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- PACKET-RADIO Digest Wed, 1 Feb 89 Volume 89 : Issue 31
-
- Today's Topics:
- Packet on 29.050
- World Wide Packet Listings
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 Jan 89 18:35:43 GMT
- From: tektronix!tekecs!mhorne%ka7axd.GWD.TEK.COM@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey)
- Subject: Packet on 29.050
-
- >I seem to remember an FCC rule stating 1200 baud packet is legal at 28 MHz
- >and above. Could someone confirm this?
-
- I guess I'll answer it myself :)
-
- From the FCC Rules, subpart C, section 97.69:
-
- "(a) The use of the digital codes specified in paragraph (b) of this section
- is permitted on any amateur frequency where F1B emission is permitted, subject
- to the following requirements:
-
- "(1) The sending speed shall not exceed the following:
-
- 1) 300 baud on frequencies below 28 MHz;
- 2) 1200 baud on frequencies between 28 and 50 MHz;
- .
- .
- .
-
- "(2) When type A2B, F1B, F2B emissions are used on frequencies below 50 MHz,
- the radio or audio frequency shift...shall not exceed 1000 Hz...
-
- Now this tends to imply that 1200 bps packet is legal on the 28 - 28.3 MHz
- subband as long as the frequency shift is <= 1KHz. Since Bell 202 uses a
- 1200-2200 Hz pair, the use of "standard" 1200 baud packet on 10M is legal,
- correct? Can anyone provide sufficient evidence to counter this argument?
-
- Mike
-
- Michael T. Horne - KA7AXD Interactive Technologies Division, Tektronix, Inc.
- mhorne@orca.gwd.tek.com (503) 685-2077
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 31 Jan 89 20:05:29 EST
- From: D H Bennett AMCRM-FTM <dbennett%amc1@amc-hq.arpa>
- Subject: World Wide Packet Listings
-
- I have had some complain that the stats listing I have been putting out is
- wrong. You are correct. As long as people do not provide me with information
- then the listings will be either outdated or wrong. If you want your
- Country included PLEASE send the information to me on the Digi or PBBS`s
- callsign, city, country, freq, etc etc. I will make sure that its included
- in the database file. If you want a copy of the files its available on
- Compserve, SIMTEL20, my land line BBS (703-680-5970), or by sending me
- a disk, mailer and postage. I have been sending lots of copies overseas
- and stateside. A large number of these persons dont even acknowledge
- that they received the disks or help with the updates. Of course those
- who do help out I extend my thanks for helping make the listing one of
- the most accurate and up-to-date listings of Digipeaters and PBBS`s in
- the World.
-
- 73`s Don Bennett
- 15016 Carlsbad Road
- Woodbridge, Va 22193 USA
-
- ------------------------------
-
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- PACKET-RADIO Digest Wed, 1 Feb 89 Volume 89 : Issue 32
-
- Today's Topics:
- gateway 1/6/89
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Feb 89 08:47:46 GMT
- From: osu-cis!n8emr!gws@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Sanders )
- Subject: gateway 1/6/89
-
- ==============================================================
- | Relayed from packet radio via |
- | N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-457-4227 (1200/2400/19.2 telebit,8N1) |
- ==============================================================
-
- Gateway: The ARRL Packet Radio Newsletter
-
- Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, Editor
-
- Volume 5, Number 8 January 6, 1989
-
- PORTABLE PACKET-RADIO STATIONS SENT TO ASSIST USSR EARTHQUAKE RELIEF EFFORT
-
- On December 9, the ARRL telexed the president of the Radio Sports
- Federation of the USSR (RSF), Yuri Zubarev, to express the League's
- condolences concerning the Armenian earthquake and to offer assistance.
- A direct reply was not immediately received, which was hardly surprising
- given the situation; however, on the following Monday, the ARRL learned
- from QST columnist Vern Riportella, WA2LQQ, that he had an electronic mail
- link through San Francisco-Moscow Teleport, Inc, with Leonid Labutin,
- UA3CR, in Moscow who was responsi- ble for radio communications in support
- of the the relief effort under the aegis of the Young Communist League.
