Tonight we are having a God Bless Americaparty.
About 150 people are coming to celebrate Craig's great good
fortune."       Now, dear readers, this lovely story now turns a
little sour. I justreceived a request from a well-known Chicago
man, asking me to publicize thefact that the same lad who broke
the world's record for get-well cards wouldnow like to break
another world's record - this time for collecting the
mostbusiness cards. This man is one of dozens of affluent,
high-profileAmericans who are faxing and chain-lettering [it's a
noun! it's a verb! it'sa desert topping!  --jjw] their friends
on behalf of Craig's "new project."In the chain letter, Craig's
name is misspelled, his age is given as 7, whenactually he is
11, and the address is incorrect. These errors set off thealarm
signals in my head. [so THAT's what it takes!  --jjw]
Chain letters themselves are an abomination. I never read them,
norwould I foist them on anyone, much less ask my readers to
keep the chaingoing.       What's more, Marion Shergold wants
everyone to know that theShergolds did not ask for business
cards and they do not know what to dowith the 10,000 that are
arriving daily. While they greatly appreciate thekindness of the
American people, they asked that I please help put a stop tothis
well-meaning effort that is turning into a nightmare. Soooooo,
to allthe good-hearted people who may be inclined to send a
business card, pleasedon't.       I would also like to point out
that your business card, which mostlikely lists your phone
number and address, could fall into the wrong handsand become
part of the mother

of all mailing lists. Sharp-eyed scamperpetrators, always on the
alert for suckers, may figure if you'd fall forthis, you'd fall
for
anything.--------------------------------------------------------
--------------------In the Romford Yellow Advertiser, I saw the
following article the otherday:                      Craig, 8,
has cards recordThe parents of cancer sufferer Craig Shergold,
8, have requested that nomore get well cards be sent to their
home.Last year Craig, who lives in Surrey and was diagnosed as
having just ashort time left to live, launched an attempt to
gain an entry in theGuinness Book of Records as the person
receiving the most cards.Recently letters have been circulating
amongst businesses in South EastEssex encouraging firms to send
more cards.But a spokeswoman at the Guinness Book of Records
told the `YellowAdvertiser': "Craig has made the record and will
be entered in the nextedition of the book. His parents have
requested that no more cards besent as they have been
inundated."------------------------------------------------------
----------------------Now for the "proof" part:IS he actually
*IN* The 1991 Guinness Book of World Records???Yes, he is.  On
page 487:  "Craig Shergold of Carshalton, Surrey, United
Kingdom, had collected a  record 16,250,692 get-well cards by
May,
1990."-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------------One thing that does not come over from this is
the HUGE PROBLEM thisdhas been for the london hospital at the
receiving end.  Do thearithemetic.Craig has been sent about
33,000,000 cards.  This has been going on for4 years (or so), so
that is 1,000 working days.  Thus each day thehospital has to
sift through 33,000 cards looking for money in them
(notunusual), or more realistically the hospital's normal
post!(OK, I know that a lot of the cards are stored in the US
somewhere, butI wanted to make a point).Also, think about the
stupendous waste of money this has been. 33,000,000 cards at
(about) 50 UK pence, plus 33,000,000 postages atabout an average
of 20 UK pence is 70 times 33,000,000 giving about23,100,000 UK
pounds.  The money would have been better spent on a wholeraft
of things - dare I say it, even Cancer Research!Charles H.
Chapman  (GTRI/MATD)             [phone]Georgia Institute
of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332uucp:
...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!matd!cchapmanInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 24
Apr 92 13:56:04 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!olivea!news.bbn.com!bbn.com!chowe@netwo
rk.UCSD.EDUSubject: PK-232 Rx Going WeakTo:
[e-mail]@austin.lockheed.com (R M Kriss)
writes:>       ---------- IS YOUR PK-232 GOING DEAF?
------------>                              By Dick Kriss,
KD5VU>My PK-232MBX was slowly going deaf. The transmit was okay,
but I was having>trouble receiving packets. I would connect to a
station and get good ACKs, but>was having trouble printing them
and since I was not receiving their packet,>they would time out
waiting for me to ACK. This problem did not happen over>night
but seemed to degrade with time.>Called AEA and the technician
suggested I change out U-20, MC-1488. I used a
                                         ^^^^^^^>Radio Shack
276-2520 Quad Line Driver. It worked! I have to admit it was
not>easy to remove the old IC that was soldered to the board. It
now has a socket!Forgive me if I'm confused, but I think that
this was not a case of yourPK-232 going deaf, but instead
becoming mute.  The MC-1488 is (I think)an RS-232 line driver,
meaning that it was used to speak to your computeron the serial
port.  So I think your PK-232 was hearing ok, but it wasn'table
to communicate what it heard from the radio to your computer.Not
that this is a big deal, but I think it is important for anyone
wantingto do this to understand what they are "fixing" by
replacing this chip.If your real problem is lack of receive
sensitivity, I don't think replacingthis chip will
help.CarlWG1V------------------------------Date: Thu, 23 Apr
1992 13:25:06 GMTFrom:
psinntp!ncrlnk!ciss!lawday![e-mail]: Where to
find INTRONOS at ucsd.eduTo: [e-mail] my message
announcing INTRONOS.NEW at ucsd.edu:Brian has already moved and
renamed the file (thanks!).  It's inhamradio/packet/tcpip/docs
as "intronos.zip".Enjoy!John
[e-mail]-- John R. Ackermann, Jr.
   Law Department, NCR Corporation, Dayton, Ohio(513) 445-2966
     [e-mail] Radio: ag9v@n8acv
 tcp/ip: [e-mail]
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Digest V92 #111To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
26 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 111Today's Topics:
    AX.25 Link-Layer Docs (ISO-3309)???
Educating the unwashed (2 msgs)                             PHS
Software                          PK-232 Tip for Rx
        WA4DSY 56 kbit/s MODEM ??Send Replies or notes for
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personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 25 Apr 92 22:12:32 GMTFrom:
know!hri.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!world![e-mail]:
 AX.25 Link-Layer Docs (ISO-3309)???To: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:>The AX.25 document didn't go into great
detail in computing the CRC>mainly because the standard practice
at the time was to use commercial>HDLC chips (Zilog SIO or 8530,
WD 1933, Intel 8273, etc) and these all>compute and check the
CRC automatically. With the recent popularity of>the "software
HDLC chip" (a big step backward, in my opinion) I guess>there's
a need to define the CRC calculation in more detail.>ISO 3309
has an unusual (for ISO) annex titled "Explanatory notes
on>implementation of the frame checking sequence (Not part of
the>standard)". But it consists mainly of a page of algebra
showing how a>CRC can be mathematically represented as the
division or>multiplication of polynomials. The other page hints
that the actual>implementation includes a shift register, but
nowhere does it show>what the actual circuit looks like (a shift
register with taps feeding>exclusive-OR gates providing
feedback.)>Useless. And perfectly typical for ISO.Another useful
reference is the September 1986 issue of Byte Magazine.On Page
115 there is a article titled "Calculating CRCs by bits and
bytes".It covers several CRC methods (including the HDLC one),
explains the"shift registers", and gives example code for bit
and byte orientedcalculations.I was sucessful in implementing a
routine to check pacsat protocol crcs byreading the article and
the pacsat docs.I aggree you should test it with a "real" HDLC
chip to see that it works.73 Eric WB1HBU [e-mail]
------------------------------Date: 25 Apr 92 21:37:19 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!at
t!bu.edu!wang![e-mail]: Educating the
unwashedTo: [e-mail]@locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
writes:>This morning I was chatting with some of the Antelope
Valley locals>[...]>Huh? Another station then sagely chimes in,
"Well, you can read all those>papers and tear your shack all
apart making mods but it all doesn't>matter".>[...]>But, I think
that might just be an exercise in futility. Maybe I'll>just work
on a few locals, set up an IP net on the locally
sanctioned>packet frequency (which sees zero activity), and
ignore the unwashed.>What do y'all think?I think that you should
forge ahead, document your results, get some peoplewho are
interested in experimentation to help, and then when themajority
decides that you were right (even if they don't know "you"were
even involved in early experiments & tests), you can say to
yourself, "I was right."  And next time, you will feel even
better about venturinginto the unproven!It's hard to quickly
change the mind of the majority (history says that's good), but
it's nice to know you were right, "way back when..."I'd be
interested to know how you do with your experiment.Regards, and
(literally) 73,Dave  [e-mail]--
=================================================================
====Dave Bushong              +       What happened?  -
CurlyWang Laboratories, Inc.   +              Nothin'  -
Moe==============================================================
=======------------------------------Date: 26 Apr 1992 03:52:21
GMTFrom: ucsd.edu![e-mail]: Educating the
unwashedTo: [e-mail]@locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
writes:>So, I'm tempted to prepare a presentation for the local
club meeting>where I attempt to explain some of the mystical
terminology of packet>(like, "What is FRACK?") and get the
packet users to look things like>the CNC proceedings rather than
just flying by the seat of their pants.>But, I think that might
just be an exercise in futility.If your packet community is
anything like the local packet communityhere in San Diego, you
will educate a few, piss off a few, and bore themajority who are
convinced they already know everything  there is toknow in
packet because they have an advanced station - a PK64.If you can
suffer fools well (something I've never been able to do),the few
you educate will be worth your time.Take a few props with you.
