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TELECOM Digest     Tue, 8 Feb 94 02:45:00 CST    Volume 14 : Issue 67

Inside This Issue:                         Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Please Dial 507-XXXX. No, Please Don't do That (Mark Brader)
    Codex Modem - Sun SparcStation Configuration Settings Needed (Jim Guentner)
    Internet Access in Singapore (Gregory J. Donaldson)
    Microwave Transmissions (Matt McClung)
    Thanks For Using Your Local Phone Company (Douglas W. Martin)
    Help Needed With Panasonic Easaphone (John Geddie)
    Router Problem (Meade Eggleston)
    Temporary Cellular For Travellers (Joel Disini)
    Need Poisson Tables (Al Farnham)
    Blinking Lights to Announce Phone Calls (Bill Bradford)
    Re: A Small Town in Wyoming  (Mark Crispin)
    Re: A Small Town in Wyoming (Tom Coradeschi)
    Re: Advertising by New York Telephone (Barry Margolin)
    Re: BBS Getting Internet Mail (Chris Ambler)
    Re: Unmetered Local Service (Jeff Hakner)
    Re: Remapping Phone Buttons (Hiro Sugawara)
    Re: Clipper Petition (Chaim Frenkel)
    Re: V.32vis -> Bell_102 Due to CO Data Compression (S. Ssatchell)
    Re: Lebanon Telephone Infrastructure (Fadi J. Kurdahi)

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Brader)
Subject: Please Dial 507-XXXX.  No, Please Don't do That
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 06:50:03 GMT


[Background: area code 905 was split off 416 in October.  Local calls
between these two area codes are dialed as 10 digits, but as
permissive dialing is still in effect for another month or so, seven
digits still works.]

Yesterday I tried to call the phone number on someone's business card.
The number on the card was 416-624-XXXX and I was calling from
416-239-XXXX.  The call was intercepted, and the recording informed me
that the number I was calling, 624-XXXX, had been changed to 507-XXXX.

So I hung up and dialed 507-XXXX -- and the call was intercepted.
This time the recording informed me that the number had moved to area
code 905 and I would soon have to dial the 905 before the number, but
my call was now being put through.

The call was then intercepted *again* and went to voice mail.

My first thought was that the first intercept was silly to not tell me
the area code.  But then I realized that in fact the 624 prefix is
*also* in area code 905 -- both are Cooksville numbers, in Mississauga
 -- so the change of numbers had not changed the area code and the
intercept was reasonable.

What wasn't so reasonable was that I didn't get the second intercept
message on the first call, to remind me that 624 had moved to 905 ...

I had intended to reproduce here the exact wording of the second
intercept, but I'm typing this at home, and I find that from my home
phone in 416-488-XXXX, using seven digits to dial a local call to 905
does not produce any intercept.


Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, utzoo!sq!msb, [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 08:29:42 PST
From: [e-mail] (Jim Guentner(23057))
Subject: Codex Modem - Sun SparcStation Configuration Settings Needed


I have a Motorola 3261 modem.  I gave tried and failed to configure it
correctly on and off for two months.

I am trying to set up a simple 9600 dial in/out line on a Sun
SparcStation 10.  I currently have Hayes SmartModem 2400 working on
the same Sparc10, so I think the configuration on the Sun side is not
the problem.

I have very little knowledge of CCITT, rs232, sync., async. or any
other type of communication protocal, so cofiguring this nodem has
become a nightmare. I am about ready to send it back to motorola and
tell them to shuv it ... or throw it out the window.

Has anyone ever got a Codex 3260 configured and working on a Sparc10,
or any other Sparc for that matter.  If you have, could you PLEASE
mail me a copy of your switch and register configuration settings!


Jim Guentner  716-422-3057   [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Internet Access in Singapore
From: [e-mail] (Gregory J. Donaldson)
Date: 7 Feb 94 11:48:56 -0700
Organization: SYSCON Corporation


Several months ago there was a thread on free Internet access in
Singapore.  Back then I was not interested in this topic but now I am.
Does anyone have this information or is there an archive that might
have the original postings.


Thanks!

Greg Donaldson, Senior Systems Analyst    SYSCON Corporation
[e-mail]                 1000 Thomas Jefferson St. NW
[phone]                            Washington, DC 20007


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The Telecom Archives is accessible using
anonymous ftp lcs.mit.edu. You can begin your search there through the
indexes of authors and subjects. If you prefer to use the email information
service, then use the SEARCH command within the text of your email
request. For a help file on how to use the Telecom Archives Email Inform-
ation Service, just ask me.     PAT]

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From: [e-mail] (Matt McClung)
Subject: Microwave Transmissions
Date: 7 Feb 1994 10:17:44 -0700
Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello


I am on a informational seach on microwave transmissions and its
applications If you have any information or can direct my efforts
towards someplace that does (besides my U's Library...) I would be
appreciative of the help.  I am a novice in this area of
communications and am trying to inform myself for the future use of
this technology.


