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- From: frenkel@stcst1.mrl.uiuc.edu (David Frenkel)
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- Subject: Re: Solid-state doesn't use QED! (Was Re: Particle Research)
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- Date: 6 Nov 92 15:56:32 GMT
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- In article <BxA2GC.6yE@wsrcc.com> alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken) writes:
- >music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes:
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- >As far as the theory of the electron goes, QED has had
- >no impact on solid-state physics whatsoever.
- >Solid-state physics doesn't really even use the full Dirac equation,
- >except that we are interested in the magnetic moment of the electron,
- >which the equation explains qualitatively.
-
- Dirac equation has been used in band structure calculations
- of heavier elements. It is true, however, that most of
- Solid State physics can be done without it.
-
- >Having said all that, the theories of broken symmetry and elementary
- >excitations (Goldstone bosons) in solid-state physics have been heavily
- >influenced by particle theories. Here solid-state is using the
- >_concepts_ of field theory, not the results!
-
- Solid State physics uses _techniques_ originally developed
- for QED all the time.
- Feynman diagrams are a standard tool used in everyday work.
- Path integrals, also developed by Feynman for QED, have been
- used in a number of areas of solid state physics.
- And do not forget the renormalization group theory of phase
- transitions -- its origins are as much in field theory as they
- are outside of it.
- I really would not underestimate the impact of field theory on
- condensed matter.
- I will go as far as saying that solid state physics would have been
- much less today without those techniques -- it is a perfect
- illustration of the need support many kinds of basic research,
- not just the ones that `look useful'.
-
- >My understanding is that
- >particle theories have been in turn influenced by solid-state theories
- >(e.g., non-perturbative field theories are greatly influenced by the
- >BCS theory of superconductivity).
-
- True enough.
-
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- David Frenkel | e-mail: frenkel@stcst1.mrl.uiuc.edu
- Department of Physics, |
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