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Today's Topics:
              Gateway 25-Aug-89
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Date: 1 Sep 89 16:17:59 GMT
From: n8emr![e-mail]  (Gary Sanders)
Subject: Gateway 25-Aug-89

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Gateway: The ARRL Packet Radio Newsletter - Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, Editor

        Volume 5, Number 24 - August 25, 1989 - Part 1 of 3

RUDAK-2 TO FLY NEXT YEAR

During a meeting between AMSAT-DL officials and a representative of ORBITA,
the Soviet Amateur Radio Satellite Organization, at the RSGB/AMSAT-UK
DATASPACE '89 (the combined space and digital communications symposium held
July 27-31 at the University of Surrey), a tentative agreement was reached
to fly a RUDAK transponder aboard RS-14. RUDAK is a German acronym that
stands for Regenerating Transponder for Digital Amateur Communications.
Many will remember that the RUDAK experiment, which flew on AO-13, failed
to realize its full potential because a temperature-sensitive PROM would
not allow the RUDAK computer to "boot-up" properly.  Despite many intensive
efforts to work around this problem, it was not possible to solve it.  But
characteristic of the indomitable spirit of the RUDAK group within the
AMSAT-DL organization, there will soon be a new and improved version of
this digital experiment to be known as RUDAK-2, which will be part of the
RS-14, a new Mode B satellite.  RS-14 will be flying aboard the Soviet's
geological survey satellite known as GEOS, (not to be confused with the
United States weather satellites known as GOES) in the now-familiar
"piggyback" configuration first seen with RS- 10/11.

There are several important differences between RUDAK-2 and its predecessor
on AO-13.  The biggest difference is that the AX.25 amateur packet-radio
protocol will be incorporated into the software, which means that
digipeating will be possible.  Also, a limited mailbox capability will be
prese.  Using the Manchester encoding technique and binary PSK
modulation, the RUDAK-2 transponder mode will operate in Mode B.  It will
have two separate receive channels for different signaling rates: Channel
#1 for 1200 baud at 435.100 MHz and Channel #2 for 4800 bauds at 435.150
MHz.  The downlink frequency on 2 meters will be 145.990 MHz.  The nominal
RF output of the 2-meter downlink transmitter will be 2 watts, however, it
can be commanded by a ground station to a higher RF output of 12 watts.

The delivery of the RUDAK-2 transponder is scheduled to occur on December
15, so it can be integrated into RS-14 for a mid-1990 launch.

from AMSAT News Service

            HF PACKET-RADIO INITIATIVE

"The Great 1989 HF Packet Design Quest" article in May QST announced a new
initiative to stimulate amateur development of more effective HF
packet-radio transmission systems.  (If you are interested and haven't seen
the article, get hold of May QST.)

ARRL headquarters has completed several bibliographies of works on channel
characteristics, modems, protocols and digital signal-processing.
Bibliographies have been mailed to people who have expressed an interest
and will be asking prospective participants for resumes and some
information on what they would like to contribute to the project.

There will be an opportunity for reimbursement for certain out-of-pocket
expenses for participants ultimately chosen by the ARRL Digital Committee.

If you would like to be added to the mailing list, write or call Lori
Weinberg at ARRL HQ.

          NOVICE NOTCH - OPINION: A PACKET-RADIO DISGRACE

In many areas, Novice packet-radio growth has been slow to nonexistent.
The reason is the lack of support from some of the packet-radio community.
VHF packet radio is very limited for Novices, especially when local
packeteers decide to operate outside the Novice subbands on 220 MHz.  We
should be encouraging new hams in this mode, not excluding them.  Many
Novices buy TNCs only to find the action is just beyond their reach.  Lets
get together to welcome these newcomers to our mode and make packet radio
easily accessible for them.  If you operate outside the Novice frequencies
on 220 MHz, consider this: The more people that actively use the band, the
harder it will be to take the rest of it away.

from Lou Scalpati, N2JLS

      APLINK USED FOR ARMENIAN EARTHQUAKE HEALTH AND WELFARE

The cover story of the August 6 Cleveland Plain Dealer Sunday magazine
section described the efforts of Ohio amateurs to get health and welfee
traffic in and out of earthquake-striken Armenia in December 1988.  The
main thrust of the effort was to transfer lists of names from concerned
relatives in the United States to Armenia to learn of their welfare.  This
involved the use of packet radio and AMTOR between the US and Great
Britain, which was the relay point between the US and Armenia.  Traffic to
the relay station operated by G4SCA, was sent using packet radio and
traffic back to the States was sent using AMTOR.  To accomplish this
mixed-mode transfer, Vic Poor's, W5SMM, APLink software was used.

from David Speltz, KB1PJ

Gateway: The ARRL Packet Radio Newsletter - Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, Editor

        Volume 5, Number 24 - August 25, 1989 - Part 2 of 3

              NETWORKING CONFERENCE REMINDER

Those of you who are planning to attend the 8th ARRL Computer Networking
Conference in Colorado Springs, October 7-8, are reminded that the deadline
for registration is October 2.  For further information send SASE with your
name, call sign, address and telephone number to:

     Andy Freeborn, N0CCZ
     5222 Borrego Dr
     Colorado Springs, CO 80918
     Telephone [phone]

            ARES/DATA VERSION 1.0 NOW AVAILABLE

ARES/Data, the long-awaited enhanced version of ARES/Data, is now
available.  ARES/Data is a multiconnect, multiport generalized database
accessible via packet radio that also includes a full-featured conference
bridge.  The program is intended for use in a wide variety of emergency and
public service Amateur Radio situations.  (For a paper on Version 0.1 of
the software, see the Proceedings of the 7th ARRL Computer Networking
Conference.)

New features added to Version 1.0 (beyond 0.1) include:

o multiple ports (up to four with 8 to 32 simultaneous connects each),

o support for DRSI PC*PA packet-radio adapters,

o enhanced configuration file-processing with start-up files for each TNC,

o update of selected field in a record,

o import/export facility,

o list range instead of list all,

o beacon facility,

o download file facility from a public directory,

o labels command, including a label for the message field,

o separate paths for database, index files, public directory,

o many enhancements for the SYSOP screen, and

o improved error-handling of disk full and disk errors.

The key idea behind ARES/Data is that it allows you to track any type of
information as needed that can be organized as four 20-character fields
plus an 80-character message for each record.

Possible uses:

o track victims of a multiple casualty incident sent to hospitals,

o track ham manpower availability/assignments,

o record evacuees and shelter enrollment,

o track floats in a parade,

o short-message database:  Field1=To, Field2=From, Msg=80-character
  message,

o house-by-house damage assessment, and

o DX-spotting.

ARES/Data was written by Weo Moerner, WN6I, and Dave Palmer, N6KL, with
the ideas and support of a committee of hams from the Santa Clara County
Amateur Radio Emergency Service.  It is a copyrighted, public domain
program, available without charge to anyone interested.  The program was
written on the authors' own time and equipment and the authors have their
employers' permission to contribute the program to the public domain.

ARES/Data runs on an IBM PC of most any type (or equivalent) using DOS 3.2
or later with at least 400 kbytes of memory.  To use the program via packet
radio, the SYSOP needs at least a DRSI PC*PA packet-radio adapter or a
serial port and a TNC with the Ron Raikes, WA8DED, firmware installed, such
as a TNC 2, TNC 1, AEA PK-87 or AEA PK-88.  The user's TNCs may be of any
type.

ARES/Data may be downloaded from CompuServe's HamNet or you may obtain the
program by sending a blank disk (5-1/4-inch 360-kbyte or 3-1/2-inch
720-kbyte) to:

     Weo Moerner
     1003 Belder Dr
     San Jose, CA 95120

Please feel free to distribute the program by whatever means you like.  We
hope ARES/Data will prove useful to other Amateur Radio groups as they help
fulfill the emergency communications needs of their communities.  We invite
your comments and questions!

from Dave Palmer, N6KL @ KB6OWT and Weo Moerner, WN6I @ KB6OWT

        NEW W0RLI MAILBOX AND MSYS PBBS VERSIONS AVAILABLE

Version 10.12 of the W0RLI Mailbox software is now available as is Version
1.5 of the WA8BXN MSYS PBBS software.  To obtain a copy of MSYS, Canadians
may send one 5-1/4-inch, 360-kbyte disk and a self-addressed,
postage-paid, disk mailer to:

     J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR
     108 Montcalm St
     Goderich, ON N7A 1W1

The W0RLI and/or the MSYS software may also be downloaded from CompuServe's
HamNet and VE3GYQ's landline BBS at 519-660-1442 using 2400/1200/300 bauds
with 8 character bits, no parity and 1 stop bit.

from J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR

Gateway: The ARRL Packet Radio Newsletter - Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, Editor

        Volume 5, Number 24 - August 25, 1989 - Part 3 of 3

            NORTHEAST TCP/IP MEETING SCHEDULED

The second meeting of the northeast region amateur packet-radio TCP/IPers
is scheduled for Saturday, September 23 at ARRL Headquarters in Newington,
Connecticut.  All those interested in TCP/IP via amateur packet radio are
welcome to attend.

A proposed agenda follows.  Anyone with additions or changes, please send a
message to [e-mail] or to KE3Z @ W1AW.  If you will need any
audiovisual equipment, please let KE3Z know no later than September 18.

Tentative Agenda:

1. Opening remarks and Introductions by KE3Z.

2. Network status reports and current plans for Connecticut, Long Island,
   Massachusetts, Maine, Rhode Island and New York.

3. Network round table: how to improve the network throughput.

4. The New England TCPer newsletter status report by Rich Vitello, WA1EQU.

5. Open forum.

6. Summary and list of action items.

from Jon Bloom, KE3Z

              GATEWAY ACCESSIBLE VIA INTERNET

Internet may now be used to submit stories for publication in Gateway or to
send electronic mail to your Gateway editor.  The only limitations are that
the files must be in ASCII format and must not exceed 50,000 characters in
length.  The address for sending Internet electronic mail to Gateway is:

     [e-mail]

Internet access to Gateway is being accomplished via a gateway between
CompuServe and Internet.  Any CompuServe user is accessible via this
gateway.  To address electronic mail to a CompuServe user via Internet,
replace the comma (,) in the CompuServe user ID with a period (.) and
append @compuserve.com to the modified user ID.  (My CompuServe user ID of
70645,247 becomes [e-mail] after it is modified for
Internet.)

The Internet-CompuServe gateway also permits CompuServe users to send
electronic mail to Internet users via CompuServe's EasyPlex.  To address
electronic mail to an Internet user via CompuServe, you simply prefix the
user's Internet identification with >INTERNET: (for example, Internet
identification yaz@leftfield becomes >INTERNET:  yaz@leftfield after it is
modified for CompuServe's EasyPlex.) There is no extra fee charged by
CompuServe for use of this gateway.

Besides Internet, electronic submissions and mail for Gateway may be made
directly via CompuServe to user ID 70645,247 or via telephone (your editor
can be reached on evenings and weekends at 203-879-1348 and he can switch a
modem on line to receive text at 300, 1200 or 2400 bit/s).

Submissions via he US mail should be sent to 75 Kreger Dr, Wolcott, CT
06716-2702.  Also, personal messages may be sent to your Gateway editor via
packet radio to: WA1LOU @ W1AW.

Thanks to Bruce Hale, KB1MW and David Dodell, WB7TPY for some of this
information.

               AMSAT CALL FOR PAPERS

AMSAT NA is soliciting papers for presentation at and/or publication in the
proceedings of its 1989 Space Symposium.  Areas of interest include
research, development, engineering, funding, construction, management and
operatin of OSCAR (Orbiting Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio)
communications and scientific spacecraft and associated communications
networks.

Papers should be submitted for consideration by October 2.  Include
audiovisual support requirements (overhead, slides, video projection, etc)
and a biography to be used in the proceedings.

Papers must be submitted in camera-ready form (8-1/2 x 11 inches), via
MS-DOS compatible disk or via electronic mail formatted for printing.
Papers containing graphics or pictures must be submitted in camera- ready
form.  Authors will be responsible for duplication and distribution of
papers not submitted by October 2.

Submissions or questions should be submitted to:

     Ralph Wallio, W0RPK
     1250 Highway G24
     Indianola, IA 50125

Send an SASE to W0RPK for a registration information package.

from The ARRL Letter

--
Gary W. Sanders (gws@n8emr or ...!osu-cis!n8emr!gws), 72277,1325
N8EMR @ W8CQK (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]
HAM/SWL/SCANNER BBS (1200/2400/PEP) 614-457-4227

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PACKET-RADIO Digest         Sat,  2 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 194

Today's Topics:
                  DIGICOM>64
              Multi Mode TNC Controllers
         nos.exe file formats? nos erases domain.txt
          Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5 (3 msgs)
           Where can i find PE1CHL's version of NET
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Date: 30 Aug 89 09:08:27 PDT (Wednesday)
From: "Paul_Adler.NEROSM"@Xerox.COM
Subject: DIGICOM>64

Can you please share your experience with the DIGICOM>64 packet system.  I
would like to buy this unit and use it on the HF bands.
73  Paul  KW1L
203-325-6119 (work)

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 89 10:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Multi Mode TNC Controllers

Can Anyone Help:
I am new to digital communications ... and Packett radio. I would like to
buy a Multi Mode TNC that will do Packett, AMTOR, RTTY, CW, and WX Fax.
After looking around I can see that their are 3 Boxes that will fit my
bill. That is the AEA PK-232, the Klantronics KAM, and an offering by
MFJ. Can anyone comment on any of these TNC's. Which has the most friendly
software ?  Which has the most features ? How important is the "DUAL-PORT"
feature in the KAM box. I will be using this TNC with a Kenwood TS-440s and
a Kenwood TM-221a 2-meter mobile rig in the shack ... are any of these
boxes better suited for the Kenwood line ? I also will be using a AT-Clone
with a 30meg hard drive.

Also, can anyone suggest a good book to help me with Packett and digital
communications.

If you will respond to me directly I will summerize and post.
Thanks in advance.

Fred J. Stellabotte - Computer Systems Manager
Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
[e-mail]

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Date: 25 Aug 89 17:36:43 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: nos.exe file formats? nos erases domain.txt

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell 1-519-661-3714) writes:
>I have the Aug 89 release of NOS and I have a few questions.
>
>I have created \DOMAIN.TXT but nos always erases it when I exit the program.
>Is nos suppose to create the file itself?  How do I enter ip addresses for
>people that I already know if I don't use domain.txt.

No, nos never erases /domain.txt. Check to make sure your MS-DOS "FILES"
parameter in config.sys is sufficiently large.

>Has ftpusers changed its format?
>
>ve3pzr password \ 7      no longer works when I connect to myself.
>I can login but get permission denied on every command.

Yes. The backslashes should be changed to forward slashes; I wanted to
standardize the format across all ports of the code.

>Is there a manual that describes nos?  I have the older net.exe manual from
>May 89.

Not yet. One of these days...

Phil

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Date: 29 Aug 89 18:13:41 GMT
From: iris![e-mail]  (Gary Ford)
Subject: Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5

I have built KA9Q net 890421.1 on a Sys5 machine (HP Integral) and it
is generally working fine, except that it only looks for its files
(startup.net, ftpusers, etc.) in the current directory.  This creates
problems when I cd to a different directory while net is running.

At first glance, the code in the routine fileinit() in sys5unix.c
looks fine, in which the directory names in the environment variables
NETHOME and HOME are to be used if they aren't null, otherwise use the
current directory.  However, NETHOME and HOME are defined in the
environment, but they aren't used.

Before I search further, could someone tell me if this is a known
problem and if it has been solved?

    Thanks, Gary, N6GF

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Date: 31 Aug 89 19:30:33 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!col![e-mail]  (Bdale Garbee)
Subject: Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5

Known problem, will be fixed in 890421.2, sometime real soon.  Meanwhile, the
contact for Unix NET is Bob Hoffman, N3CVL, [e-mail] I think.

Bdale

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Date: 2 Sep 89 22:28:33 GMT
From: mailrus!wuarchive!texbell!nuchat!splut![e-mail]  (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard)
Subject: Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bdale Garbee) writes:
>Known problem, will be fixed in 890421.2, sometime real soon.  Meanwhile, the
>contact for Unix NET is Bob Hoffman, N3CVL, [e-mail] I think.

Great...

On another related topic, does 890421.x include a real telnet server for
those of us who can provide such service? (Read: Unix with ptys. I've
submitted a pty driver for System V/AT to comp.sources.misc for this
purpose.) I'd hate to reinvent the wheel...

--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL   | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[e-mail]       (eieio)| adequately be explained by stupidity.
{attctc,bellcore}!texbell!splut!jay +----------------------------------------
"Rabid rerouters *love* to route mail to [e-mail]" - Brandon Allbery

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Date: 28 Aug 89 19:10:43 GMT
From: gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!ginosko!aplcen!wb3ffv!gvdgpc![e-mail]  (Gerard J van der Grinten (PA0GRI))
Subject: Where can i find PE1CHL's version of NET

Hello NETters,
In response of the many requests for Rob - PE1CLH's version of net
Here It Is...
Where???? well I planted the bits on flash.bellcore.com for ftp access
in /pub/chlnet and for uucp acces/ bbs access the files are on
wb3ffv / gvdgpc in a directory CHLNET.

I am playing with an archive-request server BUT don't wat to take the
(enourmous) cost of the phone bill to send out the Mb's of files to each
one.. If you want them , pick them up (at your expences!!!!).

Here is the REAME file from Rob.

This set of files is the latest (14 August 1989) release of my NET version.
It contains all the features previously described on tcp-group, and is
available in PC and Atari ST versions.

Files:

890814m.arc     executable compiled using MSC 5.1.  Supports COM ports via
        MBBIOS or FOSSIL, and has the SCC driver. (Z8530)

890814l.arc     Same, but compiled in LARGE model.  This removes the 31K limit
        on heap space, but it makes the program larger.

890814az.arc    executable compiled using Aztec C 4.10d.  Contains drivers
        for 3c500 and packet, in addition to COM and SCC.

890814st.arc    executable for Atari ST, compiled using Mark Williams C.

net_doc.arc     a collection of documents, partly in Atari "first word" format
        (but plain text version of these is also included).
        It is not much, not really up-to-date, but at least read it
        before you complain about this.

netcom.arc      a utility needed when using the TNC2 emulator under DoubleDOS


73 de
Rob PE1CHL
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

Rob Janssen
Prof. L. Fuchslaan 8
3571 HC Utrecht
Netherlands

Regards, gerard.

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PACKET-RADIO Digest         Tue,  5 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 195

Today's Topics:
        Help...how do i address a packet to Hong Kong
          how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)
             USENET ON HAM RADIO
            UUCP -> Packet Gateway Script
           UUCP - Packet Gateway ? (2 msgs)
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Date: 5 Sep 89 04:38:05 GMT
From: att!cbnewsk![e-mail]  (steven.m.wheatley)
Subject: Help...how do i address a packet to Hong Kong

I would like to send a packet message to several friends in hong
kong, via the VS6UF-1 system.  How do I go about doing this, given
the new packet address format.  I haven't been on packet for some
time, and things seem to have changed CONSIDERABLY!

thanks in advance,
KU9C, steve wheatley
--
Steven Wheatley    AT&T Consumer Products    [phone]

....!att!inuxz!wheatley

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Date: 5 Sep 89 18:25:43 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca![e-mail]  (Jeff C. Glover)
Subject: how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)

I have scanners (both a PRO-32 and a PRO-2004) and computers, and would
like to monitor packet-radio transmissions.  I'd like it to interface
via RS232.  Would someone describe an inexpensive device (decoder, I
presume) that I could use with my equipment to monitor packet radio?

I don't have a pee-cee, so anything that depends heavily on MSDOS software
is out of the question.

Jeff
[e-mail]

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Date: 5 Sep 89 03:07:37 GMT
From: att!chinet![e-mail]  (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: USENET ON HAM RADIO

packet/e8

         USENET ON HAM RADIO



I am toying with the idea of making several newsgroups
available to hams who do not have access to public access
unix systems.   This would be as an adjunct to the Amateur
Radio Forum.

I presume this has all been done before and would like to
get in touch with someone who can save me the leg work.

I also presume that packet would be the way to go but am
open to other ideas.  The key must be minimum investment by
participants.

The Amateur Radio Forum     [e-mail]




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Date: 5 Sep 89 18:22:46 GMT
From: sun-barr!newstop!texsun!texbell!ark!lrark!argate![e-mail]  (Unet PBBS Administrator)
Subject: UUCP -> Packet Gateway Script

Thought someone might be interested in trying this.  I will also be
writing a routine to read uNET mail format for messages that
you receive.  For my log, anyone wanting to use the gateway
please send me your full address and what class license you are.

Below is a routine that will allow access the packet network via
WD5B Gateway.  It is a kludge, but am interested in seeing how
the system will work.  Sorry, do not have a program to create a
shar file.  Cut along lines with appropriate file names.  Any
questions to Richard Duncan WD5B @ WD5B.

No flames, RTFM's, dummies or other self-defeating comments.  This
is one of my first shell scripts, any corrections or help would
be appreciated.
---------------------Filename:  um------------------------------
#
#umailer v1.0
#Script for mailing to uNET Packet Systems
#Richard Duncan WD5B @ WD5B
#
#                       ***Define your information here***
mycall=WD5B             # Your call
myzip=72209             # Your ZIP
myuucp=argate!richard   # Your uucp address - keep SHORT
#                       **********************************
clear
echo "Message type: _\b\c"
read inputline
mailtype=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
echo "To: ______\b\b\b\b\b\b\c"
read inputline
mailto=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
echo "At bbs: ______\b\b\b\b\b\b\c"
read inputline
mailbbs=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
echo "Mail to: \c"
read inputline
uucpmailto=`cat address/$inputline`
if test -z $uucpmailto
then
    echo "Unable to locate "$mailbbs
    exit
fi
while true
do
    echo "Type (u)ucp or (m)ail [_]\b\b\c"
    read inputline
    umailtype=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
    if [ $umailtype != M ]
    then if [ $umailtype = U ]
        then break
        fi
    else
        break;
    fi
done
echo "Subj:______________________________________________________________________"
read mailsubj
mailtemp=/tmp/$mycall"_xxx"
if [ ! -r umailer.nbr ]
then
    echo "Message number: _\b\c"
    read mailnbr
else
    mailnbr=`cat umailer.nbr`
fi
mailnbr=`expr $mailnbr + 1`
echo $mailnbr > umailer.nbr
#
#                   Specify favorite text editor here
#
vi $mailtemp
#
#         * * *
#
if [ ! -r $mailtemp ]
then
    echo " " > $mailtemp
fi
clear
echo "------------------------------------------------------------------------------"
echo "Message #"$mailnbr$mailtype
echo "To: "$mailto"@"$mailbbs
echo "From: "$mycall
echo "Subj: "$mailsubj
echo "uucp mail to: "$uucpmailto
echo "------------------------------------------------------------------------------"
head -15 $mailtemp
echo ".............................................................................."
echo "\t\t\tSend (y/n) [ ]\b\b\c"
read inputline
choice=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
if [ $choice = N ]
then
    echo "Removing message."
    rm $mailtemp
    mailnbr=`expr $mailnbr - 1`
    echo $mailnbr > umailer.nbr
else
    uumailtemp=$mycall"_u"$mailnbr
    echo "S"$mailtype" "$mailto" @ "$mailbbs" < "$mycall" $"$mycall"_"$mailnbr > $uumailtemp
    echo $mailsubj >> $uumailtemp
    maildate=`date '+%y%m%d/%H%M '`
    echo "R:"$maildate" "$mailnbr"@"$mycall"  ["$myuucp"] #:"$myzip >> $uumailtemp
    cat $mailtemp >> $uumailtemp
    echo "/EX" >> $uumailtemp
    rm $mailtemp
fi
if [ $umailtype = M ]
then
    echo "Mailing "$uumailtemp" to "$uucpmailto
    mail -s "uNET MAIL" $uucpmailto < $uumailtemp
fi
if [ $umailtype = U ]
then
    echo "Sending uucp "$uumailtemp" to "$uucpmailto
    uucp uucpmailtemp uucpmailto
fi
echo "Have a nice day, Rich"
exit
--------------------------------cut-----------------------------------
Documentation (as much as there is!):

                                 UM
    A mailer script for uNET uucp -> packet Gateway

UM is a short script to allow individual users access to amateur radio
packet via uucp mail.  The mail should be addressed to argate!unetadm.
The system is self prompting.  Edit the file to put your personal information
like callsign, zip local system!username and on down in the routine your
favorite text editor (vi is default).