Matt McClung     [e-mail]    [phone]

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 13:58:51 PST
From: [e-mail] (Douglas W. Martin)
Subject: Thanks For Using Your Local Phone Company


     Speaking of telecom in small town America, I was in Rugby, North
Dakota last July, and made a credit card call from a pay phone.  I got
the standard "bong", entered my card number, and got, "Thanks for
using your local telephone company."  I've used lots of pay phones,
COCOTS mostly, that thank me for using some wierd long distance
carrier, but "your local phone company"!?  Anybody know anything
about the system in Rugby ND;, what kind of switches are used, and what
carrier might have handled my call?


Doug Martin      [e-mail]


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I suspect the local telco just never did
change the default message supplied by the vendor (possibly AT&T) when
they bought the equipment to provide the bong tone, initiate the validation
process and thank the customer. On the other hand, maybe you *were*
using a COCOT (unwittingly perhaps; some are very cleverly designed so
that only a real expert or telecom-affectionado would know the difference)
and your call was one the AOS for the COCOT did not want to handle or
could not handle for some reason and it was bounced back to traditional
telco for handling. If the COCOT/AOS people deal with local telcos all
over the USA (many do), then they might have programmed their machine to
give that generic thank-you message, much in the same way that when AT&T
sends out voucher checks to subscribers they make no attempt to customize
the payee. In every instance, the line simply reads 'Pay to the Order of
The Telephone Company' for obvious reasons of convenience in handling.  PAT]

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From: [e-mail] (John Geddie)
Subject: Help Needed With Panasonic Easaphone
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 18:47:50 MST


I need help. I have a Panasonic Easaphone telephone/answering machine,
model number KX-T2390, but no instruction booklet. In order to get the
answering machine and fax machine to work together on the same line, I
need to be able to set the answering machine to answer after one to
four rings. At present, because of the toll saver function, it
normally will only answer after ring number fiue. Can anyone give me
instructions on how to change the ring setting?  I'd appreciate e-mail
if you can help.


John Geddie   [e-mail]
home: [phone]  work: [phone]

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Subject: Router Problem
From: [e-mail] (Meade Eggleston)
Date: 07 Feb 94 10:37:24 EST


Hi all,

I'm in the middle of a very strange problem.  I have a 56K line
between two sites.  When I try to route IP packets accross this line I
get an unacceptable number of CRC errors.  My current setup is as
follows:

     Side A
     Router - Cisco 4000, SW Ver 9.1(4), 2 Serial, 1 Ether.
     CSU/DSU- Codex 3500

     Side B - Cisco CSC2, SW Ver 8.2(7), 2 Serial, 2 Ether.
     CSU/DSU- Codex 3500

The routers are also used to connect into the Internet.  They can do
this without any problem.  I've had the telco test the line and they
can't find any problems.

I turned off all routing and ran a test where variable length packets
were sent from one router to the other.  During this test, which ran
for three days, I didn't have one CRC error.  As soon as I tried to
route packets across this line the amount of CRC increases quickly.

I've had Cisco look at the configuration and they can't find any thing
wrong with it.

If anyone has any suggestions or has had a similar problem, please
e-mail me.


Thanks,

Meade Eggleston     Manager Data Processing/Telecommications
[e-mail]
Readmore Inc.      (800) 221 - 3306
22 Cortlandt St.   (212) 233 - 0746 (Fax)
NY, NY 10007

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From: [e-mail] (Disini SW, Emmanuel Disini,CST)
Subject: Temporary Cellular For Travellers
Date: 7 Feb 1994 03:50:46 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway


I am a foreigner who will be in the US for an extended period of time
 -- about two or three months, and will be travelling all about. In
that time I would like to have a cellular phone available so I can
stay in touch with all my clients/contacts.  Ideally I would like to
arrive in the US, activate the phone, use it, leave after two or three
months, deactivate the phone, and not pay any more monthly charges
till my next visit. I wondering though if such a plan is feasible? I
know that Pacific Bell, for instance, has a hefty activation and
deactivation charge for regular residential/business telephones.  For
someone who will be using a cellular phone heavily (say 30-60 calls
a day), does using a cellular make more sense than, say, getting a
pager, and using an AT&T calling card from whatever phone is
available?

