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- From: parker@ehsn18.cen.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: Duality of wave/particle, human/divine [Was:... or chavinism?]
- References: <fTF31xn@quack.sac.ca.us> <Ds1JsB5w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> <fTRK9T2@quack.sac.ca.us> <nyikos.719271158@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1c461gINNf17@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> <nyikos.719773928@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <Bwy9A4.Kt3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <nyikos.720810525@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:02:36 GMT
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- nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
-
- >Date: 3 Nov 92 17:08:45 GMT
- >Lines: 81
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- >In <Bwy9A4.Kt3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu () writes:
-
- >>nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
-
- >>>For some reason the distribution line was missing, and I've restored it.
-
- >>>In <1c461gINNf17@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> morgan@sitka.triumf.ca (Morgan Burke) writes:
-
- >>>>In article <nyikos.719271158@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>>>|> In <fTRK9T2@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
- >>>>|> >And it
- >>>>|> >remains for someone to explain the Christian dilema as the question of
- >>>>|> >the dual nature of light has been already explained by science.
- >>>>|> ^^^^^^^^^
- >>>>|> Really? where?
- >>>>[stuff deleted]
- >>>>|> please tell me where
- >>>>|> this earth-shattering explanation is to be found, and who the Nobel
- >>>>|> Prize winner is who first provided it.
- >>>>|>
- >>>>|> Peter Nyikos
-
- >>>>Nobel Prizes awarded for studies into the wave-particle duality of matter:
- >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- >>>Kind of misses the point, doesn't it? Sort of like talking about
- >>>religious notables who wrote long studies into the human-divine duality
- >>>of Jesus, which Paul Harvey [whose world-view is worlds apart from that
- >>>of _the_ Paul Harvey] was UNFAVORABLY comparing to the alleged
- >>>EXPLANATION of the wave-particle duality of matter.
- >
- >>>> 1914 Max Von Laue Rontgen ray diffration
- >>>> 1929 Louis-Victor de Broglie wave nature of the electron
- >>>> 1930 Chandrasekhara Raman scattering of light
- >>>> 1932 Werner Heisenberg quantum mechanics
- >>>> 1937 Davisson & Thompson electron diffration
-
- >>[Trivia deleted]
-
- >>No it's not "sort of like talking about ... studies into the human-divine
- >>duality of Jesus". When one says "studies into" in a scientific context,
- >>one means *scientific* studies
-
- >There are also historical studies, textual studies, linguistic studies,
- >and (if you can bear to say it) biblical studies. And why are you only
- >speaking of a scientific context?
-
- >> (which include things like controlled
- >>experiments, physical evidence, extensive testing of a hypothesis to form
- >>it into a theory, extensive testing of a theory in an attempt to disprove it
- >>(which is more exciting than proving it true), and other such intensive
- >>activities). They do not give out Nobel prizes trivially. You do not get
- >>a Nobel prize for doing "some work" on a topic. You get the Nobel prize
- >>years after the fact, when other researchers have demonstrated that you were
- >>indeed right on the money with your theory (if you're still alive--the Nobel
- >>prize is not given post-humously).
-
- >All fine and dandy, but it still falls short of explanation. And I see
- >no indication above that any of these notables got the Nobel Prize for
- >explaining, or even attempting to explain, the dual nature.
-
- >>Tell me how these "biblical scholars" do their "studies" with such evidence
- >>that could be shared by everyone. There are no controlled experiments. There
- >>is no physical evidence. There isn't much of anything that you can *show*
- >>someone else (assuming you could afford the equipment) to "prove" to them
- >>without an effort to *feel* it themselves.
-
- >You are confusing ontology with epistemology. Biblical scholars have a
- >coherent *theory* of the dual nature of the human/divine in Jesus,
- >which could well be as deeply researched as anything above. That they cannot
- >*prove* it, in the absence of an agreement that the bible is inerrant
- >about fundamentals of the Christian faith, is beside the point.
-
- >>Do NOT try to compare religion to physical sciences.
-
- >They are very different, granted. Even theology is very different from
- >the physical sciences. But then, so is history. Do you subscribe to
- >the saying that history is bunk?
-
- No, I am saying that comparing "studies" in a philosophical (or religious)
- sense to "studies" in a physical sense is bunk.
-
- As far as the EXPLANATION about the particle/wave nature of matter, that would
- involve a lot more time and effort to describe than the fact that it *has* been
- explained. If you haven't seen the explanation and are really interested in
- knowing about it, get a Quantum Mechanics textbook and/or take a course.
-
- >Peter Nyikos
-
-