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- From: eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley)
- Subject: Re: Holtsinger on Harassment & Health
- Message-ID: <1992Nov8.064722.10308@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- References: <92311.065313ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
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- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:47:22 GMT
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- In article <92311.065313ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
- Linda Birmingham <ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
- >In article <1992Nov3.191744.22467@midway.uchicago.edu>
- >e elizabeth bartley says
-
- >>Linda dear, my blood pressure has yet to change due to people
- >>questioning the merits of my position. I simply become upset when
- >>people describe a position that a hundred abortion a year should be
- >>heavily restricted and all others should be unrestricted as
- >>"anti-choice", when people quote my suggesting prison terms for women
- >>getting illegal abortions and carefully leave out the context which
- >>makes it clear that these are only non-medically necessary third
- >>trimester abortions, and such similar things.
-
- >Elizabeth dear in or out of context supporting jail
- >terms for women who obtain banned abortions is the
- >antithesis of the pro-choice movement.
-
- Supporting the jail terms, rather than criminalizing abortion in the
- first place?
-
- >imo, your demand
-
- Demand? Attempt, perhaps.
-
- >to criminalize a medical procedure places an undue
- >psychological burden on those women who must obtain
- >the procedure by forcing them to justify why their
- >abortion should not be viewed as murder and ultimately
- >requiring women to literally plead for their lives.
-
- I've recently made it clear that I support requiring medical approval,
- not judicial approval....
-
- I know you can't have seen my exact proposal, because I've recently
- finished working it out and haven't posted it yet.
-
- >Legislating fetal rights will cause further restrictions
- >to women in the work place and reduce the opportunity
- >for equality.
-
- Wow! All this from legislation concerning a hundred cases yearly
- nationwide.
-
- >Pregnant women have already been victimized
- >by court ordered invasive treatments to "protect" the
- >fetus. You my dear are trying to use a sledge
- >hammer to swat at flies
-
- Remember, Linda, I consider third-term fetuses possible people.
- Allowing them to be killed at will is hardly a "fly" even if it *were*
- the lesser evil.
-
- >and in the process this will
- >create additional disadvantages for women.
-
- See above comment wrt "Wow".
-
- >>Furthermore, as I made very clear in the post where I announced the
- >>killfiling, I feel a need to defend myself against such charges when I
- >>see them being made, and defending myself against your hero's repeated
- >>attacks was getting tiresome, taking up too much of my time, and
- >>forcing me to engage in more flaming than I cared to at the moment.
-
- >Perhaps instead of flaming you should have tried to
- >discuss the issue.
-
- I did.
-
- >Oh btw Elizabeth dear, the only heros I have are women.
-
- Interesting. You would know, of course, but that seems the most
- appropriate word to describe your behavior wrt him.... I shall have
- to find a better term, then.
-
- >wrt Mr. Keegan I just happen to agree with his position
- >on abortion and feel that the repeated accusations of
- >harassment are rather lame attempts at avoiding the
- >issue of why there is no need for legislation.
-
- Oh, Linda, dear.... I don't recall making accusations of harassment.
- I suppose I've probably agreed with the charge somewhere, but I
- haven't bothered to raise them; by now knowing that people are flaming
- me doesn't bother me. In fact, by now seeing the flaming doesn't
- bother me; I'm too amused at the flamethrowers set on "automatic".
-
- --
- - E. Elizabeth Bartley, a distant Shadow of
-
- Llarana of Amber, possessor of ten points of Good Stuff
-