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- TELECOM Digest Sat, 15 Jan 94 08:54:00 CST Volume 14 : Issue 32
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- Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
-
- Re: Unmetered Local Service (Jack Decker)
- Re: Unmetered Local Service (David J. Greenberger)
- Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK? (John R. Grout)
- Re: User Interface From Hell (Martin McCormick)
- Re: Rate of Change (Stewart Fist)
- Re: Methods to Prevent Stalking and Phone Harrassment (Michael D. Sullivan)
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- From: ao944@yfn.ysu.edu (Jack Decker)
- Subject: Re: Unmetered Local Service
- Date: 14 Jan 1994 23:00:23 GMT
- Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
- Reply-To: ao944@yfn.ysu.edu (Jack Decker)
-
-
- On Wed Jan 12 08:35:33 1994, lars@Eskimo.CPH.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen)
- wrote:
-
- > A. Padgett Peterson (padgett@tccslr.dnet.mmc.com) wrote:
-
- >>> everywhere I go I see regional carriers attempting to eliminate
- >>> "flat" and "unmetered" plans. As telecommuting and information
- >>> highway access begins to take hold, the elimination of unmetered
- >>> local service is the biggest threat to individual connectivity that I
- >>> can imagine.
-
- > About two years ago, I asked telecom readers for information about
- > local rates, because I had the same fear. My results indicated that
- > flat-rate local calling is readily available everywhere.
-
- Depends on what you mean by "flat-rate". If you mean that local calls
- are untimed, then you are probably correct. If, however, you mean
- that there is no charge for individual local calls, that is not the
- case in many areas. Ameritech in particular has tried to do away with
- no-charge local calls; they've been successful in Wisconsin and (I
- think) parts of Illinois.
-
- I think when we talk about this issue, there are a couple things to
- keep in mind:
-
- 1) Telephone CUSTOMERS do not want to be charged on a per-call or
- per-minute basis. This was actually put to a vote of the people in at
- least two states (Maine and Oregon, back in 1986 I believe), and in
- those states the people voted to ban mandatory measured service by a
- considerable margin. This was the case even though under the phone
- company proposal pending at the time, there would have been a cap on
- the maximum amount that could be charged for local calls (something
- like $19 as I recall). In at least those two states, there will be
- true flat rate service for the forseeable future.
-
- 2) If you consider the components of local telephone service, charging
- on a per call or per-minute basis generally doesn't make sense (except
- as an artificial means of raising revenue). The two major components
- involved in the provision of local telephone service are outside plant
- (the wires, cables, and terminal blocks and similar equipment that
- carry service to your home) and the central office switch.
-
- The costs for outside plant are totally unrelated to usage except in
- very rare circumstances. The wires and cables do not "wear out"
- faster through use. Most of the costs of maintaining outside plant is
- associated with replacement of aging facilities, repairing damaged
- equipment and cables, and upgrading equipment to keep up with growing
- populations. None of these occur with any greater frequency because a
- line is used more. From the standpoint of outside plant, whether a
- line is in use zero hours a day, 24 hours a day, or somewhere in
- between makes no difference whatsoever.
-
- In regard to central office equipment, the only time increased usage
- becomes a factor is when it is so high that extra call handling
- capacity must be added to the switch. Normally, telephone switches
- are designed to handle the maximum number of calls placed during peak
- calling periods and then some. Most residential customers do not
- place the majority of their calls during peak calling periods (that
- is, during the business day). For all practical purposes, once the
- central office switch has been installed, there are no additional
- costs to the phone company whether subscribers use their phones a lot
- or a little.
-
- Of course, there is the argument that the phone company can get by
- with installing a switch with lower capacity in the first place, if it
- can discourage phone usage. In my opinion, this sort of backward
- thinking is a disservice to customers. I can't imagine that in the
- grand scheme of things it costs the telco that much more to provide
- plenty of capacity right from the start, and it's a one-time cost that
- can be amortized over the life of the switch (which is at least ten to
- fifteen years, even with today's fast-changing technology).
-
- If anything, today's technology should make it possible to charge less
- for calls, especially local calls. For example, most interoffice
- trunking is now on fiber optic cables which provide far greater call
- capacity at less cost the the former system of interoffice copper
- cables.
