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- From: dsh@odin.uucp (Doug Holtsinger)
- Subject: Larry Margolis calls the Alan Guttmacher Institute a pack of liars
- Message-ID: <1992Nov7.214955.15076@ncsu.edu>
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- Organization: North Carolina State University
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- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:49:55 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov06.212456.123893@watson.ibm.com>
- margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
-
- >hatcher@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU writes:
-
- >> Now I have to ask the critical question before we go wild here talking
- >> about whether it is "right" to allow the broad definition of health
- >> (Doug seemed to be implying that allowing exemptions for pyschological
- >> health was somehow a "bad" thing):
-
- > Doug is trying
- > to get people to believe that this means that a woman in her ninth
- > month could be bummed out because of a bad hair day and decide to
- > get an abortion, and this would be allowed under the same exception.
-
- I never said anything like this. I've told you before that I've
- never made this argument. For the last time, STOP assigning this
- argument to me.
-
- >> Could someone please cite some statistics on the frequency and/or
- >> absolute number of cases where a post-viable abortion is granted
- >> for (1) any reason (2) reasons outside strict physical health?
-
- > There's about 100 third-trimester abortions performed *per year* in
- > the US, and these are *only* done for serious health reasons.
-
- There are several thousand abortions performed per year past
- the 21st week of pregnancy. Viability starts around the
- 22nd to 23rd week of pregnancy. Many of these children are
- killed because they're handicapped or because they're mentally
- retarded.
-
- > Only three or four doctors perform late-stage abortions,
- > said Patricia Anderson with the National Abortion Federation.
-
- The National Abortion Federation is a coalition of abortion
- providers.
-
- > "There are a handful of third-trimester abortions that are
- > done in instances of serious fetal anomalies or in the case
- > of a pregnancy threatening a woman's life. And only under
- > those conditions," she said.
-
- What's your definition of third trimester? 24 weeks? That's a little
- past the point of viability.
-
- >> If there aren't any (or many) cases then PLEASE let's not have some
- >> great big debate.
-
- > There's no "great big debate"; Doug knows what the truth is, but he
- > still tries to scare people with his lies.
-
- I've quoted from the same source which you've used above -- the
- Alan Guttmacher Institute. Here's what they have to say about
- Roe and Doe:
-
- "Summary and Analysis of State Laws Relating to Abortion",
- Barbara Kaiser, Harriet F. Pilpel, and Eve W. Paul,
- in Family Planning, Contraception, Voluntary Sterilization
- and Abortion: An Analysis of Laws and Policies in the United
- States, Each State and Jurisdiction.
-
- A Report of the Office for Family Planning
- Health Services Administration
- U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare
- 1978
-
- Prepared by the Alan Guttmacher Institute
-
- "The landmark events in establishing the basic law governing abortion
- in the United States were the January 1973 decisions of the United
- States Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade[1] and Doe v. Bolton[2]. [...]
-
- The Roe and Doe decisions have these results: [...]
-
- (3) After the fetus is viable, a State may regulate in its interest,
- even to the extent of prohibiting abortion unless to save the life
- or health (including the mental health) of the woman. [...]
-
- Roe and Doe held the right to abortion to be a fundamental right,
- but the decisions also involved the medical profession in the
- decision-making process. A corollary is that a woman's decision
- to exercise her rights is in part dependent on the availability
- of health institutions and professionals willing to perform
- abortions."
-
-
- I guess this means you think the Alan Guttmacher Institute is a pack
- of liars.
-
-
- >Larry Margolis
-
-
- Doug Holtsinger
-
-