- Leo is known to North Americans by virtue of his involvement in the joint
- Canadian-Soviet SKITREK earlier this year and his long involvement in the
- amateur satellite program (including attendance at the AMSAT Space
- Symposium held in Atlanta in November; see Gateway, Volume 5, Number 6).
- Through Rip, Leo requested assistance in the form of portable packet- radio
- stations and technical experts who could help the Soviets develop their
- fledgling packet-radio network on a crash basis in response to the
- emergency.
-
- Rip immediately set to work, maintaining close coordination with ARRL
- Headquarters at every step of the way. Donations of equipment were lined
- up from the Tandy Corporation (six Model 102 laptop computers), Yaesu USA
- (six FT-23R 2-meter transceivers) and AEA (six PK-88 TNCs, a PK-232 data
- controller and six HotRod antennas). The donations were shipped to ARRL
- Headquarters and our lab crew spent much of December 15-16 making up cables
- to integrate the donated equipment into six complete, separate packet-radio
- stations. A supply of batteries and some other accessories were added to
- the shipment.
-
- On December 17, ARRL Executive Vice President Dave Sumner, K1ZZ, met Rip
- halfway between Newington and Kennedy Airport to turn the gear over to him.
- It appeared it might be carried to Moscow as checked baggage that afternoon
- by some Soviet scientists, however, that opportunity did not occur until
- December 23, when it was put aboard Pan Am flight 74.
-
- The equipment arrived in Moscow the morning of Christmas Eve and it was
- deployed immediately. Leo conveyed his heartfelt thanks to ARRL and
- everyone involved.
-
- In response to the request for packet-radio technical experts, the ARRL was
- able to identify two well-qualified volunteers who were willing to donate
- their time to make the trek and who were young and healthy enough to endure
- whatever hardship might await them. However, as time went on (and as often
- happens in disaster situations), the apparent need for their assistance
- diminished, the League suspended its efforts to obtain visas for them.
- Through Leo, the ARRL assured the RSF that it would be pleased to send such
- a team to the USSR to assist with packet-radio development at their
- invitation in the future.
-
- Telephone, telex and electronic mail communications has been available to
- both Moscow and Armenia throughout this period and the League has used
- these communications channels extensively. Rip's electronic mail
- connection is being used for volumes of outbound traffic to concerned
- relatives in the US and its delivery is being handled by Armenian- American
- organizations (the NTS is available if required).
-
- Earlier this week, ARRL President Larry Price, W4RA, received a reply from
- Mr. Zubarev thanking the ARRL for its concern and indicating that there was
- a continuing need for portable and fixed VHF-FM equipment. The ARRL is
- seeing what can be done in the way of further response.
-
- by Luck Hurder, KY1T @ KY1T, Deputy Manager, Field Services Dept, ARRL
-
- PORTABLE UOSAT OSCAR-11 STATION TESTED
-
- The Digital Communication Experiment (DCE) aboard the University of Surrey
- UO-11 satellite was designed to be a demonstration of the store-and-forward
- concept utilizing low earth orbiting satellites. This experiment is the
- forerunner to the MicroSat/UoSAT satellites to be launched late next year.
- The concept of storing messages and then having another station on the
- other side of the world retrieve them has been successfully demonstrated
- with UO-11 and the various DCE sta- tions around the world.
-
- Jeff Ward, K8KA/G0, has reported that a new experiment using the DCE has
- shown that a completely portable station, free from commercial power and
- fixed antenna structures, has further demonstrated the usefulness of the
- DCE and future MicroSat/PACSAT satellites. This portable station was built
- by University of Surrey engineer Victor van der Zel and has been operated
- successfully on several occasions. The station consists of a Kenwood 721,
- transmitting on 2 meters and receiving on 70 cm, and a G3RUH demodulator.
