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- From: prakuser@KUB.NL (Algemene practicum User)
- Subject: Re: Nadja's Reprehensible Attitude Towards Men
- Message-ID: <prakuser.1@KUB.NL>
- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:12:53 GMT
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- References: <1992Nov6.041844.13267@zooid.guild.org> <1992Nov7.003620.9584@tessi.com>
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- In article <1992Nov7.003620.9584@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
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- >Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
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- >>NA> If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
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- >>I'd be willing to bet that for every man who leaves a pregnant woman, there are
- >>(almost) EQUAL numbers of women who abort a child wanted by the father. (There
- >>is no study on this at the moment...yet). So don't be so willing to take the
- >>moral high ground by declaring men to be unwilling to be parents.
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- >>And BY THE WAY, to start off this little survey... (and to disprove your
- >>outrageous claim that men would choose abortion en-masse if they could get
- >>pregnant)... I don't consider it unreasonable for myself to represent not
- >>only myself, but Don Beaver, Michael Rivero, John Stevens, and the HUNDREDS OF
- >>THOUSANDS of men who have gone through this experience and have been kept silent
- >>by counselling professionals who consider only women's feelings to be important,
- >>and by feminists who declare men who break their silence to be "bible thumping
- >>pro-life patriarchal oppressors," by saying:
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- >>IF MEN COULD GET PREGNANT, WE WOULD *KEEP* OUR CHILDREN!
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- >I'm a male and I can think of plenty of guys who would abort if men could
- >get pregnant and they did. As for me, I've got two great little boys and
- >another on the way. If all of this had happened 10-15 years ago (when I
- >was 18-23), I don't know if I would have been able to make the decision
- >to have a family at that time in my life. I know that the Mug which has
- >the "If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament" saying is somewhat
- >of a joke, there is, in my view, lots of truth in that. I'm really not all
- >so sure all men would keep their children, 'course since I don't have any
- >research or numbers, I can't back up this statement, but I do have some good
- >references for my making this statement.
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- >allen
- >--
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- > Allen Warren
- > TSSI -- Beaverton, OR
- > Disclaimer: My ramblings are NOT those of TSSI
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