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- TELECOM Digest Tue, 11 Jan 94 23:33:00 CST Volume 14 : Issue 25
-
- Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
-
- Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (John R. Levine)
- Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (Les Reeves)
- Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (Bill Mayhew)
- Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (Duncan Glendinning)
- Re: Phone Phreakers Down South (Gary W. Sanders)
- Re: Phone Phreakers Down South (Kriston Rehberg)
- Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK? (John Temples)
- Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK? (David Jones)
- Re: Hayes' New Modem (Fred R. Goldstein)
- Re: Hayes' New Modem (Charles Randall Yates)
- Re: Radio Religion in Canada (Rich Wales)
- Re: Radio Religion in Canada (Wm. Randolph U. Franklin)
- Re: V.35 to RS-232 Conversions (ssatchell@bix.com)
- Re: FTP Site For EIA Standards (ssatchell@bix.com)
- Re: SprintNet Access From the Internet (Steven H. Lichter)
- Re: Announcing networkMCI (Paul R. Coen)
- Re: Post Cool Phone Numbers - Strange Recorded Info Services (Gib Henry)
- Re: A Tale of Two Dialtones (Gordon Hlavenka)
- Cold Temperatures (Thomas Lapp)
- How To Download Files From Local Internet Access? (steve2400@delphi.com)
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- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 15:21 EST
- From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine)
- Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam
- Organization: I.E.C.C., Cambridge, Mass.
-
-
- > In other words, IIA.ORG does NOT, at this time, exist.
-
- The Internic thinks they do:
-
- International Internet Association (IIA2-DOM)
- 30 South First Avenue
- Highland Park, NJ 08904
-
- Domain Name: IIA.ORG
-
- Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
- Bochicchio, Charleen (CB45) char@JOY.ICM.COM
- +1 202 387 5445 (FAX) +1 202 387 5446
-
- Record last updated on 01-Dec-93.
-
- On the other hand, it is kind of odd that their mailing address is in
- New Jersey, but their phone number is in Washington DC. Internic has
- this address for their contact Ms. Bochicchio:
-
- Bochicchio, Charleen (CB45) char@JOY.ICM.COM
- International Discount Telecommunications Corp
- 294 State Street
- Hackensack, NJ 07601
- +1 202 387 5445 (FAX) +1 202 387 5446
-
- When you look up ICM.COM, they are at the same address as IIA:
-
- Intellicom (ICM-DOM)
- 30 South First Ave.
- Highland Park, NJ 08904
-
- Domain Name: ICM.COM
-
- Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
- Kramer, Michael (MK30) mikek@MINDVOX.PHANTOM.COM
- 201-417-2166
-
- Perhaps Mr. Kramer can shed some light on the situation.
-
- Their requirement that you pay by credit card could be a legitimate
- way for them to keep costs down, since bills can then be handled
- entirely automatically, or might be bogus. I couldn't say. Let us
- know if they ever call you back.
-
-
- Regards,
-
- John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, jlevine@delphi.com, 1037498@mcimail.com
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 12:29:24 PST
- From: Les Reeves <lreeves@crl.com>
- Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam
-
-
- On Tue, 11 Jan 1994, John R Levine wrote:
-
- > Perhaps Mr. Kramer can shed some light on the situation.
-
- > Their requirement that you pay by credit card could be a legitimate way
- > for them to keep costs down, since bills can then be handled entirely
- > automatically, or might be bogus. I couldn't say. Let us know if they
- > ever call you back.
-
- By the time I forwarded this to TELECOM Digest, it was a third or
- fourth generation forward. I probably should have made that a little
- more obvious.
-
- Your research is very interesting.
-
- Have you considered sharing it with the author of the message?
-
-
- Regards,
-
- Les Reeves 404/874.7806
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.EDU (Bill Mayhew)
- Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam
- Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 23:23:53 GMT
-
-
- Well, I did an MX entry check and found a record for iia.org pointing
- to mary.iia.org, which indeed does exist. A telnet shows that it is a
- SunOS system of some type. I didn't feel like doing a traceroute,
- since it is not on this host, but a ping to that system takes 91 mS
- from here in Rootstown. That probably indicates that mary.iia.org is
- within a few states' distance of Ohio, so an east coast USA location
- seems reasonable.
-
- None the less, a demand for credit card number seems bogus to me and I
- certainly would not agree to it.