1.  Create directory mailer in your area and a subdirectory of address:
        mkdir mailer
        mkdir mailer/address

2.  Put UM in ./mailer.  Make sure you chmod um to execute.
3.  Create a file to handle message numbers in ./mailer:

        cat > umailder.nbr
    0
    <ctrl-d>

4.  Go into ./mailer/address and construct your addresses by a
keyword.  This can be any single word.  UM will prompt for the
mailing address and use this keyword to get the path.

For example:

        cat > argate
        texbell!ark!lrark!argate!unetadm
        <ctrl-d>

You may create any number of addresses depending on the various
system you want to send the message to.


That's it.  UM will prompt for the information that it wants and
use the information you put in the script to configure it for your
system.  This will get things started.  You may now send mail to
the system.  I will read the mail as unetadm and place the file
in a directory that will allow uNET to pick up the message and
distribute it out on the packet network, whether destined locally
or around the country/world.  Naturally, this is going to require
a little knowledge of packet on your part as to distribution, etc.
I will help as much as I can.

In the Arkansas area, we have the following bbs systems:
        WD5B   Arkansas Gateway
        KC5JH  Primary user bbs in Little Rock
        N5ALU  Ft. Smith
        KA5BML Springdale
        KD5LF  Cherokee Village

Let me know of any questions and/or comments.

Rich WD5B @ WD5B
Arkansas Gateway
:------------------------------------------------------------------:
: Richard Duncan  WD5B           Packet:  WD5B @ WD5B.AR.USA.NA    :
: Little Rock, AR                BBS:     501/568-6809 (2400/1200) :
: UUCP:    ...!texbell!ark!lrark!argate!richard                    :
:------------------------------------------------------------------:

------------------------------

Date: 4 Sep 89 14:52:13 GMT
From: rochester!kodak!swamps![e-mail]  (Val Christian)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

I am wondering if someone running a uucp-packet radio gateway could send
me directions for it's use?  I appreciate that there is a [requirement]
for monitoring mail inbound to packet radio.

I would like to be able to send and receive small ammounts of packet mail
via uucp.  My location is near Rochester NY.

Thanks much.

-Val Christian  (N2EPO)
...attctc!swamps!val
...rochester!kodak!swamps!val

------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 89 18:09:32 GMT
From: sun-barr!newstop!texsun!texbell!ark!lrark!argate![e-mail]  (Unet PBBS Administrator)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Val Christian) writes:
> I am wondering if someone running a uucp-packet radio gateway could send
> me directions for it's use?  I appreciate that there is a [requirement]
> for monitoring mail inbound to packet radio.
>
> I would like to be able to send and receive small ammounts of packet mail
> via uucp.  My location is near Rochester NY.
>
> Thanks much.
>
> -Val Christian  (N2EPO)
> ...attctc!swamps!val
> ...rochester!kodak!swamps!val

I can handle your traffic.  The format is quite easy.  Mail your messages
outbound to:

...!texbell!ark!lrark!argate!unetadm

With the following format:
Sx <to> @ <bbs> < <from_your_call> $<bid>
<subject>
.                      #
.                      # x is the type B - Bulletin, P - Private
text                   # or T - NTS traffic
.                      #
.
/ex

So, a message to w2xyz from you could be:
------------------------------------------------------------------
SB W2XYZ @ W2AAA < N2EPO $N2EPO_1
Hello, got an access
Hi Elmer,
   I thought I would say hello to you.  Long time no hear.  You can
contact me via packet at N2EPO @ WD5B.    Val, N2EPO @ WD5B
/EX
------------------------------------------------------------------
When received, it will flag it as okay and it will be picked up by my
gateway system (WD5B), normally done on a daily basis. .  Replies may
be mailed directly to you for those received here.  Use your return
packet address as N2EPO @ WD5B.  Return mail will be automaticly forward
to you via uucp.

I have written a script file that will prompt for the information and
make things a little more organized on your end.  Will pass that along
as soon as I get a little documentation included.

:------------------------------------------------------------------:
: Richard Duncan  WD5B           Packet:  WD5B @ WD5B.AR.USA.NA    :
: Little Rock, AR                BBS:     501/568-6809 (2400/1200) :
: UUCP:    ...!texbell!ark!lrark!argate!richard                    :
:------------------------------------------------------------------:

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Date: Thu,  7 Sep 89 15:00:24 MDT
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #196
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Thu,  7 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 196

Today's Topics:

              8th ARRL CNC Registration
          how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)
              New to HAM/Packet (2 msgs)
             PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #194
             packet mod for TM321
          Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5
             USENET ON HAM RADIO
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 89 11:22:00 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject:

delete me from distribution list for packet-radio

------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 89 15:30:08 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!col![e-mail]  (Bdale Garbee)
Subject: 8th ARRL CNC Registration

REMINDER FOR THOSE PLANNING TO ATTEND THE 8th NETWORKING CONFERENCE (7-8 Oct)

Reservations at the Marriott should be made no later than Sept. 6th to assure
the rates and space. Call [phone], do not use the Marriott WATS number.
Request space for attendance at the "ARRL Networking Conference".

Please send your conference registration fee as soon as possible to permit us
to properly handle the expected crowd. Send, and make checks payable to:
Andy Freeborn, N0CCZ, 5222 Borrego Drive, Colorado Springs, CO, 80918
($20.00).

If you missed earlier news releases on the conference and need info call me
at: [phone], or Compuserve 73177,1317 or N0CCZ@KA0WIE.

Andy Freeborn N0CCZ, Pres., TAPR


------------------------------

Date: 6 Sep 89 22:45:56 GMT
From: elbereth.rutgers.edu!ron.rutgers.edu![e-mail]  (Ron Natalie)
Subject: how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)

The easiest way to decode packet radio is to buy a TNC.  This
is the combination modem and AX.25 protocol engine that is
the center of most of packet radio.  You can usually dig
one up for under $100.00.  If you really want to be cheap
you can go out and get one of the FSK decoder chips.  VHF Packet
radio uses 202 modem tones.  You'd have to convert it to RS-232 and
shove it into the PC and write something to make the framing
intelligeable, but it would work, I suppose.

-Ron

------------------------------

Date: 7 Sep 89 03:20:20 GMT
From: usc!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!gryphon!pnet02![e-mail]  (Jim Burnes)
Subject: New to HAM/Packet

Hi All!

I am considering getting into Packet Radio and would like to setup a
UseNet TranContinental Hop with it.  Can packet be used to send uucp/
usenet/fidonet etc mail?  What is the best book available that tells
you the step-by-step approach to becoming a packeteer from just a lowly
technical type (not even a HAM).  I am familiar with communications
programming so you can just give me the 1,2,3 steps necessary to get a
decent station up and running.

Jim Burnes

UUCP: {ames!elroy, <routing site>}!gryphon!pnet02!jburnes
INET: [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 7 Sep 89 18:30:24 GMT
From: elbereth.rutgers.edu!chopin.rutgers.edu![e-mail]  (Ron Natalie)
Subject: New to HAM/Packet

I hate to burst your plans but a USENET or FIDONET link
as you describe would be blatently illegal over amateur
radio.  The first problem is that someone has to accept
responsibility for the traffic conforming to the FCC
regulations.  Business traffic, profanity, and messages
to or from certain foreign countries are right out.
The only USENET connections that I'm aware of have humans
on the HAM/NON-HAM boundry.

Second, the only real transcontinental packet is being done
on the lower frequency (HF) bands.  Unattended operation of
stations is not permitted there.  There is an experimental
HF forwarding network on HF now, but that is operating under
special authority from the FCC.

However, there's plenty of fun and usefulness that can be
done with packet radio.  To get started, you do need an
amateur radio license.  The most common is a Technician
class license that requires you be able to receive 5 WPM
morse code and answer about 60 multiple choice questions
on radio theory and regulations.  You can get code tapes
and study guides from Radio Shack among other places.

-Ron

------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 89 23:14:00 EDT
From: "SWEIGERT, DAVID" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #194

73 Magazine   April 89

  I have been looking high and low for a copy of the 73 Magazine

April , 1989 issue.  Does anyone have a copy ?  I need an article

on the HR 2510.

Dave Sweigert WB9VKO

PO Box 4423

Annapolis, MD  21403


cheerrs..




------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 89 14:37:21 GMT
From: philmtl!philabs!briar.philips.com![e-mail]  (Robert Casey;6282;3.57;$0201)
Subject: packet mod for TM321

copied from packet:
 Msg# TSP  Size #Rd Date/Time MsgID        From   To
  2627 BF   1043   2 0904/0022 4650_WA2SNA  WM8J   ALL@ALLBBS
   Sb: TM231PACKETMOD

    THE FOLLOWING IS AN EASY MOD TO SQUELCH THE AUDIO AT MIC PIN 6 FOR
    TNC'S

    WITHOUT TRUE DCD:  OBTAIN FROM KENWOOD A 2SD1757(K) (SURFACE
MOUNT TRANSISTOR).  INSTALL EMITTER TO MIC PIN 8, COLLECTOR TO
MIC PIN 6, AND JUMPER FROM BASE TO THE UNUSED PIN ON CONNECTOR
202. USING THE UNUSED PIN RATHER THAN RUNNING THE JUMPER TO THE
    MOTHER BOARD PRESERVES THE PLUG IN FEATURE OF THE FRONT PANEL.
    CONNECT ONE END OF A 4.7 K RESISTOR (I USED A 6.8 K) TO THE
    MUTE LINE (IC 5 PIN 7), AND CONNECT THE OTHER END TO THE UNUSED
    PIN OF CONNECTOR 4, WHICH MATES WITH CONNECTOR 202.  THIS NEW
    CIRCUIT IS A CLOSE COPY OF THE AF MUTE CIRCUIT THAT SQUELCHES
    THE RX AUDIO AT THE SPEAKER. IT WORKS PERFECT WITH MY PACCOMM
    MICROPOWER 2.  THE HARDEST PART OF THE MOD IS REMOVING THE
    LOCKING RING AROUND THE MIC CONNECTOR. I USED A MODIFIED TABLE
    FORK! GOOD LUCK.

    0241z, 939 msgs, #2643 last @KD6TH-4 MailBox>
Note: I haven't tried this, proceed at your own risk! WA2ISE

------------------------------

Date: 6 Sep 89 21:14:25 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!col![e-mail]  (Bdale Garbee)
Subject: Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5

>On another related topic, does 890421.x include a real telnet server for
>those of us who can provide such service? (Read: Unix with ptys. I've
>submitted a pty driver for System V/AT to comp.sources.misc for this
>purpose.) I'd hate to reinvent the wheel...

Yes.  Any time you compile with 'UNIX' defined (as you will if using
makefile.unx), you get an extra server called 'telunix'.  In your startup
file, just 'start telunix' instead of 'start telnet', and your incoming
telnet sessions will be hooked to pty's.

It's a bit rough yet, you'll have to play with eol and stty settings, but it
does work.

There has been some discussion of moving the 'telnet' server to some port
other than the telnet port, but nothing has been nailed down yet.  Part of the
reason is that there's this feeling running around that we ought to do a real
"talk-like" split screen chat application, and use that for packet qso's, and
reserve telnet for real logins.  Dunno what we'll do yet...

73 - Bdale, N3EUA

------------------------------

Date: 6 Sep 89 22:42:22 GMT
From: elbereth.rutgers.edu!ron.rutgers.edu![e-mail]  (Ron Natalie)
Subject: USENET ON HAM RADIO

There are some guys in Ocean County NJ running a UNIX machine
on packet, however the USENET stuff is manually forwarded since
it must be auditted for suitability for transmission.

-Ron

------------------------------

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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #197
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Fri,  8 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 197

Today's Topics:
          how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)
                  Packet map
               UUCP - Packet Gateway ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 7 Sep 89 18:58:20 GMT
From: cadnetix.COM!cadnetix![e-mail]  (Rusty Carruth)
Subject: how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
    (Ron Natalie) writes:
>....  and write something to make the framing intelligeable, but it would work,
>I suppose.
>
>-Ron


Actually, there was an article in "ham radio" about just that thing a while
back (except it used 'kiss mode' to do it, I believe).  Interesting
how the callsign and some other stuff got shifted up a bit....  If you
really are thinking about doing this yourself, I'd suggest you look
up a few of the last issues of HR mag and see what they have already
accomplished.

A better Idea is to just go out and buy a TNC,  I got mine for $125
brand new, so you can do at least as well.
----------
Rusty Carruth  UUCP:{uunet,boulder}!cadnetix!rusty  DOMAIN: [e-mail]
Daisy/Cadnetix Corp. [phone]\  5775 Flatiron Pkwy. \ Boulder, Co 80301
Radio: N7IKQ    'home': P.O.B. 461 \  Lafayette, CO 80026

------------------------------

Date: 8 Sep 89 12:48:48 GMT
From: rochester!kodak!ektools![e-mail]  (Andrew A. Kinsman)
Subject: Packet map

                               -=>

                               -=>
==============================================================




















                             LAN's
Barrie-Orillia,ONT--> @VE3FJB[01/07]            W.ONT.......14
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~      !       \               ONT - WNY...14
     Milton,ONT-->   @VE3KOI     \              WNY.........14
      [03/01 nites] TORONTO \     \             ROCHESTER...14
            ~~~~~~~  \     \            CNY.........14
Lockport --->          KO2J-1->-----\--------,  SO.TIER.....14
Niag.Falls->@W2ICZ[59/01]    / \     \       !  MHWK-HUDSON.14
Brockport--->     \@WB2VPH--/---\WB2VPH-1,-7 !  CATSK-NYC...14
Rochester-->       \/    `-+--K2JD  /   \    !  LONG IS. ...14
Roch.[03]->@WB2WXQ /\     /       \/     \   !
Marion---->  !    /  \   /        N2AMK   !  !
         !        \ !        /   /\   !  !
Churchv'l[03] \  \  \  \ \      /   /  \  !  '
  `--> @N2EPO\ \  \  \  \ \    /   /    \ ! /
Fairport----> \ \  \  \  \ `-W2DUC<      \!/
Newark--->     \ \  \  \  \ / /    `---WA2AAZ--------------AE2
        \ \  \  \  X /         /  ! \               /
Batavia [03/59/01]-> KA2VTY-X         /   !  `---------@KC3BQ
Lima [03] KA1YE-3 ---' !   ! \       /    !             / !  !
Attica ---->    N2GH-1[59] !  >---. /     !            /  !  !
Wethersfield-->         K2IMF-1    X      !           /   !  !
    Cortland--->       / \    / \ ,---!-,--------/----!-WA
    Hammondsport-->       /  N2CEH-1-X    !'        !      !
             /   /      / \  /!         !      !
    Ithaca----->    /   /      /   `/  >--------!--K2VD--'
    Ithaca----->   /   /   K2SJB-1 / `/---.     !   /!\
    Ithaca----->  /    !   K2SJB[01]-'----.\    !  / ! \
    Alpine-----> /     !          ,-----,--->-@N2EZG--, \
            /      !         /          /[01/07] \ \
    Pine Vly-> /       ! WA2DGS[07] -------+--------------
          /        !                  /     !    !   \
Mayville----> WA0PTY-1     !                 /      !   /
       Elmira------->  !                /   WB2VPY-1 ----.
       Elmira------->   \              /   /      !
       Elmira------->    \       `- @KC2AZ[01/07] !
       Nichols------>     \          /     \`--- WA2IKF---
          Binghamton--->   `--------<       \     !
          Hawleyton---->             \       `----!-------
                     !            !
          Towanda,PA ----->      !           @AG3F
                     !            !
           Canton,PA ----->      !        WA3QAG-1
                     !            !
                     !           [01]
        Honesdale,PA ----->      !            !
                     !            !
                     !            !
                     !            !
          Williamsport,PA -->        !       @KB3OM
                     !            !
                     !            !
        Lock Haven,PA -->     K3QFW-1         !
                      \           !
        Wilkes-Barre,PA->          `---------/--------
                            /
                           /         /
    State College,PA--> @WA7SSO ----------------------------'
           Harrisburg,PA --->                /
@W2XO  <--- Gibsonia,PA ------------------------'
       (Pittsburgh)
             E.Bangor,PA -->










Baltimore,MD / Washington,DC -->


  <=-
          This map is meant to Geographically Approximate
  <=-             locations of 2M PBBs's and key digipeaters.
=================================================================
                   #VE2VCA      <-- Montreal, QUE
               .-----VE2RM              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      @VE3PNZ @VE3FXI     /       /!              <-, Ottawa, ONT
       !   !         /       / !                ! ~~~~~~~~~~~
       VE3PAK ------'       /  !              <-'
         /   \             /   !
     VE3DVQ   \           /    !              <-- Lavant, ONT
           \   \         /     !                  ~~~~~~~~~~~
        \   \       /      !
         \   \   @NA2B     !                  <-- Massena
     ( ?? )       \   \   / \      !               <-(Ogdensburg)
           \   \ /   \     !    .--@KD1R-1 <-- Milton, VT
            NA2B-1    \    !   /      / /  <------ Canton
               / \     \   !  /  KD2AJ / <-- S.Plattsburg
              /   \     \  ! /  /  !  /
             /     `-----W2UXC-1   ! /      <--- Lyon Mtn
        N2MD-1 ---------'   \      !!          <-----Fine
           /                     \     !!,------ @WB1DSW-1
          /                       \    !!! (NEGate-E.KgstnNH)
         /                         \   !!!   ,----W1HJF-1
        /                           \  !!!  /  (Mt.Wash.,NH)
5.07       /                            WA1TLN-1 <-Ascutney Mt,VT
5.03    WA2OFK                          /  !! <-------Boonville
5.59      !                .....[05].../...!!.......W1OJ[05]digi
5.03      !                :          /    !!   (Mt.Wachusett,MA)
5.09      !                :   W2DPD-1     !! <------ Lake George
5.07      !    N2GFN[05]...:.WA2UMX-5 \    !! <---------- Corinth
5.05      !       :       :            \   !! <------------Marcy
5.05       \    [05]      :   @WA2UMX  /   !! <--Saratoga Springs
5.07        \ @WA2TVE-4   :   [05/01]-'   /!! <---------- Utica
         \  [01]      :      /       / !!             ~~~~~
          \   !    ,--- KA2FQE------' / !    <-- Middle Grove
           \  !   /   :  //!\        /  !
        \ !  /    : // ! \      /   !    <--Liverpool
         \! /@KC2PH<-, !  \    /     \  <-Herkimer[05/01]
        ,---K2IQ---'  :/ ! !   \  /       !  <-- Westmoreland
K-1--------' /  /!\ \     /  !  \   \/        !  <--Liverpool
        /  / ! \ \   /: [01] \  /\        !
-----------'  /  ! !  \ / :  !    \/  \       !  <--Skaneateles
         /  /  !   \ [05]!    /\   \      !
        /  /   !  / \ :  !   /  \   \     !
       /  /    ! ! ...:  !  /    \   \    !
2VAM-1 ---<  /     ! ! :  \  ! / ,----\---`--KY1H    <-- Peru, MA
(COR)      \/      ! ! :,- K2AE-<      \      !   <- Pattersonvle
       !\      ! ! / @WB2ACV \      \     !   <--- New Berlin
       ! >- KC2FY-1:    !     \      \    !   <----- Edmeston
       !/ ,-----'  :    ! WB2WHD-1    \   !   <----- Delanson
       ! !     :   :    !             !   !
       ! !  @KC2FY[05]  !             !   !   <-- Cooperstown
       ! !     :   : WA2EYH-7 -,      !   !   <--- Bainbridge
----[07]-----------------KB2KW-7---'      !   !   <-EA Link Field
 \         ! !     :   :    !             !   !
\ \        ! !     :   :    !             !   !
 \ \       ! !     :   :   [07]           !   !
\ \ \      ! !     :   ;    !             !   !
 \ \ \     ! K2QIE[05]      !             !   !       <----Maine
. \ \ \    ! ! :           /              !   !
 \ \ \ \   ! ! :                          !   !
--`-`-`-`-W2OW :                          !   !
     \    !    :        ,--- @WA2RKN-2    !   !     <-- Hyde Park
     .`...!....:         /            \   !  /
    :  \  !           /   ,---------WB2KMY-1     <-- Mt. Beacon
    :   [01]           /   /              !  \ ?
    :    /            /   /               ! KG1O-9 <-- Mt. Ninham
   [05] /,-----------'   /                ! /  ? `----?------>
    :  </----- @KB3ZW-1-'                / /
    :  !  White Plains ------>          / /  WB2QJA[05]
    :  ! Montauk,LI--[07/01]->         / /      !    @K2AAA-4[07]
    :  !               LI---->        / /       !   @N1DL->  !
    :  !  Farmingville,LI---->       / /        !  @W2HPM'\  !
    :  !  Farmingville,LI---->      / /         !     /   @W2JUP
    :  !  New York City -->        / /       @N2MH-5 /    [01/07]
    :  !  New York City -->      WB2VTN-1           /       /  /
    :  !  Dix Hills,LI------->    !   \       .--WA2VYL-1  /
 @K3RLI[01/05]                    !    \     /    /       /
/   :  !  Holbrook,LI-------->    !     \   /    / KA2EYW-1[07]
    :  !  Freeport[01/221.11]-->  ! !    @AI2Q----/----'
    :  !    [03/221.11 eves]      ! !   [01/07]  /
 @AK3P-5[05/01]                   ! !    /   \  /
    :  !                         /  !   /     \/
    :  !   ,------------ WA2SNA-2   !  /      / <----- Oakland,NJ
    : @KB3UD                    \   ! /      /
    :  !                  V    @WA2SNA-1    / <----- Hawthorne,NJ
    :  !                            !      /
    :  !                            !     /
    :  !                            !    /
    :  !                       @KB1BD[07]     <---- Plainsboro,NJ
    : /
    :/
    !
    !
    !
@W3IWI
=================================================================

------------------------------

Date: 6 Sep 89 12:05:00 GMT
From: pur-phy!tippy![e-mail]
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

What is the "$<bid>" used for?