- With the built in digital EIA RS-232-C interface on the 721, Victor has
- been able to interface it with a Toshiba 1100 laptop computer to control
- frequency to compensate for Doppler shift. The antennas are homebrewed 3-
- element quads which are manually pointed and are designed to be easily
- assembled. With this station it is now possible to investigate the
- emergency communications possibilities of the future series of
- MicroSat/PACSAT/UoSAT satellites from remote locations. The information
- learned from this experimental station and the DCE experiment will help
- designers of future Amateur Radio satellites.
-
- from AMSAT News Service
-
-
- HEATH'S POCKET PACKET TNCS DONATED FOR USE IN SHUTTLE
-
- Two representatives from Heath Company recently presented three HK-21
- Pocket Packet TNCs to the NASA Johnson Space Center Amateur Radio Club in
- Houston for use in a proposed experiment on a future space shuttle flight.
-
- Wayne Wilson, WB8TSO, product line manager for Heath's Amateur Radio
- products, and Ron Linczer, manager of marketing communications, attended
- the November 17 meeting of the Johnson Space Center Amateur Radio Club. At
- the meeting, WB8TSO discussed the products Heath has introduced over the
- last year and described the DXpedition that he and Heath Manager, Denton
- Bramwell, K7OWJ, recently made to Taipei, Taiwan (see Gateway, Volume 5,
- Number 4).
-
- The primary purpose of the presentation was the donation of three Heath
- HK-21 Pocket Packet TNCs for use on the Shuttle Amateur Radio Experiment
- (SAREX) proposed for a flight in March 1990. If the project is approved,
- NASA will mount one of the TNCs into the SAREX casing unit to meet the
- rigors of space travel and will modify it slightly for use in zero gravity.
-
- "We enjoyed meeting the club members and were treated to an impressive tour
- of the center and the club's recently renovated ham shack," Linczer said.
- "We at Heath are excited by the advances in space and see the exposure
- Amateur Radio received through SAREX and OSCAR as a means of attracting
- new, young amateurs."
-
- PC*PACKET TCP/IP SOFTWARE AVAILABLE
-
- Digital Radio Systems, Inc (DRSI) has announced the availability of TCP/IP
- for its PC*Packet Adapter. It is based on Version 122587.33 of KA9Q's
- TCP/IP software and has been enhanced with AX.25 mailbox and NET/ROM
- support by Daniel Frank, W9NK. It also includes "Bdale's Messy Mailer" by
- Bdale Garbee, N3EUA.
-
- TCP/IP is available free on request to all PC*Packet owners and will be
- included at no charge with all new units shipped starting December 19. An
- archive file containing the software and preconfigured support files has
- been uploaded to CompuServe's HamNet and will also be available from
- various landline BBSs.
-
- from Andy Demartini, KC2FF, via CompuServe's HamNet
-
- TERM.EXE VERSION 1.0B17 READY
-
- Version 1.0B17 of the shareware packet-radio terminal program, TERM.EXE, is
- now available from CompuServe's HamNet and from its author Lynn Taylor,
- WB6UUT (463 Myrtle St, Laguna Beach, CA 92651). This program runs on IBM
- PCs, XTs, ATs, PS/2s and compatibles and is intended for use with AEA's
- PK-87, PK-88 and PK-232 TNCs. The new version provides improved support of
- the PK-88.
-
- XEROX PBBS SOFTWARE VERSION 12.4 READY
-
- Version 12.4 of the Xerox PBBS code is now available. The main enhancement
- of this version is a multiuser configuration allowing several Xerox 820
- computers to be linked together over the printer serial ports. The system
- may also be configured as it was originally, if so desired. The release
- also contains a fix for a nasty bug in BID forwarding which, under certain
- conditions, would forward previously flagged-as-forwarded BID items. As in
- the past, due to the customized CBIOS used, this code will only run on
- Xerox machines, not on other CP/M machines.
-
- If you would like a copy of the code which includes the December 1988 W9ZRX
- PBBS list, please send two 8-inch disks with a self-addressed, stamped
- disk-mailer to:
-
- John Bennett, N4XI
- 5805 Whitethorne Dr
- Evansville, IN 47710
-
- Those of you who want EPROMs blasted for the auto-boot code should send
- them to N4XI as well.