-
- > In article <telecom14.26.5@eecs.nwu.edu> dave_oshea@wiltel.com (Dave
- > O'Shea) writes:
-
- >> though I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see some alternative
- >> local loop providers selling a "flat-rate"-type service to people who
- >> are priced out of the market by the LEC's.
-
- > I rather doubt it; residential flat rate local calling is justified as
- > a giveaway of excess capacity that must be there in order to serve the
- > business community during "prime time". Alternate providers would tend
- > to establish rate structures that discourage residential customers so
- > that they don't have to build local plant to serve the low-volume
- > customers.
-
- There are a couple of reasons why I tend to think that may not happen.
- First, telcos are still regulated by state PUC's, and in at least some
- states alternative carriers will be required to serve all comers. For
- another thing, in some areas the current LEC's will be required to
- unbundle their local service offerings, charging separately for the
- use of outside plant (which will almost certainly be on an unmeasured
- basis) and for provision of dial tone from their switch. Alternate
- service providers in those states will be allowed to lease circuits
- (between the C.O. and the customer's premises) from telco on a
- month-to-month basis, and connect those to their own switches. In
- such areas there will be no disincintive to serve residential
- customers, since they won't have to build any outside plant. And it
- may well be that such alternate providers will choose to offer true
- flat-rate calling, at least between customers of their switch. Even
- in areas where the option to rent circuits from the telco doesn't
- exist, they may be able to get to residential customers via cable TV
- lines, small-cell wireless technology, or some other method that is
- usage insensitive.
-
- Another thing to keep in mind is that the heaviest users of
- residential phone service (other than teenagers) are personal computer
- users with modems. However, new technologies may be developed that
- effectively takes most of that traffic off of the phone wires. For
- example, there's no reason that full Usenet news feeds couldn't be
- transmitted direct to the home via small satellite dishes (or via a
- channel on the local cable TV system) ... the user would simply need a
- computer (or other "box") with enough intelligence to selectively
- retain only those newsgroups and articles of interest. Under such a
- system, the user would only need to make a call in order to transmit
- or recieve e-mail, or to upload Usenet news articles. I believe there
- is something similar to this available already, but it is priced out
- of reach of the home user (it's economical in some cases for those who
- want a full Usenet feed, however). But this cost could well drop as
- demand for access to the Internet rises. And beyond that, data
- communications are much more suitable for wireless technologies, since
- data users can tolerate small delays during periods of extreme
- congestion much more readily than voice users. So if telcos are
- figuring that they can make big bucks off of modem users if only they
- can charge for local calls, they might want to think further about
- that, since new technology could obsolete that particular use of the
- phone lines rather quickly if the need arises.
-
- >> One of the big reasons that long distance rates seem to "bottom out"
- >> somewhere in the 10 cents/minute rate, even for the most humongous
- >> customers is that the LD carriers have to pay most of that to the LEC
- >> for the local loop. Perhaps as the RBOCs are able to recoup something
- >> for those millions of unbillable hours of local connect time, this
- >> will ease up.
-
- > There is no inherent reason that a telco under rate cap (de)regulation
- > will lower the access charges charged to IXCs just because they obtain
- > a new revenue stream somewhere else.
-
- > On the other hand, a rational rate structure would charge the IXC
- > exactly the same as a local customer for what is essentially a local
- > call at each end of the long-distance call.
-
- A rational rate structure would charge all customers something
- remotely related to the actual costs associated with providing a
- particular service. Under a truly rational rate structure, your basic
- monthly bill would be much higher (as much as double what it is now,
- maybe even a bit more), but you'd have essentially free local calling
- within your home LATA (and maybe even adjacent LATA's), and very low
- cost calling to the rest of the country. Custom calling services
- would be provided free, or at very low cost (just enough to amortize
- any additional software costs required to provide those features).
- The problem with this is that most customers, especially residential
- customers (and especially senior citizens) would squawk like stuck
- pigs if their monthly phone rates doubled or tripled, even if you gave
- them free long distance calling to anywhere in the country.
