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- TELECOM Digest Mon, 31 Jan 94 14:45:30 CST Volume 14 : Issue 53
-
- Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
-
- Re: INTERNET Connections: What's Involved? (Lars Poulsen)
- Re: Real Time Audio Compression (Ketil Albertsen)
- Re: ISDN NT1 Power Source (Bob Larribeau)
- Re: Informing Ourselves to Death (Tom Horsley)
- _Technopoly_ by Neil Postman (19249@mwvm.mitre.org)
- Brendan Update and His "Thanks" (CuD via Monty Solomon)
- How to Make a Sun Send Messages to a Pager or a GSM Phone (Jurgen Debedts)
- DID Questions (Thomas Tengdin)
- Data Over Power Lines (Stewart Fist)
- Cheap PBX For Home - Where? (Frank Keeney)
- Internet E-Mail Access in Mexico (Jeremie Kass)
- ISDN and Caller-ID (Will Martin)
- Pac Bell and the Earthquake (The Network Group)
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- From: lars@Eskimo.CPH.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen)
- Subject: Re: INTERNET Connections: What's Involved?
- Organization: CMC Networ.|k Products, Copenhagen DENMARK
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:04:52 GMT
-
-
- In article <telecom14.50.15@eecs.nwu.edu> 92065034@ramsey.cs.laurentian.
- ca (J. Guitard) writes:
-
- > I would like some info on what's involved in connecting to the
- > Internet. At first I thought the only way to connect was through a T1
- > line, but now I hear you can connect with a 9600 baud line. Someone
- > told me they were connected through their local internet provider. Who
- > are these local internet providers? What are the costs for these
- > lines and monthly fees, etc? Email me or post here.
-
- Since you are posting from the computer science department of a
- Canadian University, I presume that you already are Internet connected
- at school, and your question is directed more towards "How can a
- person get a personal Internet connection that does not depend on
- Government sponsored privileges". The answer is that there are a
- variety of multi-user systems with Internet access on which you can
- get accounts.
-
- At the low end, there are bulletin boards, such as FIDONET systems
- that are often operated on a free volunteer basis, although the owners
- will be happy to accept a small donation to offset their costs. These
- systems tend to have only electronic mail connections to the Internet.
- You can connect to these systems using modems from 1200 bps to 14400
- bps.
-
- In a way, the large North American BBS systems, like CompuServe,
- Genie, America Online or Prodigy represent the same idea taken to the
- utmost. While these systems have local access numbers, even in middle-
- sized cities, they tend to have more information available but at a
- higher cost. Typically, at least USD 5 / hour. They also have
- email-only connections to the Internet, although this is slowly
- beginning to change.
-
- The next step up, tends to be community organized Unix systems. Often
- these will give you a full unix shell, and many of them have full
- Internet connections. You can connect to these systems using modems
- from 1200 bps to 14400 bps. A widely circulated list of these systems
- is known as the PDIAL list. In the larger cities, it is not unusual
- to be able to get an account that allows you 20 hours of connect time
- for USD 20 per month or USD 75 for unlimited access. On the other
- hand, if it takes a long distance call to connect to it, the telephone
- charges will cost much more than the service. Indeed, some systems are
- totally funded on kickbacks from long distance carriers.
-
- In both of the above examples, your connection would be a plain
- terminal connection. The Internet service extends only to the access
- node, and after FTP-ing a file to the access node, you would have to
- download it to your own PC or Mac using the file transfer features of
- your terminal program (Kermit, Zmodem etc). For a bit more money, your
- could have your own machine become a real Internet node while you are
- online, using a link protocol such as SLIP or PPP. This will allow you
- to use the newer "Information Navigators" such as Mosaic, and also to
- FTP directly to your hard disk. Unless your connection is full-time,
- you will still need to keep your mailbox on the (unix) access host,
- although you can use a nicer client (such as Eudora) to download it
- transparently when you connect up. These connections are generally at
- 14400 bps. Because the service provider needs to install more
- equipment and usually ends up needing to give more support to these
- users, this service is more expensive than login service. Typical
- rates would be $200 per month for unlimited access. (If you can get to
- the access port with a "free" local call from home, this is a very
- economical way to become a "real" network node.)