-
- Please note that Michael Anderson, KA9LQM, is no longer handling any
- distributions for N4XI.
-
- (It has been discovered that some early releases of Version 12.4 have a bug
- in the source code of BIOSVID.INC. At the label CRTBEL, the following
- appears in the buggy releases of the software:
-
- crtbel: cmpm lancon,true
- call z,pu2no
-
- It should read as follows:
-
- crtbel: if pislan
- cmpm lancon,true
- call z,pu2no
- endif
-
- The fatal error will occur if anything other than PISLAN is set to true
- under the printer port options. If the long menu comes up with Version
- 12.3 displayed at the top, it is that release that has the problem.)
-
- from John Bennett, N4XI @ N4XI
-
- TEXAS PACKET RADIO MEETING HELD
-
- On November 19-20, the Heart of Texas Ham Operating Group hosted the Brady
- II packet-radio meeting in Brady, Texas, which was attended by the major
- owners, operators and SYSOPs of networking nodes and mailboxes/PBBSs in
- Texas. Packet-radio meetings at Brady are unstructured, open-ended and
- unaffiliated and the following topics were discussed.
-
- 145.01 MHz Network - One major area of concern was that the existing single
- frequency network on 145.01 MHz is overworked. This is the result of
- demanding more from a single frequency network than it can provide. With
- the growth in span of the '01' network and the number of PBBSs operating
- over it, the only palatable choice is to further limit the traffic flow
- over the network. This is not a solution to the problem - only multiport,
- multifrequency networks will do that - but a treatment of the symptom.
-
- The following items were adopted by the mailbox/PBBS operators that were
- present :
-
- 1. That bulletins would be forwarded only between 2400-0600 Central Time.
-
- 2. Quiet time will continue between 1800-2400 Central Time.
-
- 3. No polled reverse-forwarding is permitted.
-
- 4. PACLEN and MAXFRAME should be adjusted so as to not overload the path in
- use.
-
- 5. Forwarding times should be better coordinated to eliminate multiple
- forwardings.
-
- 6. Assist in identifying and discouraging habitual "PBBS DXers." This is an
- area that all need to participate in and solve by education.
-
- 7. No direct PBBS-PBBS connects should be permitted on node frequencies
- except during a node failure.
-
- Networking - One big news item since Brady I is the activation of TexNet
- from Rockport to Dallas. It is believed to be the longest dedicated
- 9600-baud RF backbone (over 600 miles) and it would appear that expansion
- of the 145.01-MHz network has been completed except to "plug" the
- occasional hole. A commitment was made to meet Houston Area Packet Radio
- Society efforts to backbone the existing 446.1-MHz nodes into San Antonio
- and Seguin, Texas. There is wide support for going to 4800 bauds using the
- HAPN modems for the NET/ROM 440-MHz backbones. No decision was made,
- pending the arrival of several test units. The Texas Packet Radio Society
- (TPRS) 9600-baud modem will probably not be used since virtually all the
- 440-MHz radios in use are PLL-based and the 9600-baud modems provide for
- direct FSK of crystals.
-
- NET/ROM Parameters - As experience grows, so do the methods and manner of
- setting parameters. The consensus at this point is to leave routing open,
- but to fix neighbor routes and set the first seven parameters as
- 75(50)-100-100-255-5-4-3600 with some adjusting to be done on parameters
- 5-6-7.
-
- TexNet - Some discussion on possibly modifying TexNet software to provide
- better interfacing to NET/ROM nodes, accommodating TCP/IP and relieving the
- problem of non-multiconnects for the DX clusters, was made and deserves
- study by the TPRS TexNet Support Group.
-
- TPRS - Brady I expressed a consensus on widening the TPRS role in all
- aspects of packet radio in Texas and the ensuing months have certainly
- shown a major shift in that direction, most notably in the TPRS Quarterly
- Report and the action to change the number of TPRS directors from three to
- five, providing the opportunity for wider representation of the
- packet-radio community in general and the membership (over 300) of TPRS, in
- particular.