A squirt pistol, a 2x4 with nails stickingout of it, and an AK47
all suggest themselves as attention gettingdevices, but perhaps
only the squirt pistol is necessary.  My currentfavourite is a
Super-Soaker 200, good for nearly 20 feet range, nearly afull
minute continuous stream, and 2 liters of ammo.If you're worried
about attendance, offer free Geritol.  Never failsto attract a
crowd.    - Brian------------------------------Date: 24 Apr 92
15:31:58 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!spacm1.spac.spc.com!xenon!skyld!jan
[e-mail]: PHS SoftwareTo:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:  >   > Does anyone
have any information where I can get the PHS software?  It  >
evidently is like the THS software for the DRSI card, but runs
on the  > PK232 by AEA.  I am a little hard to get a hold of on
this Net.  >   > I have the program available on 360K diskette.
I will make copies for anyonewho is willing to take the time to
mail me a pre-posted return mailer with aformatted
diskette.xenon!skyld!jangus   < This space left blank
intentionally. >J Angus, PO Box 4425, Carson CA 90749-4425 voice
[phone]------------------------------Date: 25 Apr 1992
17:59:42 -0700From: [e-mail]: PK-232
Tip for RxTo: [e-mail] PK-232MBX was slowly going
deaf. The transmit was okay, but I was havingtrouble receiving
packets. I would connect to a station and get good ACKs, butwas
having trouble printing them and since I was not receiving their
packet,they would time out waiting for me to ACK. This problem
did not happen overnight but seemed to degrade with time.Called
AEA and the technician suggested I change out U-20, MC-1488. I
used aRadio Shack 276-2520 Quad Line Driver. It worked! I have
to admit it was noteasy to remove the old IC that was soldered
to the board. It now has a socket!If your PK-232 seems to be
going deaf, consider replacing U-20. Much thanks toAEA for the
tip. Save me having to send the PK-232 off for repair.73 de
Dick, [e-mail]5VU @
N5LJF.#AUS.TX.USA.NA------------------------------Date: 24 Apr
92 15:42:02 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!spacm1.spac.spc.com!xenon!skyld!jan
[e-mail]: WA4DSY 56 kbit/s MODEM ??To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:  >   > Hello !  >   >   > I
would like to know where and how to buy the WA4DSY 56 kbit/s
MODEM kit.  >   > I have read about GRAPES, but I have no
address or whatsoever.  > Georgia Radio Amateur Packet
Enthusiasts Society, Inc.GRAPES, Inc.56 KB ModemsPO Box
871Alpharetta, GA 30239-0871This is thier published mailing
address since I have yet to receive an
e-mailresponse.xenon!skyld!jangus   < This space left blank
intentionally. >J Angus, PO Box 4425, Carson CA 90749-4425 voice
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Digest V92 #112To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
27 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 112Today's Topics:
        Internet <> Packet GatewaysSend Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1992 02:38:10 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!metro!ob1![e-mail]:
Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo: [e-mail] All,
Thanks you for reading this,  I am trying to compile a list of
all Internet <> Packet Gateways.  If you have any info the would
help me could you please  sent it to me.  Thanks in advance.
Cheers de Daniel.Internet:
[e-mail]:
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Digest V92 #113To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
28 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 113Today's Topics:ARRL's
"Business Rule" proposal - automatic retransmission prohibited?
               AX.25 Link-Layer Docs (ISO-3309)???
      Packet-Radio Digest V92 #111                  PK-232 RF
Ground Loop Modification                      WA4DSY 56 kbit/s
MODEM ??Send Replies or notes for publication to:
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-----------Date: Mon, 27 Apr 92 16:07:59 GMTFrom:
netcomsv!mork![e-mail]: ARRL's "Business
Rule" proposal - automatic retransmission prohibited?To:
[e-mail]@pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:: I
read in the March(?) QST that the ARRL requested that the FCC
change: their rules slightly on the "Business" use of ham radio.
 Most of it: seemed to make pretty good sense, but buried at the
end of their: proposal was a section that "With the exception of
stations in: Auxiliary, Repeater, and Space operations, amateur
stations are: prohibited from automatically retransmitting other
amateur's: transmissions." or some such.  Sounds to me like a
big problem for: packet operations....  Did anyone else catch
this, or did I just read: it wrong?: : Willie Smith:
[e-mail] reason as I understand it is that the ARRL
has chosen to seperate the two issues, i.e. responsibility for
transmission andbusiness content.  ARRL feels they have a good
chance of getting the97.113 modification through, but will run
into problems withthe commission on "who's responsible" for a
transmission. The league has approached FCC about the
responsiblity issueat least once in their comments to FCC on the
1989 re-writeif memory serves.  These comments fell on deaf
ears.  Considerthis not a dead issue, but not tactically
advisable to pursuein this proceeding.  Linking the two issues
would cause nochange all at this time.  I'd rather see 97.113
lightened upthen pursue the other issue vigorously.Steve KA6S
------------------------------Date: 27 Apr 1992 19:47:32
-0700From: [e-mail]: AX.25 Link-Layer
Docs (ISO-3309)???To: [e-mail]>>The AX.25 document
didn't go into great detail in computing the CRC>>mainly because
the standard practice at the time was to use commercial>>HDLC
chips (Zilog SIO or 8530, WD 1933, Intel 8273, etc) and these
all>>compute and check the CRC automatically. With the recent
popularity of>>the "software HDLC chip" (a big step backward, in
my opinion) I guess>>there's a need to define the CRC
calculation in more detail. ...stuff deleted...>Another useful
reference is the September 1986 issue of Byte Magazine.>On Page
115 there is a article titled "Calculating CRCs by bits and
bytes".>It covers several CRC methods (including the HDLC one),
explains the>"shift registers", and gives example code for bit
and byte oriented>calculations. ...more stuff deleted...A good
tutorial article on CRC's is "A Tutorial on CRC Computations"
inIEEE Micro, August 1988, p. 62-75.  The information is
presented at a moreadvanced level than Byte Magazine so it may
be useful to those implementingthe algorithm; it also includes
many references for those interested in thegory details.  (IEEE
is the Institute of Electrical  and ElectronicsEngineers.)Jeff
Austen, k9ja, bitnet:
jra1854@tntech------------------------------Date: 27 Apr 1992
12:44:25 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #111To: [e-mail]
anyone help me in serching for this integrated circuit, used in
TNCs:TCM 3105  FSK modem.Thanks,HAROLD SANCHEZUnidad de
Investigacion y Desarrollo - DOT - San PedroInstituto
Costarricense de ElectricidadApartado 10032San JoseCOSTA
RICAVOICE (506) 343543 (HOME)FAX   [phone] (WORK)BITNET:
hsanchez@ucrvm2X.400 :
C=ch;A=arcom;P=itu;O=rpoa;OU1=ctr;OU2=ice;S=sanchez;G=harold-----
-------------------------Date: 28 Apr 92 03:21:46 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!shrike![e-mail]
: PK-232 RF Ground Loop ModificationTo:
[e-mail] to several who E-Mailed me a copy of
the subject article.Dick, KD5VUOn: 4/27/92 10:25:49 PM
CST------------------------------Date: 27 Apr 92 13:57:13
GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!wa4mei!nanovx![e-mail].
EDUSubject: WA4DSY 56 kbit/s MODEM ??To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Angus)
writes:>Georgia Radio Amateur Packet Enthusiasts Society,
Inc.>>GRAPES, Inc.>56 KB Modems>PO Box 871>Alpharetta, GA
30239-0871>>This is thier published mailing address since I have
yet to receive an e-mail>response.Well, here is the email
response you have been looking for....GRAPES is real small when
it comes to modems, it is just a clubproject that keeps getting
bigger.  If you have any questionsabout the modem/availability,
please drop me a line.  I'm thecurrent President of GRAPES
(Sucker/volunteer).  I'm also highlyinvolved in the local LANS.
Currently most of the core group ofGRAPES volunteers were at
Dayton, and should be returning to theirreqular lives of little
or no time to devote to the tasks at hand.Important Email
addresses -    emory!nanovx!dennis    (Dennis Boylan N4ZMZ)
(myself)    emory!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary    (Gary Coffman KE4ZV) (prolific
on usenet...)    emory!kd4nc!dug        (Doug Drye KD4NC) (shipping, et
al)Hopefully we can finish up some projects and emailing to us
will besomething like -    [e-mail] all of this takes
time...  Should get to it before the end of theyear...  Dennis--
Dennis Boylan N4ZMZ (...!{emory|gatech}!nanovx!dennis)4422
Northshore Ln.  Norcross, GA.
30093------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #113******************************Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92
04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #114To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
29 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 114Today's Topics:
    Best of both worlds? (PBBS & TCP/IP)
Internet <> Packet Gateways (2 msgs)                        KA9Q
for the Hp 48sx??                                MDT's
         NET/Mac Console Cmd for PK-232Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 29 Apr 92 06:32:47 GMTFrom:
claris!apple![e-mail]: Best of both worlds?
