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- From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
- Subject: Re: No big crunch?
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- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 18:53:32 GMT
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- In article <6NOV199211570602@csa1.lbl.gov> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov5.212050.25373@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes...
-
- >> However, getting back on track it is silly to say that a theory that in
- >> some sense avoids internal inconsistency has passed some sort of
- >> valid scientific 'test'. It's like patting oneself on the back
- >> for not having assumed ii equals 3 and ii equals 5 at the same
- >> time.
- >
- >.... However, I assure you
- >that it really works that way in particle physics. Internally consistent
- >theories come much more easily in classical physics than in quantum field
- >theory. Over the fifty-odd years of particle physics history, internal
- >consistency has repeatedly been a useful way of discovering new physics.
-
- Let me strengthen Scott's point in a rather backhanded way. Saying that
- "Internally consistent theories come much more easily in classical
- physics than in quantum field theory" is an understatement. In fact, as
- I never tire of repeating, none of the quantum field theories that are
- used by physicists to do practical calculations have been shown to be
- consistent - despite huge amounts of work by very good physicists and
- mathematicians. So in practice one doesn't even seek (demonstrable)
- consistency; one simply seeks to avoid the KNOWN causes of (seeming)
- inconsistency - this is quite hard enough!
-
- The other curious thing is that nonrenormalizability and anomalies -- two
- things one tries mightily to avoid - have never been shown to lead to
- inconsistency in a quantum field theory; they merely indicate the
- failure of a certain perturbative method for doing calculations with the
- field theory - a perturbative method with rather shaky foundations to
- begin with! Of course, the word "merely" above is tongue-in-cheek,
- spoken like an ivory-tower mathematical physicist. Since all we have of
- these quantum field theories is "a certain perturbative method for doing
- calculations, with rather shaky foundations," anomalies or
- nonrenormalizability are utterly crippling at the present time. One can
- imagine a future in which nonlinear analysis is much more sophisticated
- than it is now, in which one could prove the consistency of interacting
- quantum field theories, perhaps even some that are nonrenormalizable or
- have anomalies... at this point, we can only guess.
-