-
- by Harry Ridenour, N0CCW, via Greg Jones, WD5IVD
-
-
- NORD><LINK ASSOCIATION ESTABLISHED
-
- The NORD><LINK association was established as a nonprofit organization to
- promote digital communication techniques and digital networks when 21
- members signed an agreement of association on November 26-27. The latest
- NORD><LINK developments are TheNet networking software Version 1.05 and
- TheFirmware Version 2.1d for the dual-port Pac-Comm TNC-220. Questions or
- comments concerning NORD><LINK should be sent with an SASE and/or IRCs to:
-
- NORD><LINK
- c/o Hans Georg Giese, DF2AU
- Hinter dem Berge 5
- D-3300 Braunschweig
- Federal Republic of Germany
-
- from AMSAT News Service
-
-
- TEN-METER PACKET RADIO
-
- Recently, the Gateway desk has received messages indicating that a lot of
- hams are having a great time using packet radio on 10 meters. Every day
- the sunspot count becomes more favorable for propagation on 10 meters and
- DX is easy with only a peanut whistle for a transmitter and a 16-foot hunk
- of wire cut in half for an antenna. Some folks have admitted using packet
- radio up in the 29-MHz segment of the band and some have also admitted to
- 10-meter packeting in the FM mode. Problem is that such activity is
- illegal. According to FCC regulations, packet radio is only permissible in
- the 28.000-28.300-MHz subband of 10 meters and F1B (FSK) is the only
- permissible mode for packet radio at those frequencies [refer to sections
- 97.69(a) and 97.61(a) of the FCC regulations.] See you on 28.105!
-
- GATEWAY CONTRIBUTIONS
-
- Submissions for publication in Gateway are welcome. You may submit
- material via the US mail to:
-
- Gateway
- Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU
- 75 Kreger Drive
- Wolcott, CT 06716-2702
-
- or electronically, via CompuServe to user ID 70645,247. Via telephone,
- your editor can be reached on evenings and weekends at 203- 879-1348 and he
- can switch a modem on line to receive text at 300, 1200 or 2400 bauds.
-
- The deadline for each issue of Gateway is the Saturday preceding the issue
- date (which is typically a Friday).
-
- REPRODUCTION OF GATEWAY MATERIAL
-
- Material may be excerpted from Gateway without prior permission, provided
- that the original contributor is credited and Gateway is identified as the
- source.
-
- ------------------------------
-
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- 2-Feb-89 01:57:52-MST,3921;000000000000
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- From: PACKET-RADIO-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
- Reply-To: PACKET-RADIO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
- Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #33
- To: PACKET-RADIO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
-
- PACKET-RADIO Digest Thu, 2 Feb 89 Volume 89 : Issue 33
-
- Today's Topics:
- Administrivia
- AK1A and MBL/RLI on one machine
- Information Needed
- nord link and The Net
- TCP/IP Address listing needed
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1989 01:13 MST
- From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
- Subject: Administrivia
-
- There have been increasing instances of Internet readers of Packet-Radio
- Digest using the "reply" function of their mail programs to post to
- this mailing list. The result is meaningless "Subject:" headers
- giving the Digest name and number instead of the real subject.
-
- Please make sure you have a meaningful subject line in the header.
- If you need an "undigestify" program to break the digest down into
- individual messages so you can "reply" to them, let me know. I have
- source code in "C" language available.
-
- I have been receiving messages intended for the mailing list. Make
- sure you use Packet-Radio@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL as the address, not the
- Packet-Radio-Request address.
-
- --Keith Petersen <Packet-Radio-Request@WSMR-Simtel20.Army.Mil>
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 1 Feb 89 09:54 CST
- From: <S1H1420%TAMSIGMA.BITNET@UICVM.uic.edu> (Steve Hicks, 845-8964/764-7924)
- Subject: AK1A and MBL/RLI on one machine
-
- Has anyone tried running AK1A DX Cluster software and a BBS like W0RLI
- or WA7MBL in diferent windows in say, DESQview or DoubleDOS?
