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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Efficacy of Prayer
- Date: 9 Nov 1992 00:42:11 GMT
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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Efficacy of Prayer
- Date: 9 Nov 1992 00:39:43 GMT
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- In article <1dkageINNgss@gap.caltech.edu>, kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney) writes:
- >(By the way, my own experience has been that Christianity is used to mean
- >that which all Christians believe, and not what individual Christians
- >believe. "Custom and usage" must have been different in my neck of the
- >woods than it was in yours.)
-
- Er, aren't you getting a bit circular here. Near as I can tell, your
- definitions are now:
- Christian: Someone who subscribes to Christianity
- Christianity: What Christians believe
- Also, I've been arguing that Christianity is what the Christian Churches have
- said it was. If you belong to a Christian church then you are, by definition,
- and according to hundreds of years of custom and usage, a Christian. And
- finally, I strongly suspect that if we tried to use your definition and took
- the intersection of all beliefs held by all Christians, we'd end up with the
- null set.
-
- >P.S. We've lost track of the original argument, i.e. whether or not
- >Christianity can be judged on the basis of its followers' actions.
- >I think that one deserves more thought. Let's get back to it.
-
- If it can't be judged based on that, then on what can it possibly be judged?
- How can it possibly be distinguished from a philosophy that simply says
- "Everybody should be happy"?
-
- What I'm saying is that you need to use an OPERATIONAL definition of
- Christianity, not some bogus mystical definition that is unlikely to mean the
- same thing to any two different people.
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- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
-
- Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My
- understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So
- unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
- organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
- hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
-