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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: In defense of Peter against "Lady" Adrienne
- Message-ID: <nyikos.721000472@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- References: <1992Oct27.201913.29786@acd4.acd.com> <92303.214624ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
- Date: 5 Nov 92 21:54:32 GMT
- Lines: 87
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- I'm still not up on all the little aspects of posting. When it says
- "Distribution: na " what does that mean? I am accustomed to "na"
- standing for "not applicable", but if that's what it means, I'm still
- in the dark as to what happens when one posts with that distribution.
-
- Anyway, I deleted "na" and substituted "world".
-
- In <92303.214624ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Linda Birmingham <ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
-
- >In article <1992Oct27.201913.29786@acd4.acd.com> Bill Overpeck says:
- >>In <92295.213806ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Linda Birmingham writes:
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-
- >>The capabilities of women have nothing to do with my position
- >>as there are, from my perspective, competing interests at stake
- >>in the abortion debate. As capable as women are, I do not see
- >>how they (or any member of another gender, for that matter) can
- >>adequately represent both sets of competing interests at the same
- >>time.
-
- >Are men not judging competing interests in war or in
- >the judicial system? Your position implies that women are
- >incapable of doing so over the jurisdiction of their own
- >bodies. By supporting governments that pass laws that
- >affect people's lives, you support the ability of someone
- >to represent the competing interests do you not? So why
- >can't you afford this ability to the woman whose body is
- >affected?
-
- I think the situation is more analogous to slaveowners deciding what
- is best for their slaves. Only the fetus is far more helpless
- than any slaves were. This state of helplessness counts as a strike
- against it in talk.abortion, where it is called "dependency".
-
- >> And where, if you don't mind, have I ever mentioned "the
- >>paternal aid of men..."?
-
- >I never said you did mention it Mr. Overpeck. Please
- >read what I wrote. To help you, consider the following:
- >Who drafts laws. Who holds the majority of votes in
- >your congress, senate or supreme court.
-
- "Pro-choicers" is the obvious answer to all parts of the last
- sentence. And now, alas, the answer also holds if you say
- "White House", at least as of mid-January 1993.
-
- >>>Mr. Overpeck lobbies for the removal of a woman's right to
- >>>make decisions over her body.
-
- Another "phantom universal" by Ms. Birmingham.
-
- >>Untrue. However, I do "lobby" for the interests of the owner
- >>of the other body involved.
-
- >That other "body" resides within a woman. Whether you care
- >to ignore it or not, doesn't make it not so.
-
- Don't be silly. How could Overpeck be ignoring it? He does not think,
- however, that this fact is any more relevant than the fact that slaves
- resided on their owners' properties.
-
- > If you wish
- >to lobby for the preservation of that entity, I suggest
- >you support fetology and research into ways of preserving
- >fetal life outside of the womb.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Why doesn't Keith Cochran ever notice it when pro-choicers use
- this kind of "oxymoron"?
-
- By the way, Suzanne Rini, in _Beyond Abortion_, talks about ways of
- doing just that, only the pro-choice lobby is just as uninterested
- in fetology, etc. as it is in other "restrictions" on a woman's "right
- to choose."
-
- >>The dramatic loading of your vernacular is sadly
- >>narrow.
-
- >Perhaps to you it is Mr. Overpeck, but then it is not your
- >body that is being lobbied against.
-
- And it is not your body that is most in danger of being destroyed either,
- Ms. Birmingham. Remember the other body Mr. Overpeck spoke of?
-
- Peter Ny.
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