-
- Finally, you can attach a whole cluster of systems on a local area
- network (LAN) to the Internet, either in dial-on-demand mode, or on a
- full-time leased line. Such access can be at any speed from 9600 bps
- to T-3 depending on your needs and budget. This class of service is
- generally of interest to businesses. Service on a 56kbps access line
- is generally available for USD 1000 per month at any long distance
- carrier's point of presence (POP); i.e. you have to add the cost of a
- leased line to that point.
-
- There is a whole industry of network service providers, ranging from
- the above mentioned FIDOnet amateurs to specialized carriers with
- annual sales of tens of millions of dollars. Some of them are local
- co-operatives, often affiliated with local colleges. Some are regional
- carriers, originally founded as groups of colleges banding together to
- link up the schools to NSF-net, and later opening up membership to
- businesses and individuals. Some of these have expanded to offer
- service anywhere in the US. And some are spin-offs from telephone
- companies.
-
- Since there are literally hundreds of vendors, I can only mention a
- few of the large ones:
-
- PSI.COM - Performance Systems International, in Troy, NY
- and with a sales office in Tyson's Corner, VA
- ALTER.NET - UUNET Technologies, in VA
- and with a Canadian branch in Ontario
- ANS.NET - Advanced Networks and Services, in Elmsford, NY
-
- Both PSI and ALTERnet offer everything from dialup-login to leased
- line packet service. ANS tends to go after the very large customers.
-
-
- Lars Poulsen Internet E-mail: lars@CMC.COM
- CMC Network Products Phone: (011-) +45-31 49 81 08
- Hvidovre Strandvej 72 B Telefax: +45-31 49 83 08
- DK-2650 Hvidovre, DENMARK Internets: designed and built while you wait
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH)
- Subject: Re: Real Time Audio Compression
- Organization: T I H / T I S I P
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 09:33:00 GMT
-
-
- In article <telecom14.52.9@eecs.nwu.edu>, daveb@jaws (David Breneman)
- writes:
-
- > [...] Still, there is no way to "compress" analog audio to
- > get a greater frequency response than the wire it's travelling down.
-
- Quite a few years ago, I read about experiments done in Eastern
- Europe: They have (had?) almost exclusively AM broadcast transmitters.
- Researchers were investigating alternatives for obtaining better sound
- quality in a cheaper way than building up an all-new FM transmitter
- network.
-
- The research showed that the human ear is surprisingly insensitive to
- small frequency variations in the higher harmonics -- any frequency in
- the approximately correct range will be subjectively perceived as
- overtones.
-
- Also, while US AM broadcasts have a 9 kHz bandwidth, European ones
- have only a 6 kHz bandwidth (Are these figures correct? I believe so,
- but this is really too far away from my field of expertize!). This
- applies to the consumer (and studio) equipment, though -- the
- transmission equipment is "international", capable of handling 9 kHz.
-
- So the following solution was tried: Anything below 5.5 kHz was
- transmitted as before. Frequencies from 6.5 to 20 kHz was split into a
- dozen frequency bands. The *total* energy in each band steered the
- level of a *pure tone* transmitted in 6.5-9 kHz range, like the stereo
- pilot tone, but each band had its pilot tone. Obviously, the pilot
- tones where more closely spaced than the bands, in order to fit into
- 2.5 kHz!
-
- An old 6 kHz receiver would filter the pilot tones away. A new HiFi
- receiver would contain a dozen of white noise generators (with a
- frequency range limited to the corresponding frequency band) whose
- intensity was directly steered by the pilot tone for that band.
- Listening tests indicated that the perceived music reproduction
- quality was, although not quite as good as FM, dramatically improved.
-
- I never heard of this system being put into use, though. At time of
- writing it was not yet clear whether a sufficiently high percentage of
- consumer receivers in use actually did filter away everything above 6
- kHz - if not, the listeners would be hearing a lot of high pitched
- noise, making it unacceptable. It could also be that the filters and
- white noise generators necessary in new HiFi receivers to exploit the
- higher quality sound turned out to be too expensive to be acceptable.
- Or it could be that the AM sensitivity to environment noise made it
- less interresting, after all.