-
- Actually, if local service were to be pretty much deregulated (and
- full competition allowed), I could conceivably see a day where you
- might pay, say, $35 - $40 per month and get free, unlimited local
- calling anywhere in your LATA. You'd then pay maybe about the same
- amount to a long distance company to get unlimited calling anywhere in
- the country (or at least within the continental U.S.). If you didn't
- have that much usage in a month, you'd have the option to be on a
- measured plan instead. I do not think this will happen until and
- unless there are some substantial changes in the current regulatory
- framework. Actually, about the only regulations that I would like to
- see (which we do NOT have now) would be ones that would prevent telcos
- from "bundling" service in such a way that you can only get circuits
- from them if you also get dial tone from them.
-
- >> If an employee is worth telecommuting, even a $4/hour connection
- >> charge is fairly minor in the face of, say, a $65,000 salary/benefits
- >> package. Even if you get charged that for eight hours a day, it's minor.
- >> Most employees who would best benefit from telecommuting are the ones
- >> who are well into long-distance calling areas.
-
- > Many telecommuters will have a local call to an internet carrier's
- > local Point Of Presence. Eight hours at $4/hour is $32 a day. This is
- > at least the equivalent of another hour's salary. Hardly negligible.
-
- I agree with this last point completely. I don't claim to be psychic,
- but I will predict that telecommuting will NEVER take off where there
- are per-minute charges involved. By that I mean it will never get to
- the point where anyone other than the top executives and maybe a very
- few other employees will be allowed to work outside the home. No
- company in their right mind would pay $32 a day for an employee to
- telecommute when that same employee could drive to work on under $5
- worth of gas, and be physically present when needed. And keep in mind
- that it wouldn't be just the $4/hour in the example mentioned, there's
- also extra monthly charges for the extra phone lines required, plus
- equipment costs at both ends. It all adds up.
-
- >>> only advantage that I can see for the consumer would be that with
- >>> metered service, the subscriber would have a right to a call detail
- >>> listing the individual calls by called number, time, and duration.
-
- > Hahahaha hahaha ha ha ... he ho hummmm ... Here in Denmark, local
- > calls have been metered for many, many years -- by the pulse method.
- > Itemized billing is NOT available, and there would be an uproar from
- > office workers -- on privacy grounds -- if the telco were to start
- > itemizing bills. Itemized billing, like flat rate local calling -- is a
- > feature of the American telephone system; it has ended up that way
- > mostly by accident. Certainly there is no logic that says subscribers
- > have the right to an itemized bill. (There may, however, in many
- > jurisdictions be a PUC regulation saying so.)
-
- I am sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, I do not trust telco to do
- correct billing without having some way to check up on them. What do
- you folks do in Denmark when you get a bill that says you've used
- 100,000 units (meter pulses?) of service and you think it should be
- more like 1,000? Do you pay without protest? Do you refuse to pay and
- let telco disconnect your service for non-payment? Do you just assume
- that your telco so perfect that they never make mistakes? Or do you
- just figure that getting overbilled is part of the cost of having a
- phone? I'm sorry, but I don't like any of those options.
-
-
- Jack
-
-
- [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The thing Jack Decker and other pro-
- ponents of flat rate billing seem to forget or ignore is that in most
- instances of measured billing, the majority of telephone subscribers
- actually pay LESS for service than with flat rate. A small minority
- of the users -- mainly people with telephone intensive lifestyles such
- as modem users -- pay more. Where flat rate service exists, the rate
- is invariably evened out in such a way that telco still makes money
- based on average usage which tends to run high on the curve due to
- modem (and similar heavy volume) users. In other words, if you want
- to average it out and set a 'flat rate', telco still won't be the
- loser, but the majority of the users will be. He mentions two areas
- where people voted against measured service but exactly the opposite
- was the case in Chicago in the middle 1980's when IBT dropped its
- 'metro calling plans' in favor of pay-as-you-use it. Yes, the modem
- users screamed bloody murder, but all sorts of telephone users other-
- wise were happy to see their bill go down a couple dollars monthly.
