World of Ham Radio 1994 January/AMSOFT_1994.iso/packet/docs/pd198701.doc

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We have developed three TNC-boards for different microcomputer
systems, our software ist totally written in a high level language
(Turbo PASCAL).

Are there any standards for mail protocols between the communicating
packet radio stations ? Who can help and send the missing information
to Germany ? We are ready to write our mail forwarding software
packages for the IBM-PC and CP/M computers.

Gunter, DL2VO
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Will you please add me to your packet-radio newgroup.

Thank you,

Gunter, DL2VO
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Are there paths / BBS's currently available to the U.K.  and Europe?



       73, Bradshaw K1TE @ K1BC


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I have in mind ham - ham type traffic.  I expect that there must be some

local living operator on hand restriction.  I was wondering if I could
get

there in some automated way from my local vhf bbs.

tnx Dave, 73 Bradshaw K1TE @ K1BC

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You can get the sources off of louie.udel.edu:/pub with anonymous ftp.
73

 -bob N7AKR
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Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN, who is handling the floppy distribution of my TCP/IP code
for the PC, has the following address:

Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN
19200 Tilford Way
Germantown, MD  20874

I am willing to handle LIMITED requests personally, IF I receive two
pre-formatted 5.25" DSDD MS-DOS floppies AND a return mailer with postage.
I tend to let these things accumulate, though, so you may not get a quick
response.  However, the longer I take the more recent version you get!

I encourage copying (for noncommercial purposes only) of my stuff, especially
if it reduces the number of copies I have to make personally.

For those of you on the ARPA Internet, I periodically update a copy of my
stuff on louie.udel.edu. Use anonymous FTP and look for /pub/net.tar.Z.

73,
Phil Karn, KA9Q
25-B Hillcrest Rd
Warren, NJ 07060


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Unfortunately, ham -> ham communication is third party
traffic if it gets relayed.  Such as through your local vhf pbbs.
I suppose your only legal method right now is to work the station
direct on 30 or 20 meters.  Hopefully the FCC will give a little
more leeway to HF packet operations soon.

-Mitch, K2VD @ KC3BQ


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    Clearly, for the FCC to interpret "third party" to include
    all ham-ham communications that merely happen to pass through
    a relay station would be absurd. Last I heard, the issue was
    "under discussion". Let's hope it goes our way.

I agree, for such a view would seem to make communication between US
amateurs and european amateurs via amateur satellites transponders
illegal.

Communication between US amateurs and european amateurs via amateur
satellites transponders is a common occurance.  Why would communication
via a repeater or a digipeater be considered to be any different?

If communications via repeaters or digipeater between hams in countries
that do not have third party agreements were considered illegal, then
wouldn't communication via amateur satellites transponders be considered
illegal too?


Greg, WB6DEO


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Greg,

The Amateur Satellite Service has been considered distinct from the Amateur
Service for some FCC purposes, like frequency coordination for the transponder
downlinks. At one time it was legal to use ASCII via a transponder, but not
direct! In such a climate you could hardly expect the rules to be rational
with respect to Earth and space digipeaters. I find it useful to imagine
how the world appears to a Commissioner and uphold the Principle of Least
Astonishment.

Dave
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I am very interested in amateur packet radio but honestly don't know much
about it.  I have an Apple //e at home that I would just love to interface
to my HF/VHF equimpent.  I am interested in a book or any other information
that would get me started.  I have a good basic knowledge of data transmission
so could probably skip the basic theory stuff.  What I'd really like to know
is how do I get on the air with what I have and what can I do once I get
things up and running.

Any help would be appreciated!     73!


Bob Barker  (WD0GOL)         UUCP: ihnp4!meccts!ems!barker
EMS/McGraw-Hill              ATT: [phone]
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I am very interested in amateur packet radio but honestly don't know much
about it.  I have an Apple //e at home that I would just love to interface
to my HF/VHF equimpent.  I am interested in a book or any other information
that would get me started.  I have a good basic knowledge of data transmission
so could probably skip the basic theory stuff.  What I'd really like to know
is how do I get on the air with what I have and what can I do once I get
things up and running.

Any help would be appreciated!     73!


Bob Barker  (WD0GOL)         UUCP: ihnp4!meccts!ems!barker
EMS/McGraw-Hill              ATT: [phone]
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This message announces the release to SIMTEL20 of two new versions of
the W0RLI MailBox/GateWay packet radio software.

The first release is version 11.9 of the Xerox-820 based system which
has been evolving over the last few years.

The second release is version 1.5 of a re-implementation of that
system in the C language, for IBM-PC class machines and others.

Hank (W0RLI) has now washed his hands of the Xerox-820 version of the
system and has given me permission to release my recent version of it
as Version 11.9.  He is now spending his efforts on the C version
(having acquired an AT-clone). It is not clear whether any more
releases will be made of the 820 version.

