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- From: baez@ucrmath.ucr.edu (john baez)
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- Subject: Re: What's a manifold?
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- Date: 8 Nov 92 23:09:37 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov7.022034.26120@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov5.174751.2086@galois.mit.edu> tycchow@riesz.mit.edu (Timothy Y. Chow) writes:
- >>In fact, I think that despite appearances your retract definition of
- >>manifold actually contains topological axioms implicitly. Don't you
- >>really want to say that a manifold is something *homeomorphic* to a
- >>smooth retract of an open subset of R^n?
- >
- >(Homeomorphic is for topological spaces, did you mean diffeomorphic?)
- >What does "something diffeomorphic to" mean? Some *what* thing? How
- >is diffeomorphism defined for objects not yet already covered under my
- >definition of manifold?
- >
- >I'm still contemplating the issue of noncanonicality of the retract
- >(tubular neighborhood) definition. Opinions are running strongly
- >against. None of the arguments have been "knock-down" arguments for
- >me, but all the same I'm starting to get the picture.
-
- I think that in the long run one of the better ways to treat this issue is
- via ringed spaces. This is not for the person just starting to learn about
- manifolds, but for the person who knows about topological manifolds, smooth
- manifolds, piecewise linear manifolds, complex manifolds, almost complex
- manifolds, algebraic varieties, and so on. All these kinds of spaces can
- be regarded as "spaces with structure" in the following way: they are
- all equipped with a sheaf of rings, namely the sheaf of "nice" functions
- appropriate to the sort of space at hand: continuous, smooth, piecewise linear,
- holomorphic, almost holomorphic [that's what they *should* call but I don't
- think they do], and algebraic functions, respectively.
-
- So we may define a topological manifold as a (locally compact Hausdorff)
- space such that each point has a neighborhood such that the sheaf of
- continuous real-valued functions on that neighborhood is isomorphic to
- the sheaf of continuous real-valued functions on R^n. We may define a
- smooth manifold as a topological manifold with a dense subsheaf of its
- sheaf of continuous functions -- which we call the sheaf of "smooth"
- functions -- such that each point has a neighborhood such that the sheaf
- of smooth functions on that neighborhood is isomorphic to the sheaf
- of smooth functions on R^n. And so on for the other types of spaces.
-
- This is, of course, how algebraic geometers do it these days. You can
- learn about ringed spaces and much more in the chapter on "schemes" in
- Hartshorne's Algebraic Geometry. (Algebraic geometers have lots of sneaky
- schemes. A "scheme" is a specially nice sort of ringed space.)
-
- Note that this avoids the use of atlases, although it is equivalent to
- the atlas approach, or even that irritating tubular neighborhood approach
- in some cases! (Now try to to show that every algebraic variety is
- the retract of a tubular neighborhood in C^n!)
-
-