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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Duality of wave/particle, human/divine [Was:... or chavinism?]
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- Date: 3 Nov 92 17:08:45 GMT
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- In <Bwy9A4.Kt3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu () writes:
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- >nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
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- >>For some reason the distribution line was missing, and I've restored it.
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- >>In <1c461gINNf17@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> morgan@sitka.triumf.ca (Morgan Burke) writes:
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- >>>In article <nyikos.719271158@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>>|> In <fTRK9T2@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
- >>>|> >And it
- >>>|> >remains for someone to explain the Christian dilema as the question of
- >>>|> >the dual nature of light has been already explained by science.
- >>>|> ^^^^^^^^^
- >>>|> Really? where?
- >>>[stuff deleted]
- >>>|> please tell me where
- >>>|> this earth-shattering explanation is to be found, and who the Nobel
- >>>|> Prize winner is who first provided it.
- >>>|>
- >>>|> Peter Nyikos
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- >>>Nobel Prizes awarded for studies into the wave-particle duality of matter:
- >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- >>Kind of misses the point, doesn't it? Sort of like talking about
- >>religious notables who wrote long studies into the human-divine duality
- >>of Jesus, which Paul Harvey [whose world-view is worlds apart from that
- >>of _the_ Paul Harvey] was UNFAVORABLY comparing to the alleged
- >>EXPLANATION of the wave-particle duality of matter.
-
- >>> 1914 Max Von Laue Rontgen ray diffration
- >>> 1929 Louis-Victor de Broglie wave nature of the electron
- >>> 1930 Chandrasekhara Raman scattering of light
- >>> 1932 Werner Heisenberg quantum mechanics
- >>> 1937 Davisson & Thompson electron diffration
-
- >[Trivia deleted]
-
- >No it's not "sort of like talking about ... studies into the human-divine
- >duality of Jesus". When one says "studies into" in a scientific context,
- >one means *scientific* studies
-
- There are also historical studies, textual studies, linguistic studies,
- and (if you can bear to say it) biblical studies. And why are you only
- speaking of a scientific context?
-
- > (which include things like controlled
- >experiments, physical evidence, extensive testing of a hypothesis to form
- >it into a theory, extensive testing of a theory in an attempt to disprove it
- >(which is more exciting than proving it true), and other such intensive
- >activities). They do not give out Nobel prizes trivially. You do not get
- >a Nobel prize for doing "some work" on a topic. You get the Nobel prize
- >years after the fact, when other researchers have demonstrated that you were
- >indeed right on the money with your theory (if you're still alive--the Nobel
- >prize is not given post-humously).
-
- All fine and dandy, but it still falls short of explanation. And I see
- no indication above that any of these notables got the Nobel Prize for
- explaining, or even attempting to explain, the dual nature.
-
- >Tell me how these "biblical scholars" do their "studies" with such evidence
- >that could be shared by everyone. There are no controlled experiments. There
- >is no physical evidence. There isn't much of anything that you can *show*
- >someone else (assuming you could afford the equipment) to "prove" to them
- >without an effort to *feel* it themselves.
-
- You are confusing ontology with epistemology. Biblical scholars have a
- coherent *theory* of the dual nature of the human/divine in Jesus,
- which could well be as deeply researched as anything above. That they cannot
- *prove* it, in the absence of an agreement that the bible is inerrant
- about fundamentals of the Christian faith, is beside the point.
-
- >Do NOT try to compare religion to physical sciences.
-
- They are very different, granted. Even theology is very different from
- the physical sciences. But then, so is history. Do you subscribe to
- the saying that history is bunk?
-
- Peter Nyikos
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