(PBBS & TCP/IP)To: [e-mail]'ve been waiting for
all the real experts to get home from Daytonand answer this
question, but since there's still no sign of them... :-)If all
you need to do is read bulletins from someone else's PBBS,NOS is
just fine; just use its AX.25 capabilities. But it soundslike
you want to be able to collect messages on your own node; inthat
case, I'll let someone else answer the question of whether
there'sany version of NOS that can do that.Patty--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
     ::   Patty Winter N6BIS    Internet: [e-mail]
::              ::   Sunnyvale, California    AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
      ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
------------------------------Date: 28 Apr 92 05:37:28 GMTFrom:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!slic![e-mail]:
Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo:
[e-mail]@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Daniel
Godden) writes:>   I am trying to compile a list of all Internet
<> Packet Gateways.>   If you have any info the would help me
could you please>   sent it to me....and will you post your
responses to the net?--Mike Shirley, WB6WUI          INET:
[e-mail] Box 460  (San Diego)       UUCP:
{hplabs!hp-sdd nosc}!crash!slic!mikeyLakeside, CA 92040-0460
  GEnie: SLIC------------------------------Date: Wed, 29 Apr
1992 01:36:52 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!metro!extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU![e-mail]
ject: Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo:
[e-mail]@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Daniel
Godden) writes:>   I am trying to compile a list of all Internet
<> Packet Gateways.>   If you have any info the would help me
could you please>   sent it to me.I tried to email you, but the
addresss above appears not to be a validaddress ... a question
that I would ask, why do you want to know ?Terry-- Terry Dawson,
[e-mail], [e-mail]+61 2
925 1556 (voice), [phone] (fax).   __\*/__  0^Ooooo
_____------------------------------Date: 27 Apr 92 21:14:38
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!
hpcc05!hpdmd48![e-mail]: KA9Q for the Hp
48sx??To: [e-mail] am only familiar with a version
for the 95LX ---John------------------------------Date: 28 Apr
92 13:43:52 GMTFrom: ub.d.umn.edu![e-mail]:
MDT'sTo: [e-mail] police here have changed over
to MDT's.  Being a very seriousscanner listener, I would like to
monitor these signals.  The reason Ipost here is because they
are using a digital form of communication andwhat better place
to ask about DIGITAL than fellow digitizers.Anyone else out
there trying to do what I am?  Is it possible to breaktheir
codification?  Anyone having
success?Gary------------------------------Date: 28 Apr 92
21:32:45 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!shrike!kriss@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUSubject: NET/Mac Console Cmd for PK-232To:
[e-mail] is a Macintosh, PK-232 and NET/Mac
tcpip posting. I need help with a Console command. What command
can you  issue from theConsole (or autoexec.net file) to change
the PK-232 for HF operation? The twocommands I would like to
issue are:    VHF        OFF    HBAUD   300The 'only' way I have been
able to change from VHF to HF is to manually makethe changes in
normal ax25 mode, quite the non-ip program and then loadNET/Mac.
This is a pain! Hopefully, someone has figured out how to
command thePK-232 from NET/Mac's Console window.Please reply via
E-Mail or PacketDick Kriss, [e-mail]5VU
@ N5LJF.#AUS.TX.USA.NAOn: 4/28/92 4:38:25 PM
CST------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#114******************************Date: Thu, 30 Apr 92 04:30:03
PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #115To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
30 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 115Today's Topics:
              (none) (3 msgs)                 Best of both
worlds? (PBBS & TCP/IP)                         Digicom
Whereabouts                     DSP2232, AEA, DSP12, and me
                   G8BPQ & W0RLI & NOS           Interfacing
EPSON EG-7004S-AR flat panel LCD???                     Internet
<> Packet Gateways                        K9NG data recovery mod
                  KA9Q for the Hp 48sx?? (3 msgs)
    NET/Mac Console Cmd for PK-232
Police MDTs (2 msgs)                 Rejected posting to
I-PACRAD@UIUCVMDTHIS MAIL IS BEING RETURNED BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER
READ BY THE (3 msgs)                             WEFAX HELP!Send
Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>Send
subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 29 Apr 1992 06:27:19 -0700From:
[e-mail]: (none)To:
[e-mail]>From Packet-Radio Wed Apr 29 04:30:02 PDT
1992 remote from UCSD.EduReceived: by ucsd.edu; id
AA06991    sendmail 5.64/UCSD-2.2-sun    Wed, 29 Apr 92 04:30:05 -0700
for infmx!brucebReceived: by ucsd.edu; id AA06986    sendmail
5.64/UCSD-2.2-sun    Wed, 29 Apr 92 04:30:04 -0700 for
/usr/lib/sendmail -oc -odb -oQ/var/spool/lqueue -oi
-fpacket-radio-relay packet-radio-listMessage-Id:
<[e-mail]>Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92 04:30:02
PDTFrom: ucsd.edu!packet-radio (Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup)Errors-To: [e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #114To: UCSD.EDU!packet-radio Content-Type:
textContent-Length: 4964Packet-Radio Digest         Wed, 29 Apr
92       Volume 92 : Issue 114Today's Topics:
Best of both worlds? (PBBS & TCP/IP)                 Internet <>
Packet Gateways (2 msgs)                        KA9Q for the Hp
48sx??                                MDT's
NET/Mac Console Cmd for PK-232Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 29 Apr 92 06:32:47 GMTFrom:
claris!apple![e-mail]: Best of both worlds?
(PBBS & TCP/IP)To: [e-mail]'ve been waiting for
all the real experts to get home from Daytonand answer this
question, but since there's still no sign of them... :-)If all
you need to do is read bulletins from someone else's PBBS,NOS is
just fine; just use its AX.25 capabilities. But it soundslike
you want to be able to collect messages on your own node; inthat
case, I'll let someone else answer the question of whether
there'sany version of NOS that can do that.Patty--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
     ::   Patty Winter N6BIS    Internet: [e-mail]
::              ::   Sunnyvale, California    AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
      ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
------------------------------Date: 28 Apr 92 05:37:28 GMTFrom:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!slic![e-mail]:
Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo:
[e-mail]@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Daniel
Godden) writes:>   I am trying to compile a list of all Internet
<> Packet Gateways.>   If you have any info the would help me
could you please>   sent it to me....and will you post your
responses to the net?--Mike Shirley, WB6WUI          INET:
[e-mail] Box 460  (San Diego)       UUCP:
{hplabs!hp-sdd nosc}!crash!slic!mikeyLakeside, CA 92040-0460
  GEnie: SLIC------------------------------Date: Wed, 29 Apr
1992 01:36:52 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!metro!extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU![e-mail]
ject: Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo:
[e-mail]@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Daniel
Godden) writes:>   I am trying to compile a list of all Internet
<> Packet Gateways.>   If you have any info the would help me
could you please>   sent it to me.I tried to email you, but the
addresss above appears not to be a validaddress ... a question
that I would ask, why do you want to know ?Terry-- Terry Dawson,
[e-mail], [e-mail]+61 2
925 1556 (voice), [phone] (fax).   __\*/__  0^Ooooo
_____------------------------------Date: 27 Apr 92 21:14:38
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!
hpcc05!hpdmd48![e-mail]: KA9Q for the Hp
48sx??To: [e-mail] am only familiar with a version
for the 95LX ---John------------------------------Date: 28 Apr
92 13:43:52 GMTFrom: ub.d.umn.edu![e-mail]:
MDT'sTo: [e-mail] police here have changed over
to MDT's.  Being a very seriousscanner listener, I would like to
monitor these signals.  The reason Ipost here is because they
are using a digital form of communication andwhat better place
to ask about DIGITAL than fellow digitizers.Anyone else out
there trying to do what I am?  Is it possible to breaktheir
codification?  Anyone having
success?Gary------------------------------Date: 28 Apr 92
21:32:45 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!shrike!kriss@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUSubject: NET/Mac Console Cmd for PK-232To:
[e-mail] is a Macintosh, PK-232 and NET/Mac
tcpip posting. I need help with a Console command. What command
can you  issue from theConsole (or autoexec.net file) to change
the PK-232 for HF operation? The twocommands I would like to
issue are:    VHF        OFF    HBAUD   300The 'only' way I have been
able to change from VHF to HF is to manually makethe changes in
normal ax25 mode, quite the non-ip program and then loadNET/Mac.
This is a pain! Hopefully, someone has figured out how to
command thePK-232 from NET/Mac's Console window.Please reply via
E-Mail or PacketDick Kriss, [e-mail]5VU
@ N5LJF.#AUS.TX.USA.NAOn: 4/28/92 4:38:25 PM
CST------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#114******************************------------------------------D
ate: 29 Apr 1992 07:55:51 -0700From:
[e-mail]: (none)To:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
29 Apr 1992 08:27:07 -0700From:
[e-mail]: (none)To:
[e-mail]>From Packet-Radio Wed Apr 29 04:30:02 PDT
1992 remote from UCSD.EduReceived: by ucsd.edu; id
AA06991    sendmail 5.64/UCSD-2.2-sun    Wed, 29 Apr 92 04:30:05 -0700
for infmx!brucebReceived: by ucsd.edu; id AA06986    sendmail
5.64/UCSD-2.2-sun    Wed, 29 Apr 92 04:30:04 -0700 for
/usr/lib/sendmail -oc -odb -oQ/var/spool/lqueue -oi
-fpacket-radio-relay packet-radio-listMessage-Id:
<[e-mail]>Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92 04:30:02
PDTFrom: ucsd.edu!packet-radio (Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup)Errors-To: [e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #114To: UCSD.EDU!packet-radio Content-Type:
textContent-Length: 4964Packet-Radio Digest         Wed, 29 Apr
92       Volume 92 : Issue 114Today's Topics:
Best of both worlds? (PBBS & TCP/IP)                 Internet <>
Packet Gateways (2 msgs)                        KA9Q for the Hp
48sx??                                MDT's
NET/Mac Console Cmd for PK-232Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 29 Apr 92 06:32:47 GMTFrom:
claris!apple![e-mail]: Best of both worlds?
