World of Ham Radio 1994 January/AMSOFT_1994.iso/packet/docs/pd198802.doc

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From:   VE7CIM@VE7VHF>VE7RGS packet gateway
Date:   31-JAN-1988 11:44
To:     I-Pacrad
Subj:   KAM and MBL problem.

Reply to: [e-mail] ov via I-Pacrad.

Sysops, I'm running MBL 320 software and a KAM.  Does anyone know how to
get the MBL software to beacon the mail list on both VHF and HF ports of
the KAM.  Connect is no problem with V2.8 and MAXUsers set at 0/0.

Thanks, Bill  VE7CIM,  SYSOP VE7VHF
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From: "John Heaton 061-275-6011;0204-654564" <[e-mail]>
Address:    UMRCC Network Unit (Room G45) University of Manchester Oxford Road
        MANCHESTER M13 9PL Eng
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Subject:    re: TCP addressing


In the message from G0CNR, he states that the British telephone numbering
system could not be used for TCP addressing as the numbers are not a standard
length. This is basically true, but there are serveral BBS networks accessible
from the UK that use the telephone number as a standard account number/address.

If all spaces are removed the the number will always be ten characters long.

 i.e        061-275 6011    becomes   0612756011
        0204-654564               0202654564
        0777-818 527              0777818527

There are odd occaisions where the full telephone number, including STD code
is 11 characters long, but since all STD codes start with a zero the number
is truncated on the left.


John        G1YYH

    G1YYH@G3VOM  :   144.650Mhz


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From: uunet!mcvax!unido!rmi![e-mail] (RMI Net)
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Posted: Sun Jan 31 12:14:02 1988


I think, Phil Karns thought of automagically routed mail is
wonderful. I have the newest TCP/IP here in Aachen and just
wrote a letter via packet to him. I have no problem in
dealing with 'just knowing the port to route'. I only have
438.100 MHz. Lets see how it will automagically reach Phil.

(May be the letter will automagically reach my SUN an be get
rerouted ???)

Rupert

DL3NO


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From: Henry Minsky <[e-mail]>
Subject: Wide bandwidth transcievers for digital communication?
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It looks like off-the-shelf VHF and UHF transcievers don't have
wide enough bandwidth inputs and outputs for transmitting and
recieving 56 Kb data.

 Can someone tell me what the 56Kb modem people are thinking of using
for RF transmitting and receiving? Is there any currently designed
equiptment that some manufacturer could mass produce?

Also, for using satellites as repeaters for packet, what can be done to
compensate for doppler shift? Do we need to have frequency synthesized
transmitters and recievers with extremely fast and precise locking to
constantly retune to track the frequency, or is there some better approach?

Henry, N1EZP


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From: ucsd![e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Subject: Amateur radio IP address assignments

Below is an INFORMAL list of the current assignments of IP addresses
for the AMateur Packet Radio NETwork (AMPRNET).

Addresses are assigned (or "coordinated", if you prefer) by regional
coordinators, each of which is given a block of addresses from the
24 assignable bits of the 32 bit internet address 44.x.x.x that
has been assigned to our network by the NIC.

The NIC is still debating which, if any, of the current top-level
domains the ham radio network should use to assign hostnames.  We
have chosen to use 'AMPR' as the second-level domain and callsigns
for hostnames or third-level domains, thus if the top level domain
turns out to be "ZAP", then my home station would be named
WB6CYT.AMPR.ZAP, and one of the computers here might be pc.WB6CYT.AMPR.ZAP
or something like that.  Since we can omit the common higher-level
parts of the domain name whilst we're in the same domain, hams
would just address each other by their callsigns, which somehow
seems perfectly natural.

This network is not authorized for connection to the Darpa Internet,
although we hope to have mail gateways someday.

I'll be posting a better list of hosts and a complete list of
regional coordinators in a few weeks when I get them whipped into
shape.  If you need an IP address so badly you can taste it, drop
me a line.  I'll refer you to your local coordinator, if one exists,
or else I'll appoint you to the job [snicker].

By the way, if you're on the list below and I've got something wrong,
let me know - and let your local coordinator know too, since that's
where I get this info.

    Brian Kantor    WB6CYT  UC San Diego   [e-mail]

44.xxx.xxx.xxx * AMPRNET Amateur Packet Radio TCP/IP Internet Addresses
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

