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- From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,soc.men,alt.dads-rights
- Subject: Re: Let's Play StipU (1)
- Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:08:08 -0800
- Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
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- In article <BxAr7L.201@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >In article <1dbgs0INN5gh@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >>>>>So you are saying there have been no cases where a judge has told a man
- >>>>>to pay childbirth expenses, when the man is not married to the woman?
- >>>>Scuse me, please, but Don I think I indicated before that I was neither
- >>>>blind nor stupid. Of course there have been a few occasions where a judge
- >>>>told a man he had to pay expenses. Is that the GENERAL CASE? No. Were
- >>>>those orders limited to SPECIFIC situations? Yes.
- >>>I'm trying to learn from your debating style.
- >>Oh, this should be fun. Let me return the favor.
- >>>So, in other words, these judges were ignorant of the law and
- >>>made mistakes? Or they intentionally went beyond the bounds of law?
- >>"So you are saying that no judge has ever disagreed with another judge,
- >>and that no ruling of one court has been overturned by any other court?"
- >
- >Your claim +seems+ to be:
-
- Ah, paraphrasing again. Is that really a *good* appoach to investigating an
- issue, or merely for setting up a straw man to knock down?
-
- >. Some judges think the law says they can order an unmarried man
- > to pay pregnancy/childbirth expenses;
- >. the law is otherwise;
- >. so other judges would disagree or overturn these "few occasions."
- >. Therefore unmarried men are not liable for any costs other than
- > child support.
-
- My claim *is* that, as a general rule, the states that make up the United
- States GENERALLY follow a philosophy outlined in (I can never remember the
- real name but it's something like) the Family Services Act, which is a
- federal guideline that covers such thing as child support obligations.
- While *some* states depart from this, MOST of the states support MOST of
- the stipulations in the Act.
-
- My claim is also that, as a general rule, judges would NORMALLY not
- require an unmarried man to asusme pregnancy/birth expenses, unless there
- were factors within the relationship that were presented to the court and
- were compelling enough for a judge to decide to do so.
-
- Judges get that kind of latitude. It's part of being a judge.
-
- But as a *general* rule, they do not do this. Because as a *general* rule,
- there is no presupposition within the relationship that the man should for
- some reason shoulder these costs.
-
- Now, do you disagree as to what the GENERAL RULE is, or not?
-
- Adrienne Regard
-
-