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- From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Religion & Physics Don't Mix
- Message-ID: <Nov.6.19.11.46.1992.3783@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 7 Nov 92 00:11:47 GMT
- References: <1dbo90INNt4k@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> <1992Nov06.003459.120859@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1dchkqINNt4k@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> <1ded61INNin6@chnews.intel.com>
- Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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- bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
- >Science, when presented properly, admits its faults to examination
- >and discovery; it makes claims only about the logical deductions
- >calculated and the experiments conducted, and those claims are
- >only that the results are as they appear.
-
- Yeah but how often does this really happen. Every week my group has
- a session in which a paper from a peer-reviewed journal is presented
- and half the time the faculty wind up complaining about what a
- slipshod paper it is.
-
- >Scientific numbers come with error-bars and descriptions of
- >the method by which they were collected, in order to
- >document the methodology for further study and refinement.
-
- If you believe the error bars people publish I have a chi-squared
- I'd like to sell you.
-
- >Theories come with descriptions of the paradigms in which
- >they were deduced, allowing examination of the gaps and
- >false bridges in the knowledge they convey.
-
- Wa-hoo. Does this really happen? Is there anybody out there
- who realistically presents the good points and carefully
- explains the bad points of his/her pet theory? If there is,
- tell them from me they better start to get with the program
- if they want tenure.
-
- >In contrast, religion strives to hide its fundamental faults
- >behind paradoxical aphorisms about faith and sin.
-
- I've tried to keep my big mouth shut but I can't any longer.
- Your view of science as The Ultimate Self-Correcting, Fundamentally
- Truth-Approximating (tm) process does not describe well what I see
- goin' on. One might say your view is not experimentally verified :-)
-
- The practice of science includes elements of exaggeration, personal
- grandstanding, appeals to higher authority, and instinctive behavior.
- I don't think one can separate the practice from the ideal, either.
- Science is definitely different from religion but there is no point
- in bashing religion over this. All it does is alienate people who
- value their religious beliefs. Not only is this insulting, it's
- also foolish - why get people any madder at scientists?
-