44.000.000.xxx - U.S.A.
--------

44.4.0.0        all-norcal      # (possible broadcast address)
44.4.0.1        norcal          # Master NorCal gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.16       PaloAlto-gw     # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.17       N6JLJ-1         # Home -- Palo Alto
44.4.0.18       N6JLJ           # Work -- Mountain View (ADS)
44.4.0.19       KI6WS           # Home -- Mountain View
44.4.0.20       KI6WS-2         # Work -- Mountain View (ADS)
44.4.0.21       N6IA            # Home -- Mountain View
44.4.0.22       W6JHJ           # Home -- Mountain View
44.4.0.23       N6GAL           # Home -- Mountain View
44.4.0.24       WA6AOD          # Home -- Palo Alto
44.4.0.25       WA6AZP          # Home -- Menlo Pk(->Palo Alto?)
44.4.0.26       WD0DNM          # Home -- Mountain View
44.4.0.27       WD0DNM-1        # Work -- Mountain View (ADS)
44.4.0.28       WA6VZZ          # Home -- Mountain View
44.4.0.29       KA6M            # Home -- Palo Alto
44.4.0.30       K6GAF           # Home -- Palo Alto
44.4.0.32       Sunnyvale-gw    # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.33       WB6ECE          # Home -- Los Altos
44.4.0.36       WB6ASR-3        # Home -- Los Altos
44.4.0.37       N6FQR           # Home -- Los Altos
44.4.0.38       KA7EXM-2        # Home -- Sunnyvale
44.4.0.39       N6OIM-2         # Home -- Los Altos
44.4.0.40       KB6FEC          # Home -- Sunnyvale
44.4.0.41       K6DRJ           # Home -- Los Altos
44.4.0.44       N6BIS           # Home -- Sunnyvale
44.4.0.48       Stanford-gw     # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.49       W6YX            # Stanford's Internet gateway
44.4.0.50       N9FZX           # Home (Stanford?)
44.4.0.64       Sacramento-gw   # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.65       n6qcs
44.4.0.65       KB6DMA-3        # Sacramento (near Carmichael)
44.4.0.66       K6RTV-0         # Citrus Heights (home)
44.4.0.67       K6RTV-1         # Sacramento (office)
44.4.0.68       WW6B            # Sacramento
44.4.0.69       WA6LZO          # Rough & Ready (near Grass Valley)
44.4.0.70       N6DBT           # Citrus Heights (home)
44.4.0.71       WB6PON          # Rancho Cordova (home)
44.4.0.80       Livermore-gw    # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.81       WA6FWW          # Livermore(?)
44.4.0.82       W6FAK           # Home -- Pleasanton
44.4.0.96       SanJose-gw      # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.97       N6KL            # Home -- Campbell
44.4.0.98       WN6I            # Home -- San Jose(?)
44.4.0.99       AJ6T            # Home -- San Jose
44.4.0.100      WB6RAL-3        # Home -- San Jose
44.4.0.102      AI8A            # Home -- San Jose
44.4.0.103      W6AMT-9         # San Jose
44.4.0.104      WB6W            # Home -- Milpitas
44.4.0.105      WD6E            # Home -- Saratoga
44.4.0.106      WA4OTJ          # Home -- Milpitas
44.4.0.112      RedwoodCity-gw  # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.113      KB6FED          # Home -- Redwood City
44.4.0.114      KB6FVA          # Home -- Redwood City
44.4.0.115      AA6ER           # Home -- San Mateo
44.4.0.116      KI6NA           # Home -- Foster City
44.4.0.117      N6QMY           # Home -- Redwood City
44.4.0.128      Stockton-gw     # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.144      Berkeley-gw     # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.145      WD6CMU          # Home -- Richmond
44.4.0.148      K3MC            # Home -- Berkeley
44.4.0.149      K3MC            # Home -- Berkeley (LAN)
44.4.0.150      K3MC            # Home -- Berkeley (LAN)
44.4.0.151      K3MC            # Home -- Berkeley (LAN)
44.4.0.160      SanFrancisco-gw # Subnet gateway -- DNE
44.4.0.161      N6PGH           # Home -- San Francisco
44.4.0.162      WA9LOZ          # Home -- San Francisco
44.8.0.0        SAN
44.8.0.1        WB6CYT                  # Brian Kantor, San Diego CA
44.8.0.2        WB6HHV
44.8.0.3        KA6IQA
44.8.0.4        WB6KDT sdcsvax.ucsd.edu
44.8.0.5        N6NKF                   # Franklin Antonio
44.8.0.6        WA2QMI
44.8.0.7        WA2VFN
44.8.0.8        KB5MU
44.8.0.9        WA6SMN                  # Mark Edwards
44.8.0.10       KA6IQA-2
44.8.0.11       KA6IQA-3
44.8.0.12       KA6IQA-4
44.8.0.13       WB7TRH
44.8.0.14       KB6QH
44.8.0.15       KD6QI
44.8.0.20       xenix.wa6smn
44.8.0.101      3b2.wb6cyt
44.8.0.102      pc.wb6cyt
44.8.0.103      sun.wb6cyt
44.8.0.104      unix-pc.wb6cyt
44.8.0.186      ps186.wb6cyt
#
#       Eastern Washington Amateur Packet Radio Network
#       Maintainer:     Michael T. Horne - KA7AXD
#                       A103 Steptoe Village
#                       Pullman, WA 99163
#                       [phone]
#
44.12.0.0       EWAnet
#
#       Pullman, WA, hosts:
#
44.12.0.1       tek.ka7axd ka7axd               # mhorne, thorne, gsands
44.12.0.2       pc.ka7axd                       # mhorne
44.12.0.3       wsuecme.ka7axd wsuecme.wsu.edu  # horne, tcp-group, ham
44.12.0.4       goofy.ka7axd goofy.wsu.edu      # horne
44.12.0.8       pc.w7yh w7yh                    # rearc
44.12.0.9       xenix.w7yh                      # rearc
44.12.0.10      ka7ayf                          # gsands
44.12.0.11      ka7gha                          # mike
44.12.0.12      n7is                            # geo
#
#       Spokane, WA, hosts:
#
44.12.0.16      pc1.n7hfz n7hfz                 # steve
44.12.0.17      pc2.n7hfz                       # steve
44.12.0.18      pc.k7jd k7jd                    # joe
44.12.0.19      otc.k7jd                        # joe, otc
#
#       Tri-Cities, WA, hosts:
#
44.12.0.32      pc1.wa7osq wa7osq               # art
44.12.0.33      pc2.wa7osq                      # art
44.12.0.34      wb7tlk                          # mark
44.12.0.35      wa7eaq                          # ernie
44.12.0.36      wa7duh                          # steve
44.12.0.37      n7gtb                           # vern
44.12.0.38      wb7cnj                          # doc
44.16.0.0       SOCALnet1
44.16.0.1       wb5eku
44.16.0.1       WB5EKU
44.16.0.2       wd6bve
44.16.0.3       kd6hr
44.16.0.4       wd6fie
44.16.0.66      k4uuw
44.16.0.67      wa7fcu
44.16.0.68      wb7vhb
44.16.0.70      wb6ymh
44.20.0.64      WA8ZIA                  # John Varga - Boulder
44.20.0.65      KE0EE                   # Don Lewis - Boulder
44.20.0.128     K0VLD                   # Peter - Loveland
44.20.0.129     W0HJX                   # Sam Selders - Greeley
44.20.0.130     W0HJX-1                 # Sam Selders - Crystal Lakes
44.20.0.131     W0OSK                   # Ron Klein - Berthoud
44.20.0.132     WB0GAI                  # Roger Johnson - Greeley
44.20.0.133     K0JTZ                   # Jim Craig - Greeley
44.20.0.134     N0HOT                   # Scott Gottfried - Longmont
44.20.0.135     W0ITD                   # Cliff Baker - Greeley
44.20.0.136     K0ZCH                   # Win Eaton - Greeley
44.20.0.137     W0RJC                   # Ray Benton - Loveland
44.20.0.160     WB0LGC                  # Mike Wisch - Denver
44.20.0.161     WA0KXO                  # Dan Remy - Colorado Springs
44.20.0.162     WB0UAW                  # Emit Hurdelbrink - Thornton
44.20.0.163     WB0UAW                  # Emit Hurdelbrink - Thornton
44.20.0.164     N0CQO                   # Gene Benzing - Northglenn
44.20.0.165     W0EIE                   # Larry Johnston - Northglenn
44.20.0.166     WA6ERB                  # Bob Gobrick - Lakewood
44.20.0.167     WA6ERB                  # Bob Gobrick - Lakewood
44.20.0.187     W0SM                    # Steve Moore - Aurora
44.20.0.188     N0HKJ                   # Robert Yablans - Denver
44.20.0.189     N0ERG                   # Gary - Littleton
44.20.0.190     WB0P                    # Dave Stephens - Golden
44.20.0.191     WA0SGQ                  # Steve O'Brian - Denver
44.20.0.192     AI0C                    # Bill Flynn - Aurora
44.20.0.193     WB0NZW                  # Jim - Littleton
44.20.0.194     W0GVT                   # Bill Greene - Morrison
44.20.0.195     WA6ERB                  # Bob Gobrick - Lakewood
44.20.0.196     K0YUM                   # Fred Schneider - Aurora
44.20.0.197     K2UV                    # Tony Zalatan - Littleton
44.20.0.198     NY0F                    # Ralph Jones - Aurora
44.20.0.200     WD8LVJ                  # Roland Zamberry - Thornton
44.20.0.201     W0LJF                   # Ed Wright - Aurora
44.20.0.202     KA0RMD                  # Ben Sims - Aurora
44.20.0.203     N0EAD                   # Susan Wright - Aurora
44.20.0.204     W0RQI                   # Lash LaRue - Littleton
44.20.0.205     W6OAY                   # Bill Rinker - Englewood
44.20.0.206     KE0QA                   # Joe Bushinski - Castle Rock
44.20.0.227     K0DVI                   # Willard Solfenmoser - Fort Collins
44.20.0.228     KA7DXJ                  # Bob Johnson - Cheyenne
44.20.0.232     WA7NWP                  # Bill Vodall - Fort Collins
44.20.0.233     WA7NWP                  # Bill Vodall - Fort Collins
44.20.0.234     WA7NWP                  # Bill Vodall - Fort Collins
44.20.0.235     WA7NWP                  # Bill Vodall - Fort Collins
44.20.0.236     WD0DND                  # Mike Yoder -  Fort Collins
44.20.0.237     WD0DND                  # Mike Yoder -  Fort Collins
44.20.0.238     WD0DND                  # Mike Yoder -  Fort Collins
44.20.0.239     WD0DND                  # Mike Yoder -  Fort Collins
44.20.0.240     WD0ESY                  # Kris Meredith - Sterling
44.20.0.241     WD0HDR                  # Dave Harris - Sterling
44.24.0.0       seattle-tacoma-net
44.24.0.1       RESERVED-SEA-1
44.24.0.2       RESERVED-SEA-2
44.24.0.3       RESERVED-SEA-3
44.24.0.4       RESERVED-SEA-4
44.24.0.5       N7AKR           # Bob Albrightson
44.24.0.6       KB7DZ           # Dennis Goodwin
44.24.0.7       KE7OM           # Bill Ferguson
44.24.0.8       WB7DCH          # Tom Hogan
44.24.0.9       WA7ZWD          # Phillip Bondurant
44.24.0.10      KD7NM           # Bob Donnell
44.24.0.11      WA7HRA          # Bob Hart
44.24.0.12      WA7QFR          # Ren Roderick
44.24.0.13      N7FYA           # Ron McCallister
44.24.0.14      KO7M            # Jeff Whitlach
44.24.0.15      N7BTI           # John Gates
44.24.0.16      N7BFG           # Tim Tapio
44.24.0.17      N7HFZ           # Steve Hazelett (temp eastern washington)
44.24.0.18      AK7S            # Bob Harlan
44.24.0.19      N7IPJ           # Mike Sinnett
44.24.0.20      WA7NTF          # Gary Kohtala
44.24.0.21      WA7FUS          # Peter Dahl
44.24.0.22      KD7QR           # Wayne Keefer
44.24.0.23      N1DMM-1         # Clifford Neuman
44.24.0.23      N1DMM
44.24.0.24      WB6OHF          # Phil Nelson
44.24.0.25      KA7WNA          # Norm Gregory
44.24.0.26      N7AKR-GW        # Temporary IP Gateway
44.24.0.27      KC7GT           # Lyle Melton
44.24.0.28      N1DMM-GW MESON.CS.WASHINGTON.EDU        # Server host
44.24.0.29      W7GHM           # Ray Petit
44.24.0.30      W7MCU           # Len Westbo
44.24.0.33      N7CAK           # Pat Morgan
44.24.0.64      WA7OSQ          # Art Bieker (temp eastern washington)
44.24.0.65      WB7TLK          # Mark Gunther (temp eastern washington)
44.32.0.0       BDALEnet
44.32.0.1       n3eua winfree.n3eua
44.32.0.2       hipshack.n3eua
44.32.0.3       laptop.n3eua
44.32.0.4       minix.n3eua
44.32.0.8       gateway.n3eua n3eua-8
44.32.0.16      switch1.n3eua n3eua-9
44.32.0.32      wd0fhg                  # John Conner
44.32.0.40      n0ccz xt.n0ccz          # Andy Freeborn
44.32.0.41      at.n0ccz n0ccz-1
44.32.0.48      ai6c                    # Fred Periquet
44.32.0.49      other.ai6c ai6c-1
44.32.0.52      w0yne                   # Warren Hickey
44.32.0.56      ny0t                    # Keith Goobie
44.32.0.60      n0enn                   # Norm Miller
44.32.0.61      other.n0enn n0enn-1
44.32.0.64      wb0blv                  # Lee Sublett
44.32.0.68      n0fpp                   # Jim Lind
44.32.0.72      wb0sdw                  # David Riese
44.32.0.76      kc0rl                   # Ole Olson
44.32.0.80      n0hdv                   # Larry Rice
44.32.0.84      n0cmw                   # Al Vrooman
44.32.0.88      wb0dul                  # Dick Thompson
44.32.0.92      n5gcm                   # Mike Ball Pete Field (tdy from Tinker)
44.32.0.96      kd0el                   # Max Stafford
44.32.0.244     N0FPP                           # Jim Lind, N0FPP
44.32.0.245     WB0BLV-alt                      # Lee Sublett, WB0BLV
44.32.0.246     WB0BLV                          # Lee Sublett, WB0BLV
44.32.0.247     N0ENN-alt                       # Norman Miller, N0ENN
44.32.0.248     N0ENN                           # Norman Miller, N0ENN
44.32.0.249     NY0T                            # Keith Goobie, NY0T
44.32.0.250     W0YNE                           # Warren Hickey, W0YNE
44.32.0.251     WD0FHG                          # John Conner, WD0FHG
44.32.0.252     N0CCZ-at                        # Andy Freeborn, N0CCZ
44.32.0.253     AI6C                            # Fred Periquet, AI6C
44.40.0.0       NUTnet
44.40.0.1       WA7MBL                  # Jeff Jacobsen
44.40.0.2       WA7MXZ                  # Robert Wood
44.40.0.3       WB7ASQ
44.40.0.4       WA7MXY
44.44.0.1       wmass.w3vh              # Rolfe Tessem, Great Barrington, MA
44.44.0.2       unix.w3vh               # Rolfe Tessem, Usenet, Mail gateway
44.44.0.3       laptop.w3vh             # Rolfe Tessem, portable machine
44.48.0.0       SOCALnet2
44.48.0.1       WA6JPR                  # Wally Linstruth, Santa Barbara CA
44.56.0.1       k3mc            # Mike, gone to CA
44.56.0.1       K3MC    # Mike Chepponis        Cambridge, MA
44.56.0.2       w1goh-old       # Steve, assignment moved
44.56.0.2       W1GOH   # Steve Ward            Brookline, MA
44.56.0.3       k3mc-pc         # Mike, Gone to CA
44.56.0.10      k3mc-xt         # Mike, Gone to CA
44.56.0.11      wb1hbu          # Eric
44.56.0.12      W1MX    # MIT Radio Society     Cambridge, MA
44.56.0.13      N1EZP   # Henry Minsky          Cambridge, MA
44.56.0.14      kd7uw           # John
44.56.0.15      k9hi            # Phil
44.56.0.16      k9hi-1
44.56.0.17      w1tmo           # Dave
44.56.0.20      k1bc            # Bob
44.56.0.21      k1bc-1          #  Block thru 29 reserved for switches
44.56.0.30      n1ezp-1         # Henry
44.56.0.31      n1ezp-2         # Henry
44.56.0.32      w1goh           # Block of 8, mod 8 boundary,
44.56.0.33      w1goh-1         #  for Steve's house full of ethernet
44.56.0.34      w1goh-2
44.56.0.35      w1goh-3
44.56.0.36      w1goh-4
44.56.0.37      w1goh-5
44.56.0.38      w1goh-6
44.56.0.39      w1goh-7
44.56.0.40      nm1d-4
44.56.0.41      nm1d-5
44.56.0.42      nm1d-6
44.56.0.43      nm1d-7
44.56.0.44      k1io            # Fred  @ w1goh
44.56.0.45      nj1a            # Rich  @ w1goh
44.56.0.46      wa1uiw          # Dana  @ k1ugm
44.56.0.47      kn1k            # Bob   @ k1ugm
44.56.0.48      w1few           # Dick  @ w1few nh
44.56.0.49      nf1z            # Ged   @ n1bgg Medfield MA
44.56.0.50      k8lt            # Gary  @ wb1dsw Brookline NH
44.56.0.51      wa1cwg          # Kenn  @ n1bgg Manomet MA
44.56.0.52      wb8ygr          # Dick  Milford NH
44.56.0.53      n1cpk           # Bill
44.56.0.54      n1cpk-1         # Bill
44.56.0.55      n1dam           # Greg  Cambridge
44.56.0.56      ka1as           # Al
44.56.0.57      ka1mf           # Don
44.56.0.128     ae1c            ## Block in Central Massachusetts
44.56.0.129     ae1c-3
44.56.0.130     ka1ixq
44.56.0.131     wa1equ
44.56.0.132     ka1axy
44.56.0.133     kb1ri
44.64.0.0       KARNnet
44.64.0.1       KA9Q                    # Phil Karn
44.64.0.2       ka9q-switch
44.64.0.3       wb2hbz
44.64.0.5       wa2lqq
44.64.0.6       kb2m
44.64.0.7       N4HY                    # Bob McGwier
44.64.0.8       ka9q-1
44.64.0.9       ka9q-2
44.64.0.10      nn2z
44.64.0.11      ka2raf
44.64.0.12      nn2z-1
44.64.0.22      wb2bwu
44.64.0.23      n2aer
44.64.0.24      wb0mpq
44.64.0.25      ka2tsm
44.64.0.26      n2flk
44.64.0.27      wa2ecp
44.64.0.28      n2bqt
44.64.0.29      kt2q
44.64.0.30      n2flk-1
44.64.0.31      n2flk-2
44.64.0.32      wb2cop
44.64.0.33      wa2ief
44.64.0.34      k2usv
44.64.0.35      nn2z-a
44.64.0.36      nn2z-b
44.64.0.37      nn2z-c
44.64.0.38      nn2z-d
44.64.0.39      nn2z-e
44.64.0.40      nn2z-f
44.64.0.41      nn2z-g
44.64.0.42      nn2z-h
44.64.0.43      nn2z-i
44.64.0.44      nn2z-j
44.68.0.6       n2mh
44.68.0.8       ai2q
44.68.0.9       wb2vtn
44.68.0.10      wb2ibo
44.68.0.11      ka2eyw
44.68.0.12      w2jup
44.68.0.13      w2hpm
44.68.0.14      w4sdl
44.68.0.15      n2ayb
44.68.0.16      k2qnu
44.72.0.0       unassigned
44.72.0.2       WD9DBJ          # Dick Gulbrandsen
44.72.0.6       WB9MJN          # Don Lemke
44.72.0.10      W9MSW           # Larry Thompson
44.72.0.11      WB9WBN          # Gerry Werner
44.72.0.12      K9VXW           # Carl Bergstedt
44.72.0.20      KA9VAW          # Fred Spinner
44.72.0.21      wa9hic          # Ken Meyers
44.72.0.101     WD9DJD          # Paul Bovaconti
44.72.0.102     N9GBH           # Jim Chesner
44.72.0.177     n9fvc           # Michael Harnois
44.72.0.178     N9ATM           # John Wilk
44.72.0.179     wd9agr          # Jeanne Bloomquist
44.80.0.0       RATTSnet
44.80.0.1       WB6RQN                  # Brian Lloyd
44.80.0.20      ka2bqe          # Brian Riley
44.88.0.0       unassigned
44.96.0.0       DCnet
44.96.0.1       KN3U                    # Al Taylor
44.96.0.1       WB6RQN          # Brian Lloyd   39d10mN 77d17mW 145.51 221.01
44.96.0.2       AF4K                    # Brian
44.96.0.3       ka3eaj          # Dave Lichtenwalner
44.96.0.4       ka4tmb          # Steve Heyde
44.96.0.5       WA3CVG          # Art Goldman                   145.51
44.96.0.7       W3FWS           # Don Premo     39d01mN 77d07mW 145.51
44.96.0.8       WA3YOO          # MontCo RACES  39d05mN 77d09mW
44.96.0.9       K3YGG           # NIHRAC                39d00mN 77d06mW 145.51
44.96.0.10      WB2SEF1         # Mike Drapkin  39d12mN 77d11mW 44.96.0.2
44.96.0.11      W3IWI           # Dr. Tom Clark 39d11mN 76d56mW
44.96.0.12      MACRC           # MontCo Red Cross              145.51
44.96.0.13      WA3PXX          # Bob           39d03mN 77d05mW 145.51
44.96.0.14      W3TMZ           # Jack Colson   39d25mN 77d07mW 145.51
44.96.0.15      WA3PXX                  # Bob Gibson (Gateway)
44.96.0.16      N3JA                    # Jack Adams
44.96.0.17      KA3LYQ          # Roel DeJonge  39d09mN 77d14mW 145.51
44.96.0.18      WA3YHE          # Frank Pinkl                   145.51
44.96.0.19      w3oep ibmarc    # IBM Government Systems Amateur Radio Club
44.96.0.19      WA2WDT          # Ross Merlin                   145.51
44.96.0.20      W3TMZ                   # Jack Colson
44.96.0.20      AB3A            # Jake Brodsky
44.96.0.21      n8fjb           # Jim Newton
44.96.0.22      WA1IVD          # Bill Babson   39d05mN 77d07mW 145.51
44.96.0.23      N4QQ            # John Shew     39d00mN 77d00mW 221.01
44.96.0.26      W3CCV           # Mike Vore                     145.51
44.96.0.27      KN3U            # Al Taylor     39d05mN 77d07mW 145.51
44.96.0.28      K3UHF           # Eric Beser
44.96.0.29      N3DMC           # John Limpert                  145.51
44.96.0.30      n3bha           # Craig Altenburg
44.96.0.31      wb6rqn          # Brian Lloyd
44.96.0.32      wb2sef          # Mike Drapkin
44.96.0.33      wa2wdt          # Ross Merlin
44.96.0.34      n3dmc           # John Limpert
44.96.0.35      K8MMO                   # Dave Borden
44.96.0.36      aj9x            # Mike Bruski
44.96.0.37      n4nun           # John Teller
44.96.0.42      WA3YMH          # Louis Mamakos                 221.01
44.96.0.64      K8MMO           # Dave Borden                   221.01
44.96.0.65      WB4JFI          # Terry Fox
44.96.0.66      W4PAY           # Fairfax Red Cross             145.51
44.96.0.67      WB4WZZ          # Joe Peters                    145.51
44.96.0.68      WB4WZZ          # Fairfax Hospital              145.51
44.96.0.69      AA4GM           # Ted Seely
44.96.0.70      N3BHA           # Craig Altenburg
44.96.0.71      N3BHA           # Craig Altenburg
44.96.0.72      W3HXF           # Bill Schultz
44.96.0.79      w3iwi           # Tom Clark
44.96.0.128     WA3DUR          # Bob Lang                      145.55
44.96.0.129     WA3HQX          # Ed Mester     39d22mN 76d33mW 145.55
44.96.0.130     wa3pzi
44.96.0.130     WA3PZI          #                               145.55
44.96.0.131     N3EKO           # Ron                           145.55
44.96.0.132     N3FFB           # Jim                           145.55
44.96.0.133     WA3WZA          # Howard Cty. EOC 39d19mN 76d48mW 145.55
44.96.0.134     K3TCT           # Bob Gilliland                 145.55
44.96.0.135     AJ9X-1          # Mike Bruski   39d29mN 76d58mW 145.55/221.01
44.96.0.136     w3ccv           # Mike Vore
44.96.0.137     WA3CVG          # Art Goldman   39d14mN 76d52mW 145.55
44.96.0.138     k3ef            # Ed Wallace
44.96.0.150     wb3ffv          # Howard Ledmon
44.96.0.150     WB3FFV          # Howard Leadmon 39d20mN 76d23mW 145.55/221.01
44.96.0.192     W0KIT           # Doug Wheeland Annapolis       145.51
44.96.0.254     ct.wb6rqn
44.96.0.255     laptop.wb6rqn
44.104.0.0      unassigned
44.112.0.0      PITTnet
44.112.0.1      N3CVL           # Bob Hoffman, Pittsburgh
44.112.0.2      w3vc
44.112.0.3      wa3yoa
44.112.0.4      w2xo
44.112.0.5      n3clj
44.112.0.6      wa3hgw
44.112.0.7      n3fgw