Both versions are available at SIMTEL20, in the following files:

820 version:
Filename                        Type     Bytes   CRC

Directory PD:<CPM.PACKET>
RLI119.ARK.1                    BINARY  219610  11F3H

C version:
Directory PD:<MSDOS.PACKET>
BUG.RPT.1                       ASCII     1597  FA00H
CIO13.ARC.1                     BINARY   42752  E552H
RUN15.ARC.1                     BINARY   61824  7DE9H
SRC15.ARC.1                     BINARY   69888  7D19H

Distribution of both versions will also continue to be available from
Wes, K7PYK, in return for blank formatted disks in reusable self-
addressed mailers with return postage.  I will also make copies (for
the 820 version ONLY) under the same conditions (K1BC at my callbook
address).

The 820 version requires one 8" SSSD disk for the regular distribution,
and another disk for the source files if you want them.  I can also
provide the 820 version on a 5.25" IBM-PC disk, for distribution,
but of course it doesn't execute from those disks.

The C version is being posted to CompuServe as new releases become
available. I'm not a CompuServe subscriber. Perhaps someone could
volunteer to act as gateway from CompuServe to SIMTEL20 for those
releases?

Following are excerpts from the documentation files for the two
releases:

From the 820 version CHANGES.TNC file:


    Changes and additions since version 11.8 are:

   Changes from K1BC:
   Add counter of What? and Can't do it errors. If get a lot of them
   in one connect, force a timeout.  Recovers from at least some cases of
   missing a *** Disconnected.
   Add NE command. Lets user toggle his own "Expert" bit.
   Add NH command. Lets user tell us his Home BBS. (Sysop still
   has to extract it from USER.DAT and use it in FWD.TNC.)
   Add GZ command. Does GU and at same time clears "last read msg number"
   for each user. Use when you do a GR, so user doesn't miss new msgs the
   first time he logs in after GR.
   Change to login: Used to be when a remote sysop connected, he didn't
   get the "you have new mail" msg. Now he does, but only if he isn't also
   a BBS (don't want it when connect for forwarding).
   Ask user for his home BBS when he connects, if we don't know it. Text
   is configurable, can be null if you don't want this.
   Notice when someone reads somebody else's mail, i.e., mail to a real
   callsign other than his own (except B and T type mail are OK to
   read). Send a msg when he does this. Message can be impolite, polite
   or omitted. If you have a user who you want to prevent from doing this,
   mark him disabled on either port A or port B (whichever he doesn't use)
   and he will be prevented from reading other people's mail.
   Enforce length check on "TO" calls. If it's over 6, it can't be
   right, so do a "What?" error.  Catches "S W1BC@K1BC" where he should
   have said "S W1BC @ K1BC".
   If someone does an "S" command while he is connected by a link from
   another BBS, send a message to him after accepting the msg.  This
   msg can be omitted, but is intended to be a reminder that he is tying
   up two BBSes by doing that and he should just send it locally and
   let it be forwarded.
   Remove the following glitch: Used to be, if you did KT instead of K,
   a service msg was generated even if the msg being killed was not
   a "T" type message. Led to confusion. Now don't make S msg unless
   killed msg was a T msg.
   If a user is excluded on both A and B ports, don't let him in via
   linking from another BBS, either.
   Add config parameter to restrict "*** LINKED to" connects to BBS only.
   Add time-of-day dependent parameters: BBS only on A,B and L, GateWay on.
   Add "Busy" vs "Quiet" hours definition in config file.

    Changes and additions since version 11.7 are:

   Fix bug that caused rejection of connects through digis with 2 by 1 calls.


From the C version readme file:


       The W0RLI / VE3GYQ C BBS

  Release notes for C BBS Version 1.5 - 1/05/87

  aa4re / wa7mbl serial port drivers now used,
  they are in bios.arc, see bios.doc for details.
  (Thank You Roy, Jeff and Gary!).
  MBMODE can be used to set the port parameters.

  The code has been run on:
    Several flavors of IBM and compatibles.
    Xerox 820, Victor 9000, Zenith Z-100.

  ... Hank

From the C version notes.mb file:


     W0RLI MailBox and GateWay   Version 1.5 - 1/4/87   Page  1



     Created for packet community by:

        Hank Oredson, W0RLI
        134 Ponderosa Drive
        Santa Cruz, CA 95060



     Distributed through Compuserve, and by:

        Wes Morris, k7pyk
        7422 E. McKinley St.
        Scottsdale, AZ 85257



   Special thanks to VE3GYQ for GateWay code,
   AA4RE and WA7MBL for IBM port drivers.