-
- 73/Steve WD5EMG
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 1 Feb 89 13:13:13 EST
- From: D H Bennett AMCRM-FTM <dbennett@amc1>
- Subject: Information Needed
-
- I have been maintaining a World Wide Listing of Digipeaters and Packet
- Bulletin Boards for over 2 years and am still in need of Overseas
- information. If you see any Digi/PBBS listing in your country PLEASE
- pass it along. This information is used by the International Community
- for passing PBBS traffic between countries. Either send it to
- packet-radio@simtel20.army.mil or dbennett@amc-hq. If you want to
- send it to me via packet radio then send it to K4NGC @ K4NGC or
- K4NGC @ K4NGC.VA.USA.NA. Your HELP is much needed.
-
- Don Bennett (K4NGC)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 1 Feb 89 13:16:00 EST
- From: Mark Bramwell 519 661-3714 <julian!business.uwo.ca!MBramwel@uunet.UU.NET>
- Subject: nord link and The Net
-
- I have read the 'independent' review of the Nord<>Link Net Rom scandal.
- I found the review to be quite interesting reading. My only question is
- how you can point the finger at Nord<>Link?? All you have determined is
- that the two pieces of code are identical. Who is to say which one was
- created first? Who ever gets it to market first is not neccessarily the
- 'original' author. I have no personal interest in either software package
- other than the fact that I might burn my on TNC2 ROM.
-
- Congrats on an excellant review, but please don't condemn them yet.
-
- de VE3PZR.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 1 Feb 89 13:02:07 EST
- From: D H Bennett AMCRM-FTM <dbennett%amc1@amc-hq.arpa>
- Subject: TCP/IP Address listing needed
-
- I have had a request from Italy asking for the assigned TCP/IP address
- for Italy. Does anyone know the person in California who is maintaining
- this list and could they make it available on this forum. I would be
- interested in the international listing also.
-
- 73's Don (K4NGC)
-
- ------------------------------
-
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- 3-Feb-89 01:58:51-MST,1137;000000000000
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- Date: Fri, 3 Feb 89 01:30:25 MST
- From: PACKET-RADIO-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
- Reply-To: PACKET-RADIO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
- Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #34
- To: PACKET-RADIO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
-
- PACKET-RADIO Digest Fri, 3 Feb 89 Volume 89 : Issue 34
-
- Today's Topics:
- PORTABLE UOSAT OSCAR-11 STATION TESTED
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 2 Feb 89 08:46:53 cst
- From: celmquist@aring.eta.com
- Subject: PORTABLE UOSAT OSCAR-11 STATION TESTED
-
- From the Gateway dated 1/6/89:
-
- > The station consists of a Kenwood 721,
- >transmitting on 2 meters and receiving on 70 cm, and a G3RUH demodulator.
-
- Since the Ken 721 is an FM rig, does this imply that the MicroSats will use
- FM for up and downlinks? Or did Mr. van der Zel significantly modify said
- radio? Or is he just using FM for the experiments...?
-
- Just curious...
-
- Chris N0JCF
-
- ------------------------------
-
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- 4-Feb-89 01:54:49-MST,6570;000000000000
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- Date: Sat, 4 Feb 89 01:31:04 MST
- From: PACKET-RADIO-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
- Reply-To: PACKET-RADIO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
- Subject: PACKET-RADIO Digest V89 #35
- To: PACKET-RADIO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
-
- PACKET-RADIO Digest Sat, 4 Feb 89 Volume 89 : Issue 35
-
- Today's Topics:
- A comment on the NETROM/TheNet review by T.M. Allen
- TNC request
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 3 Feb 89 20:13:59 EST
- From: mgb@tecnet-clemson.arpa
- Subject: A comment on the NETROM/TheNet review by T.M. Allen
-
- I have just finished reading this very comprehensive review and my
- initial reaction was: "Ah oh, looks like there is no doubt about
- TheNet being a direct copy of NET/ROM now". But then I read the
- article over again, and then over again and I came up with some
- questions. Is anyone else thinking along these lines or am I just
- paranoid?