*************************************************************************
*    Rob Dale              /-\  tippy!fireman                           *
*    Purdue University     =+=               @newton.physics            *
*    Atmospheric Sciences  \-/                              .purdue.edu *
*************************************************************************

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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 89 01:01:09 MDT
From: [e-mail]
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #198
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Sun, 10 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 198

Today's Topics:
           New application of packet technology (?)
              New to HAM/Packet
   Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!
               UUCP - Packet Gateway ?
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Date: 8 Sep 89 16:38:48 GMT
From: dino!sharkey!lopez![e-mail]  (Gary Bourgois)
Subject: New application of packet technology (?)

    I am the operator of a system (lopez) which is on this network, and
    is also home of a local public access system, one of two such systems
    in my community.  For a long time now, myself and the operator of the
    other site have been talking about linking our two systems into a
    "megasystem", allowing file transfers, multi user chat over both
    systems, and other nifty features.  As we are both fairly innovative
    in our concepts (the activity between our two systems has
    resulted in making our community very unique as far as local small
    town telecom goes)... we are constantly looking for new ground to
    break.

    Our idea of linking the two systems prompted me to consider a RADIO
    LINK.  While both our systems are NON COMMERCIAL, I would prefer not
    to do it as a HAM PACKET system, but rather to apply for either a
    commercial, or non commercial experimental license, BUT would like to
    use a packet type technology for the link.

    I know of no work that has been done in this area, and am not sure
    where to start.  I am figuring on using microwaves or "high end UHF"
    for the link.  I would like the data to go at least at 9600 baud if
    at all possible.

    Yes it would probably be easier to just run a dedicated phone line
    between the two systems, but THIS would be more fun, and something
    useful might come of it.  Tinkering and experimenting are also
    something we both get into (although the other op is NOT a ham, he IS
    an SWL)...

    I would like to put out a plea to members of the net to give us as
    much input as possible on the feasibility of this project.  Don't
    just write and tell me we are insane, we already know that....

    What type of hardware is avaialble, what frequencies would be
    recommended? How hard it it to get an experimental license?

    My system is a non profit corporation.

    The discussion is probably more suited to EMAIL, since technically it
    is NOT Ham radio, though will draw heavily from the packet
    technology.

    I am also wondering the legality of setting up a packet bbs, and
linking
    it with my landline unix system, and thus allowing this conference to
be
    available over the airwaves, and allowing users to send email via a
    combination of packet and landline.  How do third party agreements
enter
    into this?  Must I read and approve each message (as the licensed
amateur
    operator of the pbbs?)  Enquiring minds want to know....

    The main thrust of this post though, is the feasibility of the proposed
    radio link (non amateur, either by experimental or commercial license)
    using packet technology.

    I hope to hear from some folks out there...  If anyone has done such
    a thing, I would like to know about it...

    Reply to flash@lopez

    US MAIL:

    G. Bourgois
    Great White North Uplink
    429 Spring Street
    Marquette, Michigan  49855

--
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
| Gary Bourgois, ...rutgers!sharkey!lopez!flash  ([e-mail]) |
|     Nationwide Amateur Radio NIGHTLY after 0200z on 3950 KHz      |
 -------------[ WB8EOH = The Eccentric Old Hippie ]-----------------

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Date: 10 Sep 89 00:16:30 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: New to HAM/Packet

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Natalie) writes:
>I hate to burst your plans but a USENET or FIDONET link
>as you describe would be blatently illegal over amateur
>radio.  The first problem is that someone has to accept
>responsibility for the traffic conforming to the FCC
>regulations.  Business traffic, profanity, and messages
>to or from certain foreign countries are right out.

The rules regarding international amateur third-party traffic apply only to
direct communication between amateur stations; it doesn't matter whether we
have a third-party agreement with the country that is the ultimate source or
destination of the traffic.

For example, if the US has a third-party agreement with country B but not
country C, but countries B and C have agreements with each other, then it is
perfectly legal to route third party traffic to or from country C via
country B.  In networking terminology, the third party rules operate at the
link layer, not at the network layer.

This may seem like a shady legal loophole, but it actually makes sense when
you consider that the reason for third party agreements (or, more
accurately, the lack of same) between pairs of countries is so that the
countries involved can protect their monopoly interests in the international
common-carrier routes between them.  It is perfectly legal for you, as an
American ham, to accept third-party traffic by radio and forward it to
Europe, as long as you use the telephone instead of radio for the hop across
the Atlantic, and as long as the station you accepted the traffic from is
either in the US or is in a country with which the US has a third-party
agreement.  The source or ultimate destination of the traffic is irrelevant.

Here's another way of looking at it. The US Government, as a matter of
public policy, does not protect any US telecommunications carrier from the
loss of revenue that occurs whenever a US ham uses radio instead of a common
carrier to carry messages between points inside the US. (Assuming, of course,
that the messages are otherwise suitable for amateur radio -- no business or
obscene communications, etc.) For a foreign country to be able to determine
what can or cannot be said over amateur radio between points in the US would
be a violation of the sovereignty of the US government over domestic
communications.

In other words, if you distributed USENET messages via radio to other
stations in the US, you would have to screen them for content but you would
NOT have to worry about their country of origin.

Phil

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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 89 00:03:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!

I posted The following message to the tcp_group and am reposting here
for the prevailing benefit of interested Packeteer's!


    Sent: 09/09/89 10:28  Rcvd: 09/09/89 11:01  Number: 59
      To: [e-mail]                      From: Doug Yuill
 Subject: Distribution of NET

It seems we see lots of requests for NET executable's for the various
machines that NET has been ported to. Is our distribution mechanism so
ad hoc that we don't have a current (to within 12 months) list of people
who will send you NET for your particular hardware?
I would like to offer to distribute NET for the Macintosh & IBM pc for a
DONATION of $15 to our local working group. I expect to have both the
the old version and the new version of NET for the Amiga and if Rob wants
to send me his Atari version I'll send him the current Mac distribution.
Any other keepers of the bits (do we have a xenix port?) who wish me to
distribute there versions of NET please send them along.
As I have an interest in user testing I may also be able to provide help
in cases where potental NETer's get hopelessly lost in the documentation.
Please mail your disks or dollars to:
                       Doug Yuill
                      54 Ella St.
                      Ottawa, Ont.
                      Canada, K1S 2G4
[e-mail] or gandalf!scs!yuill or VE3OCU@VE3JF, Ottawa


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Date: 8 Sep 89 13:53:53 GMT
From: philmtl!philabs!briar.philips.com![e-mail]  (Robert Casey;6282;3.57;$0201)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

In article <27400001@tippy> [e-mail] writes:
>What is the "$<bid>" used for?

This is used to avoid duplication of your bullitin on BBSs as your bullitin
propagates thru the regiom you wanted.  If you don't use it, a far-away BBS
could receive your bullitin via several paths, and it wouldn't know that these
bullitins were the same one.  The bullitin would be posted multiple times
needlessly.  To make the bid work, do this format:
SB ALL@ALLBBS $###_call
where ### is an id number you assign, and call is your callsign.  You don't
have to use exactly this format, but if you happen to use the same bid that
someone else used, your message will get ignored (the BBSs will think it's a
duplicate of something it received already).  Using your call in the bid
should make it unique.  Example: if this was packet and I wanted to send this
as a bullitin to the USA, I'd do
SB ALL@ALLBBS $123_WA2ISE

73 de WA2ISE

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 89 05:00:11 MDT
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PACKET-RADIO Digest         Mon, 11 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 199

Today's Topics:
           New application of packet technology (?)
              New to HAM/Packet
   Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!
           UUCP - Packet Gateway ? (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 11 Sep 89 00:21:27 GMT
From: ncrlnk!ncrcae!prdmgt![e-mail]  (Joe Flake)
Subject: New application of packet technology (?)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Bourgois) writes:
>
>    Our idea of linking the two systems prompted me to consider a RADIO
>    LINK.  While both our systems are NON COMMERCIAL, I would prefer not
>    to do it as a HAM PACKET system, but rather to apply for either a
>    commercial, or non commercial experimental license, BUT would like to
>    use a packet type technology for the link.
>
>    I know of no work that has been done in this area, and am not sure
>    where to start.  I am figuring on using microwaves or "high end UHF"
>    for the link.  I would like the data to go at least at 9600 baud if
>    at all possible.
>
>    What type of hardware is avaialble, what frequencies would be
>    recommended? How hard it it to get an experimental license?


In the past few days I was passed a copy of a press-release and
data sheet of a "radio modem for PCs".  A friend saw the product
being shown at a trade show months (a year?) ago using HAM FREQUENCIES!
He filled out the card for more info, got a brochure then, and now
an update.

This claims to be a radio-in-a-pc-card, now with type acceptance
for 450-470 MHZ business band.  They also claim versions can be
made to work in 406-420 MHZ fed government band, and 420-450 MHZ
HAM band!

They claim 2 watts, up to 15 mile range, and 9600bps.  They use
what they call "RX.25" protocol.

In all fairness their brochure does say "Use of radio frequencies
may require prior authorization; consult your local FCC office
for policy and regulations."  I am however concerned by the fact
that they used HAM frequencies at a commercial trade show.

If you're interested, contact:
    Megadata
    Bohemia, New York
    516-589-6858

DISCLAIMER:  I have NO knowledge or interest in this product
beyond what I read in their data sheet.

Joe Flake, N4BGQ
NCR Corp, W. Columbia, SC
[e-mail]

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Date: 10 Sep 89 18:04:39 GMT
From: asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n390.z1.fidonet.org![e-mail]  (Walt Fair)
Subject: New to HAM/Packet

In an article of <7 Sep 89 18:30:24 GMT>, [e-mail] (Ron Natalie)
writes:

 RN>..From: [e-mail] (Ron Natalie)

 RN>..I hate to burst your plans but a USENET or FIDONET link
 RN>..as you describe would be blatently illegal over amateur
 RN>..radio.  The first problem is that someone has to accept
 RN>..responsibility for the traffic conforming to the FCC
 RN>..regulations.  Business traffic, profanity, and messages
 RN>..to or from certain foreign countries are right out.
 RN>..The only USENET connections that I'm aware of have humans
 RN>..on the HAM/NON-HAM boundry.

    Well, you really ought to check out your facts before you post a
message. I have spoken with the FCC and they disagree with your analysis. If
the intent is hobby communications, then they see no problem. If the intent is
business, etc, then that's another matter. My packet/Fidonet interface has been
operational and in service for well over 6 months and runs unattended, with
full knowledge by the FCC, since I checked with them first. Of course, I don't
port all the Fidonet echos over, just HAM, PACKET, and SHORTWAVE. I also don't
send the Fidonet mail traffic by radio, but by phone. At any rate, it isn't
blatently illegal, at least according to the FCC.

    Walt KE5WJ





--
Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!stjhmc!390!1!Walt.Fair
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: 11 Sep 89 00:27:09 GMT
From: [e-mail]  (Patty Winter)
Subject: Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!

In article <[e-mail]6> [e-mail] writes:
>I would like to offer to distribute NET for the Macintosh & IBM pc for a
>DONATION of $15 to our local working group. I expect to have both the
>the old version and the new version of NET for the Amiga and if Rob wants
>to send me his Atari version I'll send him the current Mac distribution.


U.S. hams may want to obtain the Macintosh version from:
    Doug Thom N6OYU
    1405 Graywood Drive
    San Jose, CA 95129

Doug is the project coordinator for the Macintosh port, so he always
has the latest version.

In Europe, Jean-Pierre Szikora ([e-mail]) has offered
to provide the same service. He's at:

    Institut Ludwig
    74, av. Hippocrate UCL7459
    B-1200 Brussels     Belgium

Please send a blank (preferably formatted) 800K disk with a return
disk mailer and appropriate postage or IRCs.

Remember--this is for the Macintosh version only! You DOS folks are
on your own. :-)


Patty

(Sorry for the separate posting to r.h-r and r.h-r.p, but the original
articles were posted separately and I didn't see the one in .packet
until after I'd posted my followup in r.h-r.)

--
=============================================================================
Patty Winter N6BIS                        INTERNET: [e-mail]
AMPR.ORG: [44.4.0.44]                     UUCP: {decwrl,nsc,sun}!apple!winter
=============================================================================

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Date: 11 Sep 89 02:22:39 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!sequent![e-mail]  (Brian Sheets)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

Where can one get software to run UUCP-packet  gateways?



--
Brian Sheets KA7KDX         _  /|                   "I'll be back"
19730 SW Prospect Ln.       \`o_O'
Aloha, Or 97007               ( ) Aachk!        - Arnold Schwarzenegger,
503-526-4091                   U   Phft!         Any movie he's been in.

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Date: 11 Sep 89 06:19:48 GMT
From: brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!wuarchive!texbell!ark!lrark![e-mail]  (Rick Mobley)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Sheets) writes:
> Where can one get software to run UUCP-packet  gateways?
>

You might try WD5B @ WD5B or [e-mail]. We are running three such
systems here in Little Rock. Rich is the gateway station. The other two are
only beta sites to help test the software. Keep in mind its UNIX-based.


--
Ricky L. Mobley, WB5FDP | Mail) ...!uunet!wugate!      |    CIS: 70505,1157
1800 Sanford Drive #4   | Path)     wuarchive!texbell! | PACKET: WB5FDP @ WD5B
Little Rock, AR 72207   |           ark!lrark!rick     |   XBBS: [phone]

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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 89 15:00:12 MDT
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #200
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Wed, 13 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 200

Today's Topics:
             (NOS)net.exe package
                bbs protocols
            Heathkit HD-4040 help
             Problem with TNC-1 KISS ROM
             USENET ON HAM RADIO
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 13 Sep 89 15:47:10 GMT
From: enterprise![e-mail]  ('Captain' Kirk DeHaan)
Subject: (NOS)net.exe package

Can anyone direct me to the latest version of the NOS version
of net.exe that is available for anonymous FTP?  I'm looking
for the "complete" package or at least as much as I can get.

Also, I'm looking for a short tutorial on the operation
of NOS.  I have an old copy but am having a great deal of
trouble getting things going.  The stopper is an error stating
"host unknown".  I realize the setup is quite different from
the old net.exe and the documentation I have for the new version
is sparse.

Help me Mr. Wizard! :-)


********************************************************************
* 'Captain' Kirk DeHaan                 "There's a lot to be said  *
*  Sun Microsystems Inc.                  For a blow to the head"  *
*                                                                  *
*  [e-mail]                               Blue Oyster Cult     *
*                                                                  *
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Date: 11 Sep 89 00:33:26 GMT
From: cadre.dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!w2xo![e-mail]  (Jim Durham)
Subject: bbs protocols

Does anyone know where I might find a detailed list of packet bbs
protocol specs?
I have posed this question to many folks, including some of the
authors of the popular bbs software and have received in response
just bits and pieces here and there. After writing my own bbs code
to run under Unix, I found that I had to put it on the air and wait
for the complaints to come in about "Hey..your bbs isn't doing
so-and-so correctly". Usually this relates to SIDs or BIDs or MIDs
or extended addressing.
It looks like someone just comes up with some idea for a new
feature and everyone is just supposed to know how to handle it.
Perhaps, being mostly interested in C and Unix and not doing a lot
of packeteering daily (except for the bbs), I just don't get exposed
to stuff that "everyone knows".
Anyone have anything official or semi-official?
-73
Jim, W2XO    (w2xo![e-mail])  (W2XO@W2XO)

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Date: 13 Sep 89 19:35:06 GMT
From: notecnirp![e-mail]  (Matt Blaze)
Subject: Heathkit HD-4040 help

I've got an old Heath HD-4040 TNC-1 clone and naturally have managed
to loose the manual. Can some kind soul please tell me the radio
connector pinouts?  Thanks!

-matt
wb2sri
[e-mail]

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Date: 12 Sep 89 00:18:35 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd![e-mail]  (Mark A. Matthews)
Subject: Problem with TNC-1 KISS ROM

I'm using the TNC-1 KISS code for my ancient, but reliable TNC-1.  The
problem I have is that I can't seem to get the ROM bits to operate but the
RAM-based version (downloaded to the tnc via the TNCBUG monitor) works fine.

The main problem I see is that the ROM KISS will monitor the channel OK,
send packets OK, but fails to receive the first packet heard immediately
after sending one.  This is rather frustrating, since the first packet heard
after sending one is usually some sort of acknowledgement of the just-sent
packet! (And no one tell me to use a more congested channel!)

I've diddled with the various timing parameters, thinking that perhaps one
of those is not set correctly, but to no avail.  Has anyone one else solved
this problem?  I really rather not have to dig out the old 6809 analyzer and
re-debug the wheel.


--
-Mark ([e-mail] -or- ..!tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mam)

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Date: 12 Sep 89 17:40:44 GMT
From: jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!censor!geac!becker![e-mail]  (Bruce Becker)
Subject: USENET ON HAM RADIO

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|
|I am toying with the idea of making several newsgroups
|available to hams who do not have access to public access
|unix systems.   This would be as an adjunct to the Amateur
|Radio Forum.
|
|I presume this has all been done before and would like to
|get in touch with someone who can save me the leg work.
|
|I also presume that packet would be the way to go but am
|open to other ideas.  The key must be minimum investment by
|participants.

    A simple solution would be to send the articles
    as mail to the intended user. You can set up
    your News "sys" file something like this -

        hamuser:group1,group2::mail hamuser@hamlocation

    If you are sending via some other facility than
    mail you can substitute it for the mail command
    above as long as it takes the message from the
    standard input.
    The limitations are that the end recipient will
    have to make something up to sort the newsgroups
    into directories or digests if there is a lot of
    news to keep track of. You could do something on
    your end which could help -

        hamuser:group1,group2:F:

    This puts the article pathnames into the Batch
    directory where you can periodically process it,
    such as sorting the list, digestifying, etc. with
    some simple scripts.

Hope this helps,
--
  \__/   Bruce Becker   Toronto, Ont.
w \@@/   Internet: [e-mail], [e-mail]
 `/~/-e  BitNet:   [e-mail]
_<  \_   Happiness is a warm gnu, yes it is - R. M. Soulman

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Date: Fri, 08 Sep 89 12:44:34 BST
From: [e-mail]



 Relayed from G6CZV by G1YYH@GB7NWP
==========================================================================
 Date: 29 Aug 89 07:47
 Message-ID: <9065@GB7NWP>
 From: G6CZV@GB7NWP To: ALL@GBR
 Subject: CHANGING PARAMETERS SURVEY

HELLO THERE. TONY HERE IN SUNNY RAMSBOTTOM.

I WONDER IF YOU HAVE HAD ANY OF YOUR PARAMETERS IN YOUR TNC CHANGED WITHOUT
YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR IF YOU HAVE HEARD OF THIS HAPPENING TO OTHERS. IN A COUPLE
OF CASES HERE IN THE NORTH (UK) PARAMETERS HAVE BEEN CHANGED WITHOUT OWNERS
KNOWING.  ON ONE OCCASION A MAILBOX (PMS) WAS SWITCHED OFF TWO DAYS RUNNING
WITH OTHER PARAMETERS CHANGED.  IN MY CASE MY MYCALL WAS CHANGED TO THAT OF A
LOCAL BBS SYSOPS. YOU CAN IMAGINE THE TROUBLE THAT CAUSED WITH MAIL FORWARDING
ETC. THE THEORY IS THAT SOMEONE HAS FOUND A WAY OF ALTERING PARAMETERS OVER
THE AIR REMOTELY.   HAS ANY ONE ELSE EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THIS ????

PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE AT G6CZV @ GB7NWP. (ax25)
                  or G1YYH @ GB7NWP



         John Heaton
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JANET:       [e-mail]                    NRS Central Administrator,
Internet:    [e-mail]    MCC Network Unit (G45),
EARN/BITNET: J.Heaton%MCC.ac.uk@UKACRL             The University,
UUCP:        ...!ukc!umist!J.Heaton                Oxford Road,
Phone:       [+44 61 | 061] 275-6011               Manchester,
FAX:         [+44 61 | 061] 275-6040               M13 9PL.
Ax.25:       G1YYH @ GB7NWP - [44.131.1.8] amiga.G1YYH.ampr.org

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 89 13:54:43 MDT
From: [e-mail]
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #201
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Fri, 15 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 201

Today's Topics:
            domain.txt info wanted
            Heathkit HD-4040 help
         Local packet QSOs / dual band rigs?
   Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!
           ROSES-1 - Open Systems Symposium
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 14 Sep 89 21:16:15 GMT
From: silver![e-mail]  (Keith E. Brandt)
Subject: domain.txt info wanted

What is the format for the domain.txt file used by the KA9Q NOS
program?

Thanks in advance,

Keith E. Brandt
WD9GET
===============================================================================
Keith E. Brandt, MD2B            ||  Goodbye, cruel world that was my home-
  Indiana University             ||     there's cleaner space out here to roam.
    School of Medicine           ||  Put my feet up on the moons of Mars-
[e-mail]  ||     sit back, relax, and count the stars.
===============================================================================

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Date: 14 Sep 89 16:06:30 GMT
From: hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!hprpcd![e-mail]
Subject: Heathkit HD-4040 help

Mat, here are the pinouts from my schematic

    Pin 1              N/C
    Pin 2              N/C
    Pin 3              Recieve audio in
    Pin 4              PTT
    Pin 5              Audio out to microphone
    Pin 6              GND
    Pin 7              GND
    Pin 8              GND
    Pin 9              GND


Hope this helps

Stan Witherspoon
N6SCE
stan@hprstw

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Date: 13 Sep 89 15:07:00 GMT
From: primerd!ENI!ENP![e-mail]
Subject: Local packet QSOs / dual band rigs?

 My packet operation is bothered by something I understand is common,
I run a dual band radio (IC-3200A) and have used anything from a TNC-1 to a
KAM quite sucessfully, but every time I try to connect with a person that
is local to me, that is one that doesn't need digipeating, I have fits
getting and keeping the connection. I believe that it is the radio's T-R
switching in that it doesn't get back into receive fast enough to hear
the return packet. It seems to me if this was a common problem everyone
would set their TXDELAY to something longer (at the risk of slightly more
channel usage) so people like me would have an easier time of it.

 As it is, to do a simple loop back test, I need to venture out 2 nodes to get
back...

 I've heard of this problem mostly using dual band radios, another being a
FT-727. Is this mostly a problem with dual band radios? Why don't people
tweek up their TXDELAY? Why don't TNC manufacturers make defaults a little
larger in the TXDELAY parameter?

 Has anyone else seen this or solved the problem by getting most people in
a given area up their TXDELAY?

   Tom Kinahan N1CPE
   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

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Date: 13 Sep 89 05:02:48 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!col![e-mail]  (Bdale Garbee)
Subject: Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!

>I would like to offer to distribute NET for the Macintosh & IBM pc for a
>DONATION of $15 to our local working group. I expect to have both the
>the old version and the new version of NET for the Amiga and if Rob wants
>to send me his Atari version I'll send him the current Mac distribution.

I didn't pay attention to the cost before.  I personally provide TAPR with
copies of the latest releases, and they make PC floppies available.  The
full four-disk set (two with executables, config files, and docs, two with
sources) is $8 last time I checked, they charge a flat $2/disk to mail things
out.  They also have a wide variety of other packet software available for
the PC under the same terms, contact the office for more information.  They
do not currently have the facilities to handle media other than 360k PC
floppies, so coordination of distribution for other platforms still makes
sense.

