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- From: leet@ims.com (Lee Thomas)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Efficacy of Prayer
- Message-ID: <LEET.92Nov12172440@dove.ims.com>
- Date: 13 Nov 92 01:24:40 GMT
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- In-Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU's message of 10 Nov 1992 06: 31:30 GMT
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- >>>>> On 10 Nov 1992 06:31:30 GMT, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) said:
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- Carl> John, don't you realize that most of the schisms in the various
- Carl> Christian churches have been over arguments as to who was
- Carl> "following the teachings of Jesus Christ"? So I ask again, John,
- Carl> in hopes that just once one of you Bible-thumpers might answer:
- Carl> WHO DECIDES WHETHER SOMEONE IS "FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS
- Carl> CHRIST"? You? Lee Thomas? The Pope? A Jehovah's Witness? I
- Carl> rather doubt that the four of you could reach any substantial
- Carl> agreement. So John, please: GIVE US AN OPERATIONAL DEFINITION
- Carl> OF CHRISTIANITY OR TAKE THE THREAD TO A NEWSGROUP THAT DOESN'T
- Carl> CARE ABOUT WHETHER WHATEVER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAS ANY
- Carl> CONCRETE REFERENTS.
-
- Although I'm reluctant to respond to someone apoplectic enough to get
- their caps-lock stuck on, I'll give it a try anyway (in an attempt to
- occupy until He comes again). Operationally, a Christian is one who
- would not deny Christ as Savior and Lord even under the threat of
- death (I could tie in the 2nd Amendment discussion here, but won't).
- Almost any one of the early creedal statements of the Church ("I
- believe in one God, ...") should be adequate as a litmus test for
- orthodoxy, when coupled with the threat of capital punishment.
-
- As to officially separating the Christians from the non-Christians,
- that won't happen during our lifetimes - so to speak. Sorry, Carl.
-
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