(PBBS & TCP/IP)To: [e-mail]'ve been waiting for
all the real experts to get home from Daytonand answer this
question, but since there's still no sign of them... :-)If all
you need to do is read bulletins from someone else's PBBS,NOS is
just fine; just use its AX.25 capabilities. But it soundslike
you want to be able to collect messages on your own node; inthat
case, I'll let someone else answer the question of whether
there'sany version of NOS that can do that.Patty--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
     ::   Patty Winter N6BIS    Internet: [e-mail]
::              ::   Sunnyvale, California    AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
      ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
------------------------------Date: 28 Apr 92 05:37:28 GMTFrom:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!slic![e-mail]:
Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo:
[e-mail]@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Daniel
Godden) writes:>   I am trying to compile a list of all Internet
<> Packet Gateways.>   If you have any info the would help me
could you please>   sent it to me....and will you post your
responses to the net?--Mike Shirley, WB6WUI          INET:
[e-mail] Box 460  (San Diego)       UUCP:
{hplabs!hp-sdd nosc}!crash!slic!mikeyLakeside, CA 92040-0460
  GEnie: SLIC------------------------------Date: Wed, 29 Apr
1992 01:36:52 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!metro!extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU![e-mail]
ject: Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo:
[e-mail]@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Daniel
Godden) writes:>   I am trying to compile a list of all Internet
<> Packet Gateways.>   If you have any info the would help me
could you please>   sent it to me.I tried to email you, but the
addresss above appears not to be a validaddress ... a question
that I would ask, why do you want to know ?Terry-- Terry Dawson,
[e-mail], [e-mail]+61 2
925 1556 (voice), [phone] (fax).   __\*/__  0^Ooooo
_____------------------------------Date: 27 Apr 92 21:14:38
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!
hpcc05!hpdmd48![e-mail]: KA9Q for the Hp
48sx??To: [e-mail] am only familiar with a version
for the 95LX ---John------------------------------Date: 28 Apr
92 13:43:52 GMTFrom: ub.d.umn.edu![e-mail]:
MDT'sTo: [e-mail] police here have changed over
to MDT's.  Being a very seriousscanner listener, I would like to
monitor these signals.  The reason Ipost here is because they
are using a digital form of communication andwhat better place
to ask about DIGITAL than fellow digitizers.Anyone else out
there trying to do what I am?  Is it possible to breaktheir
codification?  Anyone having
success?Gary------------------------------Date: 28 Apr 92
21:32:45 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!shrike!kriss@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUSubject: NET/Mac Console Cmd for PK-232To:
[e-mail] is a Macintosh, PK-232 and NET/Mac
tcpip posting. I need help with a Console command. What command
can you  issue from theConsole (or autoexec.net file) to change
the PK-232 for HF operation? The twocommands I would like to
issue are:    VHF        OFF    HBAUD   300The 'only' way I have been
able to change from VHF to HF is to manually makethe changes in
normal ax25 mode, quite the non-ip program and then loadNET/Mac.
This is a pain! Hopefully, someone has figured out how to
command thePK-232 from NET/Mac's Console window.Please reply via
E-Mail or PacketDick Kriss, [e-mail]5VU
@ N5LJF.#AUS.TX.USA.NAOn: 4/28/92 4:38:25 PM
CST------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#114******************************------------------------------D
ate: 30 Apr 92 01:46:35 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usene
t.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast![e-mail]: Best of
both worlds? (PBBS & TCP/IP)To: [e-mail] quoted
from <[e-mail]> by [e-mail] (Patty
Winter):+---------------| I've been waiting for all the real
experts to get home from Dayton| and answer this question, but
since there's still no sign of them... :-)+---------------I'm
not one, but I play one on radio.  :-)+---------------| If all
you need to do is read bulletins from someone else's PBBS,| NOS
is just fine; just use its AX.25 capabilities. But it sounds|
like you want to be able to collect messages on your own node;
in| that case, I'll let someone else answer the question of
whether there's| any version of NOS that can do
that.+---------------Several versions of G1EMM and PA0GRI have
BBS forwarding capability; PA0GRIis more complete in that it can
do hierarchical BBS addresses, but at leastthe 2.0f version is
said to be buggy.  (I haven't tried it yet; the only BBS Ican
reach readily won't forward to me due to the already existing
traffic onthe frequencies he's on.  I can well see the point,
especially since I don'tsee a real need for it in my case
anyway.)++Brandon-- Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]
 [e-mail] Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may
call myself that...)------------------------------Date: 29 Apr
1992 13:14:49 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Digicom WhereaboutsTo: [e-mail]!       I'm
trying to put together a packet station from scratch after
gettinginterested in it through reading. My budget is tiny :-),
so I've obtained asecondhand Commodore 64 and am aiming at
getting licensed in November whenthe next Uk Radio Amateurs Exam
happens. In the meantime I'm looking for theDigicom software and
construction details/schematic for its associated Bell 202modem.
Can anyone send these to me or post info on where they can be
obtained by ftpor mail file-server? The C64 will soon have an
RS232 interface and then C64/128 Kermit, so downloads should be
possible. I'm interested in TCP/IP but participation in AMPRNET
will have to wait untilPC prices go lower. Thanks in Advance!
              Steve Rudman  PS If I've assumed wrong and Digicom
is *not* freely copyable for am radpurposes then the address of
a dealer stocking it in the UK would be useful. Janet:
"hooke::icarus::rudman" @ uk.ac.ox.atm.isams-or-  Janet:
umeeb37 @ uk.ac.ic.cc.vaxa   (if my local host is
down)------------------------------Date: 29 Apr 92 16:39:46
GMTFrom: idacrd![e-mail]: DSP2232, AEA, DSP12,
and meTo: [e-mail]:I have finally gotten a
belly full of people doing what the gentleman didto me yesterday
and to which I responded.  I am sending a long statement.It is
not a flame, however.  You may have no interest in it
whatsoever, andI encourage you to hit the n key now if you are
uninterested in my personalaffairs, in AMSAT, AEA, DSP, LL
Grace, etc.  He has written me a verynice note, and I appreciate
it.  He is quite correct that I should stateexactly where I fit
in all this.  I will now.AEA has, through a corporation set up
in New Jersey to handle the DSP-2232,the Paccomm PSK-1, DOVE
hardware for AMSAT, etc. paid to me a grand totalof a whopping
$16,000 for expenses on 3 years work on this box.  I can
assureyou that has not even remotely covered the costs to
myself.  Not evenclose.  Not anywhere near close.  I do not even
own the DSP2232 I am writingcode on.  I wrote Quiktrak.  I gave
it to AMSAT for four versions.  BeforeAntonio wrote Instantrak,
it was the single largest source of revenuefor AMSAT, raising
hundreds of thousands of dollars for AMSAT and they havenever
paid me a dime for it.  AEA owns the hardware and software in
the DSP2232and will not pay me a nickel in royalties on ANY of
it.  In return for these, Iget to do things for AMSAT and in
amateur radio that people only dream aboutdoing.  I get to go
stand on the gantry of launch vehicles, and work on
spacehardware that many would give half a lifetime to work on.
For not receivingroyalties on the AEA hardware, I get to keep
all my software SOURCE and AEAcannot sell it or show it and that
ladies and gentlemen is worth a bundle.  Iget AEA to loan me
equipment for my personal use that I could never remotelyhope to
afford.  I get the benefit of learning an immense amount of
stuffthat has been very helpful to my day job and had
experiences that I haveapplied to it and for which I have
received many accolades at work.  I havereceived compensation
that to me is irreplacable.  I am not a saint however. Iwill
write modems for commercial use and for that AEA will pay a
bundle. Ialso get the right to brag as far and as wide as I want
to about myachievements. If AEA had paid what I was worth in
doing this, none of youcould remotely ever dream of affording
this box.  I will not brag about thequality of the modems done
for the final hardware (that hardware upgradekit many of you got
is what I am talking about) versus others.  I'll let wordof
mouth from people who own the various boxes tell the tale as
those of youget the new ROM from AEA over the next month.  I
make the following pledge. Ifyou find a modem ANYWHERE that
outperforms the ones in this box, I will notstop working on them
until they are the best or find out why they cannot be thebest
because of the comprimises we made in making this box do
`everything' andtell you about it.  The gentlemen yesterday told
what Brooks (LL Grace) did forhis customers.  I apologize for
this taking so long, but this is being donethrough a company
with real people working for it, and many things on
theirplatter, and it is taking them longer to respond than I
would have liked andthat is partially my fault.  Because it is
being done via a commercialcompany, you will not get the
experimenter's package with schematics, floppies,programming
models, assembler's, debuggers, for free.  They will have
costsassociated with making these available in a professional
form, and  in a formthey will be proud to have their name on and
one that they can easily supportfor years to come.  That is what
you get (and pay for) when you buy from abigger company versus a
garage operation.  They pay full time staff to supportyou as
best they can.  We all know that is not perfect but it is better
formost people than getting an answering machine while the guy
is at his day joband hoping he will call back that night.  I
cannot believe what Brooks has beenable to put together in the
DSP-12 working in his garage with help from othershe got all on
his own.  I congratulate him on it and wish him well.  It isa
great personal achievement for him and his team.  His work on
this andon the Kansas City Tracker have made sure that he will
go down as one of thebest technical innovators in amateur radio.