    TAPR
    PO Box 12925
    Tucson, AZ  85732
    [phone]

73 - Bdale

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Date: 14 Sep 89 21:54:23 GMT
From: att!cbnewsh![e-mail]  (j.gordon.beattie)
Subject: ROSES-1 - Open Systems Symposium

           The Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society

       The Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society (RATS) and the
       New Jersey Institute of Technology Amateur Radio Club (NJIT
       ARC) are co-sponsoring the first

        RATS Open System Environment Symposium (ROSES-1).

       ROSES-1 is a packet forum for new users, PBBS sysops and
       network gurus focused on OSI or Open Systems.

       There will be tech talks and roundtable discussions on many
       areas of packet operation as well as:

      + LICENSE EXAMS provided by the Bergen Amateur Radio
        Association from 8AM until 11AM.

      + Equipment and demonstrations will be conducted and
        literature will be available.

      + TNC tune-up clinic so bring your radio and TNC.

       The date is November 11th from 8AM until 6PM in the Hazell
       Center on the NJIT campus in Newark, NJ.  Admission and
       parking are free for all attending.

       Talk-in will be on 145.19 (-600).

       For testing information contact Pete Adely, K2MHP at 201-
       796-6622.

       For more information including speaker requests contact
       Gordon Beattie, N2DSY at 201-387-8896 or via packet
       n2dsy@kd6th.

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 89 15:00:44 MDT
From: [e-mail]
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #202
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PACKET-RADIO Digest         Mon, 18 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 202

Today's Topics:
                (none)
              any mailing list?
                  ARES/DATA
          Distribution + Hierarchical Routing Names
            domain.txt info wanted
         Local packet QSOs / dual band rigs?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 15 Sep 89 22:51:59 GMT
From: asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n390.z1.fidonet.org![e-mail]  (Walt Fair)
Subject: (none)

 * Originally to [e-mail]-computing-ce
 * Forwarded by Jim Grubs

In an article of <8 Sep 89 11:44:34 GMT>, [e-mail]-computing-
centre.ac.UK writes:

 ZA>..LOCAL BBS SYSOPS. YOU CAN IMAGINE THE TROUBLE THAT CAUSED WITH MAIL
 ZA>..FORWARDING
 ZA>..ETC. THE THEORY IS THAT SOMEONE HAS FOUND A WAY OF ALTERING
 ZA>..PARAMETERS OVER
 ZA>..THE AIR REMOTELY.   HAS ANY ONE ELSE EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THIS
 ZA>..????
 ZA>..
 ZA>..PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE AT G6CZV @ GB7NWP. (ax25)
 ZA>..                              or G1YYH @ GB7NWP

    I can tell you how to do it if the software isn't properly operating.
I've never seen it done on any active systems, but I found a way to do it on my
own software while it was under developement about a year ago. It's similar to
the old ancient "hackers" trick to get a phone modem off the line, thereby
crashing a BBS system. Most software won't allow that to happen, since it's
such an easy thing to code around. That's why most current systems use hardware
handshaking now-a-days. Does the software in question possible try to keep the
TNC in CONVERSE mode with software handshaking?

    Walt



--
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Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: 15 Sep 89 21:30:26 GMT
From: beowulf![e-mail]  (Shigeki Matsushima)
Subject: any mailing list?

    Hi, I'm JK1RJQ. I'll stay here in San Diego
until next June.  I want to know about any information
about packet activities in USA.  I've ever heard about
the mailing list concerning packet radio.  Does anyone
tell me how I can subscribe it?

    I and my friend developed the news distribution
program, called "terakoya", used with KA9Q package.
Perhaps someone read about it on "Gateway" published
maybe on June or July. I can answer any question about
that system as well as "oimo" mailer developed by us.

Shigeki Matsushima/JK1RJQ

------------------------------

Date: 18 Sep 1989 06:23-CDT
From: K I Sawyer AFB LMR Mgmnt <[e-mail]>
Subject: ARES/DATA

I saw a recent posting (don't remember if it was here or INFO-HAMS)
about a program called ARES/Data to track emergency services activities
and people.  The posting mentioned a Compuserve address where this
program was available.

Has anyone posted this software elsewhere, like Simtel20, or could
someone do so where it would be available to those of us who do
not have access to Compuserve?

In case this has already been done, could someone please E-mail me
 the address/filename?

Thank you very much.

73,
Michael

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outputs presented here, real, imagined, or implied, simply do not
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simple boredom.
*******************************************************************************


------------------------------

Date: 18 Sep 89 14:21:41 GMT
From: att!cbnewsh![e-mail]  (j.gordon.beattie)
Subject: Distribution + Hierarchical Routing Names

To: all\@allbbs $1609_N2DSY
Fr: J. Gordon Beattie, Jr. N2DSY
Sb: Distribution + Hierarchical Routing Names

I am collecting information for a Amateur Radio directory
service.  The items I am looking for are outlined below, but in
short, please send me the distribution group names and the
hierarchical routing names used in your area.

The results will be posted in all the usual places with the
intention that it will reduce conflicts and help the packet
community evaluate what enhancements are needed to handle future
growth.  It will also provide a few references for folks wishing
to add new names to the list.


I. DISTRIBUTION GROUP NAMES
   Please send in the distribution list names used  in your area
   to distribute bulletins, group messages etc.

Examples of these include:

            "all\@allbbs", "rats", "all\@nynet", etc.

This includes private lists such as "ratsmbr" (rats members).
In the case of distribution group names please include the
current distribution and if there are limitations on who may use
this list when addressing a message.

II. HIERARCHICAL ROUTING
    Please send in the hierarchical routing entries used in
    rfc822-like domain strings found in messages.  These usually
    include a "#" at some point in the string.


III.  WHAT TO SEND IN?

Please send the following information with the entry:

1. Entry

2. Region or group using the entry

3. Responsible individual/club/net
   (include contact information, if known)

3. Systems supporting it
   (if known)

4. An example of how this is used
   (Command lines, sample messages into and out of the
    system performing distribution would be helpful.)

5. The format of the BID associated with the distribution name.
   (e.g. is there a special character sequence used with the
    messages, or is the numeric sequential or a date, etc.)

6. Message type(s) used in conjunction with the group name,
   hierarchical routing designator, etc.
   (e.g. "traffic", "bulletin" "private", etc.)

7. Any notes which would improve understanding.

IV. WHERE TO SEND THE INFORMATION

Send your replies to any of the following:

n2dsy\@kd6th(packet)
n2dsy\@kd6th.nj.usa.hamradio.org.iso (iso/packet)
n2dsy\@hou2d!att.com (internet)
72417,652 (compuserve - use easylink)


If you have any questions or comments send them to me via any of
the email addresses listed above, or call me on the telephone.

Thanks + 73,

J. Gordon Beattie, Jr., N2DSY
201-615-4168(O)
201-387-8896(H)

------------------------------

Date: 18 Sep 89 08:43:43 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: domain.txt info wanted

>What is the format for the domain.txt file used by the KA9Q NOS
>program?

It's essentially identical to the standard format used in ARPA domain name
server database files. Entries are in the form

pc.ka9q.ampr.org.       IN      A       128.96.160.3

Note the trailing dot on the domain name.

If you have a path to a domain server (e.g., a UNIX system running BIND)
you can reference it in your autoexec.net:

domain addserver [server.ip.address]

Then any names you give that aren't already in domain.txt will be forwarded
automatically to the server, and the replies will be appended to the file
for future use. Aging of the entries is not currently supported, so you
should occasionally go in and clean it out with an editor.

Phil

------------------------------

Date: 18 Sep 89 08:39:55 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: Local packet QSOs / dual band rigs?

I also have the IC-3200A. The receiver recovery time with that radio
is overly long. The fix is simple: open up the rig and remove diode
D19 in the audio output stage. This diode biases the output stage off
during transmit, but it is unnecessary because there are other audio
gates ahead of this stage.

Phil

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 89 20:00:14 MDT
From: [e-mail]
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #203
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Thu, 21 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 203

Today's Topics:
                  ARES/DATA
          High-speed packet modems/backbone networks
               internet addresses/ham's
         KA9Q and serial rs232 lines (2 msgs)
             PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #202
              Packet Capability Overseas
            Using ARES-Data with a KAM TNC
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 19 Sep 89 22:16:30 GMT
From: vsi1!wyse![e-mail]  (Steve Wilson xttemp dept303)
Subject: ARES/DATA

In article <[E.ISI.EDU]18-Sep-89.06:23:48.SAC.LWRC-LMR> [e-mail] (K I Sawyer AFB LMR Mgmnt) writes:
>I saw a recent posting (don't remember if it was here or INFO-HAMS)
>about a program called ARES/Data to track emergency services activities
>and people.
> stuff deleted...
>
>73,
>Michael

Mike,

ARESdata was written by N6KL and WN6I for use here in the Santa Clara Valley.
It is essentially a free-form data base hooked up to a tnc.  I believe it
can handle upto 8 connects at a time and requires WA8DED software in your
TNC.  The program should run on any IBM compatible.  I'm pretty sure they
just did a new release of the program in the last couple months.  We use
it here in support of Red Cross operations, and or fire incidents where
we have to keep track of people's names, and their status.  For instance,
you might use it to construct a central data base of people who have
checked into different shelters in a disaster area.  I suspect I can
get you a copy of the latest and greatest if your interested. I'm not
sure if there are any copies on the available servers.  Let me know
if you want me to pursue this.

Steve Wilson KA6S
EC, City of Milpitas

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Date: 21 Sep 89 14:33:57 GMT
From: m2c!jjmhome![e-mail]  (D. Pascoe KM3T)
Subject: High-speed packet modems/backbone networks

I would like to get in touch with any and all hams working towards achieving
high-speed packet radio backbone network capabilities.  I would also like to
contact those developing or using commercial high-speed modems for packet.
Or, if you're not doing it but you know of those who are, please respond
directly to me via e-mail and I'll post a summary to the net.

Thanks es 73
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  KM3T/1    | UUCP: {harvard}!m2c!jjmhome!km3t
        | Packet Radio: km3t @ k1ugm.MA

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Date: 19 Sep 89 13:13:47 GMT
From: mailrus!sharkey!wyn386![e-mail]  (Daniel Wynalda)
Subject: internet addresses/ham's

In the KA9Q documentation there is given reference to getting an internet
node address in the 46.*.*.* range (a Class A domain reserved for Ham's
I hear??) Anyway, I have KA9Q running on two machines and would like to get
internet addresses for them if at all possible in this domain.

Could someone please mail me an email or US Snail address or even a phone
number of who I should reach to request such a set of numbers?   Actually
I'd probably like to get 3 of them so I can link 3 machines together under
my call here in the area.

            Daniel Wynalda

--
Daniel Wynalda          | Telephone: [phone] X22  Ham: N8KUD
Wynalda Litho Inc.      | Network: [e-mail] ..sharkey!wyn386!danielw
8221 Graphic Ind Pk.    | Diskclaimer:  If you find a disk with no label, it is
Rockford, MI  49341     | the one I lost.  I say what I say for me ONLY here.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 89 19:55 GMT
From: Bergmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

I am having trouble with the KA9Q TCP/IP package for the PC.
Everything seems to work fine on a seriel connect of two IBM's
(SLIP-protokoll) when the baudrate is lower than 4800.  On higher
rates, machines get stuck.  I have tried both, the build in and the
packet driver, none had worked.

Possible errors:

   Modem control on the cable doesnt function (can somebody please
   tell me, how the correct ibm to ibm seriel cable has to look like !!!???)

   something in the network protokoll parameters isnt tuned right for
   the seriel transmission.

I have tried Ethernet (WD8003e) and it works fine !!!!!


If somebody out there in netland is using the KA9Q-Package, please
write me, I think it would save a lot of time and trouble.

H.-J.

================================================================
Hans-Juergen Bergmann
Uni Mainz - Psychology Department
Psychophysiology and Human Factors Group

POB 3980                        Tel   : [phone]
D-6500 Mainz 1                  e-mail: [e-mail]
================================================================

------------------------------

Date: 21 Sep 89 21:54:08 GMT
From: jupiter![e-mail]  (Phil R. Karn)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bergmann) writes:
>I am having trouble with the KA9Q TCP/IP package for the PC.
>Everything seems to work fine on a seriel connect of two IBM's
>(SLIP-protokoll) when the baudrate is lower than 4800.  On higher
>rates, machines get stuck.  I have tried both, the build in and the
>packet driver, none had worked.

If the ONLY difference between a working configuration and a non-working
one is the data rate on the serial link, then the problem is almost
certainly due to characters being lost by the serial controller chips. I
recommend that you try replacing the 8250 or 16450 chips with National
NS16550 chips, which have 16-level FIFOs built into the receiver and
transmitter.

These chips function just like 8250s unless they are explicitly put into
FIFO mode by software. Therefore you need to run a fairly recent "NOS"
version and use the built-in asy driver in order to take advantage of
the FIFO feature. ("Recent" means "within the past few months".) You can
verify that you have the right version when you issue the "asystat"
command because it will mention that a 16550 chip has been detected.

Phil

------------------------------

Date: 20 Sep 89 22:07:00 EDT
From: "SWEIGERT, DAVID" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #202

Does anyone on the net know of any military applications
using packet radio technology, especially in an internet
type configuration ?

WB9VKO



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Date: 21 Sep 89 15:58:27 GMT
From: asuvax!mcdphx!hrc!lung![e-mail]  (Mark Gustoff)
Subject: Packet Capability Overseas

I am new to packet radio, and thus have many questions which don't
all seem to be answered by the books I've read so far.

One big interest of mine is the ability to send a friend of mine
text every 3 days or so. This friend of mine happens to be on a
freighter in the Pacific. What are my options in reaching him, if
I am only equipped with a 2M rig and TNC from location here in Arizona.

My friend on the ship is equipped with HF and TNC. Is it possible for
us to keep in touch if I don't have the capability right now for hf?

If there is a way to contact him and stay in touch, would someone detail
to me what steps are needed to be successful in this endeavor.

Are there existing gateways via satellite?

I'm still not active on the air, just because I wish to become more
knowledgeable before jumping in there. I would appreciate any and all
direction by readers of this note.

Tnx & 73 ----WO7T-----Mark


--
Mark Gustoff - WO7T
P.O. Box 42742
Phoenix, AZ 85080

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 89 21:57 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Using ARES-Data with a KAM TNC

Can any Help ... ???
I have a need to run ARES data ... and of course I bought the wrong TNC.
The ARES-Data program came in a week after the TNC arrived. There was a
note from Weo NN6I who stated that the ARES-Data will not run on my new
KAM TNC because there is no 'HOST' mode.

Does anyone know of a work-a-round .. ?? If not is anybody interested in
a bran new KAM TNC that is cabled for KENWOOD ..??

Thanks in advance ...

Fred J. Stellabotte - N2JCD
Computer Systems Manager Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 89 00:16:36 MDT
From: [e-mail]
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #204
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Tue, 26 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 204

Today's Topics:
                  ARES/Data
           How to log into Marvin callsign server?
      KA9Q 890421.1 XOBBS problem on Microport SysV/286
         KA9Q and serial rs232 lines (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 22 Sep 89 09:59:01 PDT
From: "David W Palmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ARES/Data

Thanks, Steve, for posting the reply about ARES/Data!
You're fast!  Steve's correct: ARES/Data is a computer program
designed to help collect and manage disaster information.
It's has three primary features:

1. It's a database.
2. It's accessible via packet radio from stations in the field.
3. It includes an integrated "conference bridge".

(Small detail is that the new version supports up to 4 TNCs,
each of which may have up to 8 or 32 connects).
For lots more detail, see the posting here on PACKET-RADIO on
1 Sept 89 (Digest V89 #193) which was a copy of ARRL's
GATEWAY Newsletter dated 25 Aug 89 (Gateway Vol 5, No. 24).
Also coming soon to the Proceedings of the 8th ARRL Computer
Networking Conference, and an upcoming W5YI Report.

I'm not familiar with how to upload the program to SIMTEL20,
but if anyone would like to do that, and the kind folks at SIMTEL20
agree, then please do!  Also feel free to place the
program on other file servers or BBS-s.

(For Fred, N2JCD: Sorry about the lack of KAM support.  It'd be
nice if WA8DED host mode were available for all TNCs.  It makes
writing robust AX-25 packet applications much easier!)

We hope you never REALLY need this program.
We hope you have it on hand just in case!

Very 73,   Dave Palmer, N6KL    '[e-mail]'
       Weo Moerner, WN6I


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Date: 24 Sep 89 17:54:03 GMT
From: m2c!jjmhome![e-mail]  (D. Pascoe KM3T)
Subject: How to log into Marvin callsign server?

I have been able to Telnet to marvin.cs.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.4) socket 2000 but don't know how to log in.  I have tried all of the common methods (e.g., anonmyous, guest, callsign, etc.) to no avail.  Perhaps I am not actually
getting to socket 2000 (?).

In any case, I get a Unix login prompt (login:), which may mean that I am connecting to marvin.cs.buffalo.edu BUT NOT THE CALLSIGN SERVER.  Does the callsign server respond to remote logins with a custom prompt?

Any help would be appreciated.


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        | Internet: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
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        | Packet Radio: km3t @ k1ugm.MA

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Date: 25 Sep 89 05:03:31 GMT
From: nuchat!splut![e-mail]  (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard)
Subject: KA9Q 890421.1 XOBBS problem on Microport SysV/286

I've laid hands on the 890421.1 source code, and have gotten it compiled
on my system, which runs Microport System V/AT (286 version) 2.4 with
DOSMerge.  When I fire it up, though, it complains:
msgget smsgqid:: No such file or directory
This is being issued from axinit(), and is the first msgget call issued.
XOBBS is defined in the makefile.  The error, according to TFM, is that
IPC_CREAT isn't being specified on a message queue create call - but a
cursory examination of the code shows that it is, indeed.  Has anyone
run into this one before?

Please E-mail me; my inbound newsfeed is out for longer than was
expected, and I may or may not see a posted reply before next year.

--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL   | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[e-mail]       (eieio)| adequately be explained by stupidity.
{attctc,bellcore}!texbell!splut!jay +----------------------------------------
           America works less when you say..."Union Yes!"

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Date: 23 Sep 89 20:36:34 GMT
From: ubc-cs!van-bc![e-mail]  (Samuel Lam)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
 (Phil R. Karn) wrote:
>I recommend that you try replacing the 8250 or 16450 chips with National
>NS16550 chips, which have 16-level FIFOs built into the receiver and
>transmitter.
>
>These chips function just like 8250s unless they are explicitly put into
>FIFO mode by software.

Do you mean I can physically replace the 8250 on my serial board with
a 16550?  Wouldn't there be some trouble with the difference between
edge and level triggered interrupts?

Has anyone actually tried this, and how did the 16550 perform compared
to the 8250?

I am interested in this because we use KA9Q as an SLIP-Ethernet IP router
here and it runs wonderfully at 2400 but not at all at 9600, and we would
like to run it at the higher speed.

Thank you very much for your time.

...Sam
--
Samuel Lam     <[e-mail]> or {uunet,ubc-cs}!wimsey.bc.ca!skl

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Date: 24 Sep 89 02:23:11 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Samuel Lam) writes:
>Do you mean I can physically replace the 8250 on my serial board with
>a 16550?  Wouldn't there be some trouble with the difference between
>edge and level triggered interrupts?

Yes, I've done this in my two PCs (one AT and one XT). They work just fine
with amateur packet radio TNCs, but I haven't actually tried it yet in
gateway mode with real SLIP. I set up the receive FIFO in the 16550 to
interrupt at the 1/4 full point, so at 9600 bps the code has an extra 12 ms
to respond to the interrupt. This is a big improvement.

Phil

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 89 15:56:18 MDT
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #205
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Thu, 28 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 205

Today's Topics:
               Call sign server
                Heath 4040 TNC
         KA9Q and serial rs232 lines (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 26 Sep 89 22:26:00 EDT
From: "SWEIGERT, DAVID" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Call sign server

Call sign server...

What works for me...

Telnet  128.205.32.4  2000

<prompt: connected>

WB9CALLSIGN  <c/r>

<display of call sign, name, etc..>


  You do not "log-in" you simply enter call sign once connected...


WB9VKO

cheers..



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Date: 27 Sep 89 13:43:39 GMT
From: rochester!kodak!eastman!kodak.com![e-mail]  (Paul Gerwitz)
Subject: Heath 4040 TNC

I am posting this for a friend who has no net access.  He has a Heath model
4040 TNC and would like to try running KISS protocol on it.  We think that
it is a TNC-2 compatable machine but are not sure.  Anyone have any
suggestions ??

         Paul   WA2WPI
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 | Paul F Gerwitz       | SMTP: [e-mail]                             |
 | Eastman Kodak Co     | UUCP: ..rutgers!rochester!kodak!eastman!gerwitz     |
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Date: 25 Sep 89 13:48:26 GMT
From: asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n390.z1.fidonet.org![e-mail]  (Walt Fair)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

In an article of <23 Sep 89 20:36:34 GMT>, [e-mail] (Samuel Lam) writes:

 SL>..Do you mean I can physically replace the 8250 on my serial board with
 SL>..a 16550?  Wouldn't there be some trouble with the difference between
 SL>..edge and level triggered interrupts?
 SL>..
 SL>..Has anyone actually tried this, and how did the 16550 perform
 SL>..compared
 SL>..to the 8250?

    Yes, it is very common practice on Fidonet systems running
with a 19200 baud interface with the USR HST modems. Without the 16550
chips, some computers have trouble keeping up with the interrupt rate,
resulting in lost characters, etc.

    The procedure to change over is simple. Just get a 16550, pull
the old chip out and plug the new chip in. Then obtain the software
drivers, etc. that will access the special features of the chip.

    I did that here on my landline BBS about 6 months ago or so
and have had no problems. It enables my XT to keep up with the HST
modem with the serial port locked at 19200 baud and saves
significantly on the phone bill. Many other Fidonet mail hubs have
done the same thing.

    Walt
--
Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!stjhmc!390!1!Walt.Fair
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: 27 Sep 89 00:08:56 GMT
From: ndcheg!ndmath!nstar![e-mail]  (Larry Snyder)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

> Do you mean I can physically replace the 8250 on my serial board with
> a 16550?  Wouldn't there be some trouble with the difference between
> edge and level triggered interrupts?

The 16550A is a direct replacement for the 8250 and 16450.

> Has anyone actually tried this, and how did the 16550 perform compared
> to the 8250?

The 16550A chips are worth the cost of the chip in high speed applications
(greater than 9600 baud).  My machines' throughput on the serial lines
increased by 40% after replacing the 16450 chips with 16550A's.