-
- Yet, these experiments did show one (more or less) viable approach,
- from a technical point of view, to analog sound compression to lower
- bandwidth requirements.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: Bob Larribeau <p00136@psilink.com>
- Subject: Re: ISDN NT1 Power Source
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 11:14:05 -0800
-
-
- > whs70@cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h) writes:
-
- >> In article <telecom14.39.4@eecs.nwu.edu>, Paul D. Guthrie
- >> <paul@vorpal.digex.net> wrote:
-
- >>> I'm looking for a couple of answers about some ISDN questions that
- >>> experience and Stalling's ISDN book have both left me unclear on.
- >
- >>> First, a CPE can be line powered (the AT&T 7506 e.g.), but my
- >>> experience with NT1's are that they must be DC powered (but I've only
- >>> dealt with rack mounted units). Can NT1's be line powered?
-
- >> I am unaware of any "line powering" of ISDN CPE in the USA. Perhaps
- >> what is meant by "line powering" of the AT&T 7506 is that the NT-1 and
- >> associated power supply is located in a telephone equipment closet
- >> somewhere at a customer location and that is the power supply for the
- >> 7506.
-
- > This is quite surprising. The standards were arranged around some
- > (limited) power feeding at 60V. This power is(was) intended to supply
- > sufficient power to drive one (and only one) TA attached to the "S"
- > bus of the NT1 (2B1Q to "S" Bus interface). The power for this
- > "special" device is supplied by an extra pair on the S bus reserved
- > for it, or by reversing the polarity of the normal power feed supplied
- > in Cailho fashion on the Rx and Tx pais of the "S" bus. In this
- > manner, an ISDN telephone for, instance, would draw power from the
- > normal Cailho feed and the reserved pair, or by use of a bridge from a
- > reversed polarity Cailho feed.
-
- > Are you sure that a 60V feed (max current of about 20-30ma) is not
- > provided bu US Telcos, not even to power repeaters (if required)?
- > Excuse me for being scheptical, but I'm not convinced, but then I am
- > an Australian so "what would I know?".
-
- I am going to finally give in to temptation and jump into this one.
- You must remember that in the U.S. we use the U-interface, which is a
- two-wire local loop interface. The U-interface, as implemented in the
- U.S., does not provide power from the network. Powering is the
- customer's responsibility.
-
- There are various options that customers in the U.S. can use for
- providing power to the T-interface. T-interface ISDN telephones in
- the U.S. commonly use this customer provided line power as their power
- source. Many ISDN data terminal do not use the T-interface line power
- but use a separate power receptacle.
-
- Hope this helps. I understand that from your perspective we always
- get things upside down:-)
-
-
- Bob
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: tom@travis.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
- Subject: Re: Informing Ourselves to Death
- Date: 31 Jan 1994 13:39:39 GMT
- Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
-
-
- I am glad to see this response by George Gilder, he said it better
- than I could.
-
- When I read Postman's comments, I was reminded of a character
- described in Arthur C. Clarke's book "The Fountains of Paradise". He
- was talking about some 18th century professional quack (who's name I
- forget), who went around opposing things like trains with a bunch of
- psuedo science babble about how the breathtaking speed would be bound
- to psycologically damage the travellers.
-
-
- domain: tahorsley@csd.harris.com USMail: Tom Horsley
- 511 Kingbird Circle
- Delray Beach, FL 33444
-
-
- [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I did not get quite the same impression
- of Postman's speech that you and Gilder recieved. I do not think
- Postman said computers were dangerous, only that they could be misused
- and too much reliance could be placed in them. At least one other person
- enjoyed Postman's meditation, as the next letter in this issue will
- reveal. PAT]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: 19249@mwvm.mitre.org
- Subject: _Technopoly_ by Neil Postman
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 15:20:08 EST
- Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
-
-
- For those of you who liked Neil Postman's "Informing Ourselves to
- Death" you might like to know that it is revised and included as a
- chapter in his book _Technopoly, The Surrender of Culture to
- Technology_ published in 1993 by Vintage/Random House, ISBN
- 0-679-74540-8 in paperback. I found it to be a relatively quick and
- enjoyable read. Your mileage may vary.