-
-
- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
- Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511
- wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu amateur radio 146.58: N8WED
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: ddrg@superior.ccs.carleton.ca (Duncan Glendinning)
- Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam
- Organization: Carleton University
- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 02:26:54 GMT
-
-
- > 3. They claim your E-mail address would be <userid>@iia.org. However:
- > a. No iia.org is listed in the hq.af.mil hosts table
- > b. No iia.org is listed in the acq.osd.mil hosts table
- > c. No iia.org is listed is the INTERNIC 'whois' database
- > d. No iia.org is listed using the INTERNIC 'netfind' Internet lookup
- > In other words, IIA.ORG does NOT, at this time, exist.
-
- They're registered somewhere:
-
- Script started on Tue Jan 11 21:25:10 1994
- {superior:1} nslookup
- Default Server: alfred.ccs.carleton.ca
- Address: 134.117.1.1
-
- > set type=any
- > iia.org
- Server: alfred.ccs.carleton.ca
- Address: 134.117.1.1
-
- Non-authoritative answer:
- iia.org nameserver = MARY.IIA.ORG
- iia.org nameserver = NS.UU.NET
- Authoritative answers can be found from:
- MARY.IIA.ORG inet address = 198.4.75.9
- NS.UU.NET inet address = 137.39.1.3
- > server ns.uu.net
- Default Server: ns.uu.net
- Address: 137.39.1.3
-
- > iia.org
- Server: ns.uu.net
- Address: 137.39.1.3
-
- iia.org origin = mary.iia.org
- mail addr = char.mary.iia.org
- serial=2, refresh=10800, retry=3600, expire=604800, min=86400
- iia.org nameserver = mary.iia.org
- iia.org nameserver = ns.uu.net
- iia.org preference = 10, mail exchanger = mary.iia.org
- mary.iia.org inet address = 198.4.75.9
- ns.uu.net inet address = 137.39.1.3
- > exit
-
- script done on Tue Jan 11 21:25:40 1994
-
-
- Duncan Glendinning ddrg@ccs.carleton.ca
- Carleton University Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: news@cbnews.att.com
- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 14:54:22 GMT
- Subject: Re: Phone Phreakers Down South
- Organization: AT&T
-
-
- In article <telecom14.20.2@eecs.nwu.edu> vantek@aol.com writes:
-
- > Thought I'd pass this little story along ...
-
- > Charlotte Observer, N.C.
- > Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News
-
- > Jan. 7 -- Another Charlotte company has fallen victim to telephone
- > hackers. Pic 'N Pay Stores Inc., the Charlotte-based shoe retailer,
- > says it got stung for $17,000 by high-tech hijackers who got into the
- > company's voice- mail and dialed anywhere they pleased.
-
- > Pic 'N Pay filed suit last week against BellSouth Telecommunications
- > Inc., parent of Southern Bell, which made and serviced the phone
- > system in question.
-
- Hmm, maybe I'll file suit against Ford the next time my car is stolen.
- They made and serviced the car.
-
-
- Gary W. Sanders (N8EMR) gary.w.sanders@att.com
- AT&T Bell Labs 614.860.5965
-
-
- [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You might have a good case if Ford made
- the claim to you that the car was 'theft proof' or 'could not be stolen
- due to the way we have designed it ...' etc. It is alleged that AT&T
- made this claim to the user of the phone system. Should the customer
- have known better? Did the customer know better? What if Ford made
- those claims to you and 'documented' their claim with some high-tech
- sounding language that you as a typical consumer did not understand?
- AT&T could easily avoid this kind of lawsuit if they would make certain
- in writing that the purchaser of the equipment is aware of its flaws. PAT]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: Re: Phone Phreakers Down South
- Reply-To: krehberg@vnet.IBM.COM
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:25:03 EST
- From: V2ENA81%OWEGO@zeta.eecs.nwu.edu
-
-
- In-reply-to: vantek@aol.com's message of Sat, 08 Jan 94 21:09:02 EST:
-
- > Jan. 7 -- Another Charlotte company has fallen victim to telephone
- > hackers. Pic 'N Pay Stores Inc., the Charlotte-based shoe retailer,
- > says it got stung for $17,000 by high-tech hijackers who got into the
- > company's voice-mail and dialed anywhere they pleased.
-
- I am assuming that how is this done is to figure out people's voice
- mail passwords and then use the transfer feature to get off-site.
