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- From: jechilde@unccsun.uncc.edu (Jr Childers)
- Subject: Re: Lunar "colony" reality check
- Message-ID: <BxMoH9.JtA@unccsun.uncc.edu>
- Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
- References: <1992Nov11.143433.18514@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> <1drh9aINN91n@gap.caltech.edu> <BxKJ3t.Dux@acsu.buffalo.edu>
- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:10:20 GMT
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- In article <BxKJ3t.Dux@acsu.buffalo.edu> v071pzp4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Craig L. Cole) writes:
- >In article <1drh9aINN91n@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes...
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- >>In article <1992Nov11.143433.18514@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, jboggs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs) writes:
- >>=From article <1992Nov11.005151.15358@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov>, by jenkins@fritz (Steve Jenkins):
- >>=>
- >>=> Oxygen, like many gases, has narcotic effects at very high pressures,
- >>=> such as in deep-sea diving. It can cause blindness in newborns
- >>=>
- >>=
- >>=Yes to blindness in newborns, but it is the *nitrogen* that has the narcotic
- >>=effect in deep sea diving -- hence the use of helium for the really really
- >>=deep dives.
- >>
- >>If oxygen at high pressures DIDN'T cause the bad effects, why bother mixing it
- >>with helium? Yes, nitrogen has narcotic effects at high pressure, but so does
- >>oxygen.
-
- I am a diver but, I've never used helium underwater. Well has anyone here
- been up over 100km? :-) What you are refering to is mixed gas diving,
- which is mostly (only) used by professionals.
-
- In mixed gas systems the O2 pressure is keep at 0.2atm to maybe 0.5atm.
- The rest of the pressure is madeup with helium and some times N2 at 0.8atm.
- Note that the O2 level is above normal for a very good reason. When
- assending the gases expand and their pressures drop. Going from 100ft (30m)
- to the surface is a drop of 4atm and professionals don't like blackouts. :-)
- >
- >I'm no expert at deep sea diving or anything, but don't they use the helium
- >to increase to total atmospheric pressure in their submerisibles? So that
- >the pressure inside and outside the craft are more equal?
-
- Submerisibles are keep at 1 atm to avoid any need for decompression or
- mixed gases, unless of coures a diver is going to leave the sub at depth.
-
- >This is the opposite of space -- these guys are trying keep there craft
- >from imploding due to pressure. Increasing the pressure inside the craft
- >reduces the loads on the craft's strucutre.
-
- Adding pressure increases the sub's operating depth by only
- 10m/atm (33ft/atm) and 10m is not a real improvement when
- when the sub is built to operate 1km to 10km down.
-
-
-
- Is anyone else amazed at how little most people know about the air they
- need to survive.
-
-
- John Childers | We're sorry,
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