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- From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
- Subject: Re: Campfire and plasma musings
- In-Reply-To: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu's message of 7 Nov 92 19:26:07 GMT
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- Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
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- Date: 8 Nov 92 17:36:59
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- In article <baz> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
- In article <bar> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
- >In article <foo>, slovick@Apple.COM (Linda Slovick) writes...
- >>2.) Is a flame a plasma?
- >Yes.
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- Anyone know HOW ionized a campfire flame is?
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- Not very. If you assume that the ionization potential of a typical
- air molecule is ~10V, (Nitrogen's is 14V, according to my handy CRC),
- you'd need to get ~10eV/particle of thermal energy to ionize most of
- the gas. The temperature is just 10eV/Kb, or 110,000K (210,000F).
- This is about a factor of 20 times hotter than a typical campfire
- flame!
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- Campfire flames glow because they're hot enough (~3,000K) to give off orange
- light by blackbody radiation, not because their charges are re-associating.
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- The best/most common places to see plasmas on the Earth are (a) fluorescent
- lights, including most city street lights, and (b) spark discharges
- (lightning, spark plugs in cars, etc.).
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- Craig DeForest -- astrophysicist for hire. DoD#314159; PhD#271828
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