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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Ayn Rand
- Message-ID: <nyikos.720910878@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- Date: 4 Nov 92 21:01:18 GMT
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- In <yXeeTB1w165w@momad.UUCP> siphon@momad.UUCP (Stimpson J. Katz) writes:
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- >Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
- >Subject: Re: ayn rand
-
- >Stephen Grossman writes:
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-
- > As for your comments on why Objectivists win debates, I think it
- >should be noted that not only do objectivists win debates but new 'converts'
- >win debates right and left almost immediately. If Objectivism allows its
- >followers to concoct "quick rebuttals .. [that] prove to be weak and full
- >of flaws," I must ask you if these rebuttals have a common thread or are
- >unrelated?
-
- > If they have a common thread, everyone would quickly arm themselves
- >aginst the common flaws and weaknessess to the common thread, yet observation
- >shows the same people losing the same debates for the same reasons over and
- >over, despite consulting with their ideological allies for battle plans.
- >If they have no common thread, then tell me how Objectivism empowers
- >people to generate new, unique, quick rebuttals spontaneously (without
- >appealling to a higher power)!
-
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- I wonder what Ayn Rand had to say about G. K. Chesterton. A whole
- chapter of _Orthodoxy_ is given over to the relation of reason to
- madness. The following passage is typical, and also addresses your
- last two paragraphs.
-
- If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you
- will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the
- quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good
- judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humour or by charity,
- or by the dumb certainties of experience. He is the more logical
- for losing certain sane affections. Indeed, the common phrase
- for insanity is in this respect a misleading one. The madman
- is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man
- who has lost everything except his reason.
- --from the chapter, "The Maniac" [p. 29 in the 1959
- Image Book edition]
-
- Now I do not want to start a flamewar with these words, I just want to
- call your attention to them, and ask whether Ayn Rand or any other
- Objectivist has had anything to say about "The Maniac" in particular
- or Chesterton in general.
-
- Peter Nyikos
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