44.129.xxx.xxx - Japan
----------------------
Coordinators: Joly H. Kambayashi, JH3XCU,
          1-23-7 Chidori, Ohta-ku, Tokyo, 146, Japan.
          Takayuki Kushida, JG1SLY, <[e-mail]>.

44.129.000.xxx * JA0 Area
44.129.001.xxx * JA1 Area without Tokyo
44.129.001.001    Kojin Yamada       jr1ede.ampr.jp    431.10 MHz
44.129.001.002    Akira Kaneko       ja1ogz.ampr.jp    431.02
44.129.001.003    Masaru Yamada      jk1nnt.ampr.jp

44.129.002.xxx * JA2 Area

44.129.003.xxx * JA3 Area

44.129.004.xxx * JA4 Area

44.129.005.xxx * JA5 Area

44.129.006.xxx * JA6 Area

44.129.007.xxx * JA7 Area

44.129.008.xxx * JA8 Area

44.129.009.xxx * JA9 Area

44.129.010.xxx * Tokyo
44.129.010.001    Tak Kushida        jg1sly.ampr.jp    431.02
44.129.010.002    Akira Kaneko       ja1ogz-1.ampr.jp  431.02
44.129.010.003    Joly H. Kambayashi jh3xcu.ampr.jp    431.02,431.10

44.129.063.1 to 44.129.063.10 is reserved for experimental use.


44.130.xxx.xxx - F.R. Germany
-----------------------------
Coordinator: Ralf D. Kloth (DL4TA), <[e-mail]>

44.130.000.xxx * Hamburg area
44.130.000.001    DL2VO (Gateway) Gunter Hille, 2000 Hamburg 20
44.130.000.002    DL2VO-1      Gunter Hille, 2000 Hamburg 20
44.130.000.003    DK5XA        Hartmut Krueger, 2000 Hamburg 60
44.130.000.004    DB2HK        Klaus Kleemann
44.130.000.005    DL5HAI       Juergen Drews, 2000 Hamburg
44.130.000.006    DL3HCM       Marita Semmelhack, 2000 Hamburg 65
44.130.000.007    DF7HI        Thomas Illies, 2000 Hamburg 65
44.130.000.008    DK8HI        Karl-Heinz Pape, 2000 Schenefeld
44.130.000.009    DB0DJ.test   Digipeater/Node, 2000 Hamburg
44.130.000.010    DB0HB.test   PBBS, 2000 Hamburg 65
44.130.000.011    DB8HN        Heinz Schultz, 2000 Hamburg 20
44.130.000.012    DL6HAT       Rudi Schwenniger
44.130.000.013    DG1HG        Dirk
44.130.000.017    DG5HT        Thomas
44.130.000.018    DL9HCZ       Peter
44.130.000.020    DL3XAJ       Joerg

44.130.009.xxx * Braunschweig area
44.130.009.001    DK4EG        Detlef Schmidt, 3300 Braunschweig
44.130.009.002    DK4EG/DB0FC-Test (Digi)
44.130.009.003    DF2AU        Georg Giese, 3300 Braunschweig
44.130.009.004    DF3AV        Reinhard Ruediger, 3150 Peine
44.130.009.005    DF3AV/DK0MAV-Test (BBS)

44.130.014.xxx * Goettingen area
44.130.014.001    DL2LK        Wilfried Ahlborn, 3400 Goettingen
44.130.014.002    DL4AL        Ute Ahlborn, 3400 Goettingen

44.130.016.xxx * Paderborn area
44.130.016.000    DL5YAT       Bernhard Luethen, 4790 Paderborn
44.130.016.001    DL2YAP       Heinz Cordes, 4791 Lichtenau-Atteln
44.130.016.002    DL2YAT       Thomas Brockmeyer, 4790 Paderborn
44.130.016.003    DL1YAU       Meinhard Zimmermann, 4791 Altenbeken
44.130.016.004    DL4YCZ       Christoph Bothe, 4790 Paderborn
44.130.016.005    DL5YCC       Ursula Luethen, 4790 Paderborn
44.130.016.006    DF6QU        Rudolf Konersmann, 4790 Paderborn
44.130.016.007    DG2YDS       Christoph Brockmeyer, 4790 Paderborn
44.130.016.008    DL8YAU       Holger Wolff, 4790 Paderborn
44.130.016.009    DK9QF        Ludger Konersmann, 4790 Paderborn