- One of the major consumer organizations here endorsed the new plan
- without reservations. Flat rate calling plans work much the same way
- as insurance actuarial tables: let a few people in a given category
- cause some major expenses and everyone pays. I can't say that I
- benefitted from measured service here (in fact I wound up paying more
- than before by quite a bit) but it is a lot fairer to the 99 percent
- of the public who does not use modems or stay on a phone connection
- for hours at a time each day. PAT]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: d.greenberger@cornell.edu (David J. Greenberger)
- Subject: Re: Unmetered Local Service
- Reply-To: d.greenberger@cornell.edu
- Organization: Young Israel of Cornell
- Date: 14 Jan 94 23:30:38 GMT
-
-
- lars@Eskimo.CPH.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen) writes:
-
- > About two years ago, I asked telecom readers for information about
- > local rates, because I had the same fear. My results indicated that
- > flat-rate local calling is readily available everywhere.
-
- Not quite, if by flat-rate you mean no charge for local calls (as
- opposed to untimed service, carrying a per-call charge). As far as I
- know, it is not an option in New York City, although it is an option
- in other parts of New York State (such as Ithaca).
-
-
- David J. Greenberger (607) 256-2171 d.greenberger@cornell.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: grout@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (John R. Grout)
- Subject: Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK?
- Reply-To: j-grout@uiuc.edu
- Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
- Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 21:44:25 GMT
-
-
- In <telecom14.26.8@eecs.nwu.edu> atoscano@attmail.com (A Alan Toscano)
- writes:
-
- > In article <telecom14.18.2@eecs.nwu.edu> MAARUF ALI, <UDEE740@bay.cc.
- > kcl.ac.uk> writes:
-
- >> Could someone please tell me how to phone US 0800 numbers from the UK?
-
- > Several previous replies suggested AT&T's USA Direct Service, but
- > stated that the service could only be used to call AT&T-serviced "800"
- > numbers. THERE IS NO LONGER ANY SUCH REQUIREMENT.
-
- > 2. You must be calling an "800" number which does not have a
- > geographic restriction against calls from the "gateway city" (in the
- > USA) which serves USA Direct traffic from the country you're calling
- > from. (This is unlikely, but possible. Most USA "800" numbers have no
- > such restriction.)
-
- Many nationwide USA "800" numbers used to have blackout areas in their
- service to avoid paying for calls from callers who were near _their_
- gateway city (from which they were providing _their_ service) ...
- since current toll-switch technology can reroute such calls to cheaper
- incoming lines, this is probably not too common anymore ... and, one
- could assume that if a USA company (foolishly) listed a USA "800"
- number as the _only_ way to reach them, it would be reasonable to
- assume that it would be nationwide with no blackout areas ... so it
- would be reasonble to assume that one could reach them via USA Direct.
-
- However, nationwide USA "800" numbers may be sent to different places
- in different parts of the country (e.g., my insurance company's
- nationwide 800 number is sent to the nearest office) ... and many USA
- "800" numbers _do_ have geographic restrictions (e.g., a specific area
- code, a specific state, a specific group of states), and are
- unassigned (or even reassigned) in other parts of the USA.
-
- Several questions:
-
- 1. How would 800 Directory Assistance (which, for the benefit of
- readers outside North America, is 800-555-1212), handle calls coming
- through USA Direct? I can imagine an AT&T operator asking such a
- person "what area code are you calling from?", as they often do here,
- and the conversation taking a turn for the worse.
-
- 2. If a USA Direct caller thought they could reach the same office of
- a company multiple times through their USA "800" number, would they
- have any guarantee that each call would come through the same gateway
- city each time (so it would be routed to the same office each time)?
- At least, the post implies that there were different gateways when
- calling from different countries.
-
-
- John R. Grout j-grout@uiuc.edu
- Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
- Coordinated Science Laboratory University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
- Subject: Re: User Interface From Hell
- Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK
- Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 00:39:17 GMT
-
-
- The discussion of human engineering regarding
- telecommunication systems reminds me of the beautifully-done report on
- the history of Unix which was posted, recently. The report detailed
- the development of Unix and the philosophy behind it. There was a
- wonderful point made about the fact that each part of Unix is a small
- block in the overall scheme of things and that nobody can predict how
- these blocks will need to be arranged to do a certain job so they must
- be designed according to certain standards of input, output, and
- control in order to make them most useful.