- However, on our voicemail system, you only have the option to transfer
- to another on-site extension or off-site tie-line (within the
- corporation, only), and not an actual local or long-distance telco
- off-site line.
-
- Are some PBX's just plain stupid in transfer restrictions, or am I
- missing something here?
-
-
- Kriston J. Rehberg Internet External :krehberg@vnet.ibm.com
- Associate Programmer/Analyst FSC Internal RSCS :V2ENA81 AT OWEGO
- ENSCO, Incorporated FSC Internal AFS :v1ena81@legend.endicott
- Loral Federal Systems Co, Owego, NY Tel: 607-751-2180 :Tieline: 662-2180
-
-
- [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There are probably various levels of security
- with some users only allowed to transfer to other extensions while others
- are allowed to make calls outside the system if desired. So often, there
- has to be a compromise between security and user convenience. Then too,
- sometimes the phreaks manage to get the root password (the code used
- by the system administrator for system maintainence) and reconfigure the
- system for themselves. Maybe it did not allow transfers to outside lines
- until the phreaks worked it over using the root password for entry and
- programmed it to start doing that.
-
- I am reminded of the time that former Digest participant John Higdon
- called me at home very late one evening on a three-way call with some
- phreak phriend(s) of his on the line because they wanted to brag and
- show me how 'someone' (the name(s) of the other person(s) on the line
- were never given to me) had broken into and looted the voicemail system
- of a certain long distance carrier which specializes in 900 service.
- It seems 'someone' had gotten in via the root password and proceeded to
- rephrase certain prompt messages, replacing what had been there with
- lewd comments of their own about the carrier's pending bankruptcy. So
- don't assume the sysadmin left that feature there. Phreaks could have
- called one night and put it back in then run up quite a phone bill by
- the time the proprietors found out what had happened. PAT]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: john@gulfa.ods.gulfnet.kw (John Temples)
- Subject: Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK?
- Date: 10 Jan 1994 19:45:45 +0300
- Organization: Gulfnet Kuwait
-
-
- > [ ... You need to match carrier with 800 number for this
- > however; the carrier of the 800 number is the carrier who's 'home
- > direct' service you need to connect with, *and not all of them will do
- > this*, although I think AT&T and MCI will. PAT]
-
- I just spoke to an AT&T USA Direct operator who told me that AT&T will
- attempt to put through calls to any 800 number, regardless of whose
- 800 number it is. But the number must be "reachable on the AT&T
- network." He specifically said AT&T does not have a policy of
- blocking calls to 800 numbers on other carriers.
-
-
- John W. Temples, III Gulfnet Kuwait
- Phone: +965 242 6728 Fax: +965 242 6720
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: dej@eecg.toronto.edu (David Jones)
- Subject: Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK?
- Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 15:10:37 -0500
-
-
- In article <telecom14.21.8@eecs.nwu.edu> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
- writes:
-
- > Actually, in all of the foregoing, "USA" should read "USA and/or
- > Canada, as appropriate for the particular number". Some 800-numbers
- > in each country can be called from the other in the usual way. In
- > fact, some can *only* be called from the other country.
-
- Of course, there are ways for Canucks to make use of USA-only 800
- numbers. If you work for BNR, you dial 6-1-800- ... from any phone.
- If you live in Toronto, then ACC Long Distance Inc. will let you dial
- US 800 numbers through their network for ten cents/min.
-
-
- David Jones, M.A.Sc student, Electronics Group (VLSI), University of Toronto
- email: dej@eecg.utoronto.ca, finger for more info/PGP public key
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: goldstein@carafe.tay2.dec.com (Fred R. Goldstein)
- Subject: Re: Hayes' New Modem
- Date: 10 Jan 1994 05:41:34 GMT
- Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Littleton MA USA
-
-
- In article <telecom14.19.10@eecs.nwu.edu> hummes@osf.org (Jakob
- Hummes) writes:
-
- > ...But there is an absolute limit (Shannon's Law). The
- > question was about the transmission over a *real* phone line. And that
- > means there exists *noise*. The limit of bps is proportional to the
- > logarithm of the signal to noise ratio. Unfortunately I don't remember
- > the constant factors.
-
- Shannon's law is, in plaintext,
- BPS(max) = Bw * log(2)((1+S)/N)
-
- That is, take the signal-to-noise ration (adding 1 to signal, so a
- negative SNR has some information present) and represent it as a power
- of 2. Multiply by bandwidth (in Hz) and you get BPS.