 I will stand by my feelings thathis temporary time at the top
on these DSP multimodes is over.  For those ofyou who insist on
programming the host processor, the DSP processor, and wantto
spend time on that (all couple of dozen of you) it is the right
way to gofor you if you program C or assembler on a PC.  It has
a V40 in it, and he hasmade it easily accessible to you.  That
is great.  He is definitely serving aniche that AEA is not, and
maybe will not support.  I will probably buy onemyself and play
with it since I am pretty good C and assembler programmermyself
(see reference to Quiktrak above).  I have written code for the
V40, itnow flies in space as the command and control system on
four Microsats, and so I am pretty familiar with it.  It is not
the best IO processor however.It has some real drawbacks for
doing this kind of work.  I am sure that Brookswill be glad to
impress you with how he has had to struggle to get it to doall
the jobs it needed to do and (say) keep up with 9600 bps
sustained fromUO-22.  On the other hand, from the first day I
got the DSP2232 host code fromN6IA, it would breeze through
19200 bps.  The 64180 is simply faster athandling byte oriented
IO than the V40. PERIOD. DMA (which only the DSP2232has) on the
8530 in the final version has sped it up even more, End
discussion.To add insult to injury on the timing side, the 64180
is clocked faster inthe DSP-2232 than the V40 is in Brooks box
and it is eight bit instructionsrather than having an eight bit
data space and doing two fetches to get the16 bit instructions!
It all adds up and the bottom line is that for doing theIO job
these boxes want done, the 64180 implementation is hands down
fasterthan the V40 implementation in the DSP-12.  It depends on
what you want!Steve is hacking around now to support sustained
38400 so that we can easilysupport full quality, 256 shades of
grey as many pixels per inch as are in theoriginal signal, SSTV,
WEFAX, etc.  The drawbacks are that this processor isNOT widely
used to say the least in PC's and many have given up
programmingthe Z80, even if it does have fancy bank switching
for a big address space.In my opinion it is STILL the right
choice for that box, especially given thenumber of man years
that went before it on the TNC's and the PK-232.  SteveStuart is
simply the best I have ever seen at writing that stuff and
AEAhas chosen to make the most of that asset.  On the other end
of the systemhowever, there is no comprimise with you the
adventurer.  You will be givena complete access to the DSP
processor.  You will be told all that you needto know, and given
examples of how to do it, and a technical manual tohelp hold
your hand, and it is my hope AEA will make the schematics
available.The access is already built into the existing system
and will only get better.On the host side for those of you who
still remember how to program a Z80,and who want to learn the
weird and wonderful ways of handling the segmentedaddress space
and write your own applications, we are putting together
adebugger for your pleasure (I really am a sadist at heart
;-).This weird relationship has cost AEA something as well.
They geared upthe advertisements before it was ready and many
pressures stopped mefrom finishing.  It is now finished and the
testing, perfecting, and bugremoval will continue.  Because of
the strange nature of doing this kindof stuff in the amateur
radio market, where the real costs associated withdoing
something like this are never seen or passed on to the customer
(sincethey are not charged, this applies both to Brooks and
partially to AEA in thiscase), you the purchaser will find stuff
you don't like because there is noway you could pay for the box
if it went through the million dollar testingprogram to find out
the stuff you complain about.  The bond of trust youget when you
buy from LL Grace or AEA in this kind of strange market (I
knowno other like it), is that they make upgrades to you for
`free.'  That is,the costs of doing the upgrade to you are what
you pay and not for the timespent on doing the fixes.  In the
normal commercial world, the testingcosts as much or more than
the bloody development.  I apologize to AEA publiclyfor the six
month delay in which they sold without benefit of the real
modemsdesigned for the box as it was being shipped (new analog
front end, no dualports, etc.).  That is done with and behind
us.As to the gentleman's statement that Brooks and I are hated
enemies, thatis hogwash.  Brooks and I have had legitimate
differences.  We designedthe DSP2232 together with KA2MOV.
Before it was close to market, he wenton his own and did the
DSP-12.  They have both arrived at market at aboutthe same time.
 Both serve different clients and the overlap in their marketsis
actually quite small.  AEA will service primarily the HF market,
and willserve all the gee whiz folks who want the FAX's, etc.
Brooks will servethe experimenter who wants to get at all pieces
of the box easily and isonly comfortable dealing with PC like
stuff.  Both serve the satellite marketsamply well, Brooks and I
both `grew up' there in ham radio.  Because Brooksdid the DSP-12
while I was still humping on a product we did together withAEA,
I was extremely angry.  It eroded the trust between AEA and me.
Nowwith hindsight being 20/20, on the part of Brooks, myself,
and AEA, findingout we have different goals, mostly different
markets, that is all behind usand we are marching to a positive
tune rather than stabbing each other in theback.  At the time,
because I was so heavily weighted down during the latepart of
the year 1990 and the first few months of 1991 and then the
lastfew months of 1991 with what I like to call world events, I
felt extremelyguily that he had beat AEA to market.  They were
angry and in turn, I wasangry beyond repair.  I believe
legitimately so, you may not.  I want thatto be behind me now,
and I am looking only toward the future.That is the end of my
free flowing diatribe.  The bottom line is that Ihave misled
people concerning this box by saying that getting less thanN
dollars per box is no incentive to go faster (when N is actually
anegative number, having cost me money), because I did not want
to hearpeople telling me what a fool I was but I am tired of the
damn holier thanthoughs and I will tolerate it no longer.  I
strongly believe the DSP2232is the best existing DSP system.
Time and you will tell.  I will continueto brag freely here and
elsewhere so that you know what is in it and canshare my
excitement in these achievements which I sincerely hope you
enjoyusing.Have fun with the DSP2232 or the DSP12.  Decide which
is right for youand go get it.  DSP is the only affordable way
for amateurs to do themyriad of specialty modes we have
available to us.  The price tag seemshigh.  I want you to think
about what it is you are getting for that.You are getting a box
that does as much as boxes and modems totallingtens of thousands
of dollars, AND, if a new one comes along, we changea ROM and
you've got it as well.  A new satellite modem? (such as RSM on
AO-21)no problem, here is a new file, upload it to your box and
go on.  Yes, I am asexcited now as I was when we started all
this mess with W3IWI.  It can onlyget
better.Bob------------------------------Date: 29 Apr 92 15:38:54
GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!tulane!rex!agwbbs!Angelo_Glorioso_Ii
[e-mail]: G8BPQ & W0RLI & NOSTo:
[e-mail] is my second post for help.. I am
running G8BPQ  4.5 and W0RLI 13.9..I would also like to get a
very of NOS to run with the system.. What I need to a copy of
someones Startup.net file and or a copy ofbpqcfg file to get
them running together..Please Help..-- Via DLG Pro
v0.991Internet:[e-mail]
Usenet:rex!agwbbs!angelo_glorioso_III  Packet:N5UXT @
N5UXT.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA  Tcp/ip:N5UXT.AMPT.ORG
[44.108.2.13]------------------------------Date: 29 Apr 92
19:03:54 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cis.ksu.edu!mac
@network.UCSD.EDUSubject: Interfacing EPSON EG-7004S-AR flat
panel LCD???To: [e-mail].G. Micro (Dallas;
214-271-5546) is currently offering EPSON EG-7004S-ARflat panel
LCD graphic displays for $19.95.  I bought two.  They
lookPERFECT for making a portable packet terminal (640 x 200
dot-matrix inabout a 11" x 6" size, total current draw about 20
milliamperes).They came with a 27-page "manual" which is full of
timing and electricalspecifications, but it would sure save me a
bunch of work if someone whohas already interfaced one of these
could give me a few suggestions!Will anyone admit to having done
such an interface?--Myron.-- # We preserve our freedoms using
four boxes:  soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge.# Myron A.