--
Larry Snyder                               uucp:iuvax!ndcheg!ndmath!nstar!larry
The Northern Star Usenet Distribution Site                   Notre Dame, IN USA


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Today's Topics:
              Gateway 25-Aug-89
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Date: 1 Sep 89 16:17:59 GMT
From: n8emr![e-mail]  (Gary Sanders)
Subject: Gateway 25-Aug-89

==============================================================
|               Relayed from packet radio via                |
| N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-457-4227 (1200/2400/19.2 telebit,8N1) |
==============================================================

Gateway: The ARRL Packet Radio Newsletter - Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, Editor

        Volume 5, Number 24 - August 25, 1989 - Part 1 of 3

RUDAK-2 TO FLY NEXT YEAR

During a meeting between AMSAT-DL officials and a representative of ORBITA,
the Soviet Amateur Radio Satellite Organization, at the RSGB/AMSAT-UK
DATASPACE '89 (the combined space and digital communications symposium held
July 27-31 at the University of Surrey), a tentative agreement was reached
to fly a RUDAK transponder aboard RS-14. RUDAK is a German acronym that
stands for Regenerating Transponder for Digital Amateur Communications.
Many will remember that the RUDAK experiment, which flew on AO-13, failed
to realize its full potential because a temperature-sensitive PROM would
not allow the RUDAK computer to "boot-up" properly.  Despite many intensive
efforts to work around this problem, it was not possible to solve it.  But
characteristic of the indomitable spirit of the RUDAK group within the
AMSAT-DL organization, there will soon be a new and improved version of
this digital experiment to be known as RUDAK-2, which will be part of the
RS-14, a new Mode B satellite.  RS-14 will be flying aboard the Soviet's
geological survey satellite known as GEOS, (not to be confused with the
United States weather satellites known as GOES) in the now-familiar
"piggyback" configuration first seen with RS- 10/11.

There are several important differences between RUDAK-2 and its predecessor
on AO-13.  The biggest difference is that the AX.25 amateur packet-radio
protocol will be incorporated into the software, which means that
digipeating will be possible.  Also, a limited mailbox capability will be
prese.  Using the Manchester encoding technique and binary PSK
modulation, the RUDAK-2 transponder mode will operate in Mode B.  It will
have two separate receive channels for different signaling rates: Channel
#1 for 1200 baud at 435.100 MHz and Channel #2 for 4800 bauds at 435.150
MHz.  The downlink frequency on 2 meters will be 145.990 MHz.  The nominal
RF output of the 2-meter downlink transmitter will be 2 watts, however, it
can be commanded by a ground station to a higher RF output of 12 watts.

The delivery of the RUDAK-2 transponder is scheduled to occur on December
15, so it can be integrated into RS-14 for a mid-1990 launch.

from AMSAT News Service

            HF PACKET-RADIO INITIATIVE

"The Great 1989 HF Packet Design Quest" article in May QST announced a new
initiative to stimulate amateur development of more effective HF
packet-radio transmission systems.  (If you are interested and haven't seen
the article, get hold of May QST.)

ARRL headquarters has completed several bibliographies of works on channel
characteristics, modems, protocols and digital signal-processing.
Bibliographies have been mailed to people who have expressed an interest
and will be asking prospective participants for resumes and some
information on what they would like to contribute to the project.

There will be an opportunity for reimbursement for certain out-of-pocket
expenses for participants ultimately chosen by the ARRL Digital Committee.

If you would like to be added to the mailing list, write or call Lori
Weinberg at ARRL HQ.

          NOVICE NOTCH - OPINION: A PACKET-RADIO DISGRACE

In many areas, Novice packet-radio growth has been slow to nonexistent.
The reason is the lack of support from some of the packet-radio community.
VHF packet radio is very limited for Novices, especially when local
packeteers decide to operate outside the Novice subbands on 220 MHz.  We
should be encouraging new hams in this mode, not excluding them.  Many
Novices buy TNCs only to find the action is just beyond their reach.  Lets
get together to welcome these newcomers to our mode and make packet radio
easily accessible for them.  If you operate outside the Novice frequencies
on 220 MHz, consider this: The more people that actively use the band, the
harder it will be to take the rest of it away.

from Lou Scalpati, N2JLS

      APLINK USED FOR ARMENIAN EARTHQUAKE HEALTH AND WELFARE

The cover story of the August 6 Cleveland Plain Dealer Sunday magazine
section described the efforts of Ohio amateurs to get health and welfee
traffic in and out of earthquake-striken Armenia in December 1988.  The
main thrust of the effort was to transfer lists of names from concerned
relatives in the United States to Armenia to learn of their welfare.  This
involved the use of packet radio and AMTOR between the US and Great
Britain, which was the relay point between the US and Armenia.  Traffic to
the relay station operated by G4SCA, was sent using packet radio and
traffic back to the States was sent using AMTOR.  To accomplish this
mixed-mode transfer, Vic Poor's, W5SMM, APLink software was used.

from David Speltz, KB1PJ

Gateway: The ARRL Packet Radio Newsletter - Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, Editor

        Volume 5, Number 24 - August 25, 1989 - Part 2 of 3

              NETWORKING CONFERENCE REMINDER

Those of you who are planning to attend the 8th ARRL Computer Networking
Conference in Colorado Springs, October 7-8, are reminded that the deadline
for registration is October 2.  For further information send SASE with your
name, call sign, address and telephone number to:

     Andy Freeborn, N0CCZ
     5222 Borrego Dr
     Colorado Springs, CO 80918
     Telephone [phone]

            ARES/DATA VERSION 1.0 NOW AVAILABLE

ARES/Data, the long-awaited enhanced version of ARES/Data, is now
available.  ARES/Data is a multiconnect, multiport generalized database
accessible via packet radio that also includes a full-featured conference
bridge.  The program is intended for use in a wide variety of emergency and
public service Amateur Radio situations.  (For a paper on Version 0.1 of
the software, see the Proceedings of the 7th ARRL Computer Networking
Conference.)

New features added to Version 1.0 (beyond 0.1) include:

o multiple ports (up to four with 8 to 32 simultaneous connects each),

o support for DRSI PC*PA packet-radio adapters,

o enhanced configuration file-processing with start-up files for each TNC,

o update of selected field in a record,

o import/export facility,

o list range instead of list all,

o beacon facility,

o download file facility from a public directory,

o labels command, including a label for the message field,

o separate paths for database, index files, public directory,

o many enhancements for the SYSOP screen, and

o improved error-handling of disk full and disk errors.

The key idea behind ARES/Data is that it allows you to track any type of
information as needed that can be organized as four 20-character fields
plus an 80-character message for each record.

Possible uses:

o track victims of a multiple casualty incident sent to hospitals,

o track ham manpower availability/assignments,

o record evacuees and shelter enrollment,

o track floats in a parade,

o short-message database:  Field1=To, Field2=From, Msg=80-character
  message,

o house-by-house damage assessment, and

o DX-spotting.

ARES/Data was written by Weo Moerner, WN6I, and Dave Palmer, N6KL, with
the ideas and support of a committee of hams from the Santa Clara County
Amateur Radio Emergency Service.  It is a copyrighted, public domain
program, available without charge to anyone interested.  The program was
written on the authors' own time and equipment and the authors have their
employers' permission to contribute the program to the public domain.

ARES/Data runs on an IBM PC of most any type (or equivalent) using DOS 3.2
or later with at least 400 kbytes of memory.  To use the program via packet
radio, the SYSOP needs at least a DRSI PC*PA packet-radio adapter or a
serial port and a TNC with the Ron Raikes, WA8DED, firmware installed, such
as a TNC 2, TNC 1, AEA PK-87 or AEA PK-88.  The user's TNCs may be of any
type.

ARES/Data may be downloaded from CompuServe's HamNet or you may obtain the
program by sending a blank disk (5-1/4-inch 360-kbyte or 3-1/2-inch
720-kbyte) to:

     Weo Moerner
     1003 Belder Dr
     San Jose, CA 95120

Please feel free to distribute the program by whatever means you like.  We
hope ARES/Data will prove useful to other Amateur Radio groups as they help
fulfill the emergency communications needs of their communities.  We invite
your comments and questions!

from Dave Palmer, N6KL @ KB6OWT and Weo Moerner, WN6I @ KB6OWT

        NEW W0RLI MAILBOX AND MSYS PBBS VERSIONS AVAILABLE

Version 10.12 of the W0RLI Mailbox software is now available as is Version
1.5 of the WA8BXN MSYS PBBS software.  To obtain a copy of MSYS, Canadians
may send one 5-1/4-inch, 360-kbyte disk and a self-addressed,
postage-paid, disk mailer to:

     J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR
     108 Montcalm St
     Goderich, ON N7A 1W1

The W0RLI and/or the MSYS software may also be downloaded from CompuServe's
HamNet and VE3GYQ's landline BBS at 519-660-1442 using 2400/1200/300 bauds
with 8 character bits, no parity and 1 stop bit.

from J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR

Gateway: The ARRL Packet Radio Newsletter - Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, Editor

        Volume 5, Number 24 - August 25, 1989 - Part 3 of 3

            NORTHEAST TCP/IP MEETING SCHEDULED

The second meeting of the northeast region amateur packet-radio TCP/IPers
is scheduled for Saturday, September 23 at ARRL Headquarters in Newington,
Connecticut.  All those interested in TCP/IP via amateur packet radio are
welcome to attend.

A proposed agenda follows.  Anyone with additions or changes, please send a
message to [e-mail] or to KE3Z @ W1AW.  If you will need any
audiovisual equipment, please let KE3Z know no later than September 18.

Tentative Agenda:

1. Opening remarks and Introductions by KE3Z.

2. Network status reports and current plans for Connecticut, Long Island,
   Massachusetts, Maine, Rhode Island and New York.

3. Network round table: how to improve the network throughput.

4. The New England TCPer newsletter status report by Rich Vitello, WA1EQU.

5. Open forum.

6. Summary and list of action items.

from Jon Bloom, KE3Z

              GATEWAY ACCESSIBLE VIA INTERNET

Internet may now be used to submit stories for publication in Gateway or to
send electronic mail to your Gateway editor.  The only limitations are that
the files must be in ASCII format and must not exceed 50,000 characters in
length.  The address for sending Internet electronic mail to Gateway is:

     [e-mail]

Internet access to Gateway is being accomplished via a gateway between
CompuServe and Internet.  Any CompuServe user is accessible via this
gateway.  To address electronic mail to a CompuServe user via Internet,
replace the comma (,) in the CompuServe user ID with a period (.) and
append @compuserve.com to the modified user ID.  (My CompuServe user ID of
70645,247 becomes [e-mail] after it is modified for
Internet.)

The Internet-CompuServe gateway also permits CompuServe users to send
electronic mail to Internet users via CompuServe's EasyPlex.  To address
electronic mail to an Internet user via CompuServe, you simply prefix the
user's Internet identification with >INTERNET: (for example, Internet
identification yaz@leftfield becomes >INTERNET:  yaz@leftfield after it is
modified for CompuServe's EasyPlex.) There is no extra fee charged by
CompuServe for use of this gateway.

Besides Internet, electronic submissions and mail for Gateway may be made
directly via CompuServe to user ID 70645,247 or via telephone (your editor
can be reached on evenings and weekends at 203-879-1348 and he can switch a
modem on line to receive text at 300, 1200 or 2400 bit/s).

Submissions via he US mail should be sent to 75 Kreger Dr, Wolcott, CT
06716-2702.  Also, personal messages may be sent to your Gateway editor via
packet radio to: WA1LOU @ W1AW.

Thanks to Bruce Hale, KB1MW and David Dodell, WB7TPY for some of this
information.

               AMSAT CALL FOR PAPERS

AMSAT NA is soliciting papers for presentation at and/or publication in the
proceedings of its 1989 Space Symposium.  Areas of interest include
research, development, engineering, funding, construction, management and
operatin of OSCAR (Orbiting Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio)
communications and scientific spacecraft and associated communications
networks.

Papers should be submitted for consideration by October 2.  Include
audiovisual support requirements (overhead, slides, video projection, etc)
and a biography to be used in the proceedings.

Papers must be submitted in camera-ready form (8-1/2 x 11 inches), via
MS-DOS compatible disk or via electronic mail formatted for printing.
Papers containing graphics or pictures must be submitted in camera- ready
form.  Authors will be responsible for duplication and distribution of
papers not submitted by October 2.

Submissions or questions should be submitted to:

     Ralph Wallio, W0RPK
     1250 Highway G24
     Indianola, IA 50125

Send an SASE to W0RPK for a registration information package.

from The ARRL Letter

--
Gary W. Sanders (gws@n8emr or ...!osu-cis!n8emr!gws), 72277,1325
N8EMR @ W8CQK (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]
HAM/SWL/SCANNER BBS (1200/2400/PEP) 614-457-4227

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PACKET-RADIO Digest         Sat,  2 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 194

Today's Topics:
                  DIGICOM>64
              Multi Mode TNC Controllers
         nos.exe file formats? nos erases domain.txt
          Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5 (3 msgs)
           Where can i find PE1CHL's version of NET
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 30 Aug 89 09:08:27 PDT (Wednesday)
From: "Paul_Adler.NEROSM"@Xerox.COM
Subject: DIGICOM>64

Can you please share your experience with the DIGICOM>64 packet system.  I
would like to buy this unit and use it on the HF bands.
73  Paul  KW1L
203-325-6119 (work)

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 89 10:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Multi Mode TNC Controllers

Can Anyone Help:
I am new to digital communications ... and Packett radio. I would like to
buy a Multi Mode TNC that will do Packett, AMTOR, RTTY, CW, and WX Fax.
After looking around I can see that their are 3 Boxes that will fit my
bill. That is the AEA PK-232, the Klantronics KAM, and an offering by
MFJ. Can anyone comment on any of these TNC's. Which has the most friendly
software ?  Which has the most features ? How important is the "DUAL-PORT"
feature in the KAM box. I will be using this TNC with a Kenwood TS-440s and
a Kenwood TM-221a 2-meter mobile rig in the shack ... are any of these
boxes better suited for the Kenwood line ? I also will be using a AT-Clone
with a 30meg hard drive.

Also, can anyone suggest a good book to help me with Packett and digital
communications.

If you will respond to me directly I will summerize and post.
Thanks in advance.

Fred J. Stellabotte - Computer Systems Manager
Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
[e-mail]

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Date: 25 Aug 89 17:36:43 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: nos.exe file formats? nos erases domain.txt

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell 1-519-661-3714) writes:
>I have the Aug 89 release of NOS and I have a few questions.
>
>I have created \DOMAIN.TXT but nos always erases it when I exit the program.
>Is nos suppose to create the file itself?  How do I enter ip addresses for
>people that I already know if I don't use domain.txt.

No, nos never erases /domain.txt. Check to make sure your MS-DOS "FILES"
parameter in config.sys is sufficiently large.

>Has ftpusers changed its format?
>
>ve3pzr password \ 7      no longer works when I connect to myself.
>I can login but get permission denied on every command.

Yes. The backslashes should be changed to forward slashes; I wanted to
standardize the format across all ports of the code.

>Is there a manual that describes nos?  I have the older net.exe manual from
>May 89.

Not yet. One of these days...

Phil

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Date: 29 Aug 89 18:13:41 GMT
From: iris![e-mail]  (Gary Ford)
Subject: Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5

I have built KA9Q net 890421.1 on a Sys5 machine (HP Integral) and it
is generally working fine, except that it only looks for its files
(startup.net, ftpusers, etc.) in the current directory.  This creates
problems when I cd to a different directory while net is running.

At first glance, the code in the routine fileinit() in sys5unix.c
looks fine, in which the directory names in the environment variables
NETHOME and HOME are to be used if they aren't null, otherwise use the
current directory.  However, NETHOME and HOME are defined in the
environment, but they aren't used.

Before I search further, could someone tell me if this is a known
problem and if it has been solved?

    Thanks, Gary, N6GF

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Date: 31 Aug 89 19:30:33 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!col![e-mail]  (Bdale Garbee)
Subject: Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5

Known problem, will be fixed in 890421.2, sometime real soon.  Meanwhile, the
contact for Unix NET is Bob Hoffman, N3CVL, [e-mail] I think.

Bdale

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Date: 2 Sep 89 22:28:33 GMT
From: mailrus!wuarchive!texbell!nuchat!splut![e-mail]  (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard)
Subject: Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bdale Garbee) writes:
>Known problem, will be fixed in 890421.2, sometime real soon.  Meanwhile, the
>contact for Unix NET is Bob Hoffman, N3CVL, [e-mail] I think.

Great...

On another related topic, does 890421.x include a real telnet server for
those of us who can provide such service? (Read: Unix with ptys. I've
submitted a pty driver for System V/AT to comp.sources.misc for this
purpose.) I'd hate to reinvent the wheel...

--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL   | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[e-mail]       (eieio)| adequately be explained by stupidity.
{attctc,bellcore}!texbell!splut!jay +----------------------------------------
"Rabid rerouters *love* to route mail to [e-mail]" - Brandon Allbery

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Date: 28 Aug 89 19:10:43 GMT
From: gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!ginosko!aplcen!wb3ffv!gvdgpc![e-mail]  (Gerard J van der Grinten (PA0GRI))
Subject: Where can i find PE1CHL's version of NET

Hello NETters,
In response of the many requests for Rob - PE1CLH's version of net
Here It Is...
Where???? well I planted the bits on flash.bellcore.com for ftp access
in /pub/chlnet and for uucp acces/ bbs access the files are on
wb3ffv / gvdgpc in a directory CHLNET.

I am playing with an archive-request server BUT don't wat to take the
(enourmous) cost of the phone bill to send out the Mb's of files to each
one.. If you want them , pick them up (at your expences!!!!).

Here is the REAME file from Rob.

This set of files is the latest (14 August 1989) release of my NET version.
It contains all the features previously described on tcp-group, and is
available in PC and Atari ST versions.

Files:

890814m.arc     executable compiled using MSC 5.1.  Supports COM ports via
        MBBIOS or FOSSIL, and has the SCC driver. (Z8530)

890814l.arc     Same, but compiled in LARGE model.  This removes the 31K limit
        on heap space, but it makes the program larger.

890814az.arc    executable compiled using Aztec C 4.10d.  Contains drivers
        for 3c500 and packet, in addition to COM and SCC.

890814st.arc    executable for Atari ST, compiled using Mark Williams C.

net_doc.arc     a collection of documents, partly in Atari "first word" format
        (but plain text version of these is also included).
        It is not much, not really up-to-date, but at least read it
        before you complain about this.

netcom.arc      a utility needed when using the TNC2 emulator under DoubleDOS


73 de
Rob PE1CHL
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

Rob Janssen
Prof. L. Fuchslaan 8
3571 HC Utrecht
Netherlands

Regards, gerard.

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PACKET-RADIO Digest         Tue,  5 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 195

Today's Topics:
        Help...how do i address a packet to Hong Kong
          how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)
             USENET ON HAM RADIO
            UUCP -> Packet Gateway Script
           UUCP - Packet Gateway ? (2 msgs)
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Date: 5 Sep 89 04:38:05 GMT
From: att!cbnewsk![e-mail]  (steven.m.wheatley)
Subject: Help...how do i address a packet to Hong Kong

I would like to send a packet message to several friends in hong
kong, via the VS6UF-1 system.  How do I go about doing this, given
the new packet address format.  I haven't been on packet for some
time, and things seem to have changed CONSIDERABLY!

thanks in advance,
KU9C, steve wheatley
--
Steven Wheatley    AT&T Consumer Products    [phone]

....!att!inuxz!wheatley

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Date: 5 Sep 89 18:25:43 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca![e-mail]  (Jeff C. Glover)
Subject: how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)

I have scanners (both a PRO-32 and a PRO-2004) and computers, and would
like to monitor packet-radio transmissions.  I'd like it to interface
via RS232.  Would someone describe an inexpensive device (decoder, I
presume) that I could use with my equipment to monitor packet radio?

I don't have a pee-cee, so anything that depends heavily on MSDOS software
is out of the question.

Jeff
[e-mail]

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Date: 5 Sep 89 03:07:37 GMT
From: att!chinet![e-mail]  (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: USENET ON HAM RADIO

packet/e8

         USENET ON HAM RADIO



I am toying with the idea of making several newsgroups
available to hams who do not have access to public access
unix systems.   This would be as an adjunct to the Amateur
Radio Forum.

I presume this has all been done before and would like to
get in touch with someone who can save me the leg work.

I also presume that packet would be the way to go but am
open to other ideas.  The key must be minimum investment by
participants.

The Amateur Radio Forum     [e-mail]




------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 89 18:22:46 GMT
From: sun-barr!newstop!texsun!texbell!ark!lrark!argate![e-mail]  (Unet PBBS Administrator)
Subject: UUCP -> Packet Gateway Script

Thought someone might be interested in trying this.  I will also be
writing a routine to read uNET mail format for messages that
you receive.  For my log, anyone wanting to use the gateway
please send me your full address and what class license you are.

Below is a routine that will allow access the packet network via
WD5B Gateway.  It is a kludge, but am interested in seeing how
the system will work.  Sorry, do not have a program to create a
shar file.  Cut along lines with appropriate file names.  Any
questions to Richard Duncan WD5B @ WD5B.

No flames, RTFM's, dummies or other self-defeating comments.  This
is one of my first shell scripts, any corrections or help would
be appreciated.
---------------------Filename:  um------------------------------
#
#umailer v1.0
#Script for mailing to uNET Packet Systems
#Richard Duncan WD5B @ WD5B
#
#                       ***Define your information here***
mycall=WD5B             # Your call
myzip=72209             # Your ZIP
myuucp=argate!richard   # Your uucp address - keep SHORT
#                       **********************************
clear
echo "Message type: _\b\c"
read inputline
mailtype=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
echo "To: ______\b\b\b\b\b\b\c"
read inputline
mailto=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
echo "At bbs: ______\b\b\b\b\b\b\c"
read inputline
mailbbs=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
echo "Mail to: \c"
read inputline
uucpmailto=`cat address/$inputline`
if test -z $uucpmailto
then
    echo "Unable to locate "$mailbbs
    exit
fi
while true
do
    echo "Type (u)ucp or (m)ail [_]\b\b\c"
    read inputline
    umailtype=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
    if [ $umailtype != M ]
    then if [ $umailtype = U ]
        then break
        fi
    else
        break;
    fi
done
echo "Subj:______________________________________________________________________"
read mailsubj
mailtemp=/tmp/$mycall"_xxx"
if [ ! -r umailer.nbr ]
then
    echo "Message number: _\b\c"
    read mailnbr
else
    mailnbr=`cat umailer.nbr`
fi
mailnbr=`expr $mailnbr + 1`
echo $mailnbr > umailer.nbr
#
#                   Specify favorite text editor here
#
vi $mailtemp
#
#         * * *
#
if [ ! -r $mailtemp ]
then
    echo " " > $mailtemp
fi
clear
echo "------------------------------------------------------------------------------"
echo "Message #"$mailnbr$mailtype
echo "To: "$mailto"@"$mailbbs
echo "From: "$mycall
echo "Subj: "$mailsubj
echo "uucp mail to: "$uucpmailto
echo "------------------------------------------------------------------------------"
head -15 $mailtemp
echo ".............................................................................."
echo "\t\t\tSend (y/n) [ ]\b\b\c"
read inputline
choice=`echo $inputline | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
if [ $choice = N ]
then
    echo "Removing message."
    rm $mailtemp
    mailnbr=`expr $mailnbr - 1`
    echo $mailnbr > umailer.nbr
else
    uumailtemp=$mycall"_u"$mailnbr
    echo "S"$mailtype" "$mailto" @ "$mailbbs" < "$mycall" $"$mycall"_"$mailnbr > $uumailtemp
    echo $mailsubj >> $uumailtemp
    maildate=`date '+%y%m%d/%H%M '`
    echo "R:"$maildate" "$mailnbr"@"$mycall"  ["$myuucp"] #:"$myzip >> $uumailtemp
    cat $mailtemp >> $uumailtemp
    echo "/EX" >> $uumailtemp
    rm $mailtemp
fi
if [ $umailtype = M ]
then
    echo "Mailing "$uumailtemp" to "$uucpmailto
    mail -s "uNET MAIL" $uucpmailto < $uumailtemp
fi
if [ $umailtype = U ]
then
    echo "Sending uucp "$uumailtemp" to "$uucpmailto
    uucp uucpmailtemp uucpmailto
fi
echo "Have a nice day, Rich"
exit
--------------------------------cut-----------------------------------
Documentation (as much as there is!):

                                 UM
    A mailer script for uNET uucp -> packet Gateway

UM is a short script to allow individual users access to amateur radio
packet via uucp mail.  The mail should be addressed to argate!unetadm.
The system is self prompting.  Edit the file to put your personal information
like callsign, zip local system!username and on down in the routine your
favorite text editor (vi is default).

