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- Interview With Big Black
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- by G.A. Ellsworth
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- >>> A CULT Publication......1988 <<<
- -cDc- CULT OF THE DEAD COW -cDc-
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- This is a portion of an interview done with Steve Albini of Big Black.
- The (I)nterviewers were Rachel Brickman, Scott Sendra and G.A. Ellsworth, and
- the interview was done at the Big Black/Beefeater show on July 5th at the
- Graystone. We pretty much set the tape recorder in front of him and let him
- go....
-
- Big Black is (was): Steve Albini - Guitar and Vocals
- Santiago Durango- Guitar
- Dave Riley - Bass
- Roland - Roland (drum machine)
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- I: I want to get into this child abuse thing- because in the song "Jordan,
- Minnesota," you take a strong stance on it.
-
- Steve: It's not like we're trying to make any great statement or anything...
- I think it's just pretty obvious- people shouldn't be fucking their
- kids. I mean that's a pretty manifestive world. That's just a subject
- for a song like any other. We're all pretty interested in ridiculous
- extremes that people go to for no real reason, just because they have
- nothing better to do. That's a pretty extreme situation, where you
- have a whole town of people who are actively involved in kid fucking.
-
- I: Is that fictitious, or is it...
-
- Steve: Oh no. You ought to look it up. Jordan, Minnesota, 2 years ago, there
- were 26 indictments handed down by a district attorney for this group
- of people, which is literally about a third of the adult population of
- this town, Jordan, Minnesota, who were involved in this elaborate kid
- fucking ring. They would play these weird games, they'd play spin the
- bottle, they'd get to fuck each other's kids, and they'd take each
- other's kids home and things like that. It was really absolutely
- staggering, right? All these parents got big-ass lawyers, and the
- district attorney was afraid that these kids would collapse under cross
- examination, like have nervous breakdowns. With domineering adults
- screaming at them that they're lying, of course these kids are going to
- flip out. So, they dropped all the charges. Which means all these
- kids are going back to their houses, and the exact same shit has got to
- be going on. Nothing has changed, basically. I mean, you guys hadn't
- even known it had happened- that shows you how much publicity there is
- about stuff like this. And now all these kids are back in their
- houses.
-
- I: And it's all the kids now, because the parents are the people they're
- supposed to respect.
-
- Steve: A four year old kid, he has no cognizance of his own personality yet.
- He doesn't even know he's a distinct person from everybody else in the
- world, and here he is being taught, basically, that the way people
- interact is by fucking each other's kids.
-
- I: The song "Cables"- was there any specific incident that inspired that?
-
- Steve: There are these guys that I used to know in high school, in Montana;
- they just really got off on going to the slaughterhouse for entertain-
- ment. Just go to the slaughterhouse and watch the cows get killed.
- That was like TV for them. It was that or go home in the trailer park
- and get drunk. Sniff glue. There was nothing else to do. One time I
- remember specifically this guy telling me about this guy who let him
- drag a cow into the stall. The way they do it is pretty cool. They
- take a pressurized gun and drive a bolt through the snout of a cow, and
- they clip a cable to either side of the bolt. And then there's this
- winch that hauls the cow into the stall, and then there's a compression
- hammer that crushes the cow's skull. This guy thought this was just
- about the coolest process- all this machinery and technology. It's
- just another example of what people do for fun.
-
- I: What does the "Bitch Magnet" by Dave Riley's name on the back cover of
- Atomizer mean?
-
- Steve: Bitch magnet! That just means bitch magnet. Whenever we go anywhere,
- Dave like has all these women just follow him.
-
- I:(Rachel) But are they all bitches?
-
- Steve: Well, no. Bitch is just a generic term.
-
- I:(G.A.) You're a feminist, eh?
-
- Steve: Well, I don't believe you have to be completely dogmatic in your
- language to think reasonably. Certainly none of us are sexist in the
- traditional sexist notions, or have sexist leanings, right? But
- because that's understood, we don't have to keep haranguing on it, to
- keep reaffirming to ourselves that we believe what we believe. So once
- that's given, once you know what you think, there's no reason to be
- ginger about what you say, as long as you know what you mean. I think
- that's a rally important thing. A lot of people, they're very careful
- not to say things that might offend certain people or do anything that
- might be misinterpreted. But what they don't realize is that the point
- of all this is to change the way you live your life, not the way you
- speak. I have less respect for the man who bullies his girlfriend and
- calls her "Ms." than a guy who treats women reasonably and respectfully
- and calls them "Yo! Bitch!" The substance is what matters. People who
- get the point are going to agree with us philosophically, and we don't
- have to explain ourselves to them. People who miss the point, no matter
- how much we explain ourselves, aren't going to understand anyway.