Calhoun, PhD EE; Associate Professor  [phone] home#
INTERNET:  [e-mail] (129.130.10.5)      532-6350 work,
532-7353 fax#      UUCP:  ...rutgers!depot!mac
W0PBV @ K0VAY.KS.USA.NA------------------------------Date: 29
Apr 92 05:35:11 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!stjhmc![e-mail]:
Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo: [e-mail] <Tue, Apr
28 05:37>, UUCP ([e-mail] Date: 28 Apr 92 05:37:28
GMT) wrote: >   I am trying to compile a list of all Internet <>
Packet Gateways.>   If you have any info the would help me could
you please>   sent it to me. >...and will you post your
responses to the net?Please see instructions on using my gateway
below, please DO NOT send test messages ... they will be
cancelled at the gateway.If anyone has any questions, drop me a
line.David-------                    How to Use the
wb7tpy.ampr.org               Internet <-> Amateur Packet Radio
Gateway------------------------------Date: 30 Apr 1992 06:07:21
GMTFrom: ucsd.edu![e-mail]: K9NG data
recovery modTo: [e-mail]6HHV and I have come up
with a mod for the K9NG 9600 bps modem (basedon some work by
KD6HCN) that seems to improve the operation of the statemachine
used to recover clock and do carrier detect.The difficulty is
that the K9NG uses a data slicer to directly feed thestate
machine latch, so there is no assurance that the data
transitionswill satisfy the setup and hold times of the latch
input.  This can leadto some metastability problems with the
state machine, resulting injittering of the clock, which can
cause the descrambler to lose sync,and also can cause chatter of
the DCD output even on a good signal.Since nearly all modern
TNCs provide 16x clock, the flip-flop (U9b)that was provided to
divide the 32x clock from the old TNC-1 isavailable for re-use.
It is already clocked from the 16x clock; wejust cut and jump to
insert it between the output of the data slicerand the following
circuitry.1) cut the trace from U9 pin 9 to U9 pin 12, or bend
U9p12 out of thesocket.2) cut the trace from U9p2 to U7p13.  Do
that near R11 or where thetrace passes under R24.  (R24 isn't
needed and may be omitted in mostinstallations.)3) add a wire
from U2p2 to U9p9.4) add a wire from U9p13 (or the 32x hole of
JP3) to U7p13.Seems to help - I think I'm seeing fewer retries.
No parts needed!By the way, the State 2.0 ROM used for the new
TAPR-9600 modem will workin the K9NG, except that DCD will false
quite a bit.  It's supposed toimprove clock recovery, so you
might also give that a try.  I found theamount of DCD falsing to
be unacceptable, so I'm not using it.    -
Brian------------------------------Date: 29 Apr 92 14:24:48
GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!cs.tamu.edu![e-mail]
ject: KA9Q for the Hp 48sx??To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Jason A Kronz) writes:|> Yesterday
another HAM told me that there was a HP 48sx version of KA9Q
packet|> program. Now, THAT's perverted!!!!! B-}There's one for
the HP pocket DOStoy, the 95LX, but I doubt if the processor in
the 48 is compatible...-- Kurt Freiberger, wb5bbw
[e-mail]   409/847-8607  fax:[phone]Dept. of
Computer Science, Texas A&M University      DoD #264: BMW R80/7
pilot"We preserve our freedom using three boxes: ballot, jury,
and cartridge."      *** Not an official document of Texas A&M
University ***------------------------------Date: 29 Apr 1992
15:10:40 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!bcm!lib!oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu![e-mail]
ubject: KA9Q for the Hp 48sx??To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kurt
Freiberger) writes:>There's one for the HP pocket DOStoy, the
95LX, but I doubt if the processor >in the 48 is compatible...Oy
vey, is it not compatible.All you anti-Intel bigots who moan
about the architecture should take a lookat the architecture of
the HP48SX's CPU, called the Saturn. After that, the80x86 looks
positively regular.-- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never
ascribe to malice that which [e-mail]
 | adequately be explained by a .sig virus.      "You're the
only extremist I've ever known who has a sense of
humor." -- Richard Nixon, to Pat
Buchanan------------------------------Date: 30 Apr 92 01:42:05
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usene
t.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast![e-mail]: KA9Q for
the Hp 48sx??To: [e-mail] quoted from
<[e-mail]> by [e-mail] (Kurt
Freiberger):+---------------| In article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Jason A Kronz) writes:| |> Yesterday
another HAM told me that there was a HP 48sx version of KA9Q
packet| |> program. | | Now, THAT's perverted!!!!! B-}| |
There's one for the HP pocket DOStoy, the 95LX, but I doubt if
the processor | in the 48 is compatible...+---------------Not
only is it not compatible, but I doubt it'd keep up with even
1200 baudIP, much less 9600 or 56k.++Brandon, who *owns* an
HP48SX and finds the idea of HP48 NOS perverted :-)-- Brandon S.
Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]        [e-mail]
Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself
that...)------------------------------Date: 30 Apr 1992 01:16:24
-0700From: [e-mail]: NET/Mac Console
Cmd for PK-232To: [e-mail] Hello Dick,You should be
able to change the settings of the PK-232 by using thecommands:
param <interface> vhf off     and:  param <interface> hbaud
300Did you try this? Doesn't that work?73 de Adam
PA2AGA.------------------------------Date: 29 Apr 1992 11:45:24
-0700From: [e-mail]: Police MDTsTo:
[e-mail] a poster requested data on MDTs.
What exactly is a mDT
?+---------------------------------------------------------------
------+   FROM:   David Sweigert  c/o
[e-mail]   Boeing Aerospace Operations
   -or-                          M/S  FA-71
   [e-mail]   Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899
        FAX  [phone]
   VOICE
867-4848+--------------------------------------------------------
-------------+------------------------------Date: 29 Apr 92
23:55:48 GMTFrom:
rudy.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net![e-mail]: Police
MDTsTo: [e-mail] = Mobile Data Terminal.  It's
used for getting calls, looking uplicense numbers (the Fairfax
police here just idley enter licenseplates while waiting at
lights to see if they get lucky).  They alsocan be used to order
tow trucks (this is neat).  They also have acar to car chat mode
so the cops (as in LA) can discuss how manyminorities they've
beat up that day (it was totally beyond theircomprehension that
all these communicaitons were being
logged.-ROn------------------------------Date: 29 Apr 1992
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Digest V92 #114To: [e-mail]-Radio Digest
   Wed, 29 Apr 92       Volume 92 : Issue 114Today's Topics:
            Best of both worlds? (PBBS & TCP/IP)
Internet <> Packet Gateways (2 msgs)                        KA9Q
for the Hp 48sx??                                MDT's
         NET/Mac Console Cmd for PK-232Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 29 Apr 92 06:32:47 GMTFrom:
claris!apple![e-mail]: Best of both worlds?
(PBBS & TCP/IP)To: [e-mail]'ve been waiting for
all the real experts to get home from Daytonand answer this
question, but since there's still no sign of them... :-)If all
you need to do is read bulletins from someone else's PBBS,NOS is
just fine; just use its AX.25 capabilities. But it soundslike
you want to be able to collect messages on your own node; inthat
case, I'll let someone else answer the question of whether
there'sany version of NOS that can do that.Patty--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::     ::   Patty Winter
N6BIS    Internet: [e-mail]          ::     ::   Sunnyvale,
California    AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44                ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
------------------------------Date: 28 Apr 92 05:37:28 GMTFrom:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!slic![e-mail]:
Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo:
[e-mail]@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Daniel
Godden) writes:>   I am trying to compile a list of all Internet
<> Packet Gateways.>   If you have any info the would help me
could you please>   sent it to me....and will you post your
responses to the net?--Mike Shirley, WB6WUI          INET:
[e-mail] Box 460  (San Diego)       UUCP:
{hplabs!hp-sdd nosc}!crash!slic!mikeyLakeside, CA 92040-0460
  GEnie: SLIC------------------------------Date: Wed, 29 Apr
1992 01:36:52 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!metro!extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU![e-mail]
ject: Internet <> Packet GatewaysTo:
[e-mail]@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Daniel
Godden) writes:>   I am trying to compile a list of all Internet
<> Packet Gateways.>   If you have any info the would help me
could you please>   sent it to me.I tried to email you, but the
addresss above appears not to be a validaddress ... a question
that I would ask, why do you want to know ?Terry--Terry Dawson,
[e-mail], [e-mail]+61 2
925 1556 (voice), [phone] (fax).   __\*/__  0^Ooooo
_____------------------------------Date: 27 Apr 92 21:14:38
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!
hpcc05!hpdmd48 ![e-mail]: KA9Q for the Hp
48sx??To: [e-mail] am only familiar with a version
for the 95LX ---John------------------------------Date: 28 Apr
92 13:43:52 GMTFrom: ub.d.umn.edu![e-mail]:
MDT'sTo: [e-mail] police here have changed over
to MDT's.  Being a very seriousscanner listener, I would like to
monitor these signals.  The reason Ipost here is because they
are using a digital form of communication andwhat better place
to ask about DIGITAL than fellow digitizers.Anyone else out
there trying to do what I am?  Is it possible to breaktheir
codification?  Anyone having
success?Gary------------------------------Date: 28 Apr 92
21:32:45 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!shrike!kriss@n
etwork.UCSD.ED USubject: NET/Mac Console Cmd for PK-232To:
[e-mail] is a Macintosh, PK-232 and NET/Mac
tcpip posting.I need help with a Console command. What command
can you  issue from theConsole (or autoexec.net file) to change
the PK-232 for HF operation? The twocommands I would like to
issue are:    VHF        OFF    HBAUD   300The 'only' way I have been
able to change from VHF to HF is to manually makethe changes in
normal ax25 mode, quite the non-ip program and then loadNET/Mac.