44.130.020.xxx * Aachen-Dueren area
44.130.020.001    DG2KK        Walter Doerr, 5160 Dueren
44.130.020.012    DK0AF        AMDAT e.V., 5100 Aachen (SUN-Gateway)
44.130.020.013    DK0AF        AMDAT e.V., 5100 Aachen
44.130.020.014    DK0AF        AMDAT e.V., 5100 Aachen
44.130.020.015    DK0AF        AMDAT e.V., 5100 Aachen
44.130.020.016    DL3NO        Rupert Mohr, 5100 Aachen
44.130.020.032    DG5KX        Martin Freiss, 5100 Aachen

44.130.021.xxx * Euskirchen area
44.130.021.001    DL4KW        Rolf Willerscheid, 5350 Euskirchen
44.130.021.002    DG4KS-1      Andreas Kempf, 5350 Euskirchen
44.130.021.003    DD0KX        Wolfgang Schmitz, 5350 Euskirchen
44.130.021.004    DC8TS        Reinhard Schulze, 5350 Euskirchen
44.130.021.005    DL4KW-1      Rolf Willerscheid
44.130.021.008    DF8IY-1      Matthias Bohlen, 5309 Meckenheim
44.130.021.009    DF8IY-2      Matthias Bohlen, 5309 Meckenheim

44.130.024.xxx * Rhein-Main area
44.130.024.001    DF7FE        Peter Ott, 6239 Eppstein
44.130.024.002    DG4KS        Andreas Kempf, 6501 Dexheim
44.130.024.003    DC6VQ        Gerhard Sexauer, 6239 Niederjosbach
44.130.024.004    DG3FBL       Jochen Sonnabend, 6082 Moerfelden
44.130.024.005    DK1YZ        Fred Boersch, 6239 Kriftel
44.130.024.006    DJ9KM        Klaus Metternich, 6238 Diedenbergen
44.130.024.007    DK1VJ        Bernd Breuer, 6234 Okriftel
44.130.024.008    DB3PA        Bernd Schneider, 6230 Zeilsheim
44.130.024.009    DG1FO        Claus Hobeck, 6232 Neuenhain
44.130.024.010    DC0NE        Karl Doerrer, 6239 Vockenhausen
44.130.024.011    DB7ZD        Dieter Hummel, 6230 Sindlingen
44.130.024.012    DL4FAA       Gerd Bader, 6230 Zeilsheim
44.130.024.013    DF4OR        Ekki Plicht, 6100 Darmstadt 12
44.130.024.014    DF4WP        Arthur Haas, 6501 Saulheim
44.130.024.015    DF4WC        Andreas Kurzke, 6509 Flonheim
44.130.024.016    DK7WJ        Gunter Jost, 6100 Darmstadt
44.130.024.017    DL6ZAD       Stefan, Hofheim
44.130.024.018    DF7FN        Franz Sauer, Oberolm
44.130.024.019    DG1KBB       Joerg Proemper, 6054 Rodgau Nieder-Roden
44.130.024.020    DL1ZAY       Mathias Funke, 6232 Bad-Soden
44.130.024.021    DF5JC        Volker, 6239 Eppstein
44.130.024.022    DF0THW       Clubstation OV Woerstadt
44.130.024.023    DL7FAI       Gerhard, 6231 Sulzbach/TS
44.130.024.027    DL0TS        Clubstation OV F27 Maintaunus

44.130.025.xxx * Frankfurt area
44.130.025.001    DJ3FC        Walter Michel, 6000 Frankfurt Nordwest
44.130.025.002    DD9ZY        Peter Michel, 6000 Frankfurt Nordwest
44.130.025.003    DH1FAB       Klaus-Dieter Friedrich, 6000 Frankfurt NW
44.130.025.004    DL8LE        Juergen Sturhahn, 6374 Steinbach/TS
44.130.025.005    DB5ZF        Oliver Teske, 6000 Frankfurt Eschersheim
44.130.025.006    DL2FBF       Michael Dillmann, 6000 Frankfurt 70
44.130.025.007    DD1ZP        Bernd, 6000 Frankfurt Heddernheim
44.130.025.008    DG9YAG       Thomas, 6000 Frankfurt Praunheim
44.130.025.009    DD6CV        Chris Volk, 8752 Johannesberg

44.130.029.xxx * Karlsruhe area
44.130.029.002    DG9BAD-7     Thomas Waehner, 7500 Karlsruhe 21
44.130.029.004    DJ0VL        Jean Thilges, 7500 Karlsruhe 41
44.130.029.016    DL5UY        Reinhard Meyer, 7515 Linkenheim 1
44.130.029.017    DL5UY        Reinhard Meyer, 7515 Linkenheim 1
44.130.029.018    DL5UY        Reinhard Meyer, 7515 Linkenheim 1
44.130.029.019    DL5UY        Reinhard Meyer, 7515 Linkenheim 1
44.130.029.020    DL5UY        Reinhard Meyer, 7515 Linkenheim 1
44.130.029.021    DL5UY        Reinhard Meyer, 7515 Linkenheim 1
44.130.029.022    DL5UY        Reinhard Meyer, 7515 Linkenheim 1
44.130.029.023    DL5UY        Reinhard Meyer, 7515 Linkenheim 1

44.130.048.xxx * Stuttgart/Tuebingen area
44.130.048.001    DL4TA        Ralf D. Kloth, 7400 Tuebingen
44.130.048.002    DJ7KA        Hans Ulrich Wandel, 7400 Tuebingen
44.130.048.003    DK5SG        Dieter Deyke, 7034 Gaertringen
44.130.048.004    DF1TL        Klaus Dittrich, 7050 Waiblingen
44.130.048.005    DK3SI        Harald Tietze, 7016 Gerlingen
44.130.048.006    DL5TT        Josef Thalheimer, 7000 Stuttgart
44.130.048.007    DK1RI        Guenter Klomann, 7000 Stuttgart
44.130.048.008    DB2ST        Jupp Vermeulen, 7134 Knittlingen
44.130.048.009    DL5UE        Jan Schiefer, 7000 Stuttgart
44.130.048.010    DB0ID (Digi) Stuttgart Net-Ctl (DK9SJ), 7000 Stuttgart
44.130.048.011    DJ3EG        Henning Gamlich, 7000 Stuttgart
44.130.048.012    DK0HU        Club Stn Hewlett-Packard, 7030 Boeblingen
44.130.048.013    DK3GQ        Manfred Wolfer, 7415 Wannweil
44.130.048.014    DC3SN        Thomas Kunert, 7000 Stuttgart
44.130.048.015    DL1SBL       Ulli Kienzle, 7033 Herrenberg
44.130.048.020    DG4SAP       Gaby Dagge, 7034 Gaertringen
44.130.048.021    DL9SAB       Norbert Dagge, 7034 Gaertringen
44.130.048.099    DL9SAD       Martin Blanz, 7141 Schwieberdingen
44.130.048.100    DL2SAE       Axel Wankmueller, 7250 Leonberg
44.130.048.101    DL9SAV       Peter Schweitzer, 7141 Schwieberdingen

44.130.049.xxx * Villingen-Schwenningen Area
44.130.049.001    DG3SAJ       Hans J. Goetz, 7734 Brigachtal

44.130.056.xxx * Muenchen area
44.130.056.001    DL2RBI       Werner Dirschedl, 8000 Muenchen

44.130.060.xxx * Nuernberg/Fuerth/Erlangen area
44.130.060.001    DF4NR        Bernie Arndt, 8500 Nuernberg
44.130.060.002    DL6NBC       Harry Weidner, 8500 Nuernberg
44.130.060.003    DC9YK        Reinhard Speyerer, 8500 Nuernberg
44.130.060.004    DL3NBZ       Klaus-Peter Kreuzer, 8500 Nuernberg
44.130.060.005    DL4NBZ       Werner Reichel, 8500 Nuernberg
44.130.060.006    DL5NBZ       Rainer Floesser, 8500 Nuernberg
44.130.060.007    DC3YC        Helmut Bayerlein

Addresses to move to 44.130.xxx.xxx:
44.193.000.001    DB1UY         Reinhard Bruckner, 7500 Karlsruhe 41
44.193.000.003    DG1GAL        Marius Krumm, 7556 Oetigheim


44.131.xxx.xxx - United Kingdom
-------------------------------
Coordinator: Peter Robinson G3MRX
         <[e-mail]>
or: Gareth Howell, G6KVK <[e-mail]>


44.132.xxx.xxx - Indonesia
--------------------------
YB Coordinator is Robby Soebiakto, [e-mail]  44.132.1.1
44.132.0.1      yb0td   #  sarwono
44.132.0.2      yb0dua  # aziel
44.132.0.3      yb0mc   #  boedi
44.132.0.4      yb0war  # ferry
44.132.0.5      yc0dko  # lani
44.132.0.6      yd0pxk  # aziz
44.132.0.7      yb0agr  # haryono
44.132.0.8      yd0bwk  # bungki
44.132.0.9      yb0dnj  # edwin
44.132.0.10     yc0ixo  # bambang
44.132.0.11     yb0qc   # dwi
44.132.0.12     yc0vat  # aswin
44.132.0.13     yd0ptx  # pudjo
44.132.0.14     yc0prf  # julius
44.132.0.15     yb0bww  # kirono
44.132.0.16     yb0bna  # hans
44.132.0.17     yc0vm   # doni
44.132.0.18     yc0pyo  # joni
44.132.0.19     yc0fsz  # alan
44.132.0.20     yc0lfk  # sony
44.132.0.21     yc0dim  # eddy
44.132.0.53     yc0fmf  # ratna
44.132.1.1      yb1bg   #  robby
44.132.1.2      yb1gm   #  manila
44.132.1.3      yc1cgb  # benny
44.132.1.4      yc1fky  # santo
44.132.1.5      yb1hr   #  achmad
44.132.1.6      yc1bml  # wowon
44.132.1.7      yc1cgh  # jeffry
44.132.1.8      yb1ff   #  kinta
44.132.1.9      yc1bq   #  rusli
44.132.1.10     yc1fax  # hermanto
44.132.1.11     yc1ffo  # wibowo
44.132.1.12     yc1jsw  # durahman
44.132.1.15     yb1bbs  # orari_jabar
44.132.1.16     yb1ba   # suryono
44.132.2.1      yb2ag   #  hari
44.132.2.2      yb2sv   #  jos
44.132.2.3      yb2bgz  # timmy
44.132.3.1      yb3bdl  # linda
44.132.5.1      yb5ndu  # rene
44.132.9.1      yc9gf   #  jojo


44.133.xxx.xxx - Spain
----------------------
no coordinator


44.134.xxx.xxx - Italy
----------------------
Coordinator: Pino Zollo I2KFX, Milano; <HB9ZZ@RZETH5> (temporary)
         I2KFX @ I2JJR-1 RBBS (W0RLI)

44.134.001.xxx * I1
44.134.001.001    IW1ALW
44.134.001.002    IK1CHE
44.134.001.003    IW1BGS
44.134.001.004    IW1BBT
44.134.001.005    IW1BRM
44.134.001.006    IK1HJT
44.134.001.007    IW1AGP
44.134.001.008    IW1AYD
44.134.001.009    I1HUH
44.134.001.010    IW1PTG
44.134.001.011    I1XZZ

44.134.002.xxx * I2
44.134.002.001    I2BJS
44.134.002.002    I2KFXPino Zollo, Milano
44.134.002.003    I2PHD
44.134.002.004    IW2BSG
44.134.002.005    I2XHO
44.134.002.006    I2JJR
44.134.002.007    I2OLW
44.134.002.008    IK2CAW
44.134.002.009    I2KBD
44.134.002.010    I2JDQ
44.134.002.011    I2JAQ


44.135.xxx.xxx - Canada
-----------------------
Coordinator: David Toth, VE3GYQ


44.136.xxx.xxx - Australia
--------------------------
Coordinator: John Tanner VK2ZXQ