-
-
- DW
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 01:43:27 -0500
- From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.COM>
- Subject: Brendan Update and his "Thanks"
-
-
- FYI. Excerpt from Cu Digest #6.11
-
- Date: Sat, 29 Jan 94 21:09:22 PST
- From: smlieu@CYGNUS.COM(Sun Ming Lieu)
- Subject: File 1--Brendan Update and his "thanks"
-
- ((MODERATORS' NOTE: The following update on Brendan Kehoe, author of
- ZEN AND THE ART OF THE INTERNET, CuD ftp archmeister, and
- cyberdenizen, is great news. We've also received two posts from him,
- and he sends along "THANKS" for all the posts. We mailed off the
- collection of e-wishes this week, and thanks to all those who
- contributed)).
-
- Brendan continues to make phenomenal progress in the last few days.
- His neurologist says that she has not seen a case like this in 12
- years of practice.
-
- The hospital is letting Brendan out on extended passes, and so he has
- been visiting the hotel where his mother and brother are staying,
- eating out, and other outings. He will be moving to the Spaulding
- Center at Mass General in Boston on Tuesday (Feb 1). The injury to
- his ear was not as serious as originally expected - he can hear from
- it and it is okay for him to fly.
-
- I talked with Brendan for about 10 minutes by phone today. He and
- Jeff sprung it on me when Jeff called and was I surprised! Brendan
- just came on the line saying "This friend of mine who is working in
- California thinks you would like to talk to me" and started to talk up
- a storm. He's been reading his mail and kept talking about how much
- g++ traffic there has been and how eager he is to go back to work. He
- sounded happy and excited. We talked about the weather in
- Philadelphia, flying first class, living closer to the office so he
- wouldn't have to commute from Santa Cruz, the earthquake in Southern
- California, and so on ...
-
- Brendan wants to be done with the 2-3 weeks in Spaulding and be back
- in California as soon as possible -- he says end of February, although
- everyone is telling him to hold his horses and not count on it quite
- so soon. Does he know something we don't?
-
-
- Sun Ming
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: jdb@sunbim.be (Jurgen Debedts)
- Subject: How to Make a Sun Send Messages to a Pager or a GSM Telephone
- Reply-To: jdb@sunbim.be
- Organization: B.I.M.
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:16:28 GMT
-
-
- I'm looking for something quite special:
-
- We would want to have our Sun, (which is running critical
- applications), dial-out to a semascript pager to tell the sysadmin
- something is wrong. Typically, we have some sort of contool, which
- send a certain fixed message for a certain error-situation. This
- messages would then in fact be send to a modem that dials up a
- semascript pager, and passes on the error.
-
- In our dreams we would like to go even further, and have the Sun dial
- up a GSM telephone, and have the Sun speak to the sysadmin saying that
- there is a problem. (pre-recorded fixed messages). In this case, we
- thought of have a modem that directly dials up a GSM mobile telphone.
- But there are some problems to be solve with this: for example, a GSM
- will not give a Carrier Detect, only a connect signal. Anybody delt
- with this kind of problems before?
-
- Does anybody out there know of software that does one of these two
- things, or does anybody have some tips, or thoughts he or she would
- like to share with me? (Like which modems could we use, etc)
- The software may be commercial or public domain.
-
- I would greatly appreciate any feedback.
-
- Thanks in advance.
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Debedts Jurgen
- e-mail : jdb@sunbim.be (or uunet!mcsun!ub4b!sunbim!jdb)
- BIM sa-nv Kwikstraat, 4 B-3078 Everberg Belgium
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 23:34:33 -0800
- From: Thomas Tengdin <teto@mbari.org>
- Subject: DID Questions
-
-
- Can anyone tell me how DID lines pass the number down the trunk?
-
- Either an explanation or a pointer to an old issue of the Digest would
- be great.
-
-
- Tnanks,
-
- T3
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 31 Jan 94 07:37:08 EST
- From: Stewart Fist <100033.2145@CompuServe.COM>
- Subject: Data Over Power Lines
-
-
- Thomson, under the RCA brand, has just released a product that allows
- you to plug a telephone into the power lines and use it as an
- extension line within a house or building. This should allow data
- over power lines between two PCs.
-
- The product is called Intelejack. The master control unit costs about
- US$150, and the extender about half as much. The phone/modem plugs
- into this extender using a normal RJ11 plug. You can have any number
- of extenders for voice use. You could probably connect Macs over this
- system using PhoneNet, if it isn't too noisy.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: frank@calcom.socal.com (Frank Keeney)
- Reply-To: frank@calcom.socal.com
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 10:26:08 -0800
- Subject: Cheap PBX For Home - Where?