-
- I: You play Detroit a lot. Is there a reason?
-
- Steve: Oh yeah! Tonight we're playing this show because we want to finish the
- video we started a year ago. This video has been the most doomed video-
- everything that's possible to go wrong has gone wrong. The last time we
- played here the lights went out for the second half of the set, but that
- was OK because as it turned out, at the end of the night when we looked
- at the tape, one of the cameras had blown a tube so it was just
- producing this incredibly snowy, shitty looking image the entire time.
- The time we came to Detroit before that and were video taped, some
- baboon lost the master tape of the video shoot. There were all these
- high school jamokes doing the video taping. One of them like took the
- tape home to put a porno movie on it or something- I don't know.
-
- I: Is the tape going to be released?
-
- Steve: It should be released on Touch and Go, assuming we get something
- salvaged from the three tapes.
-
- I: We are wondering exactly what the song "Passing Complexion" is about.
-
- Steve: I couldn't tell you exactly... I could tell you what specific things in
- it are.... There's the line, "She would take his children, black and
- white, to her own breasts"- there was an Amelia Jackson interview on the
- radio that I listened to once, and she was talking about how her mother
- would nurse these white parents' children, literally wet nurse them. So
- here's this woman who is good enough to take their babies and raise them
- and feed them off her breast, but she wasn't good enough to sit in their
- living room. There was basically a whole third class of citizens who
- were black people who were pale enough to be accepted into gentile
- company if they were entertainers, if they were businessmen in town or
- something like that. They had passing complexion- they weren't so dark
- that people had to think of them as black people, they could sort of
- construe in their mind that they were white people IF it were
- convenient. If there was some reason to, they could think of them as
- white people. There were only two divisions in society- the rich,
- upper-crust white class or just another darky, and the divisions were so
- obvious, so they all tried to fit into white, gentile society. That's
- where the whole industry developed for hair straightening and skin
- lightening. Like Porcelana Fading Cream was originally developed to
- lighten Negro skin.
-
- I: That's so warped.
-
- Steve: It's bizarre, but it's real. I think that's the main thing we're all
- interested in, for the subject matter for our songs goes. It's sorta
- like a Ripley's Believe It or Not. If you have an interest in things
- sort of out of the ordinary, and you stumble across something like this,
- you think, "This can't be!" But it turns out to be true, and that makes
- it even wilder. Like today- we're driving down the highway and we
- counted thirty mufflers by the side of the road. Thirty fucking
- mufflers! In a span of about four miles. (laughter) Detroit is
- Muffler Hell. I've never seen that many mufflers by the side of the
- road in my life. And where in the world would you go except Detroit to
- see that many mufflers?
-
- Steve: (following discussion of band economics and such) So, in short, we are
- perfectly satisfied with the number of people who like the band. It
- wouldn't bother us at all if half that many did. I don't think it would
- change anything if ten times as many came to see us. It wouldn't change
- the way we do anything, it wouldn't change the number of people that
- give a shit, it wouldn't change the effect of the band- it would just be
- more bodies. The additional bodies wouldn't care any more, they'd just
- be warm.
-
- I: So you don't think you get through to anyone, there isn't anyone who can
- get something from it?
-
- Steve: Well, somebody walking in cold, knowing nothing about the band might be
- turned on by it, but I think that anybody walking in cold and knowing
- nothing about it is kind of suspect, because this kind of music has been
- around long enough so that people should be aware of what's happening.
- Which is not to say everyone should know who we are; what I'm saying is
- that if only three thousand people should be enough for us. We have no
- interest in expanding our audience beyond the number of people that
- really give a shit.... If there are ten people in the audience, or a
- thousand people in our audience, there are probably only three or four
- that catch on. Three or four that have some idea of what we're doing.
- Most of them, they may appreciate some of it, they may like some of it,
- some of it may affect them physically, some of it may affect them
- intellectually, but as far as people grooving on the same mania, there
- aren't more than two or three sockets that any plug can fit into, and
- we're a very specific taste.
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