Please cc your responses to [e-mail]. (I don't get this
newsgroup.)


Thanks,

Joel Disini

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From: [e-mail]
Date: 7 Feb 94 09:17:00 -0500
Subject: Need Poisson Tables


I am in need of Poisson tables (P.001, P.005, P.01, P.05) for trunk
groups with 200 to 500 trunks.

All the information I have stops at 200 trunks.


TIA,

Al

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 11:29:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Bill Bradford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Blinking Lights to Announce Phone Calls


Speaking of blinking lights announcing phone calls:

I'm a disk jockey at a local 100Kw country radio station.  Instead of
a bell on the phone, there's a lightbulb in the ceiling.  Instead of
ringing, the light flashes on and off rapidly (as to not interfere if
the DJ is giving the weather, etc).  We've also got a standard
multi-line phone, but it's modified to not ring (the DJ just has to
notice the light ringing, or hear the phones in the other rooms
ringing, if the control room door is open).


Bill Bradford   [e-mail] * [e-mail]
[e-mail]


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It is common in radio rooms to wire the
phone bell in series through the microphone key in such a way that
when the microphone is live (and the person there is 'on the air')
that the phone bell will remain silent and a beehive lamp is illuminated
instead.  When I was heavily 'into' CB Radio about fifteen years ago,
I had my base station wired that way. Using six conductor cable, the
phone line came in on the traditional red/green but the bell was not
in the circuit.  The yellow/black pair then took telco back out of the
phone and to a little relay box under my desk. When the microphone was
not keyed up, then one relay was normally open ('on the air' sign was
dark) and another relay was normally closed (telco looped through it
and came back to the bell in the phone via the blue/white pair which
fed only the bell in the phone.  When the microphone was keyed up, the
relays flipped the other way, lighting the 'on the air' sign and the
circuit to the phone bell would go open.  The beehive lamp was wired
in parallel so it always flashed, bell ringing or not. That worked okay
when I was doing strictly AM transmissions since the relays took about
three watts of power (the RF carrier going to the antenna) to activate.
When I started using USB/LSB (upper sideband and lower sideband) I had
trouble. Sideband does not use carrier, or not that much of it. Sideband
uses the voice modulations. The RF carrier was not sufficient to throw the
relays, except when I modulated (or talked), and then the 'on the air'
sign would flash off and on and the relays would chatter.

The way I operated my radio was by having a microphone hang down from
the ceiling right in front of my face on a chain such as used for a
swag-lamp; to key-up I had a foot switch from an old Dictaphone
machine. Sitting at my desk, I'd step on the switch, talk, then move
my foot off the switch.  That left both hands free to do other things.
I also had a microphone/earphone combination I constructed out of a
telephone operator's headset and wired via the foot pedal. I also had
a phone patch so I could put phone calls over the air or place phone
calls for CB'ers in distress in their automobiles; and an intercom to
the antenna which was eight stories above me (I was on the first floor
of an eight story building overlooking Lake Michigan; the antenna was
a hundred feet above me mounted on the roof of the elevator machine
room on the top of the building.) To adjust the antenna, one person
would be at the base downstairs and someone else would be on top of
the elevator penthouse; we'd talk on the intercom.  That antenna had
to endure some **strong** winds and a couple of very severe Chicago
winters up there.  PAT]

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 17:46:19 PST
From: Mark Crispin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A Small Town in Wyoming


In Bainbridge Island, WA, it is common for people -- particularly
long-term residents -- to give their phone number as four digits,
meaning "842 plus the four digits".

A couple of years ago, the 780 exchange was added.  But, hardly anyone
is on it, and certainly nobody important, just some newcomers.  ;-) ;-)

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From: Tom Coradeschi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A Small Town in Wyoming
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 15:21:24 GMT


[e-mail] (John Sullivan) wrote:

> While driving across South Dakota and Wyoming last fall, there wasn't
> much choice of radio stations to listen to.  At one point I was near
> Buffalo, Wyoming, tuned to FM 92.7, which at the time was giving local
> small-town news.  This included notice that someone had found a dog.
> The owner was asked to "call us [the radio station] at 5126".

> Could it be that in this town, four-digit dialing is possible?  Or
> does everyone just know what the exchange is?  (The phone book at the
> next gas station showed Buffalo as 684, I think.)

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Although four digit dialing might still
> be possible, it is unlikely. Probably everyone in town gives their number
> out that way, with the exchange assumed.