-
- The text below contains some quotes taken from Thomas M. Allen's
- (WA6IGY) review of NET/ROM and TheNet.
-
- >During the late summer of 1988, I obtained the source files of NET/ROM 1.3
- >from the author and the source files of TheNet version 1.0/1.1 from local
- >sources in order to do an independent comparison in light of claims by
- >Software 2000 of copyright infringement by the Northern German Packet
- >Group NORD><LINK.
-
- And then later on.....
-
- >There is no possibility that the source programs for NET/ROM were obtained
- >by NordLink as they had never left the author's house until the electronic
- >version was loaned to me for review.
-
- Interesting... How in the world did this gent manage to get the source
- files from Ronald Raikes? Did Thomas just walk in the door and say
- "hey I want to do a software comparison for you, how about lending me
- the source code?" Ummmm, I don't think so.
-
- Meaning no disrespect to Thomas Allen, but just what is his relationship
- to Ronald Raikes? It seems that Ronald must trust Thomas very much
- considering how closely guarded this source code has been until now.
-
- >Although I am a packet enthusiast, I have no connection with Software 2000
- >nor any proprietary interest in NET/ROM.
-
- Ok, fine. What this means is that Thomas wasn't paid for this report and
- that he is not in the employ of Software 2000. It kinda makes you believe
- that Thomas is a completely neutral observer doesn't it?
-
- The article goes on to describe the painstaking efforts the author went
- through to do a complete analysis of the two software packages, the
- results, and how long it took him to do it. Well.... I saw representatives
- from Software 2000 screaming bloody murder about software piracy on
- THIS NET, just DAYS after TheNet was released. How did these people come
- to such a quick decision when it took Thomas so long to do this study?
- It seems clear to me that either Software 2000 condemned Nord><Link and
- TheNet without a careful comparison, or Thomas is just very slow and
- pretty dumb. Since I happen to think that Thomas is one pretty smart
- cookie with one whale of a lot of ability, I guess that only leaves
- me with one answer. And again I wonder what the relationship is between
- the author of this review and Ronald Raikes?
-
-
- >It is my conclusion, and I believe would be the conclusion of any rational
- >reviewer, that TheNet is not an original development but rather a direct
- >copy of NET/ROM. This exercise has left no question in my mind about the
- >method that NordLink used to make their "original" design fully compatible
- >with NET/ROM.
-
- By now I kinda expected this would be the answer. Question: How do you get
- the status to become "a rational reviewer"? I think I'm fairly rational,
- can you loan me the source code Ron so that I may do an "independent
- review?" For that matter, why not publish NET/ROM's source code? If TheNet
- is a perfect copy anyway, why not publish NET/ROM's and allow EVERYBODY to
- make a review?
-
- >Rather than start with the description of the layer protocols and the
- >routing table, and then independently design and build a compatible
- >product (as the author hoped somebody would),
-
- Sorry, I don't believe that. Based on the rhetoric I've read from reps
- of Software 2000, some of the marketing techniques that I've observed,
- and how violent their accusations can be (Remember Software 2000 likening
- Nord><Link to sleazy characters on the streets of New York selling Rolex
- watches?) I have to believe that Software 2000 desires a complete monopoly
- on anything that plugs into a TNC and comes close to speaking NETROM.
-
- Finally I have a question. How is the legal battle coming with Software
- 2000 and Nord><Link? Isn't that the place where this whole issue should
- REALLY be decided? I haven't heard anything about that at all or if there
- even is a "battle" being prepared. I just keep seeing accusations being
- posted on this net, and up to now those accusations have been pretty cheap
- and VERY nasty. This time at least we have a very well written report
- that keeps the cheap shots to a minimum, and honestly if this was the
- first thing that I had ever read on this issue I might be thinking very
- differently right now, but as it is I am just a little bit suspicious.
-
-
- Mark Bitterlich (WA3JPY)
- mgb@tecnet-clemson.arpa
-