This is a pain! Hopefully, someone has figured out how to
command thePK-232 from NET/Mac's Console window.Please reply via
E-Mail or PacketDick Kriss, [e-mail]5VU
@ N5LJF.#AUS.TX.USA.NAOn: 4/28/92 4:38:25 PM
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#77To:           Marty Baxter <[e-mail]>Packet-Radio
Digest         Mon, 23 Mar 92       Volume 92 : Issue  77Today's
Topics:                 9600 baud for GE Master II (2 msgs)
                FM radios for 9600 packet
Internet->NTS gateway & how?            Packet radio and RFI
from my computer.  Help!Send Replies or notes for publication
to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1992 12:33:06 GMTFrom:
news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu![e-mail]: 9600
baud for GE Master IITo: [e-mail] for advice
on interfacing 9600 baud (K9NG/G3RUH) modems to a VHFGE Master
II running as a full-duplex repeater.  The manual implies that
theexciter actually uses phase modulation instead of frequency
modulation.  WillI have to make a varactor modulator and attach
it in parallel with thecrystal in the oscillator module?  Does
anyone have a working circuit that Icould copy?  Are the
receiver/transmitter bandwidths wide enough to handle9600
BAUD?And finally a more generic question:  can anybody suggest
sources for 2-meterduplexers at a reasonable price?  There is a
possibility the duplexors may beexposed to a relatively
high-humidity environment.--Antonio
[e-mail] / [e-mail] /
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 22 Mar
92 16:25:01 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!usc!wupost!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.U
CSD.EDUSubject: 9600 baud for GE Master IITo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Antonio Querubin) writes:>Looking for
advice on interfacing 9600 baud (K9NG/G3RUH) modems to a VHF>GE
Master II running as a full-duplex repeater.  The manual implies
that the>exciter actually uses phase modulation instead of
frequency modulation.  Will>I have to make a varactor modulator
and attach it in parallel with the>crystal in the oscillator
module?  Does anyone have a working circuit that I>could copy?
Are the receiver/transmitter bandwidths wide enough to
handle>9600 BAUD?Just use the Channel Guard input for your
modulation. Works great, costslittle. The receiver passband is a
little on the tight side, but it'llwork.>And finally a more
generic question:  can anybody suggest sources for
2-meter>duplexers at a reasonable price?  There is a possibility
the duplexors may be>exposed to a relatively high-humidity
environment.Join your repeater coordination group. If they
publish a newsletter ormagazine like SERA does, there will be a
source for contacts who haveduplexers for sale, or know where to
find them.Gary KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 21 Mar
92 15:37:40 GMTFrom:
usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!spacm1.spac.spc.com!xenon!bongo!julian@net
work.UCSD.EDUSubject: FM radios for 9600 packetTo:
[e-mail]    I have been quietly searching for a good
affordable radio for9600 baud packet. There is currently the Tek
radio. It costs about $150and leaves much to be desired.
Kantronics has a radio, that does OK butthe RX performs poorly
in the madding RF environment of GreaterDisneyland.    The
Riverside Fire dept runs 9600 baud packet. They alsofinance some
amateur nodes under the bogus "public service" banner -Your tax
dollars at work.    So I ended up talking to Mike Burton, N6KZB of
Riverside FireBrigade about what radios to use. He said he had
been using someKenwood models - the TK-710 and TK-810. But of
course, these havesince been discontinued and replaced with
"improved" models withscanning and more LEDs. Yes, of course the
price has gone up.    He said his radio of choice is now the Yeasu
Vertex line. Theyhave models with 4 channels and 24 channels.
These radios are true FM,40 Watts and are available for low band
and high band VHF as wellas UHF (6M, 2M, & 450 in hamspeak).    So
I called his supplier who told me the following: He wouldsell me
the radios for $449 for the 4 channel model and $509 for the
24channel model. He would supply the radio programmed to my
choice offreqs. Well silly me, I asked if I could reprogram
them, was it justa PROM change etc. He then claimed that the
programming info was Yaesuprorietary and he couldn't give it to
me, but would be happy to doit for it for $50.    This is crap.
This is like a car dealer saying they won'tlet me have service
info, that only the dealership can change the sparkplugs.    So,
does anyone have the programming info?    Does anyone have or know
where I can get service docs?    Anyone know anywhere else I can
buy these radios?--Julian Macassey, [e-mail]
N6ARE@K6VE.#SOCAL.CA.USA.NA742 1/2 North Hayworth Avenue
Hollywood CA 90046-7142 voice (213)
653-4495------------------------------Date: 22 Mar 92 16:59:30
EDTFrom:
pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!psuecl![e-mail].
EDUSubject: Internet->NTS gateway & how?To:
[e-mail]'d like to send a mail message from an
internet node to apacket radio user at NTS node K1MEA-8, located
in western Mass.Which gateways have been established for this
type of messaging,and how do I include them on the mail address
line?(Note:  I'm not very familiar with NTS)Thanks,Tom
GionfriddoPenn State Univ------------------------------Date: 22
Mar 92 15:12:34 GMTFrom: hayes![e-mail]:
Packet radio and RFI from my computer.  Help!To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:>> In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:>>I'm a brand new ham (callsign
pending) and want to join the packet fun.>>I have a Mac and a
Kenwood HT (TH25-AT) and am looking at TNCs.  I have>>a question
about RFI from my computer equipment (could be the
external>>hard drive).  Anyway, whenever I even get near my Mac
it opens the squelch>>on my Kenwood.>> This is an old story
Cheryl. There are ways to suppress computer RFI,> but the first
thing you should try is to use a remote antenna on the> HT. If
you can get the antenna 20 to 50 feet from the computer, the>
problem may go away. If this doesn't work, move the HT to the
remote> location and run shielded audio wires from the HT to the
TNC. This> almost always works.All good advice.> Finally, you
can invest in some conductive> sprays for the inside of the Mac
case, complete disassembly required.Don't bother. All Macs
already have such coatings on the inside of theircases. You
might consider looking at that Hard disk drive. The radiationis
not likely to come from the Mac, but from an external device,
such asthe disk drive mentioned. Try switching off suspect
devices to narrow theproblem down.> And you can put ferrite
chokes on all the external cabling which> should be of the
shielded type. Wrap the SCSI cable in copper foil> and ground it
at both ends.I have yet to see an unshielded SCSI cable for the
Mac. If you are usingone, toss it an get a good quality
cable.--Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327
AppleLink: D1958Principal Software Engineer        ! Packet
Radio: AA4LR @ W4QOHayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. ! UUCP:
uunet!hayes!bcolemanPOB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   !
Internet: [e-mail]: "My employer
doesn't pay me to have opinions."Quote: "The same light shines
on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve
Hackett.------------------------------Date: 22 Mar 92 21:04:11
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.
ohio-state.edu
!linac!att!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <m21198.701012681@mwunix>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>ps.ohioSubject : Re: Packet radio and RFI from
my computer. Help!In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jay Maynard) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pontus Hedman
(VE3RPH)) writes:>>[e-mail] (John McHarry)
writes:>>>I have the inverse problem.  On HF (mostly Amtor) the
rf from the rig trashes>>>the keyboard.>>I had the same problem
with Digital VT220 terminal.>>Ack. The console on my home Unix
box is a VT220 I picked up at a hamfest...up>until your
comments, I thought $40 for a running terminal was a pretty
good>deal.I've been using a VT220 on VHF packet without
problems.  Not much RFI.  Butmy radio's antenna is on the roof
about 20 feet overhead.  Also use thisterminal to read NetNews
at home (using it as I type
this).------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92
#77******************************------------------------------Da
te: 29 Apr 1992 11:36:03 -0700From:
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     Packet Radio <[e-mail]>From:
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<[e-mail]>Subject:      Packet-Radio Digest V92
#78To:           Marty Baxter <[e-mail]>Packet-Radio
Digest         Tue, 24 Mar 92       Volume 92 : Issue  78Today's
Topics:               BBS name standards / Packet-BBS gateways
                      Internet=>NTS packet
    Packet on a NeXT                Packet Radio Research at
Georgia Tech.                       PI card software update
                Please help me find WNOS.             Setting up
'conventional' TCP/IP for packet                    Sources for
APlink executablesSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 23 Mar 92 22:38:58 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!orstnews!ECE.ORST.EDU!johan@netwo
rk.UCSD.EDUSubject: BBS name standards / Packet-BBS gatewaysTo:
[e-mail]'d implement it in my version of NOS, if
we agree on somethingHow about 'X-BID:
'73Johan,wg7j------------------------------Date: 23 Mar 1992
08:11:23 -0800From: [e-mail]:
Internet=>NTS packetTo: [e-mail], I am not sure
whether or not the existing Internet<>Packet gateways
arecurrently configured to handle NTS Traffic (Maybe Jim/W2XO
can enlighten us).In any event to send a piece of NTS traffic
via packet, you need to locatea consenting amateur (like myself)
who will take your message, put it into NTSformat, and place in
on a full-service AX.25 BBS for forwarding. If you wouldlike me
to send a piece of traffic to your friend, please send me
thefollowing information:1. Your friend's name and call (I
assume his HomeBBS is K1MEA.MA.USA.NOAM).2. His address,
including his zip code, as the packet network uses
postal'zipcodes for forwarding.3. A local phone number4. A
message of about 25 words (no more than 30). Be sure to end
sentences with"X" (X-ray) instead of a period. Each "X" counts
as a word.Depending on whether or not your friend operates
packet you may be able tosend a direct message to him through
one of the gateways. One of the fineand generous people who
operate the Internet<>Packet's gateways shouldbe able to provide
you with the necessary information to do that. Otherwise,I would
be more than happy to handle a piece of NTS traffic to your
friend.73 de Will/KB4LFDInternet:
[e-mail]  :
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 23 Mar
92 13:47:46 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!psuvax1!hsdndev!ncar!noao!amethyst![e-mail]
USubject: Packet on a NeXTTo: [e-mail]
written a packet driver for a NeXT box?  If not I'm going to,and
could use a little direction.  Since I want to use an RS232
portfor the physical connection to the modem, should I modify a
SLIPintermface (to work with AX.25)?Just passed the exams, and
am making plans (budget).  Ideally, I wouldlike to NOT have to
explicitly indicate a radio device.  Rather, I'dlike to run
commands normally, and use a radio domain name like:ftp
machine1.amrd.orgBTW I like what  read earlier about an ametuer
radio domain name;that'sa CLEAN way to keep everyone
[e-mail] location:
Bozeman MT------------------------------Date: 23 Mar 92 23:07:25
GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!cc.gatech.edu![e-mail]:
Packet Radio Research at Georgia Tech.To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:>The tar'ed compress'ed set of postscript files that make
up his thesis>can be anonomously ftp'ed from ftp.cc.gatech.edu
in the directory>pub/other.  The name of the file is
TDMA.packet.thesis.ps.tar.ZThis file is short some pages.  I
will repost as soon as I get it fixed.Sorry.    haroldFORBES,
HAROLD C.   N5JCMGeorgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta
Georgia, 30332uucp:
...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!cc!haroldARPA:
[e-mail]               PACKET: N5JCM @ W4QOFORBES,
HAROLD C.   N5JCMGeorgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta
Georgia, 30332uucp:
...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!cc!haroldARPA:
[e-mail]               PACKET: N5JCM @
W4QO------------------------------Date: 23 Mar 92 19:47:05
GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!cunews!revcan!software.mitel.com!perr
[e-mail] D.EDUSubject: PI card software updateTo:
[e-mail] am releasing an update for the PI card
software, for both the compiled-inand packet driver versions.