44.137.xxx.xxx - Netherlands
----------------------------
Coordinator: Gerard van der Grinten, PA0GRI <[e-mail]>

HERE IS AN ALLOCATION ON IP ADDRESSES FOR HOLLAND.
THE MAIN NUMBER RANGE WE GOT WAS 44.137.0.0 - 44.137.63.0 .
I SPLITTED IT UP INTO 16 REGIONS SO THAT AN EASY /22 WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR
IP SWITCH ACCESS BY EVERY GROUP OR SUBNET. AS TO COMPLAY WITH THE REVERSE
NUMBERING SCEMA (ALSO FOR THE SAME BITCOUNT) EACH AREA HAS 10 BITS.
THE FIXED PART (44.137.0-63) OCCUPIES 18 BITS. THE 16 REGIONS TAKE 4 BITS
SO ADDING 18 + 4 + 10 HOPEFULLY GETS ME BACK TO 32 BITS ???
THE ALLOCATION IS:
  REGION        RANGE         REGION NAME (PROVINCE /  COUNTY)
      0         0 - 3         ZUID HOLLAND NET 1
      1        32 - 35        ZUID HOLLAND NET 2    (THE BUSIEST COUNTRY)
      2        16 - 19        NOORD HOLLAND
      3        48 - 51        OVERYSEL
      4         8 - 11        NOORD BRABAND WEST
      5        40 - 43        UTRECHT
      6        24 - 27        NOORD BRABAND OOST    (EINDOVEN AREA)
      7        56 - 59        FRIESLAND
      8         4 - 7         LIMBURG
      9        36 - 39        NOORD HOLLAND
     10        20 - 23        FLEVO POLDER  (THE SUNKEN HAM LANDS)
     11        52 - 55        DRENTE
     12        12 - 15        GRONINGEN     (PROVINCE, NOT THE CITY)
     13        44 - 47        GELDERLAND
     14        28 - 31        ZEELAND
     15        60 - 63        SPARE  ( IF WE CLAME MORE LAND FROM THE SEE)

THIS SCHEMA GIVES EVERY AREA 4 TIMES 254 USER ADDRESSES (1..254) AND
SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. A TOTAL OF 16000 NUMBERS
ARE AVAILABLE THIS WAY AND WE HAVE ABOUT 9000 LICENCEES TO BE ABLE TO USE
PACKET. AS BDALE ALRADY HEARD IT IS ALREADY GETTING VERY BUSY IN THE AIR.
ON THE MOMENT I HAVE GIVEN 16 PERSONS A IP NUMBER BUT WE ARE WITH 3 ACTIVE.

HERE IS THE UPDATED LIST OF DUTCH TCP/IP USERS. 31 jul 1987

44.137.000.001    pa0gri        Gerard Gouda ZH-1
44.137.000.002    pa0gri.test
44.137.000.003    pa3chk        Olaf  Den haag ZH-1
44.137.000.004    pa3eae        Vera  Naaldwijk ZH-1
44.137.000.004    pa3egb        Joop  Naaldwijk ZH-1

44.137.016.001    pa3efu        Jan   Castricum NH-1
44.137.016.002    pa3efu.test
44.147.016.003    pa0rys        Ger   Uitgeest NH-1
44.137.016.004    pa3bmg        Ton   Uitgeest NH-1
44.137.016.005    pe1btv        Hans  Heemskerk NH-1
44.137.016.006    pa3daq        Hans  Beverwijk NH-1

44.137.024.001    pi8zaa        club  Eindhoven NB-O
44.137.024.002    pe1dtn        Peter Eindhoven NB-O
44.137.024.003    pe1hzg        Geert jan Eindhoven NB-O
44.137.024.004    pa0wch        Wil   Eindhoven NB-O
44.137.024.005    pe1dna        Joop  Eindhoven NB-O

44.137.032.001    pa3dlt        Koos  Oud beierland ZH-2
44.137.032.002    pe1gwo        Arie  Papendrecht ZH-2

44.137.040.001    pe1chl        Rob   Utrecht UT


44.138.xxx.xxx - Israel
-----------------------
Coordinator: Ofer Lapid, 4X6OJ <[e-mail]>.


44.139.xxx.xxx - Finland
------------------------
Coordinator: Mikko Voipio, OH2BJU <[e-mail] or ..mcvax!penet!mikko>

IP -Address list for 44.139.xxx.xxx -network
(Last update Nov 04 1987 by OH2BJU)

The total number of allocated addresses in OH country is 22.
There are some club station in list. OH2TI is the Radio Club of
Student Club of Helsinki University of Technology, OH2NXX is
The Society of Radio Amateur Technology in Finland and OH3TR
is Radio Club of Student Club of Tampere University of Technology.
(There may be some missspells in names and I'm not sure if
the names are official names in English but these are direct
translation from the Finnish ones).

44.139.008.xxx * Helsinki Area Network (ADM OH2BJU)
44.139.008.001    OH2BYD
44.139.008.002    OH2BJU
44.139.008.003    OH2BQZ
44.139.008.004    OH2PZ
44.139.008.005    OH1QC
44.139.008.006    OH2TI
44.139.008.007    OH2ZAS
44.139.008.008    OH2AUM
44.139.008.009    OH2GV
44.139.008.010    OH2NXX
44.139.008.011    OH2BYD (2nd)
44.139.008.012    OH2BJU (2nd)
44.139.008.013    OH2AZG
44.139.008.014    OH2TC
44.139.008.015    OH2NLT
44.139.008.016    OH2BUQ
44.139.008.017    OH2AWL

44.139.012.xxx * Tampere Area Network (ADM OH3SJ)
44.139.012.001    OH3SJ
44.139.012.002    OH3NJC
44.139.012.003    OH3TR
44.139.012.004    OH3IE

44.139.020.xxx * Viitosten Network (ADM OH5RM)
44.139.020.001    OH5RM


44.140.xxx.xxx - Sweden
-----------------------
Tent. coordinator: Anders Klemets, SM0RGV, <[e-mail]>.


44.141.xxx.xxx - Norway
-----------------------
No coordinator.

44.141.002.001    LA4JL


44.142.xxx.xxx - Switzerland
----------------------------
Coordinator: Marco Brignoli, HB9SFD, <[e-mail]>


44.143.xxx.xxx - Austria
------------------------
No coordinator.


44.144.xxx.xxx - Belgium
------------------------
Tent. coordinator: Eric Langhendries, ON7LE.


44.145.xxx.xxx - Denmark
------------------------
Tent. coordinator: Ole Rasmussen, OZ1EUI, P.O.Box 1, DK-3370 Melby

44.145.001.001    OZ1EUI       Ole Rasmussen, 3370 Melby
44.145.001.002    OZ6WQ        Egon, Frederiksvaerk
44.145.002.003    OZ6PU        Jorn, Koebenhavn

   ...
   ...

44.191.xxx.xxx - Last available assignment for now, will likely be
           reserved for potential common use by countries with
           very small IP populations.


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From: rutgers!uwvax!speedy![e-mail] (Dan Frank)
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Keywords: unbelievably rude
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Dan Frank)

   There is an interesting bug in the latest version of Desqview.  Apparently
DV doesn't do a very good job of keeping track of console "RAW" mode status.
Sometimes a program is started in raw mode that shouldn't be, and other times
you can't get DV's console driver to go *into* raw mode when you need to.
The upshot is, there are some very simple, well-behaved programs that don't
work right under Desqview (one of the them is the BM mail program used by
amateur radio tcp/ip'ers).

   Fool that I am, I thought Quarterdeck might be interested in fixing this
bug.  For all I know, their technical people might be, if there were any
way to reach them.  Quarterdeck is one of those companies who apparently
hired psychologists to tell them how to discourage people from ever, ever
bothering them for service.

   I've been trying to call them on their non-toll-free number for about a
week, and getting constant busy signals.  Finally today I reached their
telephone answering person.  She put me on hold for tech support, and for
the next 20 minutes I was treated to a rather expensive conversation with
their computerized telephone system.  Finally I accidentally failed to
push the proper combination of keys to stay on hold, and was zapped back
to the telephone answering person, losing my place in the queue.  Exasperated,
I explained that I didn't need help installing the program or running
Dbase; that I was a software developer and wanted to report a real, live
bug.  I was put through to a sales manager.  She listened politely while
I explained my problem, then immediately zapped me back to the telephone
answering person, who said, "Please hold for tech support."

   "Wait a sec," said I.  "Does this mean you put me back on the end of
the queue, and I spend *another* twenty minutes talking to your phone
system?"
   "I guess so," she answered.  At this, I became a bit upset.  "Look,
I have spent a lot of money on this call, to be put back at the end of
the queue.  I don't need help installing the stupid program.  It has a
bug, and I'm trying to report it."
   "It seems," she answered in a *very* snide voice, "that *everyone*
who calls us has a bug."  Well, this was the last straw.  I demanded
to talk to the president's secretary.  "You wouldn't be permitted to
do that," she said.  When I began sputtering something in return, she
said, "I'm going to put you on hold until you calm down."  *click*.
I tried to call back, but of course, I got a busy signal.

   I've heard people say that, for example, Microsoft has bad customer
service.  Microsoft may not be great, but I have never, ever been treated
like this by them, or for that matter any other software company before.
For all I know, Quarterdeck has *no* support people at all, and simply
abuses their customers until they give up.  Can anyone top this?

   -- Dan


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From: hplabs!hpcea!hpnmd!hpsrla![e-mail] (Glenn Elmore)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Wide bandwidth transcievers for digital communication?
References: <[e-mail]>

 >/ [e-mail] (Henry Minsky) writes:
>It looks like off-the-shelf VHF and UHF transcievers don't have
>wide enough bandwidth inputs and outputs for transmitting and
>recieving 56 Kb data.

> Can someone tell me what the 56Kb modem people are thinking of using
>for RF transmitting and receiving? Is there any currently designed
>equiptment that some manufacturer could mass produce?

   I believe that Dale, WA4DSY, who authored a paper on a 56kb modem at
the last networking conference has used transverters. He gave an example
of BER in which I believe a Microwave Modules 432  MHz transverter was used.
For the modem he showed, it is necessary to use a transverter (linear)
since both amplitude and angular modulation are present.
   Any transverter with a suitable IF (29 MHz in Dale's case)
can be used. I have built a number of transverters for the microwave bands
which should be suitable (see Feb Ham Radio magazine for part I of the
series). I've also ordered a pair of Dale's boards and hope to turn the speed
up slightly... maybe to 100kb or so. I would like to put at least one test link
on through the SF bay area somewhere to try out. (I'm hoping that the
PS-186 packet switch will be available to make the whole thing useful,anyone
want to spring for a pair?).
  The microwave bands seem to make sense to me on a couple of counts;
available spectrum/bandwidth and greater S/N for constant PHYSICAL antenna
size and transmitter power. TVRO has made cheap hardware a reality.
   If you are just interested in getting a system on quickly, I think
commercial transverters can be bought for almost every band through 10 GHz,
maybe a little pricey, but available.

  Also I see that GLB has announced a 19kb 220 radio for packet links in
the most recent QST.

>Also, for using satellites as repeaters for packet, what can be done to
>compensate for doppler shift? Do we need to have frequency synthesized
>transmitters and recievers with extremely fast and precise locking to
>constantly retune to track the frequency, or is there some better approach?

