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- From: ramsay@unixg.ubc.ca (Keith Ramsay)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics,talk.religion.misc
- Subject: Re: Religion & Physics Don't Mix
- Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
- Date: 8 Nov 1992 01:40:53 GMT
- Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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- References: <1992Nov6.145757.26607@aee.aee.com> <BxBpHs.DtF@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> <1992Nov7.212535.312@aee.aee.com>
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- In article <1992Nov6.145757.26607@aee.aee.com>, gene@aee.aee.com
- (Gene Kochanowsky) writes:
- | Faith is the unquestioning acceptance of beliefs. This is important,
- | if you question the beliefs, then you do not have faith. Ask any priest,
- | minister, mullah, rabbi, shaman, witch doctor you come across. If you wish
- | to become a "__________" (fill in the blank), then you must accept fully
- | the "_________" (fill in the blank) of "__________" (fill in the blank).
-
- Not so- I was for many years a member of a Christian church, and it
- was not generally taught that belief should be unquestioning. There
- are those who believe that it should be, but in our congregation the
- contrary was periodically asserted from the pulpit: you *can* question
- your faith. In fact, it was sometimes recommended.
-
- sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner) writes:
- | This is complete nonsense. There may be religious leaders who
- |demand unquestioning acceptance of belief, but I've certainly never met one.
- |
- |As a matter of interest, how many have you actually asked?
-
- I also ask this question of Mr. Kochanowsky: have you, indeed, asked
- priests, ministers, mullahs, rabbis, shamans, or witch doctors what
- they think? How many? Have you investigated Buddhism, for example?
-
- There have also been many religions where it is *action* that counts
- primarily, rather than belief.
-
- In article <1992Nov7.212535.312@aee.aee.com>
- gene@aee.aee.com (Gene Kochanowsky) writes:
- > What planet do you come from? It is not Earth.
-
- You are being unnecessarily rude, and you make your lines too long for
- my CRT.
-
- >There can be no religion without faith. With no faith, the
- >congregation becomes a social club of like thinking people. If you do
- >not accept the common understanding of the word, look it up in the
- >dictionary.
- >
- > Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary -faith
- > 1. a: allegiance or duty to a person: LOYALTY b:
- > fidelity to one's promises
-
- We can stop here. Religion is typically a matter of *commitment*-- but
- not necessarily to *belief*, possible instead a given practice. The
- word "faith" is often used, it is true, to mean other things.
-
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- "In no way, shape or form did Kevin represent
- Keith Ramsay a viable alternative to mental illness."
- ramsay@unixg.ubc.ca -Phillip K. Dick, _VALIS_
-