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- From: avi@hawk.imagen.com
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: What did Judas betray?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov10.215117.25862@imagen.com>
- Date: 10 Nov 92 21:51:17 GMT
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- >>> >2) The talmud is a MUCH more reliable source because despite the many years and
- >>> > hardships, there is ONLY 1 version of it (the Jersualem/Babelonyan being
- >>> > complementary). The New Testament however, has 4 different and often
- >>> > contradictory versions (the 4 gospels) of the same story of Jesus' life and
- >>> > death.
- >>>
- >>> Can we stop this "My book is better than your book" argument?
- >>
- >>Why? Because he's pointed out that your books (plural) all contradict each
- >>other?
-
- >No, because it doesn't add anything useful to the discussion.
-
- Well, actually it does. The original question was, why should one consider
- the Talmud a more reliable source than the New Testament. If you have a
- choice between two sources, one that COMMONLY contradicts itself, is written
- by mostly people who NEITHER knew Jesus personally NOR lived in his time
- (i.e. 3 out 4 gosples excluding John), was promoted by VIOLENT means and shoved
- down people's throats (i.e. cusaders, spanish inquisition, etc.) and were
- often rewritten to accomodate the "current" era - and between one who throughout
- THOUSANDS of years did NOT change, although the people of this source went through
- untold miseries and suffering incluing the Burning of the Talmud (France 1423)
- mostly inflicted by the Christian (Catholic) side - and yet NEVER changed and
- remained the same throughout time, I'd side with the latter as being more
- reliable !!! Mot to mention that objective (i.e. non-jewish and non-christian
- sources) like Josephus Phlavius, a contemporary Historian (of that era) who
- commented extensively on this era, and if you compare his notes, and impressions
- you'd see he sides with the Talmud's sources much more so.
-
- Another point is that death by Sanhedrin (according to that Mosaic Law) can ONLY
- be brought about by ONLY 1 of 4 permissible means: Sword, Strangling, etc. ("Herev, Chenek", etc)
-
- Every sin punishable by death has a specific MEANS of execution that is to
- be used ONLY for this sin. Crucification is NOT one of those 4 , and you
- can NOT substitute one for the other. So, if the Sanhedrin was involved in
- executing Jesus, including handing him over to be executed by the Romans
- via crucification, they would have broken the very law they were trying to protect by supposedly executing him !!!
-