    I think this depends  a lot on modulation/demodulation techniques. The
amateur community probably has a lot to learn (maybe from the phone companies)
about optimum techniques/frequencies etc. I believe phase 3C has some kind
of tolerance (+-7khz?) to tuning inaccuracy. Dale's modems want to see
+-5 KHz or better to keep the BER low. Most transverters designed for SSB
SHOULD be considerably better than that. The approach I took was to phaselock
everything other than the HF rig to an ovenized standard. This may be
overkill for digital links but it is vital for DX attempts on microwave
since antenna pointing problems are plenty without throwing in frequency
uncertainty!


Glenn Elmore -N6GN-

N6GN @ N6IIU-1
[e-mail]


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From: hplabs!hpcea!hpfcdc!hpfcdq![e-mail] (Bill Vodall)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Tempo S1 on Packet???

Help!!!

I have an old Tempo S1 that I'd like to build into a computer
for a dedicated packet station.  The only problem is that the S1
doesn't have any provisions for external audio (mic) input.  I know
that some outfit was selling a kit to retrofit the S1 with a mic jack
so it can be done.  My questions:  Has anyone used the S1 with packet?
How was it hooked up?  How did the kit hook up the mic?

Thanks and 73's

Bill Vodall, WA7NWP,  {hplabs|inhp4}!hpfcla!vodall


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Subject: Routing schemes...

I am a little bit dismayed why the powers that control our packet
community have chosen ZIP code routing.  It is not a world wide
standard.  Many countries do not even use them and others use ZIP
codes that are very different than here in the states.  Telephone
area codes are another that are not a worldwide standard.  You still
need a routing table to determine where and in what direction a ZIP
code or area code needs to be forwarded.

Why not use grid sqares ?  They are a worldwide standard and a simple
algorithm would be needed to determine where a packet should be routed
rather than a lookup table of the various codes.  Stations in mobile
operation could send an update packet to the digipeter in use as the
station passed from one grid to another to indicate it's changing
position.  It would be infinitly simpler to know that you just
moved from one grid to another than to try to determine what ZIP
code you just moved into.

Why does the packet community continue to think that US standards that
are totally incompatible with the rest of the world should be forced
upon us all ?

Mike McCarthy, WA1UAR


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In a recent message about packet routing schemes, Mike McCarthy,
WA1UAR said:
>Why not use grid sqares ?  They are a worldwide standard and a simple
>algorithm would be needed to determine where a packet should be routed
>rather than a lookup table of the various codes.

I agree 100%!
Simple world-wide locator systems have been used by Radio Amateurs for
many years and have proved quite effective for indicating the general
location of a station.

Schemes based on Zip Codes are doomed to failure after 50 States, and
those based on Area Codes after 3 countries.

Robert Skegg          VE7AII          G3ZGO        [e-mail]
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From: doris.dec.com![e-mail] (Paul Bigwood TREG UK 7899-5420)
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Subject: GLB PK1 Tnc

I have a GLB PK1 TNC running on 2M and am interested in replacing the
VADC code with a RTTY/AMTOR routine, but not keen on disassembling the
ROM if I can avoid.

Does anyone know if this has been done before, or perhaps provide the
address/phone no for GLB in the US.

Thanks in advance for any information.

Paul Bigwood G3WYW
DEC UK


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From: husc6!spdcc!k1bc![e-mail] (Bob Clements)
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Subject: Re: Connection ID - Callsigns or aliases???

I haven't seen any responses to this message, so I'll be brave and
put my two cents in:

[]   From: [e-mail] (Kurt Freiberger)
[]   Subject: Connection ID - Callsigns or aliases???
[]   Date: 14 Jan 88 19:05:42 GMT
[]
[]   Which method of connection is legal:   [If XYZ is an "alias" at W5XYZ]
[]        W5ABC connects to W5XYZ using "C W5XYZ V DP" ??
[]        or
[]        W5ABC connects to W5XYZ using "C XYZ v DP" ??
[]   assuming that connections using aliases is possible.
[]
[]        It is given that digipeater alias usage is legal.
[]   That is an old battle.
[]   [rationalization deleted]

I claim neither is legal, since the digipeater alias is not a callsign.
Certainly the latter is illegal, since you are required to identify
the station with whom you are in contact at the end of the QSO (used
to be every ten minutes, but no longer true).

Another reason these are illegal applies to automatic operation. We are
allowed to operate packet stations unattended if they are using the
AX.25 protocol (and not on HF bands).  The AX.25 protocol specifically
says (section 2.13) "The address field of all frames shall be
encoded with both the destination and source amateur call signs
for the frame. ... If [digipeaters] are used, their call signs shall
also be in the address field."    Note -- "call signs" NOT "call
signs or other identifiers".

[]        What started this up is the advent of the "Personal (gag) Mailbox" and
[]   NET/ROM.
[]   [amplification deleted]
[]        How say the masses?

When I ran a BBS, I would not allow a connect either FROM or VIA
a non-callsign.  I still feel that way.   The RIGHT solution, of
course, is automated routing/addressing/naming servers.  You should
be able to send a packet to your LAN's server saying "what is the
callsign for NYC on 145.05 today?" and get back "W2XYZ" and then
connect via W2XYZ.  Of course, we don't have that solution yet.

And, re:
[]   I get told that I'm crazy, 'cause EVERYBODY's doing it!

Sure. And EVERYBODY "beacons", too.  Completely illegal.  Packet
"beacons" do not meet the FCC definition of a beacon (intended for
propagation checks, and in specific frequency bands NOT including
145.01).  Nor do they meet any of the definitions of legal
one-way communications.

[]   kurt at splut

Bob, K1BC, [e-mail]


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Date:    Mon, 08 Feb 88 17:07:12 -0500
From:    [e-mail] (Al Broscius)
To:      [e-mail]
Subject: Early draft of low-power license-free packet radio system description


Here it is:


    FCC License-Free Packet Radio: Low-Power, Wireless,
        Medium-Speed Computer Communications for
        Short-Range Networking.


    The FCC, under Part 15 of its Regulations, has authorized the
license-free usage of six 20KHz wide radio channels for low-power
operation. These channels are available for any use by an emitter
certified by the FCC to comply with power and bandwidth requirements set
forth in the above Part. Neither the modulation scheme nor the transmitted
information are restricted; however, the field strength due to the
transmitter at any point 3m distant from the source may not exceed 10,000
microvolts per meter and the out of band energy must be 20dB below the peak
emission power level.

    With proper use of error control coding and a robust link-level
protocol, a raw bit rate of 19.2kpbs may be used to obtain an information
bit rate of roughly 14-15kbps before consideration of channel access
strategies. The raw bit rate of 19.2kbps within the 20dB bandwidth of 20kHz
may be obtained through use of a multi-level, several bit per baud, coding
scheme. However, in an urban or indoor environment, fading channels and
multi-path propagation reduce the desirability of amplitude sensitive
coding and highlight the benefits of binary FSK and its variants.

    An initial choice of coding scheme, favored for its implementation
simplicity and its relative spectral compactness (within reasonable BER
constraints), is to be MSK at a raw bit rate of 9.6kbps. Using discrimintator
detection, a prototype system has been constructed using a commercially
available narrowband FM transceiver modified to allow a larger data bandwidth
than the audio input and output filters allow. BER performance testing as
a function of snr will commence in the near future.

    Further work on this project includes exploration of various coding
and baseband pulse shaping schemes and MLSE decoding. Eventually, a prototype
IBM-PC bus implementation of the radio modem will be designed and constructed.
The packet level will most likely consist of HDLC frames with higher-level
protocols ensuring the link robustness.

Al broscius

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From: aim.dec.com![e-mail] (fred, k1io@FN42jk, [phone])
To: [e-mail]
Subject: low power license free packet?  not so fast...

Al Broscius' draft discussing a license-free packet service misses one
rather important detail.  Part 15 intended those license-free frequencies

to be used by things like cordless phones and "kiddie talkies", those
descendants of the 100 mW CB walkie talkies of the 1960s.  So it allows
46-49 MHz operation limited by signal strength.

10,000 uV/m at 3 meters from the antenna isn't a whole lot.  While in
free-field space it will allow usable reception for maybe a couple of
kM, in practice it won't go much beyond your own block or immediate
neighborhood.  Yeah, you can exchange bits with your next-door neighbor,
but imagine how many hops a real network would require!

A packet-CB type of service might be interesting to contemplate (Don
Stoner did, but 52 MHz was a pretty bad choice!), but packet-Part 15
is just a hack.
      fred k1io


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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Tully  pstully@ucdavis)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: low power license free packet?
Keywords: packet, license free, CB
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matthew Kaufman, KA6SQG) writes:
>
>
>The only restriction that currently exists is FCC Part 95.627
>which states that:
>d) Digital emmissions are not permitted in the GMRS or the CB radio service.
>e) The transmission of data is prohibited in the Personal Radio Services.
>---
>I am interested in finding out what other opinions exist regarding
>the expansion of CB to include digital packet radio. Certainly if
>enough people are interested, the FCC can be persuaded to modify
>these existing regulations.
>
>Please indicate your opinion by posting, or by e-mail.
>
>Thanks,
>Matthew Kaufman
>[e-mail], ...!ucbvax!ucscc!ucsck!matthew

I use CB extensively. I do not have my ticket yet, but do hope to in
the future. I would really like to see a packet allowed on 27 mhz.
I started a radio club awhile ago, we are very interested in packet, ham
and other radio aspects, however, the money and living conditions limit
most of the members from moving on. A license free packet operation would
for sure get more people started.

My vote is yes, and I can say that so is the vote of our radio club.


* Patrick Tully  RFD1
* RADIO FREE DAVIS -- cheap radio operation
* {{seismo|ihnp4!}lll-crg|sdcsvax|{decvax!}ucbvax}!ucdavis!deneb!ccs016
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From: ihnp4!cbosgd!gwspc!n8emr![e-mail] (Gary Sanders)
To: [e-mail]
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References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (fred, k1io@FN42jk, [phone]) writes:

>to be used by things like cordless phones and "kiddie talkies", those
>descendants of the 100 mW CB walkie talkies of the 1960s.  So it allows
>46-49 MHz operation limited by signal strength.

Check out the Feburary issue of BYTE, they have a RF based lan product
for sale. a 9600baud LAN. It is said to operate in the 72MHZ range
and does need a license (fill out the forms and go). cost is a bit high,
about 2K per node, Wonder whats inside the rf box??



--
Gary W. Sanders         {ihnp4|cbosgd}!n8emr!gws
(cis) 72277,1325        (packet) N8EMR @ W8CQK
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: low power license free packet?
Summary: Why not CB?
Keywords: packet, license free, CB
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Matthew Kaufman, KA6SQG)

The topic of license-free packet radio has been floating around for
some time. Several ideas have come and gone, including the 52-54 MHz
"reallocation" and the use of 49 MHz license free bands.

Why not class D CB (27 MHz)...

The power limit on this band is sufficient to set up a reasonable
packet network (i.e. doesn't require lots of close-together low-power nodes).

The radios are cheap (<$60) and come with simple speaker and microphone
connectors, suitable for connecting a comercially available TNC.

The bandwidth available is sufficient to support at least the 300 baud
HF modem standard, and almost certainly will also support the standard
VHF 1200 baud (202) standard.

The channels already exist and, even better, already sound as bad as
packet channels would to voice users.

Contrary to popular belief, packet WILL work on AM. In fact, it may
work better than voice on the same channel, because heterodynes
with existing carriers are usually NOT within the modem filter bandpass.

A reasonable license-free packet network seems to be needed, and,
setting it up on existing personal radio channels would alleviate
complaints from users of other spectrum space (such as amateurs)
that would otherwise be reallocated to provide for such a service.