-
- Unfortunately, this idea is still pretty foreign to many
- people who really should know better. We have a situation in which
- the computer operating systems gaining the most popularity use a
- graphical user interface instead of the command line or text-based
- interface which was the standard user interface until recently.
-
- The GUI or graphical user interface has been tauted as the
- end-all and be-all to make computing accessible to the general public.
- The problem is that the GUI makes access by blind people very
- difficult. Actually, it wrecks any kind of nonstandard I/O because we
- no longer have a situation in which input and output are separated
- from the program. The beauty of Unix and, to a lesser degree, such
- systems as CPM and DOS is that the original developers were smart
- enough to know that they could never cover all possible applications
- so they produced a set of great tools which allowed others to do like
- Isac Newton and stand on the shoulders of giants.
-
- GUI's are neither good nor bad in and of themselves, but they
- are a serious barrier to blind computer users and anybody else who
- needs to do things differently. Rather than choosing which interface
- works best for us, the software companies have in their most finite
- wisdom created a hideously complex operating system whose manuals are
- thicker than many metropolitan telephone books and whose only hard and
- fast rule is that the rules are constantly changing.
-
- There are several companies working on interfaces to both the
- Microsoft and Apple graphical operating systems, but users who have
- shelled out hundreds of Dollars to buy these programs report that
- access is still difficult and problematic.
-
- The problem is that there isn't a large market for this sort
- of special software and the amount of time and skill needed to develop
- it means that somebody will need to be paid well for their time. I
- have no complaint about that as much as I feel that the software
- companies have created a bad problem in that it is not easy nor
- trivial to get nonstandard forms of I/O. The ideal solution would be
- for the operating system companies to design their interfaces with
- vectors or hooks which could be easily used as the input to special
- software which could treat the operating system as a black box and
- concentrate on providing whatever output or control is necessary for
- the user to manage the system.
-
- Finally, while I don't know what will happen in the future, I
- can almost promise what won't happen. The companies who produce the
- spread- sheets, word processors, etc that we use will not, nor should
- they be expected to, produce programs for blind users or other people
- who need nonstandard access. If something isn't done to solve this
- problem in a meaningful way, the information age will be only a dream
- for some.
-
-
- Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK
- O.S.U. Computer Center Data Communications Group
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 14 Jan 94 21:09:51 EST
- From: Stewart Fist <100033.2145@CompuServe.COM>
- Subject: Re: Rate of Change
-
-
- Quite frankly, I don't know whether Gordan Palameta is agreeing or
- disagreeing with me -- which is a bit of a let-down when you're trying
- to deflate a few overfed techno-egos! <g> But his contribution about
- the ways we can now organise society better with computers is certainly
- true -- it's just that this is evolutionary, not revolutionary.
-
- What I was trying to say is that technological change is less
- disruptive, and *less* revolutionary these days, than it has been for
- most of the last hundred years -- while conventional wisdom
- (especially in the computer and communications industries) tries to
- make us believe that it is *more*. Technologists are not at the
- centre of the universe -- we are just one of the parts.
-
- Gordan Palameta writes:
-
- > The point is, when we consider the impact of airplanes, automobiles,
- > etc. from our perspective, we are really compressing eighty years of
- > history. A fair comparison with computers would require a similar
- > eighty-year perspective.
-
- But we can take an 80 year perspective. Before Henry Ford came along,
- motor cars and aircraft were toys for the technophiles and for the
- expert mechanics. There were eighty years of technological
- development, but only 20 years of social impact.
-
- It has been the same over the last eighty years with computers --
- right from the days of Babbage and Pascal, if you want to stretch the
- word 'computer' that far. My estimate of 20 years really only covers
- the period when computers began to make an impact on the community,
- not when they were custom-made devices used for vote-counting, or
- calculating ballistics, or performing military decryption.
-
- The technophile sees the development of planes extending back to
- Kittyhawk, while the community sees aircraft-development only going
- back to the days of the Ford Triplane and ending with the Jumbo Jet
- nearly 30 years ago. What has happened to commercial aircraft since
- then is largely trivia from the customer's viewpoint.
-
- The jumbo jet flying today might be a much more sophisticated machine
- than the first 727 Jumbo twenty-five years ago, but from the customer's
- viewpoint, it is inferior if it doesn't have more leg room. The pilot
- may notice an improvement, but the passengers don't.