There was a bug in the DMA driver code which wouldcause received
packets to be lost under some situations. The performancewith
sliding window protocols is greatly improved, and you may find
thatyou no longer have to run in "stop and wait" mode (ie, with
tcp window = mss).The replacement files for the compiled-in
version are in PI920323.ZIP,and the packet driver version is in
PI_DVR3.ZIP.  These may be foundon hydra.carleton.ca in
pub/packetstuff.  I have also put them on UCSD.EDUin
hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.Dave--Dave
Perryve3ifb@ve3jf.#[e-mail]-------
-----------------------Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1992 04:43:22 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!mips!boy![e-mail].E
DUSubject: Please help me find WNOS.To: [e-mail]
am looking for a copy of WNOS, a TCP-IP ham radio program for
windows.If anyone can send me the program or assist me in
getting it I wouldbe greatly appreciated.Thank YouAaron D.
McClureWD0FAA@N6QM.#[e-mail]---------------------
---------Date: 23 Mar 92 18:29:14 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!taco!garfield.catt.ncsu.edu![e-mail].
EDUSubject: Setting up 'conventional' TCP/IP for packetTo:
[e-mail] am interested in using TCP/IP for working
packet radio instead of thedefault AX.25 that my TNC can talk by
itself.  My TNC does have a KISS mode,so I should be able to do
it.  I am currently running TCP/IP over an ethernetconnection on
the Internet.  Since I already have TCP/IP software working,
Iwould like to be able to use my SLIP server to talk to my TNC.
I know aboutthe ka9q/NOS package, and I know that it can handle
the ethernet connection,but since I am running OS/2 instead of
D(umb)OS, I would prefer to stick withthe OS/2 TCP/IP
package.With that said, my question is:  How would I go about
setting-up this (or anyother 'standard') TCP/IP package to
properly transmit my callsign, etc forpacket radio
communication?Another question would be:  Does anyone know of an
OS/2 version of ka9q/NOS?Thanks in
advance!John-----------------------------------------------------
-----------------------|  John W. Linville
Amateur radio:  KD4KHC                  ||  #include
"std_disclaimer.h"     E-mail:  [e-mail]
|----------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------Date: 23 Mar 92
20:20:45 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!think.com!linus!linus![e-mail]:
Sources for APlink executablesTo: [e-mail] the
request of Ole, SV1BDS, I have uploaded a self extracting
archive ofAPlink 6.02 to ucsd.edu.  It is in
hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.  This isnot quite current.
Current is 6.03, but I don't yet have it.Sources for the current
version:Quik BBS in San Antonio 512-690-5312 (8n1).Compuserve's
Hamnet forum.On disk from TAPR $2 for 5 1/4, $3 for 3 1/2...
plus postage outside .NA.     TAPR, PO Box 12925, Tucson, AZ
85732  (I have no connection with TAPR,     and I doubt they are
making anything off this at that price.)John WA9FCH
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<[e-mail]>Subject:      Packet-Radio Digest V92
#79To:           Marty Baxter <[e-mail]>Packet-Radio
Digest         Wed, 25 Mar 92       Volume 92 : Issue  79Today's
Topics:          BBS name standards / Packet-BBS gateways (2
msgs)                     Clover information wanted...
          Icom W2A <-> TNC Connections                     NOS
for Microsoft Windows??Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 24 Mar 92 16:53:43 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!orstnews!ECE.ORST.EDU!johan@netwo
rk.UCSD.EDUSubject: BBS name standards / Packet-BBS gatewaysTo:
[e-mail] previous message to cut off for some
reason, so here it is again :-(I have read the discussion on
this topic with interest.Now that it seems to have died down a
bit, i am wondering ifthere was a concensus on anything ?I for
one would like to agree on some X- header to indicate BID,so
that we could forward some bulletins over Internet to
gateway-systemsthat can handle those headers appropriately, and
pump them into the networklocally with proper bid. This would
relieve the HF network and speedup delivery(stuff like amsat
buls with shuttle parameters comes to mind :-)I'd implement it
in my version of NOS, if we agree on somethingHow about 'X-BID:
'73Johan,wg7j------------------------------Date: 24 Mar 92
16:56:11 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!orstnews!ECE.ORST.EDU!johan@netwo
rk.UCSD.EDUSubject: BBS name standards / Packet-BBS gatewaysTo:
[e-mail] previous message got cut off for some
reason, so here it is again :-(I have read the discussion on
this topic with interest.Now that it seems to have died down a
bit, i am wondering ifthere was a concensus on anything ?I for
one would like to agree on some X- header to indicate BID,so
that we could forward some bulletins over Internet to
gateway-systemsthat can handle those headers appropriately, and
pump them into the networklocally with proper bid. This would
relieve the HF network and speedup delivery(stuff like amsat
buls with shuttle parameters comes to mind :-)I'd implement it
in my version of NOS, if we agree on somethingHow about 'X-BID:
'73Johan,wg7j------------------------------Date: Tue, 24 Mar
1992 17:27:15 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.b
yu.edu!shamu.c aedm.byu.edu![e-mail]: Clover
information wanted...To: [e-mail] time ago I
asked for information about HF packet radio and what speedswere
attainable.  I am still working on that paper.  It is coming
along, butI have heard about a new method, Clover.  Could anyone
tell me a little aboutit?  I have only heard about it, never
seen anything written about it.  Is itpromising?--Sean
Eckton-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Internet:  [e-mail]      Brigham
Young University, Provo, UT.Packet Radio:  kd6bik @
wb7esh.#orem.ut.usa.na-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-------------------------------D
ate: Wed, 25 Mar 1992 00:07:23 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!uniwa!antlia![e-mail]: Icom
W2A <-> TNC ConnectionsTo: [e-mail] anyone know
how to connect an Icom W2A to a packet TNC?? Where doesthe PTT,
audio in, audio out and earth lines attach to the
plug?Thanks!Gary-------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------Gary Carroll: Consulting and
Programming Services    Phone: [phone]
Winthrop Technology                    Fax  : [phone]
        University of Western Australia
[e-mail]              Nedlands 6009 AUSTRALIA
         Packet Radio:
VK6XQ@VK6KS------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------Date: 25
Mar 92 04:54:33 GMTFrom:
swrinde!mips!mips!boy![e-mail]: NOS for
Microsoft Windows??To: [e-mail] I want to
thank everyone who replied to my quest to findWNOS.  As I
quickly found out WNOS is not a Microsoft Windowsprogram.  What
I would like to know is weather a Microsoft WindowsNOS program
exists.  I think one may since QST mentioned thaton page 92 of
the March 1992 issue that a NOS for MicrosoftWindows has
recently arrived.  If such a program exists I wouldbe very
intrested and would like to aquire a copy.I would appreciate any
information on this subject.Thank you.Aaron D.
McClureWD0FAA@N6QMY.#[e-mail]--------------------
----------Date: 23 Mar 92 14:38:22 GMTFrom:
mcsun!uknet!acorn![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>