Quite likely. My dry cleaners writes down my phone number as 2-5459.
Everyone knows what the first two digits are ...


tom coradeschi <+> [e-mail] <+> DoD#413


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My mother lives in Independence, Kansas
and the people there do the same thing; just the last four digits with
the 316-331 part assumed.   PAT]

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From: [e-mail] (Barry Margolin)
Subject: Re: Advertising by New York Telephone
Date: 8 Feb 1994 04:14:20 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA


In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James
Joseph) writes:

> New York Telephone has been spending truck loads of money advertising
> that they are changing their name to NYNEX.

We're also getting them in New England Telephone land.

> As a subscriber am *I* paying for these commercials?  Or is it coming
> out of their profits? (Yeah, get real, James!!)  Why are they doing
> it?  Who cares what their name is?  Couldn't they just have included
> an insert in the monthly phone bills?

If they weren't going to make a big deal about it, they wouldn't have
bothered changing their names in the first place.  The reason they
changed the names of the subsidiaries was to change their image.

The advertising that has always annoyed me is the "We're the one for you,
New England" commercials, asking you to use NET to call your friends and
relatives within Massachusetts.  What other phone company would we use?

Presumably, the goal of both the name change and the advertising is to
increase revenues.  Assuming it succeeds and the increased revenues
offset the cost of the advertising, the cost isn't coming out of
anyone's pockets; the profits might even result in the next rate
increase being smaller (yeah, right :-).  If it doesn't, it was a bad
business decision, just like any other failed project.  I'm sure NYNEX
has spent our money on lots of failed projects -- the only difference
with this one is that we can see it going on.

We subscribers are also paying alot more for upgrades to CO's to
support ISDN, and it will probably be much longer before the phone
companies see ISDN turn a profit than they see positive results of the
name change.


Barry Margolin   System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.
[e-mail]          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Ambler - Fubar)
Subject: Re: BBS Getting Internet Mail
Organization: The Phishtank
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 1994 06:28:30 GMT


[e-mail] says:
> A friend and I are looking into setting up a BBS that we would like to
> have access to Internet e-mail.  Just something where once/twice a day
> we connect to a host and send/get messages out the gate.  Is this
> possible/available/done anywhere else?

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No leased or other special lines are
> needed. There are BBS software packages available -- many for free --
> which have a UUCP-style interface built into them which allows the
> BBS to call and exchange mail/news with some other site. Waffle is
> one such program, and there is a newsgroup devoted to it.   PAT]

To grab for some of that equal time(tm), Major BBS and Wildcat! both
offer UUCP gateways for their systems. I happen to like them both very
much, but that may be because I wrote the transport engines for them. :-)


Christopher  [e-mail] / [e-mail]
Christopher J. Ambler, Author, FSUUCP 1.42, FSVMP 1.0, UUPlus Utilities


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Whatever happened with you guys and your
problem with the Sprint modems? Are you still suing Sprint?  PAT]

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Hakner)
Subject: Re: Unmetered Local Service
Organization: The Cooper Union ( NY, NY )
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 06:04:19 GMT


In article <[e-mail]>, Charles Reichley
<[e-mail]> says:

> For MOST things in this world, we all pay the same price regardless of
> how much we use it.  I will pay the same for a TV as you, even if you
> watch your TV eight hours a day and I only watch mine for an hour a
> day.  The only things which we pay for use are things that are
> actually USED UP.  We pay for each gallon of heating oil, for each

[...discussion of electricity and cable TV ...]

> makes no difference whether I watch the cable or not.  In the same
> way, if more people make phone calls, the phone company has to install
> additional switches/lines/equipment.  But once the equipment is in
> place, the cost for the phone company is the same whether I make a
> phone call or not.  Maybe phone usage should be billed on a split-system,
> where people are charged by the minute during times when the usage is
> over 80%, but not charged when the usage is less than that.

There is a subtle flaw in this line of reasoning.  While a one hour
phone conversation may not incur a greater expenditure of consumables
than a one minute conversation, a large number of people making long
calls will decrease the available bandwidth on inter-office lines.  In
today's complex market of data channels being carried by telcos, this
translates into less spare bandwidth that can be sold to other
customers.  In addition, there is the motivation issue: By charging
for connect time, conservation of bandwidth is encouraged, thus
maximizing the telco's ROI from capital equipment.

Exercise for the reader: consider economic motivation in the context
of contemporary Internet connectivity, where most sites are charged a
flat rate for peak bandwidth, and the effects that per-packet and/or
per-byte rate structures would (will?!) have on Internet usage patterns,
and (extra credit) Internet culture in general.