   These notes are rough, more release notes and tech notes than
   anything else. A SYSOPS Manual has not yet been written.

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Posted by: Bob Clements, K1BC

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From: [e-mail] (Bdale Garbee)
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Subject: Re: TCP/IP Sources Available for Packet?
Summary: I am the central distribution point.
Keywords: KA9Q N3EUA TCP IP PC packet
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Hays) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if Phil Karn's sources are available for
>porting to other hardware?

The answer is YES.  I am now the official integrator and central distribution
point for the package, and have both binary and full source archives available
online.

By far the easiest way to get it for all involved is to download it from my
BBS, which is Fidonet node 128/19, running Opus software.  The phone number
is 303/593-0766, 2400 baud max, up almost 24 hrs/day.  First time users get
sufficient resources to download the code with no problems.

The sources are also on my Unix box, but there is no anonymous access there
right now.  Sufficient demand might change that situation.

I have been making small numbers of floppy copies, but Brian WB6RQN is
definitely the man to see about floppies.  I don't have an address for him
handy though... via uucp he is ...bellcore!wb6rqn!brian.  Other secondary
distribution points include Bob N3CVL in Pittsburgh, Doug KD4NC in Georgia,
and Wally WA6JPR (I think) in CA.  If you know one of these folks, they get
direct uucp updates as they are released.

The code on louie.udel.edu is rarely up-to-date.  Ditto for the code on
sdcsvax.  I am working to create better mechanisms for getting the code out
to Arpa folk, but for now I wouldn't get it that way.

Note that there is now a real version numbering scheme in use, and the current
code is v870119.0.  If the stuff you have doesn't come up with a banner that
includes that version number, you're running buggy code.  (Sorry :-)

Feel free to holler if this creates more questions than it answers.

--

Bdale Garbee, N3EUA             phone: [phone] h, 303/590-2868 w
uucp: {bellcore,crash,hp-lsd,hpcsma,pitt,usafa,vixie}!winfree!bdale
fido: sysop of 128/19           packet: n3eua @ k0hoa, Colorado Springs


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon)
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Subject: Re: packet to europe
Summary: Even harder to believe!!!
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg DesBrisay) writes:
>
>       Clearly, for the FCC to interpret "third party" to include
>       all ham-ham communications that merely happen to pass through
>       a relay station would be absurd. Last I heard, the issue was
>       "under discussion". Let's hope it goes our way.
>
> I agree, for such a view would seem to make communication between US
> amateurs and european amateurs via amateur satellites transponders
> illegal.
>
> Greg, WB6DEO


Although the satellites seem to be exempt from this kind of consideration
what about 2 meter repeaters with links to 10 meter repeaters? I personally
have used such a link to talk to people in Great Britain and they probably
didn't even realize that I wasn't on 10. When you consider that other users
of the repeater were tech's it seems even more like third party but it also
seems to have been exempted as long as both ends were hams.

Sure be glad when they finally resolve all this.

bill gunshannon


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You guessed it, we were rooting for Denver...just because if they
won we could say that the Chargers beat Denver so....  but  guess
the logic gets lost on the Giants noise.  I was telling Mary that
this contest was really the Jews against the Christians...but she
did't think that was nice.

You   should   see  our  weather.   Yesterday  I  worked  on  the
car...seems that every pice of rubber has turned to stone in  the
Z  car.   Now  there  is  blood  all over the engine.  I did that
before the game and licked the wounds (both) during the game.  It
was  about  80 yesterday, today too.  We had the house open until
about 5PM.  IT hasn't been that warm for weeks.  And today I hear
that  all DC airports are closed.  That is no loss.  Everybody go
home and haver a beer.

Ya, Dan called me and I suggested  that  he  call  you  directly.
Seems  that  there  is  different ways to do it depending on your
status....Dan is very compitent CPA and will do a  good  job  for
you,  free too!  If this screws anything up..let me know.  I mean
if you don't hear from him when you feel you should...Dan told me
that  this  could  mean  as  much  as $4000 difference in the tax
due..if we do it right.

Enjoy the snow...  73
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Date: 26 Jan 1987 10:53-EST
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Subject: Re: packet to europe
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I just did dumb thing  and send you message by error....one prior to this one.
Please dissregard.  thanks
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Subject:  IC-230:packet:XTAL??
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Anyone modify an IC-230 to run on packet?  WHat crystal frequency from
what company in what socket did you use?  Are you happy with its packet
performance?
    tnx =bradshaw  K1TE @ K1BC
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i sent my question to packet-radio -at EDDIE.MIT.EDU.  why did it appear
twice.  it makes me ffeeeell that that ii amam not not inin
ccoonnttrrooll.  i wouldn't mind the return answer on packet instead of
here......tnx =bradshaw K1TE @ K1BC (0dlaw)