-
- THus if you have a 30 dB (1000) signal to noise ratio, that's 1001/1
- which is a smidgen under 2^10. If you have 3000 Hz usable bandwidth
- that's the 10 times 3000, or around 30000 bps max.
-
- It was often said that a phone line couldn't go beyond 26000 bps or
- so, based on the typical bandwidth and SNR. Today a good clean line
- is more likely to be digitally switched at 64000 bps, which is well
- above the Shannon limit (digitization is lossy), but you still get a
- theoretical limit closer to 40 kbps. Thus V.34, at 28.8 kbps, is
- pushing the envelope, but still possible. But it won't work on a line
- that's transcoded down to 32 kbps, or just plain noisy. Note the 300
- to 3400 Hz nominal frequency range; the 3400 is a hard filter.
-
-
- Fred R. Goldstein k1io goldstein@carafe.tay2.dec.com
- Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: yatesc@eggo.usf.edu (Charles Randall Yates)
- Subject: Re: Hayes' New Modem
- Date: 11 Jan 1994 03:34:36 GMT
- Organization: University of South Florida
-
-
- In article <telecom14.21.5@eecs.nwu.edu> ssatchell@BIX.com (ssatchell
- on BIX) writes:
-
- > Actually, if you really want to find out how the Hayes Optima 288 and
- > the GDC V.F modems work, get Draft Recommendation V.34 ...
-
- It's worth a look -- anyone know where this can be ftp'ed from?
-
-
- Randy
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 22:57:55 EST
- From: richw@mks.com (Rich Wales)
- Subject: Re: Radio Religion in Canada
- Reply-To: richw@mks.com (Rich Wales)
- Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
-
-
- Earlier, I mentioned that the CRTC (Canadian TV/radio regulatory
- agency) had recently changed the long-time policy forbidding
- "single-faith" religious stations in Canada.
-
- I just saw a comment on USENET (talk.religion.misc) from someone in
- the Vancouver area, reporting that an AM station there (formerly CHRX,
- now CKBD) had changed format from "classic rock" to contemporary
- Christian music.
-
- I'll try to let TELECOM know if I hear of any more such stations up
- here in Canada. In this area (Kitchener-Waterloo, west of Toronto),
- the closest such station right now is WDCX in Buffalo, which doesn't
- really come in very well this far away.
-
-
- Rich Wales (VE3HKZ, WA6SGA/VE3) Mortice Kern Systems Inc.
- richw@mks.com 35 King Street North
- +1 (519) 884-2251 Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 2W9
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm. Randolph U Franklin)
- Subject: Re: Radio Religion in Canada
- Date: 11 Jan 1994 21:22:21 GMT
- Organization: ECSE Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY, 12180 USA
- Reply-To: wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm. Randolph U Franklin)
-
-
- Canada didn't need all-religious radio stations in the past so much
- since normal stations would broadcast so much religious programming.
- I grew up (in Ottawa) listening to Ernest C. Manning's weekly "Canada
- Bible Hour" (or some such title). Manning was the Social Credit
- Premier of Alberta at the time. How many American state Governors
- have longtime nationwide religious programs?
-
- Side notes for Murricans: The Social Credit party started in the
- depression with the theme that if the government printed money and
- handed it out then the depression would end. EC Manning's son is
- Preston Manning, leader of the third largest party in Parliament now.
- He attracts a lot of invective from opponents of his right-wing
- pro-English politics.
-
-
- Wm. Randolph Franklin, wrf@ecse.rpi.edu, (518) 276-6077; Fax: -6261
- ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA
-
-
- [TELECOM Digest Moderator's Note: As another side note, my earlier
- message on this thread right at the end of the year used the past-tense
- in saying that the CBS Radio Network carried "Music and the Spoken Word"
- for over forty years which originated with station KSL in Salt Lake City,
- Utah. A few different people wrote to point out that the weekly show,
- a/k/a the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is still sending out the weekly broad-
- cast via KSL. WBBM, the CBS affiliate here hasn't carried the show for
- thirty years! Sometime in the middle 1960's they dropped it and it was
- picked up by WCLR in Skokie which coincidentally (or maybe not so coin-
- cidentally) is a radio station owned by the Bonneville Corporation, a
- corporation wholly owned by the LDS Church. Whether 'Double-You Clear'
- as they call themselves is still carrying it is anyone's guess, as I
- am not usually awake at 8 AM on Sunday. PAT]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: ssatchell@BIX.com (ssatchell on BIX)
- Subject: Re: V.35 to RS-232 Conversions
- Date: 11 Jan 94 18:44:36 GMT
- Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
-
-
- The V.35 interface is described in the Red Book. The entire section
- about V.35 was removed from the Blue Book, and all attempts I've made
- to obtain this information has met with roadblocks.