The only restriction that currently exists is FCC Part 95.627
which states that:
d) Digital emmissions are not permitted in the GMRS or the CB radio service.
e) The transmission of data is prohibited in the Personal Radio Services.

---

I am interested in finding out what other opinions exist regarding
the expansion of CB to include digital packet radio. Certainly if
enough people are interested, the FCC can be persuaded to modify
these existing regulations.

Please indicate your opinion by posting, or by e-mail.

Thanks,
Matthew Kaufman
[e-mail], ...!ucbvax!ucscc!ucsck!matthew


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Dorsey)
To: [e-mail]
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Keywords: packet, license free, CB
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matthew Kaufman, KA6SQG) writes:
>The topic of license-free packet radio has been floating around for
>some time. Several ideas have come and gone, including the 52-54 MHz
>"reallocation" and the use of 49 MHz license free bands.
>Why not class D CB (27 MHz)...

   I don't know just what the present status of the Class C frequencies
are, but they are definitely available for digital communication.  I
don't know if this is limited to remote control applications or not,
but it might be possible to consider a packet radio installation as
a remote control device (hook it up to a BSR X-10, etc... :-)).



Scott Dorsey   Kaptain_Kludge
SnailMail: ICS Programming Lab, Georgia Tech, Box 36681, Atlanta, Georgia 30332

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I recently (just this afternoon) I ordered a MFJ-1270B from
Austin Amateur Supply, and was told that an adapter was not
needed to connect the TNC to a Commodore 64/128.  The sales person
told me that all that was needed was a card-edge connector
(for the Commodore) and a cable.  I was under the impression
that I would need an RS-232 adapter.  Any thoughts, comments,
or ideas would be helpful!!!
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From: uunet!mcvax!nikhefk![e-mail] (Henk Peek)
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References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Every man should have his Dew) writes:

  I am a little bit dismayed why the powers that control our packet
  community have chosen ZIP code routing.  It is not a world wide
  standard.  Many countries do not even use them and others use ZIP
  codes that are very different than here in the states.  Telephone
  area codes are another that are not a worldwide standard.  You still
  need a routing table to determine where and in what direction a ZIP
  code or area code needs to be forwarded.

  Why not use grid sqares ?  They are a worldwide standard and a simple
  algorithm would be needed to determine where a packet should be routed
  rather than a lookup table of the various codes.  Stations in mobile
  operation could send an update packet to the digipeter in use as the
  station passed from one grid to another to indicate it's changing
  position.  It would be infinitly simpler to know that you just
  moved from one grid to another than to try to determine what ZIP
  code you just moved into.

  Why does the packet community continue to think that US standards that
  are totally incompatible with the rest of the world should be forced
  upon us all ?

  Mike McCarthy, WA1UAR


The new IARU QRA locator system is world-wide and an radio amateur
standard. It is a three level geographical square system, 2 letters
2 numbers and 2 letters, short and not difficult to remember.

You could use internet numbers in geographical domain hierarchy.
An internet number is a network station address and not a radio
amateur. When you move to an another domain, you must request a
(temporary) local internet number. A local server does the temporary
internet number administration. When you want to send a packet to
a temporary internet number user: a "rarp" like request user@server
or user@domain returns the temporary internet number.

You can use internet number routing with AX.25. You can send it as
an AX.25 optie when you don't use tcp-ip or as part of the IP header.

Henk Peek  PA0HZP   ..!uunet!mcvax!nikhefk!henkp.UUCP


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From: ll-xn!husc6!bbn!rochester!ritcv![e-mail] (Christopher E. Piggott)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: low power license free packet?
Summary: Packet Citizen's Band
Keywords: Allocatitng Citizen's-Band space for packet radio
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

I think that this is an excellent idea, and would be marketable mostly to
sub-personal computer (i.e. C64, Atari-800) people rather than CB people.
It would take a lot of work, though, to revive a social clique of buletin-
board systems which has turned almost entirely to <14yr olds.

However, CB's in the $40-60 range are usually automobile radios (correct
me if I'm wrong in your part of the country) and would require a further
complication: a power supply.  Not much to a HAM, who could build one out
of a few rubber bands and a paper clip, but most people would have to buy
one.  Minor point, still.


Now, a question: I was once told that the sunspot period relative to CB
radios is about 40 years, and that we are now on the upside of the curve.
I was told that this means in about 10 years the range we will get from
C.B. will be at least quadruple what it is now.  Is this true?

            Christopher E. Piggott

ritcv![e-mail]
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I understand RATS has completed the COSI (RATS) level 3 software.
Can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of it.

dbennett@amc-hq

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From: hao!boulder!sunybcs![e-mail] (Devon E Bowen)
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Subject: licensing question

Here at the State University of NY at Buffalo, we've got a significant
number of buildings wired with our local network. There are a number
of buildings, however, that do not have any part of the network in them.
This can sometimes be a real pain. For example, if someone is giving a
lecture in a building where we have no wires, they can't use a terminal
in their lecture. I've heard from a few professors that they would
definitely use terminals during lectures if such a system was available.

It would be nice to have one of the ports of our VAX (4.3 BSD) hooked
up to a radio. We could run KA9Q's TCP/IP on the VAX and then have
another radio hooked to a MacIntosh allowing the Mac to be used as a
terminal for VAX. I don't see anything wrong with it in theory. The
system would be fairly cheap (crystal controlled radio's & TNC's being
the only cost) and would provide full mobility around the campus. My
question is with licensing...

I haven't really interacted with the FCC much (except for filling out
my 610) so I don't even know where one would start on trying to get a
license for something like this. We would need very little power (1/2
mile distance would be plenty) and only one channel (thank you TCP).
Can anyone tell me what type of license would be needed? How to go
about applying for one? What type of fees we could expect? What type
of test we'd have to take (if any)? We are a state run university if
that matters at all. Any help is appreciated...

                    Devon Bowen (KA2NRC)
                    University at Buffalo

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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: low power license free packet?
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matthew Kaufman, KA6SQG) writes:
>
>The topic of license-free packet radio has been floating around for
>some time. Several ideas have come and gone, including the 52-54 MHz
>"reallocation" and the use of 49 MHz license free bands.
 The 1st of which will happen on a cold day in HELL, the second is not a
useful option due to the range of the devices available and...
>Why not class D CB (27 MHz)...
..this suggestion, while it might seem reasonable is actually not. Some of
us have tried this and while it *does* work, the amount of hate 'n' discontent
it generates would not endear such packet users to the rest of the CB community!
>The power limit on this band is sufficient to set up a reasonable
>packet network (i.e. doesn't require lots of close-together low-power nodes).
 The power "limits" are seldom enforced, and you will find that in metropolitian
areas like L.A. and such, seldom observed. I.E.-noone will hear you @ 5 w.
>The radios are cheap (<$60) and come with simple speaker and microphone
>connectors, suitable for connecting a comercially available TNC.
 With good reason, the radios are not very selective and have little in the
way of sensitivity. FM would be better, but F3E is illegal on 11 meters.
>The bandwidth available is sufficient to support at least the 300 baud
>HF modem standard, and almost certainly will also support the standard
>VHF 1200 baud (202) standard.
 1200 works fine on a clear channel, AM or SSB. On a crowded channel only
SSB will get your packets across without a very large number of retrys.
>The channels already exist and, even better, already sound as bad as
>packet channels would to voice users.
 No comment.
>Contrary to popular belief, packet WILL work on AM. In fact, it may
>work better than voice on the same channel, because heterodynes
>with existing carriers are usually NOT within the modem filter bandpass.
 Yes, it will work, but the hetrodynes cause retries, many retries.
>A reasonable license-free packet network seems to be needed, and,
>setting it up on existing personal radio channels would alleviate
>complaints from users of other spectrum space (such as amateurs)
>that would otherwise be reallocated to provide for such a service.
 Oh phooey! Stop sniveling, and go study a little! The Novice ticket is
well within the reach of anyone who wants it. There are Amateur Radio Clubs
around that will bendover backwards to assist you in doing so.
>The only restriction that currently exists is FCC Part 95.627
>which states that:
>d) Digital emmissions are not permitted in the GMRS or the CB radio service.
>e) The transmission of data is prohibited in the Personal Radio Services.
 And with good reason! Study packet a little closer and you will notice
that improperly used, packet can cause a tremendous amount of interference. The
use of such equipment by completly untrained users would be difficult to
actually justify on the International level.  Everything the FCC does is fuel
for those that participate at the WARC's..you're asking for blood.
>I am interested in finding out what other opinions exist regarding
>the expansion of CB to include digital packet radio. Certainly if


 The Amateur community stands ready to welcome you and all others as fellow
operators...anytime you are ready to get serious. The expansion of CB radio,
is something the FCC will only laugh at. It's been proposed several times.
 Some of the proposals have included such things as:

 A) Expansion of class D 11 meter CB from 27.405Mhz to 27.995. mixed modes.
 B) 27.410-27.510 A3J voice, F3E voice 27.515-27.715 and AX25a Packet only
    from 27.720-27.995 using F2/3/E.
 C) A new class of service, from 27.410-27.510, for AX25a Packet only, using
    F2/3E. (i.e. "CB Packet" but with a license!)

 As an Amateur, I can tell you that the majority of  such  schemes  will
*NEVER*  garner a shred of support from the Amateur ranks because of the
attitude that exists on CB.  Look at the hassle that SSB users  get/give
to/from   the  AM  users.   Better  still  is  the  use  of  the  "funny
freqs"...there must be 40-50 times a week in L.A. that  someone  figures
that  since  they  don't "hear" anyone using the region between 28.0 and
28.2, that  it's  ok  for  them  to  have  a  nice  FM  QSO  with  their
Trucker-buddies  on  their  'Rangers'...number  1:  Most  of these jerks
don't know the difference between CW and fly-to-the-moon.  The fact that
some of us are indeed having a CW-QSO on 28.150 (right where they fire-up!)
is of no interest to them, after all, they bought the radio!  It  *CAME*
with  the  frequencies!  Therefore...  number 2:  The number of existing
radios that are equipped with A.M.-only...bad news is most CB users hate
SSB,  because  they  dont  have  it..more 'Low-buck mentality'.  I would
favor Frequency expansion (ala item B) if:

 1) the radios were equipped in such a way that no firther expansion  of
the  frequency  range  were possible.  Use a rom-based composite PLL/VCO
chip that has NO equal for replacement, MANDATE unusual I.F.  freqs  and
no  "extra"  lines  to  play with.  Make that sucker 99.9% impossible to
expand!  Cast the boards in epoxy or something like that.

 2) the stations were Registered/Licensed.  Nothing  expensive,  just  a
simple  form  which  insures  a  better  attitude  by  the  users of the
frequencies, and a unique callsign identifier for your packet-headers.

 3) That the FCC could have an enforcement budget to  police  violators.
   Like:  a)  The  LIDS  that decide to play music, curse or jam. b) The
   'LinearLids', who think 1Kw operation is "cool". c)  The  jokers  who
   insist  on  running  out-of-band,  mixed mode, or who refuse identify
   their stations. d) The clowns that modify CB gear to encroach on  the
   Amateur 10 meter band. Send these guys to jail for 10+ years!

>enough people are interested, the FCC can be persuaded to modify these
existing  regulations.