- Organization: Calcom Communications, +1 818-791-0578
-
-
- I'm looking for an inexpensive PBX system for my home. Something that
- will work with two or more CO lines and more than five extensions.
-
- Anybody know where I can find something like this?
-
-
- Frank Keeney | E-mail frank@calcom.socal.com
- 115 W. California Blvd., #411 | Fidonet 1:102/645
- Pasadena, CA 91105-1509 USA | UUCP hatch!calcom!frank
- | FAX +1 818 791-0578
- | Voice Mail +1 818-791-0578 x402
- * Origin: yume no naka ni... (1:102/645)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: kass@tacout.army.mil (Jeremie Kass)
- Subject: Internet E-mail Access in Mexico
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 8:41:31 EST
-
-
- Does anyone know if it's possible to get access either via a radio
- modem or some other way to Internet e-mail. This is just temporarily,
- while I'll be vacationing for a week. I believe the resort is on the
- western (Pacific) coast.
-
- Thanks a lot,
-
-
- Jeremie
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 12:40:16 CST
- From: Will Martin <wmartin@STL-06SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
- Subject: ISDN and Caller-ID
-
-
- Exactly how does ISDN interact with the legal issues surrounding
- Caller-ID?
-
- It is my understanding that making an ISDN connection involves setting
- up a header packet or some such initial-connection datastream in which
- both the destination and the originator are identified, and that this
- identification can have several levels of detail, ranging from nothing
- more than the bare phone numbers to a more elaborate chunk of data
- that includes free-form text such as a name. If this is true, the
- following questions arise:
-
- 1) Is the content of this datastream totally under the control of the
- caller, or does the telco switch insert its own identifier of the
- caller in there somewhere?
-
- 2) Can the caller put in false data to make the recipient believe that
- the call is coming from somewhere other than it is really originating,
- or does the callee use that originator data to establish the return
- path, and so providing false data would do nothing but make the
- complete ISDN circuit un-creatable? That is, the caller is calling
- from site "x", but falsifies the data to say he's calling from site
- "y". The callee then tries to respond to site "y" but they're not even
- up and on-line, so no connection ever gets established. (What would
- happen if site "y" WAS up and on-line, but already communicating with
- somebody else? Is there an ISDN equivalent of a busy signal that would
- be presented to him?)
-
- 3) In states where caller-ID is illegal, is any of this changed? Or
- does the telco providing ISDN ignore that or claim that this ISDN data
- does not meet the definition of "Caller-ID" as far as the law is
- concerned?
-
- I have a basic ignorance of ISDN details, so if all of this is
- nonsense as far as real ISDN is concerned, please set me straight! :-)
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Will If header address doesn't work, try:
- wmartin@st-louis-emh2.army.mil OR wmartin@stl-04sima.army.mil
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 14:22:00 EST
- From: The Network Group <0004526627@mcimail.com>
- Subject: Pac Bell and the Earthquake
-
-
- A few days after the CA earthquake, Pac Bell started running full page
- ad's in the {L.A. Times} offering assistance to displaced businesses
- and promoting free installation of business service in homes of
- employees to promote telecommuting.
-
- They offer *FREE* install of Centrex, Business Voice Mail, Call
- Forwarding, ISDN and Switched 56. Hummm. I called their 800 number
- 1800-303-0309 for more information and spoke with a very knowledgable
- data specialist re DDs56 & IS DN.
-
- Apparently for $29.95 + tax per month you can get an ISDN line that is
- Basic Rate Interface (2B+D). He quoted the maximum price that includes
- to B 56Kbps channels + the 9.6 Packet channel on the D. I believe that
- the normal installation was somewhere around $800!
-
- I am tempted to go for it, but a little short this week in coming up
- with 400 bucks for the ISDN phone.
-
- I asked the technician if Feature Group A Special Access circuits were
- also included in the promotion and he said no.
-
- For those that are interested, this promotion is good for orders
- placed on or before 2/17/94 in area codes 818 and surrounding codes --
- Northern CA does not apply, nor does San Diego.
-
- ------------------------------
-
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