-
- This is just the point. In the area of computers and communications
- the technological complexity and ingeniuty being exhibited by the
- technologists, is not now being reflected in social impact -- or at
- least, it's being reflected in changes with are relatively minor when
- compared to those of the first decade or so of commercial PC
- production. PCs will soon be telephone peripherals, about as exciting
- as a modern-day telephone handset.
-
- The linkage between social change and improvements in technology has
- decline because we are moving from core effects, to the periphery.
- This is always the way with technologies -- which is why we must be
- careful with infinite extrapolations. The curve always flattens --
- not because technological innovation lessens, but because it becomes
- less relevant.
-
- I was involved in making a television series on aircraft and airports
- around the world in 1966, and we visited the Concorde factory in
- France, then went on to Boeing in Seattle. The Boeing minders, at
- that time, were keen that we should concentrate on the swing-wing SST
- (SuperSonic Transport) -- which was the data superhighway of air-
- transport at the time. But they hardly mentioned the first Jumbo
- 747 that was rolling off the assembly line, because it was too mundane.
-
- So I totally agree with Gordan when he says:
-
- > When considering the impact of technology, we tend to focus too much
- > on things that are flashy and highly visible. A generation ago,
- > people figured that by now we'd be zipping around in rocket ships and
- > flying to work with our own personal jet packs. Few bothered to
- > predict simple things like fax machines.
-
- A good electronic mail system with national and international
- backbones (like the Internet, but extended to the wider community so
- everyone has access, as they do to the Postal Service) would be much
- more socially useful and productive than videophones and videoconfer-
- encing and fibre-to-the-home ... but where do we put our money?
-
- And e-mail technologies needed have been around for years -- it is
- just that e-mail is so cheap to implement, that it is impossible for
- the telecos to make a profit. So e-mail backbone services need to be
- public infrastructure, not commercial services run by telephone
- companies. The commercial operators have a conflict-of-profits: each
- one-cent e-mail message is one less 20-cent less phone or fax call.
- If we leave it to free-market enterprise and we'll never get a good
- service.
-
- I agree with most of Michael Jacobs remarks, except for:
-
- > Too often we forget that the history of our civilization is a
- > history of technological progress.
-
- Sure, technology is a major contributor -- but he is attempting to
- place technology at the centre of the universe again -- and equating
- "technology" with "progress". We are just one of the parts -- and a
- lot of our technologies are useless, counter-productive, ridiculously
- costly, or outright destructive.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: mds@access.digex.net (Michael D. Sullivan)
- Subject: Re: Methods to Prevent Stalking and Phone Harrassment
- Date: 15 Jan 1994 01:23:39 -0500
- Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
-
-
- nevin@cs.arizona.edu (Nevin Liber) writes:
-
- > A friend of mine (in Cook County, IL) is currently being stalked by a
- > mutual acquiantance of ours. This has been going on for over a year.
- > Unfortunately, the only evidence that my friend has is circumstantial
- > (eg: the phone calls temporarily stopped when the suspect went on
- > vacation, and resumed when the suspect returned back to IL).
-
- > Much of what the suspect is doing is in the way of harassing phone
- > calls, including calls from various payphones in the area where my
- > friend lives, calls at all hours of the day and night, calling pagers
- > and leaving my friend's phone number, etc.
-
- Contact the local prosecutor (e.g., state's attorney). Many states
- have a statute against harassment by wire. In New York, the crime is
- "aggravated harassment." When I was a law clerk for the NY DA's
- office many years ago, I worked on a case involving stalking in person
- and by telephone (250+ calls a day) by a jilted lesbian lover and the
- court entered an order prohibiting any attempt at telephone contact or
- personal contact based on the aggravated harassment statute. A secretary
- at my current law firm in DC was being stalked by an ex-husband, both
- in person and by telephone (at the office, at one point over 100
- calls/hour), and we helped her get a court order prohibiting any calls
- or visits. When he continued, we got him thrown in jail.
-
-
- Michael D. Sullivan mds@access.digex.net avogadro@well.sf.ca.us
- Washington, D.C. 74160.1134@compuserve.com mikesullivan@bix.com
-
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