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- From: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (LYNN ALFORD)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: J Price consistently refuses to answer the question
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.165639.14639@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
- Date: 12 Nov 92 16:38:51 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov9.165434.20916@ncsu.edu>, jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes...
- >
- >In article <19242.2afd6c4e@levels.unisa.edu.au>, 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon) writes:
- >(all previous arguments deleted to save space and actualy answer a question)
- >|>In article <1992Nov3.210902.3556@ncsu.edu>,
- >|>jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
- >
- >|>So, it's OK to kill unwanted puppies but not unwanted fetus's just
- >|>because a dog isn't a human? Are you implying that humans are in some
- >|>absolute way that humans are superior to all other animals?
-
- >I don't think it is OK to kill any animal (insects excluded) but one thing I
- >have noticed is that talking to someone and you talk to them about getting
- >a little puppy put to sleep will elicit more of an emotional response then
- >talking about abortion. Is a puppy any more important than a baby.
-
- Not that this is in any way truly related to abortion, but do you think
- this is the excuse so many people use when they just abandon their cat or
- dog by the roadside? That it is too cruel to put them to sleep? In which
- case, they are ignoring entirely the fact that they are most likely
- exchanging a quick painless death for one of slow starvation. Or perhaps
- the animal does learn to hunt, creating even more havoc among the native
- wildlife whch is having a difficult time because of loss of habitat.
-
- By the way, who is killing babies? Abortion removes a fetus, which may be
- alive, but isn't the same as a baby.
-
- >|>Time and time again you do not answer the question:
- >|>
- >|>A woman has taken EVERY precaution she can, condom, spermicide, pill,
- >|>the works. She has indicated from the very start that she does NOT
- >|>want that pregnancy. By some cruel twist of fate, she gets pregnant.
- >|>
- >|>Should she or should she not get an abortion?
- >|>
- >She should not! She indicated from the very start that she knows sex can
- >result in a pregnancy and that she has thought of this. She should have
- >thought about that small case in which she did get pregnant. She should be
- >prepared to deal with the child.
-
- Ok, Jeff, let's get down to cases. I had a friend who is married. She was
- on the Pill, because she didn't want to be pregnant. Now you say that if
- this married woman, had sex with her husband, then she must bring any
- pregnancy to term?
-
- Well, there is a small problem in this case. This person is trying to
- avoid children for good reason. She was on several medications for major
- allergies and for chronic depression. Now, before getting pregnant, she
- should be off these drugs for a couple of months, to avoid any potential
- fetal damage (read possible minor to major birth defects.) If she did get
- pregnant due to birth control failure, she was going to have an abortion,
- because it was very unlikely that she would have a healthy baby.
-
- Now, would you force this woman to continue an unplanned pregnancy?
- Knowing that it was very likely that any baby would have some sort of birth
- defect due to medication the mother was taking?
-
- (note, this example is in present and past tense because I haven't spoken
- to this person in some time. Things in past tense may have changed by
- now.)
-
- >|>Answer the question: What if she is forced to change her mind because
- >|>of reasons not under her control?
- >|>
- >Have the baby because she purposely brought it into the world
-
- People using birth control are *not* purposely bringing any offspring into
- the world. They are trying to avoid offspring. Why force them to have
- children they aren't prepared for?
-
- Lynn
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