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- From: parson_r@cubldr.colorado.edu (Robert Parson)
- Subject: Re: Solid-state doesn't use QED! (Was Re: Particle Research)
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- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:13:05 GMT
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- In article <BxA2GC.6yE@wsrcc.com>, alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken) writes:
- >
- > You're wrong. As far as the theory of the electron goes, QED has had
- > no impact on solid-state physics whatsoever.
-
- One counterexample (not "solid state", but certainly condensed matter):
- at large distances the interaction potential between neutral molecules is
- proportional to r**(-7) (Casimir-Polder potential) rather than r**(-6)
- (the usual London dispersion potential). This is a radiative correction;
- it can be understood physically by invoking retardation but a quantitative
- calculation requires QED (nonrelativistic QED suffices). Casimir's work
- on this was inspired by anomalous results concerning the stability of
- certain colloids. I do not know whether the Casimir-Polder force
- does in fact explain those colloid experiments (according to a ~1960
- review by Hirschfelder they do.)
- What about polaritons? Much of their behavior can be understood physically
- in terms of purely classical electrodynamics, but a complete quantum-mechanical
- calculation would have to treat the radiation field quantum-mechanically (long
- ago I read a paper by Hopfield that does just that. This is way outside my
- field, though.)
-
- >
- > Having said all that, the theories of broken symmetry and elementary
- > excitations (Goldstone bosons) in solid-state physics have been heavily
- > influenced by particle theories. Here solid-state is using the
- > _concepts_ of field theory, not the results! My understanding is that
- > particle theories have been in turn influenced by solid-state theories
- > (e.g., non-perturbative field theories are greatly influenced by the
- > BCS theory of superconductivity).
- > --
- Which is why some condensed-matter physics books talk about the "Anderson-
- Higgs mechanism."
-
- Robert
-