1.  Create directory mailer in your area and a subdirectory of address:
        mkdir mailer
        mkdir mailer/address

2.  Put UM in ./mailer.  Make sure you chmod um to execute.
3.  Create a file to handle message numbers in ./mailer:

        cat > umailder.nbr
    0
    <ctrl-d>

4.  Go into ./mailer/address and construct your addresses by a
keyword.  This can be any single word.  UM will prompt for the
mailing address and use this keyword to get the path.

For example:

        cat > argate
        texbell!ark!lrark!argate!unetadm
        <ctrl-d>

You may create any number of addresses depending on the various
system you want to send the message to.


That's it.  UM will prompt for the information that it wants and
use the information you put in the script to configure it for your
system.  This will get things started.  You may now send mail to
the system.  I will read the mail as unetadm and place the file
in a directory that will allow uNET to pick up the message and
distribute it out on the packet network, whether destined locally
or around the country/world.  Naturally, this is going to require
a little knowledge of packet on your part as to distribution, etc.
I will help as much as I can.

In the Arkansas area, we have the following bbs systems:
        WD5B   Arkansas Gateway
        KC5JH  Primary user bbs in Little Rock
        N5ALU  Ft. Smith
        KA5BML Springdale
        KD5LF  Cherokee Village

Let me know of any questions and/or comments.

Rich WD5B @ WD5B
Arkansas Gateway
:------------------------------------------------------------------:
: Richard Duncan  WD5B           Packet:  WD5B @ WD5B.AR.USA.NA    :
: Little Rock, AR                BBS:     501/568-6809 (2400/1200) :
: UUCP:    ...!texbell!ark!lrark!argate!richard                    :
:------------------------------------------------------------------:

------------------------------

Date: 4 Sep 89 14:52:13 GMT
From: rochester!kodak!swamps![e-mail]  (Val Christian)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

I am wondering if someone running a uucp-packet radio gateway could send
me directions for it's use?  I appreciate that there is a [requirement]
for monitoring mail inbound to packet radio.

I would like to be able to send and receive small ammounts of packet mail
via uucp.  My location is near Rochester NY.

Thanks much.

-Val Christian  (N2EPO)
...attctc!swamps!val
...rochester!kodak!swamps!val

------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 89 18:09:32 GMT
From: sun-barr!newstop!texsun!texbell!ark!lrark!argate![e-mail]  (Unet PBBS Administrator)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Val Christian) writes:
> I am wondering if someone running a uucp-packet radio gateway could send
> me directions for it's use?  I appreciate that there is a [requirement]
> for monitoring mail inbound to packet radio.
>
> I would like to be able to send and receive small ammounts of packet mail
> via uucp.  My location is near Rochester NY.
>
> Thanks much.
>
> -Val Christian  (N2EPO)
> ...attctc!swamps!val
> ...rochester!kodak!swamps!val

I can handle your traffic.  The format is quite easy.  Mail your messages
outbound to:

...!texbell!ark!lrark!argate!unetadm

With the following format:
Sx <to> @ <bbs> < <from_your_call> $<bid>
<subject>
.                      #
.                      # x is the type B - Bulletin, P - Private
text                   # or T - NTS traffic
.                      #
.
/ex

So, a message to w2xyz from you could be:
------------------------------------------------------------------
SB W2XYZ @ W2AAA < N2EPO $N2EPO_1
Hello, got an access
Hi Elmer,
   I thought I would say hello to you.  Long time no hear.  You can
contact me via packet at N2EPO @ WD5B.    Val, N2EPO @ WD5B
/EX
------------------------------------------------------------------
When received, it will flag it as okay and it will be picked up by my
gateway system (WD5B), normally done on a daily basis. .  Replies may
be mailed directly to you for those received here.  Use your return
packet address as N2EPO @ WD5B.  Return mail will be automaticly forward
to you via uucp.

I have written a script file that will prompt for the information and
make things a little more organized on your end.  Will pass that along
as soon as I get a little documentation included.

:------------------------------------------------------------------:
: Richard Duncan  WD5B           Packet:  WD5B @ WD5B.AR.USA.NA    :
: Little Rock, AR                BBS:     501/568-6809 (2400/1200) :
: UUCP:    ...!texbell!ark!lrark!argate!richard                    :
:------------------------------------------------------------------:

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Date: Thu,  7 Sep 89 15:00:24 MDT
From: [e-mail]
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #196
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Thu,  7 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 196

Today's Topics:

              8th ARRL CNC Registration
          how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)
              New to HAM/Packet (2 msgs)
             PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #194
             packet mod for TM321
          Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5
             USENET ON HAM RADIO
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 89 11:22:00 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject:

delete me from distribution list for packet-radio

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Date: 5 Sep 89 15:30:08 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!col![e-mail]  (Bdale Garbee)
Subject: 8th ARRL CNC Registration

REMINDER FOR THOSE PLANNING TO ATTEND THE 8th NETWORKING CONFERENCE (7-8 Oct)

Reservations at the Marriott should be made no later than Sept. 6th to assure
the rates and space. Call [phone], do not use the Marriott WATS number.
Request space for attendance at the "ARRL Networking Conference".

Please send your conference registration fee as soon as possible to permit us
to properly handle the expected crowd. Send, and make checks payable to:
Andy Freeborn, N0CCZ, 5222 Borrego Drive, Colorado Springs, CO, 80918
($20.00).

If you missed earlier news releases on the conference and need info call me
at: [phone], or Compuserve 73177,1317 or N0CCZ@KA0WIE.

Andy Freeborn N0CCZ, Pres., TAPR


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Date: 6 Sep 89 22:45:56 GMT
From: elbereth.rutgers.edu!ron.rutgers.edu![e-mail]  (Ron Natalie)
Subject: how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)

The easiest way to decode packet radio is to buy a TNC.  This
is the combination modem and AX.25 protocol engine that is
the center of most of packet radio.  You can usually dig
one up for under $100.00.  If you really want to be cheap
you can go out and get one of the FSK decoder chips.  VHF Packet
radio uses 202 modem tones.  You'd have to convert it to RS-232 and
shove it into the PC and write something to make the framing
intelligeable, but it would work, I suppose.

-Ron

------------------------------

Date: 7 Sep 89 03:20:20 GMT
From: usc!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!gryphon!pnet02![e-mail]  (Jim Burnes)
Subject: New to HAM/Packet

Hi All!

I am considering getting into Packet Radio and would like to setup a
UseNet TranContinental Hop with it.  Can packet be used to send uucp/
usenet/fidonet etc mail?  What is the best book available that tells
you the step-by-step approach to becoming a packeteer from just a lowly
technical type (not even a HAM).  I am familiar with communications
programming so you can just give me the 1,2,3 steps necessary to get a
decent station up and running.

Jim Burnes

UUCP: {ames!elroy, <routing site>}!gryphon!pnet02!jburnes
INET: [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 7 Sep 89 18:30:24 GMT
From: elbereth.rutgers.edu!chopin.rutgers.edu![e-mail]  (Ron Natalie)
Subject: New to HAM/Packet

I hate to burst your plans but a USENET or FIDONET link
as you describe would be blatently illegal over amateur
radio.  The first problem is that someone has to accept
responsibility for the traffic conforming to the FCC
regulations.  Business traffic, profanity, and messages
to or from certain foreign countries are right out.
The only USENET connections that I'm aware of have humans
on the HAM/NON-HAM boundry.

Second, the only real transcontinental packet is being done
on the lower frequency (HF) bands.  Unattended operation of
stations is not permitted there.  There is an experimental
HF forwarding network on HF now, but that is operating under
special authority from the FCC.

However, there's plenty of fun and usefulness that can be
done with packet radio.  To get started, you do need an
amateur radio license.  The most common is a Technician
class license that requires you be able to receive 5 WPM
morse code and answer about 60 multiple choice questions
on radio theory and regulations.  You can get code tapes
and study guides from Radio Shack among other places.

-Ron

------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 89 23:14:00 EDT
From: "SWEIGERT, DAVID" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #194

73 Magazine   April 89

  I have been looking high and low for a copy of the 73 Magazine

April , 1989 issue.  Does anyone have a copy ?  I need an article

on the HR 2510.

Dave Sweigert WB9VKO

PO Box 4423

Annapolis, MD  21403


cheerrs..




------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 89 14:37:21 GMT
From: philmtl!philabs!briar.philips.com![e-mail]  (Robert Casey;6282;3.57;$0201)
Subject: packet mod for TM321

copied from packet:
 Msg# TSP  Size #Rd Date/Time MsgID        From   To
  2627 BF   1043   2 0904/0022 4650_WA2SNA  WM8J   ALL@ALLBBS
   Sb: TM231PACKETMOD

    THE FOLLOWING IS AN EASY MOD TO SQUELCH THE AUDIO AT MIC PIN 6 FOR
    TNC'S

    WITHOUT TRUE DCD:  OBTAIN FROM KENWOOD A 2SD1757(K) (SURFACE
MOUNT TRANSISTOR).  INSTALL EMITTER TO MIC PIN 8, COLLECTOR TO
MIC PIN 6, AND JUMPER FROM BASE TO THE UNUSED PIN ON CONNECTOR
202. USING THE UNUSED PIN RATHER THAN RUNNING THE JUMPER TO THE
    MOTHER BOARD PRESERVES THE PLUG IN FEATURE OF THE FRONT PANEL.
    CONNECT ONE END OF A 4.7 K RESISTOR (I USED A 6.8 K) TO THE
    MUTE LINE (IC 5 PIN 7), AND CONNECT THE OTHER END TO THE UNUSED
    PIN OF CONNECTOR 4, WHICH MATES WITH CONNECTOR 202.  THIS NEW
    CIRCUIT IS A CLOSE COPY OF THE AF MUTE CIRCUIT THAT SQUELCHES
    THE RX AUDIO AT THE SPEAKER. IT WORKS PERFECT WITH MY PACCOMM
    MICROPOWER 2.  THE HARDEST PART OF THE MOD IS REMOVING THE
    LOCKING RING AROUND THE MIC CONNECTOR. I USED A MODIFIED TABLE
    FORK! GOOD LUCK.

    0241z, 939 msgs, #2643 last @KD6TH-4 MailBox>
Note: I haven't tried this, proceed at your own risk! WA2ISE

------------------------------

Date: 6 Sep 89 21:14:25 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!col![e-mail]  (Bdale Garbee)
Subject: Problem with NET 890421.1 on Sys5

>On another related topic, does 890421.x include a real telnet server for
>those of us who can provide such service? (Read: Unix with ptys. I've
>submitted a pty driver for System V/AT to comp.sources.misc for this
>purpose.) I'd hate to reinvent the wheel...

Yes.  Any time you compile with 'UNIX' defined (as you will if using
makefile.unx), you get an extra server called 'telunix'.  In your startup
file, just 'start telunix' instead of 'start telnet', and your incoming
telnet sessions will be hooked to pty's.

It's a bit rough yet, you'll have to play with eol and stty settings, but it
does work.

There has been some discussion of moving the 'telnet' server to some port
other than the telnet port, but nothing has been nailed down yet.  Part of the
reason is that there's this feeling running around that we ought to do a real
"talk-like" split screen chat application, and use that for packet qso's, and
reserve telnet for real logins.  Dunno what we'll do yet...

73 - Bdale, N3EUA

------------------------------

Date: 6 Sep 89 22:42:22 GMT
From: elbereth.rutgers.edu!ron.rutgers.edu![e-mail]  (Ron Natalie)
Subject: USENET ON HAM RADIO

There are some guys in Ocean County NJ running a UNIX machine
on packet, however the USENET stuff is manually forwarded since
it must be auditted for suitability for transmission.

-Ron

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Date: Fri,  8 Sep 89 10:00:22 MDT
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #197
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Fri,  8 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 197

Today's Topics:
          how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)
                  Packet map
               UUCP - Packet Gateway ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 7 Sep 89 18:58:20 GMT
From: cadnetix.COM!cadnetix![e-mail]  (Rusty Carruth)
Subject: how can I listen to packet radio?  (query)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
    (Ron Natalie) writes:
>....  and write something to make the framing intelligeable, but it would work,
>I suppose.
>
>-Ron


Actually, there was an article in "ham radio" about just that thing a while
back (except it used 'kiss mode' to do it, I believe).  Interesting
how the callsign and some other stuff got shifted up a bit....  If you
really are thinking about doing this yourself, I'd suggest you look
up a few of the last issues of HR mag and see what they have already
accomplished.

A better Idea is to just go out and buy a TNC,  I got mine for $125
brand new, so you can do at least as well.
----------
Rusty Carruth  UUCP:{uunet,boulder}!cadnetix!rusty  DOMAIN: [e-mail]
Daisy/Cadnetix Corp. [phone]\  5775 Flatiron Pkwy. \ Boulder, Co 80301
Radio: N7IKQ    'home': P.O.B. 461 \  Lafayette, CO 80026

------------------------------

Date: 8 Sep 89 12:48:48 GMT
From: rochester!kodak!ektools![e-mail]  (Andrew A. Kinsman)
Subject: Packet map

                               -=>

                               -=>
==============================================================




















                             LAN's
Barrie-Orillia,ONT--> @VE3FJB[01/07]            W.ONT.......14
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~      !       \               ONT - WNY...14
     Milton,ONT-->   @VE3KOI     \              WNY.........14
      [03/01 nites] TORONTO \     \             ROCHESTER...14
            ~~~~~~~  \     \            CNY.........14
Lockport --->          KO2J-1->-----\--------,  SO.TIER.....14
Niag.Falls->@W2ICZ[59/01]    / \     \       !  MHWK-HUDSON.14
Brockport--->     \@WB2VPH--/---\WB2VPH-1,-7 !  CATSK-NYC...14
Rochester-->       \/    `-+--K2JD  /   \    !  LONG IS. ...14
Roch.[03]->@WB2WXQ /\     /       \/     \   !
Marion---->  !    /  \   /        N2AMK   !  !
         !        \ !        /   /\   !  !
Churchv'l[03] \  \  \  \ \      /   /  \  !  '
  `--> @N2EPO\ \  \  \  \ \    /   /    \ ! /
Fairport----> \ \  \  \  \ `-W2DUC<      \!/
Newark--->     \ \  \  \  \ / /    `---WA2AAZ--------------AE2
        \ \  \  \  X /         /  ! \               /
Batavia [03/59/01]-> KA2VTY-X         /   !  `---------@KC3BQ
Lima [03] KA1YE-3 ---' !   ! \       /    !             / !  !
Attica ---->    N2GH-1[59] !  >---. /     !            /  !  !
Wethersfield-->         K2IMF-1    X      !           /   !  !
    Cortland--->       / \    / \ ,---!-,--------/----!-WA
    Hammondsport-->       /  N2CEH-1-X    !'        !      !
             /   /      / \  /!         !      !
    Ithaca----->    /   /      /   `/  >--------!--K2VD--'
    Ithaca----->   /   /   K2SJB-1 / `/---.     !   /!\
    Ithaca----->  /    !   K2SJB[01]-'----.\    !  / ! \
    Alpine-----> /     !          ,-----,--->-@N2EZG--, \
            /      !         /          /[01/07] \ \
    Pine Vly-> /       ! WA2DGS[07] -------+--------------
          /        !                  /     !    !   \
Mayville----> WA0PTY-1     !                 /      !   /
       Elmira------->  !                /   WB2VPY-1 ----.
       Elmira------->   \              /   /      !
       Elmira------->    \       `- @KC2AZ[01/07] !
       Nichols------>     \          /     \`--- WA2IKF---
          Binghamton--->   `--------<       \     !
          Hawleyton---->             \       `----!-------
                     !            !
          Towanda,PA ----->      !           @AG3F
                     !            !
           Canton,PA ----->      !        WA3QAG-1
                     !            !
                     !           [01]
        Honesdale,PA ----->      !            !
                     !            !
                     !            !
                     !            !
          Williamsport,PA -->        !       @KB3OM
                     !            !
                     !            !
        Lock Haven,PA -->     K3QFW-1         !
                      \           !
        Wilkes-Barre,PA->          `---------/--------
                            /
                           /         /
    State College,PA--> @WA7SSO ----------------------------'
           Harrisburg,PA --->                /
@W2XO  <--- Gibsonia,PA ------------------------'
       (Pittsburgh)
             E.Bangor,PA -->










Baltimore,MD / Washington,DC -->


  <=-
          This map is meant to Geographically Approximate
  <=-             locations of 2M PBBs's and key digipeaters.
=================================================================
                   #VE2VCA      <-- Montreal, QUE
               .-----VE2RM              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      @VE3PNZ @VE3FXI     /       /!              <-, Ottawa, ONT
       !   !         /       / !                ! ~~~~~~~~~~~
       VE3PAK ------'       /  !              <-'
         /   \             /   !
     VE3DVQ   \           /    !              <-- Lavant, ONT
           \   \         /     !                  ~~~~~~~~~~~
        \   \       /      !
         \   \   @NA2B     !                  <-- Massena
     ( ?? )       \   \   / \      !               <-(Ogdensburg)
           \   \ /   \     !    .--@KD1R-1 <-- Milton, VT
            NA2B-1    \    !   /      / /  <------ Canton
               / \     \   !  /  KD2AJ / <-- S.Plattsburg
              /   \     \  ! /  /  !  /
             /     `-----W2UXC-1   ! /      <--- Lyon Mtn
        N2MD-1 ---------'   \      !!          <-----Fine
           /                     \     !!,------ @WB1DSW-1
          /                       \    !!! (NEGate-E.KgstnNH)
         /                         \   !!!   ,----W1HJF-1
        /                           \  !!!  /  (Mt.Wash.,NH)
5.07       /                            WA1TLN-1 <-Ascutney Mt,VT
5.03    WA2OFK                          /  !! <-------Boonville
5.59      !                .....[05].../...!!.......W1OJ[05]digi
5.03      !                :          /    !!   (Mt.Wachusett,MA)
5.09      !                :   W2DPD-1     !! <------ Lake George
5.07      !    N2GFN[05]...:.WA2UMX-5 \    !! <---------- Corinth
5.05      !       :       :            \   !! <------------Marcy
5.05       \    [05]      :   @WA2UMX  /   !! <--Saratoga Springs
5.07        \ @WA2TVE-4   :   [05/01]-'   /!! <---------- Utica
         \  [01]      :      /       / !!             ~~~~~
          \   !    ,--- KA2FQE------' / !    <-- Middle Grove
           \  !   /   :  //!\        /  !
        \ !  /    : // ! \      /   !    <--Liverpool
         \! /@KC2PH<-, !  \    /     \  <-Herkimer[05/01]
        ,---K2IQ---'  :/ ! !   \  /       !  <-- Westmoreland
K-1--------' /  /!\ \     /  !  \   \/        !  <--Liverpool
        /  / ! \ \   /: [01] \  /\        !
-----------'  /  ! !  \ / :  !    \/  \       !  <--Skaneateles
         /  /  !   \ [05]!    /\   \      !
        /  /   !  / \ :  !   /  \   \     !
       /  /    ! ! ...:  !  /    \   \    !
2VAM-1 ---<  /     ! ! :  \  ! / ,----\---`--KY1H    <-- Peru, MA
(COR)      \/      ! ! :,- K2AE-<      \      !   <- Pattersonvle
       !\      ! ! / @WB2ACV \      \     !   <--- New Berlin
       ! >- KC2FY-1:    !     \      \    !   <----- Edmeston
       !/ ,-----'  :    ! WB2WHD-1    \   !   <----- Delanson
       ! !     :   :    !             !   !
       ! !  @KC2FY[05]  !             !   !   <-- Cooperstown
       ! !     :   : WA2EYH-7 -,      !   !   <--- Bainbridge
----[07]-----------------KB2KW-7---'      !   !   <-EA Link Field
 \         ! !     :   :    !             !   !
\ \        ! !     :   :    !             !   !
 \ \       ! !     :   :   [07]           !   !
\ \ \      ! !     :   ;    !             !   !
 \ \ \     ! K2QIE[05]      !             !   !       <----Maine
. \ \ \    ! ! :           /              !   !
 \ \ \ \   ! ! :                          !   !
--`-`-`-`-W2OW :                          !   !
     \    !    :        ,--- @WA2RKN-2    !   !     <-- Hyde Park
     .`...!....:         /            \   !  /
    :  \  !           /   ,---------WB2KMY-1     <-- Mt. Beacon
    :   [01]           /   /              !  \ ?
    :    /            /   /               ! KG1O-9 <-- Mt. Ninham
   [05] /,-----------'   /                ! /  ? `----?------>
    :  </----- @KB3ZW-1-'                / /
    :  !  White Plains ------>          / /  WB2QJA[05]
    :  ! Montauk,LI--[07/01]->         / /      !    @K2AAA-4[07]
    :  !               LI---->        / /       !   @N1DL->  !
    :  !  Farmingville,LI---->       / /        !  @W2HPM'\  !
    :  !  Farmingville,LI---->      / /         !     /   @W2JUP
    :  !  New York City -->        / /       @N2MH-5 /    [01/07]
    :  !  New York City -->      WB2VTN-1           /       /  /
    :  !  Dix Hills,LI------->    !   \       .--WA2VYL-1  /
 @K3RLI[01/05]                    !    \     /    /       /
/   :  !  Holbrook,LI-------->    !     \   /    / KA2EYW-1[07]
    :  !  Freeport[01/221.11]-->  ! !    @AI2Q----/----'
    :  !    [03/221.11 eves]      ! !   [01/07]  /
 @AK3P-5[05/01]                   ! !    /   \  /
    :  !                         /  !   /     \/
    :  !   ,------------ WA2SNA-2   !  /      / <----- Oakland,NJ
    : @KB3UD                    \   ! /      /
    :  !                  V    @WA2SNA-1    / <----- Hawthorne,NJ
    :  !                            !      /
    :  !                            !     /
    :  !                            !    /
    :  !                       @KB1BD[07]     <---- Plainsboro,NJ
    : /
    :/
    !
    !
    !
@W3IWI
=================================================================

------------------------------

Date: 6 Sep 89 12:05:00 GMT
From: pur-phy!tippy![e-mail]
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

What is the "$<bid>" used for?