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From: [e-mail] (Hiro Sugawara)
Subject: Re: Remapping Phone Buttons
Organization: Lynx Real-Time Systems, Inc., Los Gatos, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 00:12:05 GMT


In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Amer
Neely) writes:

> I have a third-party phone which I purchased quite some time ago.
> Recently a friend tried to call her place to check for messages on her
> Bell Call Answer. She couldn't get past the point where she was asked
> to `Press the pound key ...'. On my phone it's mapped to a Redial
> function.  Is it possible to re-wire the phone or something so this
> can be done? I don't really need the redial and would just as soon
> have a fully compatible phone if possible (without renting one from
> Bell). Also, the star button is mapped to Mute. Is this something I
> can change too?

Buy any phone that has separate redial and mute buttons (and thus the
pound and star buttons do work as expected). I bought a GE phone
recently at a local store at $19.95.

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Chaim Frenkel)
Subject: Re: Clipper Petition
Date: 7 Feb 94 14:00:55 GMT
Organization: Nonlinear Knowledge, Inc.


In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Dave Banisar) writes:

> Many people have expressed interest in adding their names to the
> letter.  In  response to these requests, CPSR is organizing an
> Internet petition drive to oppose the Clipper proposal.  We will
> deliver the signed petition to the White House, complete with the
> names of all the people who oppose Clipper.

> To sign on to the letter, send a message to:

> [e-mail]

> with the message "I oppose Clipper" (no quotes)

I may be getting paranoid, but this is ridiculous. What ties my
signature to the document that will be delivered to the President. And
if the president (or his advisors) had any sense, why should they
trust the signatures?  Consider the possiblity of a massive grep
through the News Spool directory and just add names to the list.  And
if you don't want to work hard, just get the names database from
rtfm.mit.edu.

I think this is counter-productive. Real signatures and hard copy
letters would be more appropriate.


Chaim Frenkel      On contract at:
[e-mail]      [e-mail]
Nonlinear Knowledge, Inc.   Bear Stearns & Co., Inc.

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From: [e-mail] (ssatchell on BIX)
Subject: Re: V.32vis -> Bell_102 Due to CO Data Compression
Date: 19 Jan 94 02:58:44 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation


[e-mail] (Ross Porter) writes:

> A few days ago my father-in-law reported that he could no longer get a
> V.32bis connection between his Gainesville home and the University of
> Florida's modem pool.  1200bps (Bell 102) was the best he could do.
> He of course initially suspected his own equipment, but he later
> learned from the data center staff that a number of other people
> suddenly developed this problem.  The local telephone people reported
> that they had recently installed some data compression equipment that
> could well cause this problem.  Since voice traffic is relatively
> unaffected, the phone company politely abdicated any further
> responsibility.

> Could someone speculate and enlighten me as to what kind of data
> compression is being used -- is it lossy (given the large drop in
> maximum transmission rate)?  I am not unsympathetic to the telephone
> company's position, but does anyone have suggestions for lobbying the
> telephone company?

This is a problem, and I've found that the FCC Rules and Regulations
cover this situation.

Oh, yes, more than likely the local phone company converted a number
of people from a clear-channel subscriber line carrier (SLC) system to
one with "pairgain" or ADPCM.  (More than likely, ITU-T Recommendation
G.721 since this is known to give modems fits.)

Before I can do anything to help stop this nonsense, I need help: a
list of all the local exchange carriers in the United States.  Once I
send a one-page letter to each and every one of these companies (with
a copy to the FCC) then the phone company will never be able to make
such a change without written notification to the customers well
enough in advance that they can do something.

I'd rather not tip my hand *too* much until I get the foundation in
place.  Any help appreciated.


[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Fadi J. Kurdahi)
Subject: Re: Lebanon Telephone Infrastructure
Date: 7 Feb 1994 17:24:59 GMT
Organization: UC Irvine, Dept. of ECE
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Fadi J. Kurdahi)


In article <[e-mail]>, Alex Cena <[e-mail]>
writes:

> The Lebanese government has approved contracts to buy one million
> telephone lines from Alcatel Alsthom NV, Siemens AG and AB L.M.
> Ericsson.  How the work will be divided between the three vendors will
> share the work still has not been decided.  Can someone tell me what
> role if any wireless technology, especially cellular, may play in this
> project?

As far as I can tell, there is another contract out for bids on a
separate cellular system. The above contract is only for standard
telephone overhaul, and to increase the capacity from ~500K lines to
1M lines. The current contract is worth about $380M.


Regards,

Fadi J. Kurdahi, Associate Professor  PHONE: [phone]
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering FAX:   [phone]
University of California at Irvine  EMAIL: [e-mail],
Irvine, CA 92717 USA    [e-mail]

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