  Don't count on it!  Amateur Radio  is  what  it  is  because  everyone
involved  has  a  vested  interest in keeping the 'GoodBuddy' types from
overrunning the bands, the  FCC's  enforcement  budget  is  almost  nil,
expansion  that  does not provide for the safeguards listed above has no
chance.  Period.  You want more? CB radio is a sewer, the majority of CB
users are braindead, burntout Kids that have so little to do with their
miserable lives they congragate around the 11 meter band hoping for any
kind of amusement. Just try cleaning it up, I did. I managed to interest
7 people to UPGRADE to Novice tickets..you can do the same.
--
-Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY           +-------------------------+
Citicorp(+)TTI                          *----------> panic trap; type = N+1 *
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   [phone], ext. 2973 +-------------------------+
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {csun,philabs,randvax,trwrb}!ttidca!ttidcb!sorgatz **


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There are some 9600 baud commercial modems on the market.
There is even one in the Glasgal catalog.  For a single
terminal, I don't know why you want to bother with packet.
Just run straight RS-232.

-Ron
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Help on digicom64 software

I built a modem out of an AM7910 this weekend and am trying to
get it to run on Digicom64 software with the c-64. I cleaned
up a bit of noise on some of the circuit, made sure all the power
was correct on all of the pins, checked out all of the wiring
more than once and when connected to the computer, in the receive
mode when a packet comes across or when the squelch is turned down
on the rig, a message is displayed on the screen saying "rcve" but
nothing ends up being written. I checked all of the buffers supposedly
in the receive buffers but nothing there either.

My question is this, has anyone built this interface and has there
been success? Also does anyone have a source listing for the program?
It is public domain software and all of the circuits to go along with it.


Any help/suggestions on telling me if the packets are being captured
or lost?

Chuck Partain
Maynard, MA.
KA1MWP


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From: gatech!hao!ames!ptsfa!pacbell!tandem![e-mail] (Kevin J. Rowett)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: winfree uucp phone line not answering
Keywords: winfree KA9Q TCP/IP help

Bdales' UUCP winfree has not been accessable for the last five days.
Does anyone know the difficulty? Is anyone having similiar
problems? When we call, either the phone is busy, or does not answer.

I would email to Bdale, but his UUCP path probably depends on that
phone line as well.

N6RCE


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QSL the ignorance.
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Subject: News package for MS-DOS using NET.EXE?
Keywords: tcp/ip, amprnet
Date: 22 Feb 88 09:40:23 GMT

Does anybodody know if any news packages, e.g. rn, have been ported
for use under MS-DOS for use on the AMPRNET?  I am trying to stimulate
activity using tcp/ip here in the uk, but there needs to be a service
of some kind to grab the interest of the ham population.  The
possibility of replacing MBL BBSs with netnews systems with segregated
news conferences appeals; certainly to me anyway :-)
So what about it?
73 Gareth
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From: mcvax!ukc!stc!idec![e-mail] (Gareth Howell)
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Subject: Routing and Beacons in Net.EXE
Keywords: tcp/ip amprnet

Two Qs:
1). Is there currently any mechanism for automating the generation of
routing tables in NET.EXE?
2). Two features that would be nice in NET.EXE
    The ability to send beacon messages (we don't have much
    traffic in the uk at present and it is nice to be able to
    advertise your presence on a rather empty channel.
    The presence of the routing info in a separate file from
    AUTOEXEC.NET, as with the HOSTS.NET file.

73 Gareth
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Subject: Re: MFJ-1270B info wanted.....
Summary: Not so, Serial-breath!
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I recently (just this afternoon) I ordered a MFJ-1270B from
> Austin Amateur Supply, and was told that an adapter was not
> needed to connect the TNC to a Commodore 64/128.  The sales person
> told me that all that was needed was a card-edge connector
> (for the Commodore) and a cable.  I was under the impression
> that I would need an RS-232 adapter.  Any thoughts, comments,
> or ideas would be helpful!!!
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Ken Linder                       KA9RVK@N0HME
> Western Illinois University      [e-mail]

Not so, serial breath!  All one needs for a Commode-Door is two
connectors and a cable.  The MFJ has both EIA (It definitely AIN'T
RS-232C!!!) and ttl interfaces for serial I/O.

     So you see, you are in luck.  But then, for Commode-Door users,
"Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while." :-)
I don't REALLY dislike them, my dad has a couple.  But then, what can
you expect for a guy with a callsign of W5VD (he really asked for it!!)
73, Kurt wb5bbw


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Subject: Digicom modem

I've got the Digicom software (for the C64) and copies of the modem schematics,
but the quality of the copies is very poor. My circuit building abilities are
bad enough without the handicap of not being able to read the scematics. Does
anyone have a *clear* copy they'd be willing to mail me?


                    Devon Bowen (KA2NRC)
                    University at Buffalo

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Subject: Re: low power license free packet?
Summary: Finally, someone sees the reason
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Matthew Kaufman, KA6SQG)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>                  ...  The people asking for a Personal Digital Radio Service
>don't want to be hams.  They have no interest in ham radio and probably the
>most important idea being missed here is that what they want to use packet for
>would be illegal over amateur radio.  Take a look at what is on the various
>phone BBS's.  They are loaded with shareware, for sale ads, and advertisements
>for various commercial products.  All things definitely out of place on amateur

Right. Two Comments...
First, that is EXACTLY why I would like to see a personal packet
network using some frequencies other than amateur. There are LOTS of
things that I can legally talk about on CB that I can't talk about
on amateur radio such as business communications, etc...
In fact, one probably couldn't read most of these articles on an amateur packet
channel due to their contents.

Secondly, the reason that I proposed CB channels instead of some NEW
set of channels, is that it is very unlikely that any new VHF/UHF
channels are available for a public packet network. I would prefer
the top part of CB being taken for packet, instead of the top part
of 6 meters.

Matthew Kaufman, KA6SQG
  ([e-mail]) (...!ucbvax!ucscc!ucsck!matthew)

p.s. I started this discussion about allowing packet on CB...
please don't tell me to go out and
get a ham license... I already have one. Thank You.


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Subject: License-free packet...

Listening to all the people claiming that there should not be a
non-amatuer packet radio service because:

  There is nothing that can be done in computing over the air that
  cannot be done on the telephone.

I have to ask, what reason do we, as amateurs, have wasting our own
bandwidth on packet radio.

There ARE reasons for using packet radio instead of telephone.  There
are mobile stations.  There is the ability to communicate when phone
service is disrupted.  There is the ability to set up a system at a
temporary location without having to go though the hassle of having a
phone line installed for just a few days.  Finally, at the moment,
telephone does not provide a mechanism for broadcast semantics in a
network.

As to the claim that those interested in using radio for computer
communication should just join the amateur radio service, I disagree
on that point too.  While I will not argue that the cost of entry to
the amatuer service is too high, I don't think that one should be
required to join the amatuer service to have their computers
communicate by radio.  If the power one uses is small enough, and as
long as the communication is limited to frequencies that don't
interfere with other communications, what difference does it make to
you.

As a licensed amateur radio operator, I have found that restrictions
on message content in amateur radio has had a hindering affect on my
use of packet radio.  The ability to gateway between amateur radio and
other networks is restricted since I don't know what the content of
messages from the other side of the gateway will be.

Whereas the amateur bands allowed experimentation in packet radio that
led to low cost stations suitable to be used outside amateur radio,
and whereas the amatuer population has been claiming that as one of
the accomplishments that justifies its continued existence, I have a
hard time seeing how one can claim that packet radio should not be
allowed outside our ranks.

The use of radio instead of wire is not always appropriate, but one
certainly can not claim that it is so infrequently appropriate that it
shouldn't be allowed outside amateur radio.

    ~ Cliff
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: low power license free packet?
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>

> ... There is no reason why, in a
> few years, it can't be commonplace for there to be a packet box hooked up
> to the PC in every house...

Actually, yes there is:  choose a reasonable set of assumptions about how
many such boxes there are and how much traffic each one sends, and then
ask yourself how much spectrum space is necessary for this!  Don't forget
the desire for both interactive use, i.e. low and relatively constant
latency, and fast bulk transmission.  Then ask yourself whether there is
any reasonable part of the spectrum with that much free space.  Nope.

Moreover, this is a silly way to do things.  Radio is ideal for mobile
communications and broadcasting; using it as a substitute for wires
between two fixed points in a metropolitan area is dumb, not to say wasteful.
You can already buy a box which has many of the desired properties and needs
no spectrum space whatsoever!  It's called a Telebit Trailblazer, and it
gets 14kbps over normal phone lines.  If you believe the ISDN enthusiasts,
even this is small potatoes compared to what will be available soon.

There is, actually, reason for interest in packet radio links of this kind.
Not for computers in houses, but for laptops and their fancier successors
(e.g. the fabled Dynabook).  Unfortunately, such systems tend to want even
more spectrum, and it just isn't available.  What we may end up doing is
using broadcast optical (infrared) communications, which works fine at
short ranges in suitably-equipped areas.  If your Dynabook works in your
dorm room, in the library, in the study halls, and in the classrooms (or
non-academic equivalents of the above), it will be less important that it
won't work -- or at least won't talk to the outside world at high speed --
>from the beach.
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From: [e-mail] (John B. Nagle)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: low power license free packet?
Keywords: Bandwidth for nothing, gigabits for free
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      Looking out the window at the overcast, a thought comes to me.
Diffuse infrared systems have been built that work quite well indoors,
bouncing the signal off ceilings and walls so that line of sight is
not required.  Why not try diffuse infrared off the cloud deck as a
scheme for short-range outdoor communications?  Ranges of a few blocks
might be possible.  One could extend this with repeaters.  There would
be fading during good weather conditions, but in areas with smog and haze,
the atmosphere may never be transparent enough to prevent operation.

      Laser safety standards should not be a problem, since the beam is
diffused very widely and the peak energy per unit area, the regulated quantity
for lasers, will thus be very low.  Detection will require heavy filtering,
both optical and electronic, but with narrow-band optical interference
filters, negative s/n ratio modulation techniques, and packet error
correction, communication should be possible.

      Incidentally, all the necessary optical components, including
interference filters, are available from Edmund Scientific.

      No FCC licence is required for "blinking light signals", of course.

                    John Nagle


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From: ames!nrl-cmf!cmcl2!phri!dasys1![e-mail] (Andy Funk)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: COSI?????
Summary: COSI Name now ROSE, undergoing on-air beta testing
Keywords: RATS, COSI, ROSE, LEVEL-3
References: <[e-mail]>

 The Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society packet networking project is
going strong.  The ROSE Switch by Tom Moulton, W2VY is undergoing on-air
beta testing.  (A COSI by another name???  Yes, there's been a name change,
made necessary by the fact that there is a corporation with the initials
COSI.  The RATS Open Systems Environment -- ROSE -- is the name now given to
what we had been calling COSI.)

To obtain your copy of the ROSE Switch (free for non-commercial, Amateur Radio
use) please contact RATS:

     The Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society
     206 North Vivyen Street
     Bergenfield, NJ  07621
     UUCP: ...ihnp4!hotps!n2dsy-4!n2dsy

Yes, it's really on the air...  No "vapor-ware" here!!

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Subject: Re: Beacons in Net.EXE
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Gareth (G6KVK) already knows about this, but those of you running (or
contemplating running) PK232s might like to know that the beacon you can set up
in X25 mode (i.e. BTEXT......, BEA EVERY, and so on) keeps working once you
switch the TNC into KISS mode. I just put my IP address into the beacon message
(therebye prompting a lot of 'What's an IP address?' from the X25ers!!).

While we're on the subject of enhancements, how about getting NET to inspect the
HOSTS list when an incoming session arrives, e.g. getting a message like;

Incoming TELNET session from [44.131.19.1] G6KVK

or

Incoming TELNET session from [44.131.17.4] Unknown

And yes, I would do it myself, but the hard disk drive on my PC finally went
bang this weekend....Sigh.

73, Hugh.


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