*************************************************************************
*    Rob Dale              /-\  tippy!fireman                           *
*    Purdue University     =+=               @newton.physics            *
*    Atmospheric Sciences  \-/                              .purdue.edu *
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PACKET-RADIO Digest         Sun, 10 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 198

Today's Topics:
           New application of packet technology (?)
              New to HAM/Packet
   Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!
               UUCP - Packet Gateway ?
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Date: 8 Sep 89 16:38:48 GMT
From: dino!sharkey!lopez![e-mail]  (Gary Bourgois)
Subject: New application of packet technology (?)

    I am the operator of a system (lopez) which is on this network, and
    is also home of a local public access system, one of two such systems
    in my community.  For a long time now, myself and the operator of the
    other site have been talking about linking our two systems into a
    "megasystem", allowing file transfers, multi user chat over both
    systems, and other nifty features.  As we are both fairly innovative
    in our concepts (the activity between our two systems has
    resulted in making our community very unique as far as local small
    town telecom goes)... we are constantly looking for new ground to
    break.

    Our idea of linking the two systems prompted me to consider a RADIO
    LINK.  While both our systems are NON COMMERCIAL, I would prefer not
    to do it as a HAM PACKET system, but rather to apply for either a
    commercial, or non commercial experimental license, BUT would like to
    use a packet type technology for the link.

    I know of no work that has been done in this area, and am not sure
    where to start.  I am figuring on using microwaves or "high end UHF"
    for the link.  I would like the data to go at least at 9600 baud if
    at all possible.

    Yes it would probably be easier to just run a dedicated phone line
    between the two systems, but THIS would be more fun, and something
    useful might come of it.  Tinkering and experimenting are also
    something we both get into (although the other op is NOT a ham, he IS
    an SWL)...

    I would like to put out a plea to members of the net to give us as
    much input as possible on the feasibility of this project.  Don't
    just write and tell me we are insane, we already know that....

    What type of hardware is avaialble, what frequencies would be
    recommended? How hard it it to get an experimental license?

    My system is a non profit corporation.

    The discussion is probably more suited to EMAIL, since technically it
    is NOT Ham radio, though will draw heavily from the packet
    technology.

    I am also wondering the legality of setting up a packet bbs, and
linking
    it with my landline unix system, and thus allowing this conference to
be
    available over the airwaves, and allowing users to send email via a
    combination of packet and landline.  How do third party agreements
enter
    into this?  Must I read and approve each message (as the licensed
amateur
    operator of the pbbs?)  Enquiring minds want to know....

    The main thrust of this post though, is the feasibility of the proposed
    radio link (non amateur, either by experimental or commercial license)
    using packet technology.

    I hope to hear from some folks out there...  If anyone has done such
    a thing, I would like to know about it...

    Reply to flash@lopez

    US MAIL:

    G. Bourgois
    Great White North Uplink
    429 Spring Street
    Marquette, Michigan  49855

--
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| Gary Bourgois, ...rutgers!sharkey!lopez!flash  ([e-mail]) |
|     Nationwide Amateur Radio NIGHTLY after 0200z on 3950 KHz      |
 -------------[ WB8EOH = The Eccentric Old Hippie ]-----------------

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Date: 10 Sep 89 00:16:30 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: New to HAM/Packet

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Natalie) writes:
>I hate to burst your plans but a USENET or FIDONET link
>as you describe would be blatently illegal over amateur
>radio.  The first problem is that someone has to accept
>responsibility for the traffic conforming to the FCC
>regulations.  Business traffic, profanity, and messages
>to or from certain foreign countries are right out.

The rules regarding international amateur third-party traffic apply only to
direct communication between amateur stations; it doesn't matter whether we
have a third-party agreement with the country that is the ultimate source or
destination of the traffic.

For example, if the US has a third-party agreement with country B but not
country C, but countries B and C have agreements with each other, then it is
perfectly legal to route third party traffic to or from country C via
country B.  In networking terminology, the third party rules operate at the
link layer, not at the network layer.

This may seem like a shady legal loophole, but it actually makes sense when
you consider that the reason for third party agreements (or, more
accurately, the lack of same) between pairs of countries is so that the
countries involved can protect their monopoly interests in the international
common-carrier routes between them.  It is perfectly legal for you, as an
American ham, to accept third-party traffic by radio and forward it to
Europe, as long as you use the telephone instead of radio for the hop across
the Atlantic, and as long as the station you accepted the traffic from is
either in the US or is in a country with which the US has a third-party
agreement.  The source or ultimate destination of the traffic is irrelevant.

Here's another way of looking at it. The US Government, as a matter of
public policy, does not protect any US telecommunications carrier from the
loss of revenue that occurs whenever a US ham uses radio instead of a common
carrier to carry messages between points inside the US. (Assuming, of course,
that the messages are otherwise suitable for amateur radio -- no business or
obscene communications, etc.) For a foreign country to be able to determine
what can or cannot be said over amateur radio between points in the US would
be a violation of the sovereignty of the US government over domestic
communications.

In other words, if you distributed USENET messages via radio to other
stations in the US, you would have to screen them for content but you would
NOT have to worry about their country of origin.

Phil

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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 89 00:03:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!

I posted The following message to the tcp_group and am reposting here
for the prevailing benefit of interested Packeteer's!


    Sent: 09/09/89 10:28  Rcvd: 09/09/89 11:01  Number: 59
      To: [e-mail]                      From: Doug Yuill
 Subject: Distribution of NET

It seems we see lots of requests for NET executable's for the various
machines that NET has been ported to. Is our distribution mechanism so
ad hoc that we don't have a current (to within 12 months) list of people
who will send you NET for your particular hardware?
I would like to offer to distribute NET for the Macintosh & IBM pc for a
DONATION of $15 to our local working group. I expect to have both the
the old version and the new version of NET for the Amiga and if Rob wants
to send me his Atari version I'll send him the current Mac distribution.
Any other keepers of the bits (do we have a xenix port?) who wish me to
distribute there versions of NET please send them along.
As I have an interest in user testing I may also be able to provide help
in cases where potental NETer's get hopelessly lost in the documentation.
Please mail your disks or dollars to:
                       Doug Yuill
                      54 Ella St.
                      Ottawa, Ont.
                      Canada, K1S 2G4
[e-mail] or gandalf!scs!yuill or VE3OCU@VE3JF, Ottawa


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Date: 8 Sep 89 13:53:53 GMT
From: philmtl!philabs!briar.philips.com![e-mail]  (Robert Casey;6282;3.57;$0201)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

In article <27400001@tippy> [e-mail] writes:
>What is the "$<bid>" used for?

This is used to avoid duplication of your bullitin on BBSs as your bullitin
propagates thru the regiom you wanted.  If you don't use it, a far-away BBS
could receive your bullitin via several paths, and it wouldn't know that these
bullitins were the same one.  The bullitin would be posted multiple times
needlessly.  To make the bid work, do this format:
SB ALL@ALLBBS $###_call
where ### is an id number you assign, and call is your callsign.  You don't
have to use exactly this format, but if you happen to use the same bid that
someone else used, your message will get ignored (the BBSs will think it's a
duplicate of something it received already).  Using your call in the bid
should make it unique.  Example: if this was packet and I wanted to send this
as a bullitin to the USA, I'd do
SB ALL@ALLBBS $123_WA2ISE

73 de WA2ISE

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PACKET-RADIO Digest         Mon, 11 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 199

Today's Topics:
           New application of packet technology (?)
              New to HAM/Packet
   Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!
           UUCP - Packet Gateway ? (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 11 Sep 89 00:21:27 GMT
From: ncrlnk!ncrcae!prdmgt![e-mail]  (Joe Flake)
Subject: New application of packet technology (?)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Bourgois) writes:
>
>    Our idea of linking the two systems prompted me to consider a RADIO
>    LINK.  While both our systems are NON COMMERCIAL, I would prefer not
>    to do it as a HAM PACKET system, but rather to apply for either a
>    commercial, or non commercial experimental license, BUT would like to
>    use a packet type technology for the link.
>
>    I know of no work that has been done in this area, and am not sure
>    where to start.  I am figuring on using microwaves or "high end UHF"
>    for the link.  I would like the data to go at least at 9600 baud if
>    at all possible.
>
>    What type of hardware is avaialble, what frequencies would be
>    recommended? How hard it it to get an experimental license?


In the past few days I was passed a copy of a press-release and
data sheet of a "radio modem for PCs".  A friend saw the product
being shown at a trade show months (a year?) ago using HAM FREQUENCIES!
He filled out the card for more info, got a brochure then, and now
an update.

This claims to be a radio-in-a-pc-card, now with type acceptance
for 450-470 MHZ business band.  They also claim versions can be
made to work in 406-420 MHZ fed government band, and 420-450 MHZ
HAM band!

They claim 2 watts, up to 15 mile range, and 9600bps.  They use
what they call "RX.25" protocol.

In all fairness their brochure does say "Use of radio frequencies
may require prior authorization; consult your local FCC office
for policy and regulations."  I am however concerned by the fact
that they used HAM frequencies at a commercial trade show.

If you're interested, contact:
    Megadata
    Bohemia, New York
    516-589-6858

DISCLAIMER:  I have NO knowledge or interest in this product
beyond what I read in their data sheet.

Joe Flake, N4BGQ
NCR Corp, W. Columbia, SC
[e-mail]

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Date: 10 Sep 89 18:04:39 GMT
From: asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n390.z1.fidonet.org![e-mail]  (Walt Fair)
Subject: New to HAM/Packet

In an article of <7 Sep 89 18:30:24 GMT>, [e-mail] (Ron Natalie)
writes:

 RN>..From: [e-mail] (Ron Natalie)

 RN>..I hate to burst your plans but a USENET or FIDONET link
 RN>..as you describe would be blatently illegal over amateur
 RN>..radio.  The first problem is that someone has to accept
 RN>..responsibility for the traffic conforming to the FCC
 RN>..regulations.  Business traffic, profanity, and messages
 RN>..to or from certain foreign countries are right out.
 RN>..The only USENET connections that I'm aware of have humans
 RN>..on the HAM/NON-HAM boundry.

    Well, you really ought to check out your facts before you post a
message. I have spoken with the FCC and they disagree with your analysis. If
the intent is hobby communications, then they see no problem. If the intent is
business, etc, then that's another matter. My packet/Fidonet interface has been
operational and in service for well over 6 months and runs unattended, with
full knowledge by the FCC, since I checked with them first. Of course, I don't
port all the Fidonet echos over, just HAM, PACKET, and SHORTWAVE. I also don't
send the Fidonet mail traffic by radio, but by phone. At any rate, it isn't
blatently illegal, at least according to the FCC.

    Walt KE5WJ





--
Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!stjhmc!390!1!Walt.Fair
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: 11 Sep 89 00:27:09 GMT
From: [e-mail]  (Patty Winter)
Subject: Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!

In article <[e-mail]6> [e-mail] writes:
>I would like to offer to distribute NET for the Macintosh & IBM pc for a
>DONATION of $15 to our local working group. I expect to have both the
>the old version and the new version of NET for the Amiga and if Rob wants
>to send me his Atari version I'll send him the current Mac distribution.


U.S. hams may want to obtain the Macintosh version from:
    Doug Thom N6OYU
    1405 Graywood Drive
    San Jose, CA 95129

Doug is the project coordinator for the Macintosh port, so he always
has the latest version.

In Europe, Jean-Pierre Szikora ([e-mail]) has offered
to provide the same service. He's at:

    Institut Ludwig
    74, av. Hippocrate UCL7459
    B-1200 Brussels     Belgium

Please send a blank (preferably formatted) 800K disk with a return
disk mailer and appropriate postage or IRCs.

Remember--this is for the Macintosh version only! You DOS folks are
on your own. :-)


Patty

(Sorry for the separate posting to r.h-r and r.h-r.p, but the original
articles were posted separately and I didn't see the one in .packet
until after I'd posted my followup in r.h-r.)

--
=============================================================================
Patty Winter N6BIS                        INTERNET: [e-mail]
AMPR.ORG: [44.4.0.44]                     UUCP: {decwrl,nsc,sun}!apple!winter
=============================================================================

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Date: 11 Sep 89 02:22:39 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!sequent![e-mail]  (Brian Sheets)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

Where can one get software to run UUCP-packet  gateways?



--
Brian Sheets KA7KDX         _  /|                   "I'll be back"
19730 SW Prospect Ln.       \`o_O'
Aloha, Or 97007               ( ) Aachk!        - Arnold Schwarzenegger,
503-526-4091                   U   Phft!         Any movie he's been in.

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Date: 11 Sep 89 06:19:48 GMT
From: brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!wuarchive!texbell!ark!lrark![e-mail]  (Rick Mobley)
Subject: UUCP - Packet Gateway ?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Sheets) writes:
> Where can one get software to run UUCP-packet  gateways?
>

You might try WD5B @ WD5B or [e-mail]. We are running three such
systems here in Little Rock. Rich is the gateway station. The other two are
only beta sites to help test the software. Keep in mind its UNIX-based.


--
Ricky L. Mobley, WB5FDP | Mail) ...!uunet!wugate!      |    CIS: 70505,1157
1800 Sanford Drive #4   | Path)     wuarchive!texbell! | PACKET: WB5FDP @ WD5B
Little Rock, AR 72207   |           ark!lrark!rick     |   XBBS: [phone]

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PACKET-RADIO Digest         Wed, 13 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 200

Today's Topics:
             (NOS)net.exe package
                bbs protocols
            Heathkit HD-4040 help
             Problem with TNC-1 KISS ROM
             USENET ON HAM RADIO
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Date: 13 Sep 89 15:47:10 GMT
From: enterprise![e-mail]  ('Captain' Kirk DeHaan)
Subject: (NOS)net.exe package

Can anyone direct me to the latest version of the NOS version
of net.exe that is available for anonymous FTP?  I'm looking
for the "complete" package or at least as much as I can get.

Also, I'm looking for a short tutorial on the operation
of NOS.  I have an old copy but am having a great deal of
trouble getting things going.  The stopper is an error stating
"host unknown".  I realize the setup is quite different from
the old net.exe and the documentation I have for the new version
is sparse.

Help me Mr. Wizard! :-)


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*  Sun Microsystems Inc.                  For a blow to the head"  *
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Date: 11 Sep 89 00:33:26 GMT
From: cadre.dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!w2xo![e-mail]  (Jim Durham)
Subject: bbs protocols

Does anyone know where I might find a detailed list of packet bbs
protocol specs?
I have posed this question to many folks, including some of the
authors of the popular bbs software and have received in response
just bits and pieces here and there. After writing my own bbs code
to run under Unix, I found that I had to put it on the air and wait
for the complaints to come in about "Hey..your bbs isn't doing
so-and-so correctly". Usually this relates to SIDs or BIDs or MIDs
or extended addressing.
It looks like someone just comes up with some idea for a new
feature and everyone is just supposed to know how to handle it.
Perhaps, being mostly interested in C and Unix and not doing a lot
of packeteering daily (except for the bbs), I just don't get exposed
to stuff that "everyone knows".
Anyone have anything official or semi-official?
-73
Jim, W2XO    (w2xo![e-mail])  (W2XO@W2XO)

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Date: 13 Sep 89 19:35:06 GMT
From: notecnirp![e-mail]  (Matt Blaze)
Subject: Heathkit HD-4040 help

I've got an old Heath HD-4040 TNC-1 clone and naturally have managed
to loose the manual. Can some kind soul please tell me the radio
connector pinouts?  Thanks!

-matt
wb2sri
[e-mail]

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Date: 12 Sep 89 00:18:35 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd![e-mail]  (Mark A. Matthews)
Subject: Problem with TNC-1 KISS ROM

I'm using the TNC-1 KISS code for my ancient, but reliable TNC-1.  The
problem I have is that I can't seem to get the ROM bits to operate but the
RAM-based version (downloaded to the tnc via the TNCBUG monitor) works fine.

The main problem I see is that the ROM KISS will monitor the channel OK,
send packets OK, but fails to receive the first packet heard immediately
after sending one.  This is rather frustrating, since the first packet heard
after sending one is usually some sort of acknowledgement of the just-sent
packet! (And no one tell me to use a more congested channel!)

I've diddled with the various timing parameters, thinking that perhaps one
of those is not set correctly, but to no avail.  Has anyone one else solved
this problem?  I really rather not have to dig out the old 6809 analyzer and
re-debug the wheel.


--
-Mark ([e-mail] -or- ..!tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mam)

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Date: 12 Sep 89 17:40:44 GMT
From: jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!censor!geac!becker![e-mail]  (Bruce Becker)
Subject: USENET ON HAM RADIO

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|
|I am toying with the idea of making several newsgroups
|available to hams who do not have access to public access
|unix systems.   This would be as an adjunct to the Amateur
|Radio Forum.
|
|I presume this has all been done before and would like to
|get in touch with someone who can save me the leg work.
|
|I also presume that packet would be the way to go but am
|open to other ideas.  The key must be minimum investment by
|participants.

    A simple solution would be to send the articles
    as mail to the intended user. You can set up
    your News "sys" file something like this -

        hamuser:group1,group2::mail hamuser@hamlocation

    If you are sending via some other facility than
    mail you can substitute it for the mail command
    above as long as it takes the message from the
    standard input.
    The limitations are that the end recipient will
    have to make something up to sort the newsgroups
    into directories or digests if there is a lot of
    news to keep track of. You could do something on
    your end which could help -

        hamuser:group1,group2:F:

    This puts the article pathnames into the Batch
    directory where you can periodically process it,
    such as sorting the list, digestifying, etc. with
    some simple scripts.

Hope this helps,
--
  \__/   Bruce Becker   Toronto, Ont.
w \@@/   Internet: [e-mail], [e-mail]
 `/~/-e  BitNet:   [e-mail]
_<  \_   Happiness is a warm gnu, yes it is - R. M. Soulman

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Date: Fri, 08 Sep 89 12:44:34 BST
From: [e-mail]



 Relayed from G6CZV by G1YYH@GB7NWP
==========================================================================
 Date: 29 Aug 89 07:47
 Message-ID: <9065@GB7NWP>
 From: G6CZV@GB7NWP To: ALL@GBR
 Subject: CHANGING PARAMETERS SURVEY

HELLO THERE. TONY HERE IN SUNNY RAMSBOTTOM.

I WONDER IF YOU HAVE HAD ANY OF YOUR PARAMETERS IN YOUR TNC CHANGED WITHOUT
YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR IF YOU HAVE HEARD OF THIS HAPPENING TO OTHERS. IN A COUPLE
OF CASES HERE IN THE NORTH (UK) PARAMETERS HAVE BEEN CHANGED WITHOUT OWNERS
KNOWING.  ON ONE OCCASION A MAILBOX (PMS) WAS SWITCHED OFF TWO DAYS RUNNING
WITH OTHER PARAMETERS CHANGED.  IN MY CASE MY MYCALL WAS CHANGED TO THAT OF A
LOCAL BBS SYSOPS. YOU CAN IMAGINE THE TROUBLE THAT CAUSED WITH MAIL FORWARDING
ETC. THE THEORY IS THAT SOMEONE HAS FOUND A WAY OF ALTERING PARAMETERS OVER
THE AIR REMOTELY.   HAS ANY ONE ELSE EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THIS ????

PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE AT G6CZV @ GB7NWP. (ax25)
                  or G1YYH @ GB7NWP



         John Heaton
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JANET:       [e-mail]                    NRS Central Administrator,
Internet:    [e-mail]    MCC Network Unit (G45),
EARN/BITNET: J.Heaton%MCC.ac.uk@UKACRL             The University,
UUCP:        ...!ukc!umist!J.Heaton                Oxford Road,
Phone:       [+44 61 | 061] 275-6011               Manchester,
FAX:         [+44 61 | 061] 275-6040               M13 9PL.
Ax.25:       G1YYH @ GB7NWP - [44.131.1.8] amiga.G1YYH.ampr.org

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 89 13:54:43 MDT
From: [e-mail]
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #201
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Fri, 15 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 201

Today's Topics:
            domain.txt info wanted
            Heathkit HD-4040 help
         Local packet QSOs / dual band rigs?
   Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!
           ROSES-1 - Open Systems Symposium
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 14 Sep 89 21:16:15 GMT
From: silver![e-mail]  (Keith E. Brandt)
Subject: domain.txt info wanted

What is the format for the domain.txt file used by the KA9Q NOS
program?

Thanks in advance,

Keith E. Brandt
WD9GET
===============================================================================
Keith E. Brandt, MD2B            ||  Goodbye, cruel world that was my home-
  Indiana University             ||     there's cleaner space out here to roam.
    School of Medicine           ||  Put my feet up on the moons of Mars-
[e-mail]  ||     sit back, relax, and count the stars.
===============================================================================

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Date: 14 Sep 89 16:06:30 GMT
From: hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!hprpcd![e-mail]
Subject: Heathkit HD-4040 help

Mat, here are the pinouts from my schematic

    Pin 1              N/C
    Pin 2              N/C
    Pin 3              Recieve audio in
    Pin 4              PTT
    Pin 5              Audio out to microphone
    Pin 6              GND
    Pin 7              GND
    Pin 8              GND
    Pin 9              GND


Hope this helps

Stan Witherspoon
N6SCE
stan@hprstw

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Date: 13 Sep 89 15:07:00 GMT
From: primerd!ENI!ENP![e-mail]
Subject: Local packet QSOs / dual band rigs?

 My packet operation is bothered by something I understand is common,
I run a dual band radio (IC-3200A) and have used anything from a TNC-1 to a
KAM quite sucessfully, but every time I try to connect with a person that
is local to me, that is one that doesn't need digipeating, I have fits
getting and keeping the connection. I believe that it is the radio's T-R
switching in that it doesn't get back into receive fast enough to hear
the return packet. It seems to me if this was a common problem everyone
would set their TXDELAY to something longer (at the risk of slightly more
channel usage) so people like me would have an easier time of it.

 As it is, to do a simple loop back test, I need to venture out 2 nodes to get
back...

 I've heard of this problem mostly using dual band radios, another being a
FT-727. Is this mostly a problem with dual band radios? Why don't people
tweek up their TXDELAY? Why don't TNC manufacturers make defaults a little
larger in the TXDELAY parameter?

 Has anyone else seen this or solved the problem by getting most people in
a given area up their TXDELAY?

   Tom Kinahan N1CPE
   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

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Date: 13 Sep 89 05:02:48 GMT
From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!col![e-mail]  (Bdale Garbee)
Subject: Phil Karn KA9Q's tcp/ip Amateur Packet Radio Software Available!

>I would like to offer to distribute NET for the Macintosh & IBM pc for a
>DONATION of $15 to our local working group. I expect to have both the
>the old version and the new version of NET for the Amiga and if Rob wants
>to send me his Atari version I'll send him the current Mac distribution.

I didn't pay attention to the cost before.  I personally provide TAPR with
copies of the latest releases, and they make PC floppies available.  The
full four-disk set (two with executables, config files, and docs, two with
sources) is $8 last time I checked, they charge a flat $2/disk to mail things
out.  They also have a wide variety of other packet software available for
the PC under the same terms, contact the office for more information.  They
do not currently have the facilities to handle media other than 360k PC
floppies, so coordination of distribution for other platforms still makes
sense.

