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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: compromise
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.165611.11686@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <XPTSBFRQ@cc.swarthmore.edu> <BxCtI5.8ut@cs.psu.edu> <BxD2p5.3BJ.2@cs.cmu.edu>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:56:11 GMT
- Lines: 85
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- In article <BxD2p5.3BJ.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- >
- >[Since this is solely about abortion, follow-ups set to talk.
- >abortion]
- >In article <BxCtI5.8ut@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >#In article <XPTSBFRQ@cc.swarthmore.edu> auer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David S. Auer) writes:
- >##In article <Bx8wxx.6Dz@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >
- >###Any state in the Union can permit an abortion on the day before birth.
- >###
- >###"Pro-choicers" sweep this under the rug. It's not so politically pleasant.
- >###(Although it is politically correct.)
- >##
- >##We don't sweep it under the rug, we are quite happy about it. We would be
- >##happier if there were even fewer restrictions upon abortion roghts.
- >#
- >#Who's "we"? Are you a spokesman? Finally, a leader arises!
- >#
- >#Questions for anybody considering themselves pro-choice:
- >#
- >#. Does David S. Auer represent the pro-choice movement?
- >#
- >#. Are you "quite happy" with legal abortion on the day before birth,
- ># where the mother's health is not threatened?
- >#
- >#No; no.
- >
- >Auer is representative of the pro-choice movement. The official
- >position of most groups that support legal abortion is that
- >abortion is a medical procedure, and as such, the decision to
- >have an abortion should be left up to the pregnant woman and
- >the attending physician and not subject to legal restrictions
- >beyond those that apply to all other medical procedures.
-
- Name one "other medical procedure", besides the abortion of a viable
- fetus, which needlessly and deliberately kills a human organism.
-
- >I am quite happy with the notion that abortions should be freely
- >available to any woman who requests one and has a doctor who
- >is willing to perform the procedure. I'm not concerned about
- >the possibility of an abortion the day before birth for several
- >reasons. I've seen no evidence that it's ever happened, for one
- >thing.
-
- I've never had anyone I know be murdered by being thrown into a vat
- of sulphuric acid. Should that act therefore be legal?
-
- >I've seen no evidence that there are any doctors willing
- >to perform such abortions, for another.
-
- Do you deny the existence of some doctors who would do ANYTHING for a
- buck?
-
- >I've seen no evidence
- >that any women have requested that their pregnancies be terminated
- >and that the fetus be killed at that late stage, either.
-
- Just because Susie Garvin "sees no evil^Hdence" doesn't preclude the
- possibility that such evidence does in fact exist, or that the practice
- is occurring without leaving any evidence at all.
-
- >I'd
- >rather that we preserved a woman's right to bodily integrity
- >than that we enact some laws to make some people feel better
- >about covering all possibilities.
-
- Since you claim that no such abortions are occurring, just _whose_ bodily
- autonomy (not "integrity", btw) do you suppose you're "preserving"?
-
- >I'd rather that we not have
- >government-defined exemptions for politically acceptable
- >reasons.
-
- Empty words. All laws are "government-defined" and, at some level,
- "politically acceptable". What you say here is so vague that it could apply
- to ANY legal exception whatsoever.
-
- >I think that the two people actually involved in
- >the procedure itself are capable of making this decision.
-
- Since you only identify two "people" as being involved in the procedure, does
- this mean you rest your abortion position on nebulous, arbitrary "personhood"
- arguments, Susie? I thought you were a better Bodily Autonomist than that.
-
- - Kevin
-