-
- If you can find someone who has a copy of the Red (or Orange) book,
- you can get this information.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: ssatchell@BIX.com (ssatchell on BIX)
- Subject: Re: FTP Site For EIA Standards
- Date: 8 Jan 94 18:48:00 GMT
- Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
-
-
- rob@ubitrex.mb.ca (Rob McConnell) writes:
-
- > Does anyone know the whereabouts of an FTP site for EIA standards,
- > specifically EIA IS-60?
-
- Currently, I know of no FTP site for EIA or TIA documents. They want
- you to buy them from Global Engineering Documents. With money.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: ue554@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Steven H. Lichter)
- Subject: Re: SprintNet Access From the Internet
- Organization: Camosun College, Victoria, B.C.
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 20:43:25 GMT
-
-
- If you have SprintNet access type C CRIS at the @ prompt. This will
- put you onto an information BBS which offers a service like you want.
- The cost is not free, but a lot less then some services.
-
-
- -=- Sysop: Apple Elite II -=- an Ogg-Net Hub BBS
- (909) 359-5338 12/24/96/14.4 V32/V42bis Via PCP CACOL/12/24
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:55:04 EST
- From: Paul R. Coen <PCOEN@DRUNIVAC.DREW.EDU>
- Subject: Re: Announcing networkMCI
- Organization: Drew University Academic Technology
-
-
- > Is that what the MCI TV commercials with the little girl with the
- > pseudo-[B]ritish accent standing in a puddle spouting existential
- > gibberish are all about?
-
- Is it a girl? I thought it was a boy. Then again, I didn't look very
- closely. All I noticed was an overly-perfect child dressed in weird
- black clothes and a really ghastly hat. And the kid sounded like one
- of the brats from _Mary Poppins_.
-
- > And I thought they were just trying to finally beat AT&T for the worst
- > imaginable ad campaign :-)
-
- You know, I felt like I was watching some sort of weird one act play
- that I didn't understand. Then again, considering that I *still*
- don't understand what "networkMCI" is besides a new name for stuff
- they already have, maybe that's okay. Does someone want to take a
- stab at explaining it?
-
- Maybe they blew the fiscal year's budget for ads on that commercial
- with everyone from "Star Trek," and they're going low budget :)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: gibhenry@cscns.com (Gib Henry)
- Subject: Re: Post Cool Phone Numbers - Strange Recorded Info Services
- Organization: Community_News_Service
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 15:06:05 GMT
-
-
- In article <telecom14.14.4@eecs.nwu.edu>, feedle@kaiwan.com (Feedlebom)
- wrote:
-
- Here's another dial-a-joke number (try overnight, after 6 p.m. until 6
- a.m.): 1-404-REQUEST.
-
-
- Gib Henry
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka)
- Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Dialtones
- Organization: Vpnet - Your FREE link to the Internet (708)833-8126
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:06:07 GMT
-
-
- > This is what happened: in ordering the new service, the phone company
- > put the new service on the original number, and put our old service on
- > the new line!
-
- Well, I have only two lines, and Illinois Bell managed to screw even
- _that_ up...
-
- When we moved to our new home, we ordered both lines at the same time.
- But because one is a residential line and the other is a business line
- they were installed at different times. The residential line went in
- first, and worked just fine. Two days later, the business line went
- in. But they wired the business line to the residential circuits, and
- _disconnected_ the residential line altogether! Calls to the
- residential line were RNA.
-
- I don't get it; they had to add a new drop for the business circuit,
- so they must have known there were supposed to be two lines working.
-
- I called and raised whatfor, and FWIW they were back within an hour
- and put things right.
-
-
- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us
- Proud father of Daniel Scott born August 9, 1993
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 08:32:22 EST
- From: Thomas Lapp <thomas%mvac23.uucp@udel.edu>
- Subject: Cold Temperatures
-
-
- Pat, you complained of the temps being below zero in Chicago the next
- few days. Well, someplace it is always worse.
