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- From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Religion & Physics Don't Mix
- Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:53:20 GMT
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- In article <Nov.9.19.53.57.1992.11917@ruhets.rutgers.edu> bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes:
- >sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner) writes:
- >> I doubt I've ever thumped a Bible, and I can't imagine a reason for
- >>thumping a bible
-
- I thumped a bible just the other day; it was in a box in my
- garage, on top of some other random junk I was sorting
- through, and I was just trying to scare any scorpions that
- might have been hiding under it.
-
- >Of course, this quotation isn't from the Bible; it's from "The
- >Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy." One wonders if this is where
- >Kochanowsky, Houghton, et al. get all their information about
- >religion
-
- A book is no place from which to get one's spirituality.
-
- >Since they seem unable to imagine the existence of any
- >kind of humane, tolerant religion
-
- Some of us prefer regarding the evidence to revering the
- scripture.
-
- >in which doubt is regarded as an
- >adjunct of faith,
-
- Then I am utterly guilty of worshipping science; for I am
- an inveterate empiricist.
-
- >and unable to get their minds around the idea that
- >one can hold in one's head both science and religion (go read Pais's
- >life of Einstein, OK?),
-
- I've read Whitman's (or was it Frost's) descriptions of the
- facets of the process of maturation in which one grows by
- learning to consider ideas from a multitude of sides
- without becoming unglued. (This is not the same thing as
- tolerating fools, Corky.) Einstein's beliefs seem
- strangely sociological, as though he were afraid that being
- both physically and spiritually revolutionary at the same
- time would be too much for his society, or at least very
- impolitic at a time when his stature was needed as much as
- his theories. He joins with many here who think, "I want
- it to exist; I try to prove it exists; I cannot prove it
- doesn't exist; *therefore it can exist; therefore it
- exists as much as I want." In the end the only reality is
- that God existed for Einstein to suit his needs for a God.
- God does not exist for me and I have no need for a god.
-
- [*] There is a fallacy in crossing this point.
-
- >and bent on filling up space with their intolerance
-
- I defy you to prove my intolerance. (I might as well try
- this cheap argumentative trick once or twice in my life...)
-
- >disguised as liberal atheism (don't try to out-liberal me,
- >Houghton ;-),
-
- ;-> right back. I entered this net through talk.politics.misc,
- in the early days of the Dukakis campaign, defending the
- swarthy, little person from the likes of Ted Kaldis and
- Al Thompson. I could out-liberal you without raising a
- tax.
-
- And, my atheism is entirely independent of my politics
- (which at the moment are scattered across the board, since
- I'm still compassionate to a fault and the world is in a
- world of hurt, but now I've got a lucrative job and a
- serious portfolio and some beautiful real estate to
- protect; if you think this God v. Science thing is
- important, try arguing Justice v. Economy with yourself
- in the middle of the night...)
-
- >I figure the best thing is to ignore them. Just like
- >I ignore street preachers.
-
- The worst thing is to ignore anyone, if you have nothing
- better to do. The best thing about street preachers is
- their foundation is narrow so they're easy to tip over.
- Tripping them up impresses intelligent women, too ;-).
-
- --Blair
- "Anyone need a description of
- the morals of atomic decay?"
-