    TAPR
    PO Box 12925
    Tucson, AZ  85732
    [phone]

73 - Bdale

------------------------------

Date: 14 Sep 89 21:54:23 GMT
From: att!cbnewsh![e-mail]  (j.gordon.beattie)
Subject: ROSES-1 - Open Systems Symposium

           The Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society

       The Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society (RATS) and the
       New Jersey Institute of Technology Amateur Radio Club (NJIT
       ARC) are co-sponsoring the first

        RATS Open System Environment Symposium (ROSES-1).

       ROSES-1 is a packet forum for new users, PBBS sysops and
       network gurus focused on OSI or Open Systems.

       There will be tech talks and roundtable discussions on many
       areas of packet operation as well as:

      + LICENSE EXAMS provided by the Bergen Amateur Radio
        Association from 8AM until 11AM.

      + Equipment and demonstrations will be conducted and
        literature will be available.

      + TNC tune-up clinic so bring your radio and TNC.

       The date is November 11th from 8AM until 6PM in the Hazell
       Center on the NJIT campus in Newark, NJ.  Admission and
       parking are free for all attending.

       Talk-in will be on 145.19 (-600).

       For testing information contact Pete Adely, K2MHP at 201-
       796-6622.

       For more information including speaker requests contact
       Gordon Beattie, N2DSY at 201-387-8896 or via packet
       n2dsy@kd6th.

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 89 15:00:44 MDT
From: [e-mail]
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #202
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Mon, 18 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 202

Today's Topics:
                (none)
              any mailing list?
                  ARES/DATA
          Distribution + Hierarchical Routing Names
            domain.txt info wanted
         Local packet QSOs / dual band rigs?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 15 Sep 89 22:51:59 GMT
From: asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n390.z1.fidonet.org![e-mail]  (Walt Fair)
Subject: (none)

 * Originally to [e-mail]-computing-ce
 * Forwarded by Jim Grubs

In an article of <8 Sep 89 11:44:34 GMT>, [e-mail]-computing-
centre.ac.UK writes:

 ZA>..LOCAL BBS SYSOPS. YOU CAN IMAGINE THE TROUBLE THAT CAUSED WITH MAIL
 ZA>..FORWARDING
 ZA>..ETC. THE THEORY IS THAT SOMEONE HAS FOUND A WAY OF ALTERING
 ZA>..PARAMETERS OVER
 ZA>..THE AIR REMOTELY.   HAS ANY ONE ELSE EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THIS
 ZA>..????
 ZA>..
 ZA>..PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE AT G6CZV @ GB7NWP. (ax25)
 ZA>..                              or G1YYH @ GB7NWP

    I can tell you how to do it if the software isn't properly operating.
I've never seen it done on any active systems, but I found a way to do it on my
own software while it was under developement about a year ago. It's similar to
the old ancient "hackers" trick to get a phone modem off the line, thereby
crashing a BBS system. Most software won't allow that to happen, since it's
such an easy thing to code around. That's why most current systems use hardware
handshaking now-a-days. Does the software in question possible try to keep the
TNC in CONVERSE mode with software handshaking?

    Walt



--
Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!stjhmc!390!1!Walt.Fair
Internet: [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 15 Sep 89 21:30:26 GMT
From: beowulf![e-mail]  (Shigeki Matsushima)
Subject: any mailing list?

    Hi, I'm JK1RJQ. I'll stay here in San Diego
until next June.  I want to know about any information
about packet activities in USA.  I've ever heard about
the mailing list concerning packet radio.  Does anyone
tell me how I can subscribe it?

    I and my friend developed the news distribution
program, called "terakoya", used with KA9Q package.
Perhaps someone read about it on "Gateway" published
maybe on June or July. I can answer any question about
that system as well as "oimo" mailer developed by us.

Shigeki Matsushima/JK1RJQ

------------------------------

Date: 18 Sep 1989 06:23-CDT
From: K I Sawyer AFB LMR Mgmnt <[e-mail]>
Subject: ARES/DATA

I saw a recent posting (don't remember if it was here or INFO-HAMS)
about a program called ARES/Data to track emergency services activities
and people.  The posting mentioned a Compuserve address where this
program was available.

Has anyone posted this software elsewhere, like Simtel20, or could
someone do so where it would be available to those of us who do
not have access to Compuserve?

In case this has already been done, could someone please E-mail me
 the address/filename?

Thank you very much.

73,
Michael

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innuendos, flatuations, and any other conceivable or inconceivable
outputs presented here, real, imagined, or implied, simply do not
exist.  The names are real, the stories have been changed due to
simple boredom.
*******************************************************************************


------------------------------

Date: 18 Sep 89 14:21:41 GMT
From: att!cbnewsh![e-mail]  (j.gordon.beattie)
Subject: Distribution + Hierarchical Routing Names

To: all\@allbbs $1609_N2DSY
Fr: J. Gordon Beattie, Jr. N2DSY
Sb: Distribution + Hierarchical Routing Names

I am collecting information for a Amateur Radio directory
service.  The items I am looking for are outlined below, but in
short, please send me the distribution group names and the
hierarchical routing names used in your area.

The results will be posted in all the usual places with the
intention that it will reduce conflicts and help the packet
community evaluate what enhancements are needed to handle future
growth.  It will also provide a few references for folks wishing
to add new names to the list.


I. DISTRIBUTION GROUP NAMES
   Please send in the distribution list names used  in your area
   to distribute bulletins, group messages etc.

Examples of these include:

            "all\@allbbs", "rats", "all\@nynet", etc.

This includes private lists such as "ratsmbr" (rats members).
In the case of distribution group names please include the
current distribution and if there are limitations on who may use
this list when addressing a message.

II. HIERARCHICAL ROUTING
    Please send in the hierarchical routing entries used in
    rfc822-like domain strings found in messages.  These usually
    include a "#" at some point in the string.


III.  WHAT TO SEND IN?

Please send the following information with the entry:

1. Entry

2. Region or group using the entry

3. Responsible individual/club/net
   (include contact information, if known)

3. Systems supporting it
   (if known)

4. An example of how this is used
   (Command lines, sample messages into and out of the
    system performing distribution would be helpful.)

5. The format of the BID associated with the distribution name.
   (e.g. is there a special character sequence used with the
    messages, or is the numeric sequential or a date, etc.)

6. Message type(s) used in conjunction with the group name,
   hierarchical routing designator, etc.
   (e.g. "traffic", "bulletin" "private", etc.)

7. Any notes which would improve understanding.

IV. WHERE TO SEND THE INFORMATION

Send your replies to any of the following:

n2dsy\@kd6th(packet)
n2dsy\@kd6th.nj.usa.hamradio.org.iso (iso/packet)
n2dsy\@hou2d!att.com (internet)
72417,652 (compuserve - use easylink)


If you have any questions or comments send them to me via any of
the email addresses listed above, or call me on the telephone.

Thanks + 73,

J. Gordon Beattie, Jr., N2DSY
201-615-4168(O)
201-387-8896(H)

------------------------------

Date: 18 Sep 89 08:43:43 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: domain.txt info wanted

>What is the format for the domain.txt file used by the KA9Q NOS
>program?

It's essentially identical to the standard format used in ARPA domain name
server database files. Entries are in the form

pc.ka9q.ampr.org.       IN      A       128.96.160.3

Note the trailing dot on the domain name.

If you have a path to a domain server (e.g., a UNIX system running BIND)
you can reference it in your autoexec.net:

domain addserver [server.ip.address]

Then any names you give that aren't already in domain.txt will be forwarded
automatically to the server, and the replies will be appended to the file
for future use. Aging of the entries is not currently supported, so you
should occasionally go in and clean it out with an editor.

Phil

------------------------------

Date: 18 Sep 89 08:39:55 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: Local packet QSOs / dual band rigs?

I also have the IC-3200A. The receiver recovery time with that radio
is overly long. The fix is simple: open up the rig and remove diode
D19 in the audio output stage. This diode biases the output stage off
during transmit, but it is unnecessary because there are other audio
gates ahead of this stage.

Phil

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 89 20:00:14 MDT
From: [e-mail]
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #203
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Thu, 21 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 203

Today's Topics:
                  ARES/DATA
          High-speed packet modems/backbone networks
               internet addresses/ham's
         KA9Q and serial rs232 lines (2 msgs)
             PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #202
              Packet Capability Overseas
            Using ARES-Data with a KAM TNC
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 19 Sep 89 22:16:30 GMT
From: vsi1!wyse![e-mail]  (Steve Wilson xttemp dept303)
Subject: ARES/DATA

In article <[E.ISI.EDU]18-Sep-89.06:23:48.SAC.LWRC-LMR> [e-mail] (K I Sawyer AFB LMR Mgmnt) writes:
>I saw a recent posting (don't remember if it was here or INFO-HAMS)
>about a program called ARES/Data to track emergency services activities
>and people.
> stuff deleted...
>
>73,
>Michael

Mike,

ARESdata was written by N6KL and WN6I for use here in the Santa Clara Valley.
It is essentially a free-form data base hooked up to a tnc.  I believe it
can handle upto 8 connects at a time and requires WA8DED software in your
TNC.  The program should run on any IBM compatible.  I'm pretty sure they
just did a new release of the program in the last couple months.  We use
it here in support of Red Cross operations, and or fire incidents where
we have to keep track of people's names, and their status.  For instance,
you might use it to construct a central data base of people who have
checked into different shelters in a disaster area.  I suspect I can
get you a copy of the latest and greatest if your interested. I'm not
sure if there are any copies on the available servers.  Let me know
if you want me to pursue this.

Steve Wilson KA6S
EC, City of Milpitas

------------------------------

Date: 21 Sep 89 14:33:57 GMT
From: m2c!jjmhome![e-mail]  (D. Pascoe KM3T)
Subject: High-speed packet modems/backbone networks

I would like to get in touch with any and all hams working towards achieving
high-speed packet radio backbone network capabilities.  I would also like to
contact those developing or using commercial high-speed modems for packet.
Or, if you're not doing it but you know of those who are, please respond
directly to me via e-mail and I'll post a summary to the net.

Thanks es 73
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        | Internet: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
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  KM3T/1    | UUCP: {harvard}!m2c!jjmhome!km3t
        | Packet Radio: km3t @ k1ugm.MA

------------------------------

Date: 19 Sep 89 13:13:47 GMT
From: mailrus!sharkey!wyn386![e-mail]  (Daniel Wynalda)
Subject: internet addresses/ham's

In the KA9Q documentation there is given reference to getting an internet
node address in the 46.*.*.* range (a Class A domain reserved for Ham's
I hear??) Anyway, I have KA9Q running on two machines and would like to get
internet addresses for them if at all possible in this domain.

Could someone please mail me an email or US Snail address or even a phone
number of who I should reach to request such a set of numbers?   Actually
I'd probably like to get 3 of them so I can link 3 machines together under
my call here in the area.

            Daniel Wynalda

--
Daniel Wynalda          | Telephone: [phone] X22  Ham: N8KUD
Wynalda Litho Inc.      | Network: [e-mail] ..sharkey!wyn386!danielw
8221 Graphic Ind Pk.    | Diskclaimer:  If you find a disk with no label, it is
Rockford, MI  49341     | the one I lost.  I say what I say for me ONLY here.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 89 19:55 GMT
From: Bergmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

I am having trouble with the KA9Q TCP/IP package for the PC.
Everything seems to work fine on a seriel connect of two IBM's
(SLIP-protokoll) when the baudrate is lower than 4800.  On higher
rates, machines get stuck.  I have tried both, the build in and the
packet driver, none had worked.

Possible errors:

   Modem control on the cable doesnt function (can somebody please
   tell me, how the correct ibm to ibm seriel cable has to look like !!!???)

   something in the network protokoll parameters isnt tuned right for
   the seriel transmission.

I have tried Ethernet (WD8003e) and it works fine !!!!!


If somebody out there in netland is using the KA9Q-Package, please
write me, I think it would save a lot of time and trouble.

H.-J.

================================================================
Hans-Juergen Bergmann
Uni Mainz - Psychology Department
Psychophysiology and Human Factors Group

POB 3980                        Tel   : [phone]
D-6500 Mainz 1                  e-mail: [e-mail]
================================================================

------------------------------

Date: 21 Sep 89 21:54:08 GMT
From: jupiter![e-mail]  (Phil R. Karn)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bergmann) writes:
>I am having trouble with the KA9Q TCP/IP package for the PC.
>Everything seems to work fine on a seriel connect of two IBM's
>(SLIP-protokoll) when the baudrate is lower than 4800.  On higher
>rates, machines get stuck.  I have tried both, the build in and the
>packet driver, none had worked.

If the ONLY difference between a working configuration and a non-working
one is the data rate on the serial link, then the problem is almost
certainly due to characters being lost by the serial controller chips. I
recommend that you try replacing the 8250 or 16450 chips with National
NS16550 chips, which have 16-level FIFOs built into the receiver and
transmitter.

These chips function just like 8250s unless they are explicitly put into
FIFO mode by software. Therefore you need to run a fairly recent "NOS"
version and use the built-in asy driver in order to take advantage of
the FIFO feature. ("Recent" means "within the past few months".) You can
verify that you have the right version when you issue the "asystat"
command because it will mention that a 16550 chip has been detected.

Phil

------------------------------

Date: 20 Sep 89 22:07:00 EDT
From: "SWEIGERT, DAVID" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #202

Does anyone on the net know of any military applications
using packet radio technology, especially in an internet
type configuration ?

WB9VKO



------------------------------

Date: 21 Sep 89 15:58:27 GMT
From: asuvax!mcdphx!hrc!lung![e-mail]  (Mark Gustoff)
Subject: Packet Capability Overseas

I am new to packet radio, and thus have many questions which don't
all seem to be answered by the books I've read so far.

One big interest of mine is the ability to send a friend of mine
text every 3 days or so. This friend of mine happens to be on a
freighter in the Pacific. What are my options in reaching him, if
I am only equipped with a 2M rig and TNC from location here in Arizona.

My friend on the ship is equipped with HF and TNC. Is it possible for
us to keep in touch if I don't have the capability right now for hf?

If there is a way to contact him and stay in touch, would someone detail
to me what steps are needed to be successful in this endeavor.

Are there existing gateways via satellite?

I'm still not active on the air, just because I wish to become more
knowledgeable before jumping in there. I would appreciate any and all
direction by readers of this note.

Tnx & 73 ----WO7T-----Mark


--
Mark Gustoff - WO7T
P.O. Box 42742
Phoenix, AZ 85080

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 89 21:57 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Using ARES-Data with a KAM TNC

Can any Help ... ???
I have a need to run ARES data ... and of course I bought the wrong TNC.
The ARES-Data program came in a week after the TNC arrived. There was a
note from Weo NN6I who stated that the ARES-Data will not run on my new
KAM TNC because there is no 'HOST' mode.

Does anyone know of a work-a-round .. ?? If not is anybody interested in
a bran new KAM TNC that is cabled for KENWOOD ..??

Thanks in advance ...

Fred J. Stellabotte - N2JCD
Computer Systems Manager Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory

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Return-Path: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 89 00:16:36 MDT
From: [e-mail]
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #204
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Tue, 26 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 204

Today's Topics:
                  ARES/Data
           How to log into Marvin callsign server?
      KA9Q 890421.1 XOBBS problem on Microport SysV/286
         KA9Q and serial rs232 lines (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 22 Sep 89 09:59:01 PDT
From: "David W Palmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ARES/Data

Thanks, Steve, for posting the reply about ARES/Data!
You're fast!  Steve's correct: ARES/Data is a computer program
designed to help collect and manage disaster information.
It's has three primary features:

1. It's a database.
2. It's accessible via packet radio from stations in the field.
3. It includes an integrated "conference bridge".

(Small detail is that the new version supports up to 4 TNCs,
each of which may have up to 8 or 32 connects).
For lots more detail, see the posting here on PACKET-RADIO on
1 Sept 89 (Digest V89 #193) which was a copy of ARRL's
GATEWAY Newsletter dated 25 Aug 89 (Gateway Vol 5, No. 24).
Also coming soon to the Proceedings of the 8th ARRL Computer
Networking Conference, and an upcoming W5YI Report.

I'm not familiar with how to upload the program to SIMTEL20,
but if anyone would like to do that, and the kind folks at SIMTEL20
agree, then please do!  Also feel free to place the
program on other file servers or BBS-s.

(For Fred, N2JCD: Sorry about the lack of KAM support.  It'd be
nice if WA8DED host mode were available for all TNCs.  It makes
writing robust AX-25 packet applications much easier!)

We hope you never REALLY need this program.
We hope you have it on hand just in case!

Very 73,   Dave Palmer, N6KL    '[e-mail]'
       Weo Moerner, WN6I


------------------------------

Date: 24 Sep 89 17:54:03 GMT
From: m2c!jjmhome![e-mail]  (D. Pascoe KM3T)
Subject: How to log into Marvin callsign server?

I have been able to Telnet to marvin.cs.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.4) socket 2000 but don't know how to log in.  I have tried all of the common methods (e.g., anonmyous, guest, callsign, etc.) to no avail.  Perhaps I am not actually
getting to socket 2000 (?).

In any case, I get a Unix login prompt (login:), which may mean that I am connecting to marvin.cs.buffalo.edu BUT NOT THE CALLSIGN SERVER.  Does the callsign server respond to remote logins with a custom prompt?

Any help would be appreciated.


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        | Internet: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
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        | Packet Radio: km3t @ k1ugm.MA

------------------------------

Date: 25 Sep 89 05:03:31 GMT
From: nuchat!splut![e-mail]  (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard)
Subject: KA9Q 890421.1 XOBBS problem on Microport SysV/286

I've laid hands on the 890421.1 source code, and have gotten it compiled
on my system, which runs Microport System V/AT (286 version) 2.4 with
DOSMerge.  When I fire it up, though, it complains:
msgget smsgqid:: No such file or directory
This is being issued from axinit(), and is the first msgget call issued.
XOBBS is defined in the makefile.  The error, according to TFM, is that
IPC_CREAT isn't being specified on a message queue create call - but a
cursory examination of the code shows that it is, indeed.  Has anyone
run into this one before?

Please E-mail me; my inbound newsfeed is out for longer than was
expected, and I may or may not see a posted reply before next year.

--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL   | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[e-mail]       (eieio)| adequately be explained by stupidity.
{attctc,bellcore}!texbell!splut!jay +----------------------------------------
           America works less when you say..."Union Yes!"

------------------------------

Date: 23 Sep 89 20:36:34 GMT
From: ubc-cs!van-bc![e-mail]  (Samuel Lam)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
 (Phil R. Karn) wrote:
>I recommend that you try replacing the 8250 or 16450 chips with National
>NS16550 chips, which have 16-level FIFOs built into the receiver and
>transmitter.
>
>These chips function just like 8250s unless they are explicitly put into
>FIFO mode by software.

Do you mean I can physically replace the 8250 on my serial board with
a 16550?  Wouldn't there be some trouble with the difference between
edge and level triggered interrupts?

Has anyone actually tried this, and how did the 16550 perform compared
to the 8250?

I am interested in this because we use KA9Q as an SLIP-Ethernet IP router
here and it runs wonderfully at 2400 but not at all at 9600, and we would
like to run it at the higher speed.

Thank you very much for your time.

...Sam
--
Samuel Lam     <[e-mail]> or {uunet,ubc-cs}!wimsey.bc.ca!skl

------------------------------

Date: 24 Sep 89 02:23:11 GMT
From: ka9q.bellcore.com![e-mail]  (Phil Karn)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Samuel Lam) writes:
>Do you mean I can physically replace the 8250 on my serial board with
>a 16550?  Wouldn't there be some trouble with the difference between
>edge and level triggered interrupts?

Yes, I've done this in my two PCs (one AT and one XT). They work just fine
with amateur packet radio TNCs, but I haven't actually tried it yet in
gateway mode with real SLIP. I set up the receive FIFO in the 16550 to
interrupt at the 1/4 full point, so at 9600 bps the code has an extra 12 ms
to respond to the interrupt. This is a big improvement.

Phil

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 89 15:56:18 MDT
From: [e-mail]
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Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #205
To: [e-mail]

PACKET-RADIO Digest         Thu, 28 Sep 89       Volume 89 : Issue 205

Today's Topics:
               Call sign server
                Heath 4040 TNC
         KA9Q and serial rs232 lines (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 26 Sep 89 22:26:00 EDT
From: "SWEIGERT, DAVID" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Call sign server

Call sign server...

What works for me...

Telnet  128.205.32.4  2000

<prompt: connected>

WB9CALLSIGN  <c/r>

<display of call sign, name, etc..>


  You do not "log-in" you simply enter call sign once connected...


WB9VKO

cheers..



------------------------------

Date: 27 Sep 89 13:43:39 GMT
From: rochester!kodak!eastman!kodak.com![e-mail]  (Paul Gerwitz)
Subject: Heath 4040 TNC

I am posting this for a friend who has no net access.  He has a Heath model
4040 TNC and would like to try running KISS protocol on it.  We think that
it is a TNC-2 compatable machine but are not sure.  Anyone have any
suggestions ??

         Paul   WA2WPI
 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
 | Paul F Gerwitz       | SMTP: [e-mail]                             |
 | Eastman Kodak Co     | UUCP: ..rutgers!rochester!kodak!eastman!gerwitz     |
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------------------------------

Date: 25 Sep 89 13:48:26 GMT
From: asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n390.z1.fidonet.org![e-mail]  (Walt Fair)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

In an article of <23 Sep 89 20:36:34 GMT>, [e-mail] (Samuel Lam) writes:

 SL>..Do you mean I can physically replace the 8250 on my serial board with
 SL>..a 16550?  Wouldn't there be some trouble with the difference between
 SL>..edge and level triggered interrupts?
 SL>..
 SL>..Has anyone actually tried this, and how did the 16550 perform
 SL>..compared
 SL>..to the 8250?

    Yes, it is very common practice on Fidonet systems running
with a 19200 baud interface with the USR HST modems. Without the 16550
chips, some computers have trouble keeping up with the interrupt rate,
resulting in lost characters, etc.

    The procedure to change over is simple. Just get a 16550, pull
the old chip out and plug the new chip in. Then obtain the software
drivers, etc. that will access the special features of the chip.

    I did that here on my landline BBS about 6 months ago or so
and have had no problems. It enables my XT to keep up with the HST
modem with the serial port locked at 19200 baud and saves
significantly on the phone bill. Many other Fidonet mail hubs have
done the same thing.

    Walt
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Date: 27 Sep 89 00:08:56 GMT
From: ndcheg!ndmath!nstar![e-mail]  (Larry Snyder)
Subject: KA9Q and serial rs232 lines

> Do you mean I can physically replace the 8250 on my serial board with
> a 16550?  Wouldn't there be some trouble with the difference between
> edge and level triggered interrupts?

The 16550A is a direct replacement for the 8250 and 16450.

> Has anyone actually tried this, and how did the 16550 perform compared
> to the 8250?

The 16550A chips are worth the cost of the chip in high speed applications
(greater than 9600 baud).  My machines' throughput on the serial lines
increased by 40% after replacing the 16450 chips with 16550A's.

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Larry Snyder                               uucp:iuvax!ndcheg!ndmath!nstar!larry
The Northern Star Usenet Distribution Site                   Notre Dame, IN USA


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