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- From: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards)
- Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc,sci.philosophy.tech
- Subject: Re: FREE WILL 2: Neither a Determinist nor an Indeterminist be.
- Message-ID: <1992Nov13.023243.24641@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: 13 Nov 92 02:32:43 GMT
- References: <spurrett.37.721583229@superbowl.und.ac.za> <1992Nov12.224326.6870@guinness.idbsu.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov12.224326.6870@guinness.idbsu.edu>, holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:
- |>
- |> I agree with Spurrett that "free will" involves the notion that one
- |> chooses an action and could have chosen otherwise. But this is not
- |> incompatible with determinism if one chooses the sense of possibility
- |> correctly. The sense in which the agent could have acted otherwise is
- |> that _so far as he knows_ he could have acted otherwise. This makes
- |> sense in a deterministic universe because of incomplete information.
- |> [.....]
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- It seems to me that with this one is just back to arguing that indeterminism
- allows free will ... as pointed out by many when examined closely this
- argument does not fair very well.
-
- That is, with lack of knowledge certainly the world looks non-deterministic.
- Since, we can never completely know the state of the universe, from our
- point of view the universe is non-deterministic, even if at some level
- the universe is "really" deterministic. This still does not do anything
- for us in the attempt to establish that there is someting that we all
- would recognize as free will.
-
- Larry Edwards
-