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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: TOO YOUNG TO CHOOSE
- Message-ID: <nyikos.721340763@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
- References: <1992Nov2.171205.10640@ncsu.edu> <1992Nov2.203619.22635@netcom.com> <1992Nov3.210902.3556@ncsu.edu> <1d728aINNfb@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
- Date: 9 Nov 92 20:26:03 GMT
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- In <1d728aINNfb@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
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- >In article <1992Nov3.210902.3556@ncsu.edu> jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
- >>On this point we are both right. There are always exceptions and always rules.
- >>I favor a 24-hour waiting period. This will give those that did not do
- >>enough "soul-searching" time to do so and for those that already have while
- >>a minor inconvience it will not change the desicion they have come to.
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- >It isn't a minor inconvenience to a poor woman who cannot afford -- literally
- >cannot afford -- the time spent away from work, and the money spent on a hotel
- >in the only town within miles that has a clinic.
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- Granted, for some it is a major inconvenience. That's why I prefer a 4-hour
- waiting period. Gives the woman time to go out and have lunch, or
- whatever, and study the information on risks, etc. without clinic employees
- hurrying her along.
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- > Nota Bene, this poor woman
- >probably also cannot afford a child, which may well be one factor in her de-
- >cision to abort. But many would be content ignoring her needs, her realization
- >that she cannot afford a child, that she doesn't want to face the poverty
- >and want with or without a child. The 24 hour waiting period is not an
- >'inconvenience' to this woman, it is a barrier.
-
- Meanwhile, the child is left out of the equation by Adrienne, as usual.
-
- >>I think it is amazing that a 15 year old girl who can't drive,drink alchool,
- >>buy cigarettes,vote,go into the military,etc... can get an abortion without
- >>parental or judicial consent(these cases are in N.C.)
-
- >I think it's downright amazing that a 15 year old girl who can't drive,
- >drink alcohol, buy cigarettes, vote, go into the military, etc., can have
- >a CHILD without parental or judicial consent!!!!!!!!!!
-
- Is Adrienne being satirical here, or does she want to be labeled a
- "pro-abort" on this newsgroup?
-
- >As long as we are fully informing women of the pros and cons, make damn sure
- >the legal statements CLEARLY inform her she is safer to have an abortion than
- >to have a baby.
-
- Such things need to be decided on an individual basis. For some women,
- the abortion would be safer. For others, carrying to term would be
- safer. A thorough physical examination might reveal which category
- the woman belongs in, but all too many abortionists don't give a damn
- about that.
-
- How many abortion clinics require evidence of a physical exam by a
- competent gynecologist or GP before performing an abortion?
- (My guess: less than 1%)
-
- How many abortion clinics will give a woman a thorough exam to see
- whether abortion is better for her health than carrying to term?
- (My guess: less than 1%)
-
- > Also, the legal statements should CLEARLY inform her of the
- >costs of raising a child in the US today.
-
- As long as we are going to be this thorough, let's also inform them
- of the cost of living in retirement homes if they have no children
- they can move in with. Let's also tell them of how much social
- security they are likely to get forty years from now, assuming the
- system doesn't self-destruct in the meantime.
-
- > And let's make sure we are
- >making ALL women our audience -- not just women who want abortions. Let's
- >make sure that women who are choosing to have children know what they are
- >getting into.
-
- I don't think Mr. Blackshaw is the number one contender for the title
- of "pro-abort" any more.
-
- >What was the figure I just posted? Something more than 80% of women in the
- >United States today use birth control. The failure rate alone for the various
- >methods accounts for nearly TWICE the number of abortions in this country
- >per year. I think we are doing a dandy job educating women. Maybe it's
- >medical researchers, who should develop better birth control methods that
- >you mean to educate.
-
- Maybe the reason for the high failure rate is that women know "I can
- easily get an abortion if it fails," and many often don't care to use
- the devices properly.
-
- Hmm... maybe a 24 hour waiting period isn't such a bad idea...
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- Peter Nyikos
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