-
- In the Philadelphia/Delaware Valley area, we had freezing rain wich
- put 1/4 inch or more of ice on trees, power and phone lines, hanging
- traffic lights, etc. Philadelphia Electric reported 500,000 consumers
- out of power, with half of them not getting power back for up to 48
- hours. 160 crews from outside PECO service area were coming in to
- help them out. While you sit in your home, there are a goodly number
- of folks who had to leave their homes because they have no power to
- heat the home. I'd also not enjoy being one of the utility folks who
- had to work a full shift last night repairing lines with temperatures
- in the teens.
-
- Brrr.
-
-
- tom
- internet : mvac23!thomas@udel.edu or thomas%mvac23@udel.edu (home)
- Location : Newark, DE, USA
-
-
- [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Next thing you know, I'll be printing
- messages from you here telling me I should be grateful for what I have
- and not complaining so much ... :) I believe outside utility workers
- are worth every nickle they are paid and then some. Christmas Eve, 1983:
- record cold temperatures here ... the temperature dropped to 29 *below
- zero* early Christmas Eve and did not go above zero again for three days.
- On Christmas, the *high* temperature for the day was something obscene
- like minus ten degrees. Despite conditions as they were, three friends
- and myself decided to have our holiday dinner downtown at Berghoff's.
- On the corner of State and Adams, a big excavation in the street with
- a truck parked there from the Municipal Water Works. The excavation
- area was blocked off by street barricades and a trash barrel sitting
- nearby had been set afire, with three men standing there around the
- fire warming themselves. In the hole in the street, at least fifteen
- feet below down into the ground was this black, muddy, gunky looking
- water swirling around rapidly and therein stood two men in hip boots
- with water halfway up to their posterior with tools doing their thing
- to replace an obviously quite broken underground water pipe. Despite
- the ten or fifteen below zero or whatever -- it had gotten so cold it
- no longer mattered -- I was fascinated by this and stood there a minute
- or so peering down into the hole at those two guys, the water swirling
- around everywhere and them banging away and digging, etc ... Christmas
- Day in downtown Chicago.
-
- One of the men standing by the barrel of burning trash was the
- foreman; he saw me and said jokingly, "Would you like to give it a go,
- sir? I've got a tool here for you that's about the right size ... when
- they come up, you can go on down a bit and see what you think ..." I
- asked him what those guys got paid and his answer was that 'normally'
- they get seventeen dollars per hour, ".... but today being Christmas
- they get *double time and a half* ... and for reasons of safety the
- union requires two men on the job to look out for each other, so that
- one doesn't fall down and drown, or have it all cave in him, you know?
- ... ". The two who had been in the hole apparently got the water flow
- shut off about that time and climbed up to the street and headed right
- to the fire to warm themselves. They passed among themselves a bottle
- which did not appear to contain iced tea and the foreman invited me to
- share with them but I declined and went inside Berghoff's to join my
- friends. When we came out nearly two hours later full of turkey and
- stuffings and a few drinks of our own, all five of the water works
- crew were down in the hole installing a new section of pipe, slopping
- around through the now nearly frozen mud. Outside utility workers are
- marvelous people. Does anyone remember when the two AT&T workers were
- killed in an accident in the Rocky Mountains in January several years
- ago? They had volunteered to go out to a very desolate area and
- replace a downed aerial cable that provided telephone service to a
- little town. Due to very icy, very hazardous conditions their vehicle
- skidded and overturned; they were killed. It happens, and it t'aint
- funny. PAT]
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-
- From: STEVE2400@delphi.com
- Subject: How To Download Files From local Internet Access?
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 05:33:57 EST
- Organization: Delphi Internet
-
-
- I recently got access to the internet at my local school. I'm pretty
- new to the Internet and Unix but I managed to FTP some files into my
- directory at the local site. Now I need someone to tell me how to get
- the files from the computer at school to my computer at home. I would
- appreciate if some of you experienced Internet users could help me
- with the correct information.
-
- Please send mail to stevens@tstc.edu first or STEVE2400@delphi.com.
-
-
- Thank you,
-
- Steve
-
-
- [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The above message was recieved from
- this new user and perhaps one or more of the regular readers will
- write him and try to help him resolve his problem. Thanks! PAT]
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